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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4215 on: September 08, 2019, 08:38:14 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4216 on: September 08, 2019, 11:44:29 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.

if you say so..... ;)
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4217 on: September 09, 2019, 02:37:04 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.

if you say so..... ;)

Well, it could be the turkey neck is in the eye of the beholder, but here's another good one...

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4218 on: September 09, 2019, 02:48:34 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.

if you say so..... ;)

Well, it could be the turkey neck is in the eye of the beholder, but here's another good one...

So far no FBI doc illustrates or describes the turkey neck claimed. Without that it might as well be a 'turkey butt'. Nobody alive today including GG has the faintest idea what 'turkey neck' meant in concrete terms. What we do have is the original descriptions/sketches which define a cranial-facial type with eye color etc That is all we have. Mucklow and Schaffner gave conflicting impressions and descriptions. It's obvious the FBI wanted an accurate physical description - they even asked the cockpit crew who were forced to say 'we never saw the guy'. What the FBI apparently did not do, or could not do, was resolve conflicts like Schafner's 'Latin' impression. The end result is a confusing series of reports from different people. Turkey neck could be important, or not!     

The system defeats the system!

The Cooper case occurred in 1971 at a time when forensics was in flux and evolving into a very powerful set of tools vs. older established investigative methods. Competence in forensic science varied in different offices. When people make decisions about what to illustrate or not to include in a description, it could have consequences. The decision not to include 'turkey neck' in the original illustrations may have had consequences in this case.     

 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4219 on: September 16, 2019, 05:44:40 PM »
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Nat Loufoque is credited as the author of this book that theorizes E. Howard Hunt was the hijacker. I really enjoyed the book, and I'd like to speak to the author. However, the book appears self published and the only thing I can find with Nat Loufoque attached to it is a YouTube video promoting the book. From the about the author page "Mr Loufoque lives in the Shenandoah Valley, where he works in the IT industry. He does not believe in Bigfoot". The book is well researched and even cites work from Tom Colbert, Geoffrey Gray, and Bruce Smith.

Has anyone here talked to Mr. Loufoque? Read the book?

(Edit: I got an email address!)

Hunt was 5'8-9". No turkey neck. No parachute experience. Very distinct jaw line with jowls. . . .

Georger, I also read Loufoque's book. According to him Hunt got parachuting experience in the OSS, and Hunt's CIA personnel file shows him to be 5' 9 1/2 without shoes, 5' 10 1/2 in shoes. As for the sagging chin and turkey neck, this photo from the same time as the one you posted shows it more clearly.

if you say so..... ;)

Well, it could be the turkey neck is in the eye of the beholder, but here's another good one...
Honestly, I'd have to read the book, but apart from physical description (yawn- pick a Cooper, any Cooper, even the woman and you'll be able to match them up with one or another conflicting witness description), why would the author light on E. Howard Hunt? Hunt was heavily involved, post-CIA, in doing dirty tricks for the Nixon admin. One burglary (with him and G. Gordon Liddy) took place in September 1971, the same month Hunt forged papers and presented them to Life mag indicating Johnson involvement in a Vietnam assassination. He was heavily involved in many activities around that period, so the idea of him suddenly hijacking a plane for money when he had political muscle behind the covert activities that were keeping him busy, and jumping into the wilderness,  putting him out of touch with his superiors for possibly days, makes no sense. Or, if this was part of the dirty tricks biz - what part? He wasn't sneaking around on behalf of a bunch of bedraggled third-world rebels so it doesn't make much sense as a CIA or Mullen op. He may well have had a grudge against the CIA for loss of pension, but he was working post-retirement for the Mullen Co, a CIA front - and lots of people needed money, lots had various grudges. His sons may have guided his addled brain to a deathbed "confession" to involvement in the JFK assassination, but to my knowledge no mention was made of Cooper. Does the author have new information? How did he light on Hunt as his suspect?

I do like that he speculated the white bag contained jump boots. House's description of the bag was approximately the dimensions of a boot box, as I have mentioned before here. Something useful has to have been in that bag, and with at least 2 witnesses to it (I still think the small green bag Tina saw was a different bag entirely, possibly one he had in his pocket or the larger bag), the white bag certainly existed. Radio is the only other large item he might have taken outside of a helmet, though I still don't think even with a radio he would have been able to hook up with an accomplice in the middle of he-didn't-know-where.
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« Reply #4220 on: September 17, 2019, 01:23:56 PM »
Georger wrote: "The system defeats the system!"

Very cogent definition of entropy.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4221 on: September 28, 2019, 06:05:27 PM »
The FBI reports show multiple witnesses reported a "sagging chin" in their descriptions of Cooper. Maybe that's too vague for you, but in later years Bill Mitchell provided more detail. Take a gander at a photo of a turkey sometime and you should get a good idea what Mitchell meant.
 

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« Reply #4222 on: September 28, 2019, 10:43:55 PM »
This isn't an actual theory, is it? The E Howard Hunt stuff? I'm sorry, but you've got to be kidding. This goes into the same camp as the fallacious, ridiculous theories that attempt to tie two completely unrelated, high profile cases together, I.e. "DB Cooper is the Zodiac killer" and other fantasies like that.

 
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« Reply #4223 on: September 29, 2019, 02:58:36 AM »
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This isn't an actual theory, is it? The E Howard Hunt stuff? I'm sorry, but you've got to be kidding. This goes into the same camp as the fallacious, ridiculous theories that attempt to tie two completely unrelated, high profile cases together, I.e. "DB Cooper is the Zodiac killer" and other fantasies like that.

It is just typical "Cooper World" nonsense.  In another week or two, someone will probably claim that the current DC Whistleblower is also Cooper.
 

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« Reply #4224 on: September 29, 2019, 03:42:12 AM »
I'm willing to consider E Howard Hunt and Nat Loufoque's research for a couple of reasons:

1. Nat, pronounced like "hat," has done a lot of research on the sketches - when they were done, and why a second sketch was created. Commentaries from Tina and the crew, stuff like that are included. I'm eager to read it as soon as I get my copy.

2. Hunt did rogue covert ops successfully. Plus his actions were sanctioned. He broke into Ellsburg's psychiatrist's office and the CIA covered it up. Knowing more about the mechanisms of those actions may give us insights into DB Cooper.

I interviewed Nat a couple of days ago, and I'll write up a report once I read his book. Nat also asked me to interview E Howard Hunt's daughter, and I am in the process of making contact with her. She's an attorney in California.
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« Reply #4225 on: September 30, 2019, 11:53:48 AM »
Well said Bruce, and I'm eager to read your interview with Nat.

Nat Loufoque's book is good, and I'd recommend everyone interested in the case read it. I thought E Howard Hunt as a suspect was ridiculous, until I read the book. To be fair, I am a very gullible dummy, but I think Hunt as Cooper is more plausible than many other suspects.
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« Reply #4226 on: September 30, 2019, 01:09:05 PM »
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Well said Bruce, and I'm eager to read your interview with Nat.

Nat Loufoque's book is good, and I'd recommend everyone interested in the case read it. I thought E Howard Hunt as a suspect was ridiculous, until I read the book. To be fair, I am a very gullible dummy, but I think Hunt as Cooper is more plausible than many other suspects.

E Howard Hunt?

Just one more number in the Lottery of the Imagination. 
 

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« Reply #4227 on: October 03, 2019, 04:24:57 AM »
Let's not be too hasty to dismiss the folks from the Lottery of the Imagination. I still think there is something to be gained from investigating Walter Reca. After all, what the hell was he doing wandering around in the woods of Cle Elum in November?

Sadly his son, Walter Peca, does not return phone calls. Sigh.
 

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« Reply #4228 on: November 25, 2019, 02:59:53 PM »
Message for Bruce Smith... I started this conversation above in the 2019 thread.  I have a possible suspect... ya ya, you've heard it before.  I get it.

In my view, I have a good suspect worth looking into further.  But, I don't want to publicly name somebody if it's an obvious dead end.  So, I ask that you give me 1/2 hour of your time on a private phone call.  If you think there is enough there, then I can post the story for everybody else on this forum.

I promise you that I'm not wasting your time.  I'm a trained skeptic and I get that people push BS stories.  I'm not pushing anything.  I've sat on this for 4 years.  In fact, I didn't even pursue it.  I just ordered a couple legal documents online (5 minutes ago) to confirm a couple parts of my story and it matches up.

All I ask is that if you think it's a dead end, the story stays between us.
 

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« Reply #4229 on: November 25, 2019, 03:02:52 PM »
NEW suspect - current discussion moved to this threads.

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    David,

    Before you jump off the deep end, you need to keep in mind that reportedly 900+ people have claimed to be DB Cooper and not a single one of them checked out.  And it is highly unlikely that your suspect will check out either.  So I hope you will not be offended if no one on this thread accepts the claims of your suspect at face value.

    But you and your suspect are free to make whatever claims you want.  Any claims will vigorously reviewed by people on this site.


Absolutely. I agree.  I'm a professional engineer and I'm naturally a skeptic, including of myself.

My story ties in well with the titanium, which to be honest is the only hard evidence and the rest being anecdotal.  But the anecdotal fits quite well and there is a bunch of it.
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    I think there is little risk of a successful prosecution. The FBI’s loss of the cigarette butts provides good grounds for a dismissal motion based on spoliation of evidence. I wouldn’t worry about going public with your findings.


I thought they had his DNA.  If they get a match, would that not be a sure conviction?
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If I'm going to tell my story, my preference would be to have a 1 on 1 call with Bruce Smith.  He can filter my story for us.  If he calls BS and concludes it's unlikely, then I'd rather not post the story, so as not to publicly name people.  If he thinks the odds are solid and realistic, then I would post the whole story here.  Sound fair?  1/2 hour call is all I need.
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    If I'm going to tell my story, my preference would be to have a 1 on 1 call with Bruce Smith.  He can filter my story for us.  If he calls BS and concludes it's unlikely, then I'd rather not post the story, so as not to publicly name people.  If he thinks the odds are solid and realistic, then I would post the whole story here.  Sound fair?  1/2 hour call is all I need.


Tell it in: Suspects And Confessions ... that is the thread for Suspects and Confessions.

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