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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2010 on: September 21, 2017, 12:56:03 PM »
DBC suspect Jack Collins. Below is my review of his son's book: My Father Was DB Cooper.

We rarely talk about Jack Cooper but isn't he is a decent candidate? His son claims the FBI did interview Jack. Haven't seen any evidence of this in the Colbert or Gray FBI materials. He was an expert skydiver. He needed money badly. He looks a bit like the FBI sketches. His bro was a Northwest 727 Captain.

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3.0 out of 5 stars LOTS of incorrect facts, but an entertaining read
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Bradley Collins obviously has a sincere belief that his late father Jack was DB Cooper. Jack isn't a bad suspect actually IF everything Bradley writes is true. Jack was a seasoned skydiver, knew the Pacific NW area, was a pilot and had a brother Bud who was a Northwest Airlines 727 captain. Jack had money problems and wasn't averse to a few scams to keep his cash flow coming, e.g. taking out disability insurance policies and then having a series of bone breaking minor skydiving landing accidents that got the insurance money coming in. Bradley also writes that his Dad disappeared for five days spanning the Nov 24 1971 DB Cooper skyjack date. It would be interesting to see if this absence can be independently verified.

According to the author, Jack was promptly questioned by the FBI after the skyjack but nothing further happened. It would be interesting to know why the FBI apparently ruled him out as a suspect.

BUT... the author publishes an alarming series of incorrect or twisted facts that even a cursory Google search would have caught, so it makes the reader question the accuracy of everything in the book. Much is made of Bradley's recollection of conversations with his Dad and overheard conversations involving his Dad. Are these recollections accurate? The reader is left to wonder...

Examples:

1. The author writes that Howard Hughes headed NWA and cites Hughes's death as a pivotal point for his Dad and his Uncle as it marked a loss of possible forgiveness for DB Cooper, whose caper Bradley imagines would have amused "Uncle Howard". Howard Hughes owned Air West, not NWA. Air West never became NWA. Hughes played major roles in TWA and Air West but had no ownership or control of NWA ever. The author even fantasizes about Hughes playing cards with his friends and chuckling about the skyjack caper.

2.The author publishes a vivid account of a conversation with his father just prior to the skyjack in which his father discusses an upcoming unusual night jump and demonstrates a wrist watch that with the press of a button becomes an illuminated altimeter. To the best of my knowledge, and I have researched this, no such watch existed in November of 1971, the date of the skyjack. Either the author imagined it or he misdescribed it.

3. The author writes about a WW 2 surplus AT6 aircraft flown by his father and brother and writes that it could fly nearly 400 mph and climb to 30,000 feet. Even with postwar engine upgrades and mods no T6 could match these specs or even come close. Nobody knows more about squeezing performance out of T6s than Reno air racers do and none of them have even come remotely close to 400 mph. The record is about 247 mph. Ceiling is roughly 21,000 ft.

4. The author recounts a skydive demonstration jump in bad weather where his father ended up caught in power lines above a body of water. He describes his father using a knife to cut all the lines and then drop into the water below. Bradley is confusing the term "cutaway", which describes a skydivers release of the main canopy by activating mechanical riser releases with an actual cutting of lines with a knife to accomplish the same purpose. It's probably an innocent mistake in which vague childhood memories and the passage of time have blurred the facts but it calls into question how accurate the author's recollection are.

The author speculates that his father Jack recruited Bud to be the ground man who would meet him on terra firma after parachuting from the skyjacked NWA 727. Its a long story but the author implies that Bud's later suicide was a direct result of his involvement in the crime. Why a well paid NWA airliner captain would risk a felony conviction and loss of his prestigious career for $100,000 (half the loot) is puzzling to say the least.

The author's account of how Jack would find Bud after jumping from the 727 at night is naively simplistic. Bud would simply blink his car headlights, Jack would see them, and they would meet up and drive away. Since Cooper had no direct control over the flight path and only a rough idea of his location from visual clues such a rendezvous would be highly improbable. Miracles do happen though, look at how close some other skydiving skyjackers landed to their intended destination, e.g. Richard McCoy and Rob Heady.

Sure I am nit picking, but accuracy is very important in non fiction. That said, the story is both interesting and entertaining. Jack was quite a character and it's fun to read about his life. In spite of all the book errors Jack Collins seemed to have the skills needed to be Cooper. Does the author present any probative evidence to support the title: My father Was DB Cooper? The answer is no. It's all circumstantial and speculative.

Bradley Collins needs to clean up the errors and republish the book if he expects his claim to be taken seriously. Can I rule out Jack Collins as DBC? No, I can't, but he joins a long list of fathers, husbands, brothers etc whose surviving relatives are convinced that DB Cooper was a family member.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2011 on: September 21, 2017, 09:28:58 PM »
I'd like to add to the list for Bradley to consider:

I would like to hear a lot more about the death of the 727 pilot, the uncle who died at Bradley's home and supposedly did the caper with the father.

Secondly, Bradley is going to have to find a way to sit down with researchers and discuss his book without bolting from the room.
 
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« Reply #2012 on: October 23, 2017, 08:28:00 AM »
does anyone think Jesse Arthur Wallick could be D.B. Cooper

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i think he looks alot like james klansnic

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« Reply #2013 on: October 25, 2017, 08:14:37 PM »
From a Facebook group of old skydivers, just shows how far and wide the FBI DBC net was being cast. They were looking for sophisticated jumpers, not whuffo idiots.

Arthur C. Tucker: "I remember when the FBI came into Ft Bragg, NC and picked up a friend of mine that was a SGM at the 18th Airborne Corp. He looked almost identical to the drawing in the Parachutist Magazine."

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« Reply #2014 on: October 25, 2017, 11:06:52 PM »
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From a Facebook group of old skydivers, just shows how far and wide the FBI DBC net was being cast. They were looking for sophisticated jumpers, not whuffo idiots.

Arthur C. Tucker: "I remember when the FBI came into Ft Bragg, NC and picked up a friend of mine that was a SGM at the 18th Airborne Corp. He looked almost identical to the drawing in the Parachutist Magazine."

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There are docs in the new release about the description and sketches being sent to the Parachutist Magazine and other sky diver organizations.
 

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« Reply #2015 on: October 27, 2017, 08:52:19 AM »
do you think this man could be db cooper
 

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« Reply #2016 on: October 27, 2017, 03:26:21 PM »
Nope.
 

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« Reply #2017 on: November 05, 2017, 10:22:11 PM »
Since Bruce brought up the Rhodes & Calame book, does anybody know how the FBI tracked McCoy & Walker to Virginia Beach? All I can find on re-read is that they came home to 20 agents in their house. One source said McCoy asked Walker twice to go check the house, but he wouldn't. I don't see what the the Bureau's leads were, whether they tracked him from N.C. visiting family, or someone called it in, or his wife had something to do with it, etc.

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Scratch that. Found a book that credits an anonymous FBI informant with tipping them off.
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« Reply #2018 on: November 06, 2017, 02:03:54 AM »
McCoy's wife is strongly implicated as the FBI informant. The speculation is she was threatened with arrest for being an accomplice - being the getaway driver - and in turn she gave up her husband. Karen McCoy has never talked to anyone I know of. Geoffrey Gray went looking for her, her kids, or even her former attorneys to get a better picture in 2010, but everyone clammed up.

I talked with the agent who shot McCoy, and it was fun listening to how easily he laughed when he announced that he would never give up his source.

It is also strongly rumored that Karen McCoy sued Calame and Rhodes and got them to minimize the marketing on their book. The rumor I heard is that they had to promise not to make a movie deal, and in turn they could continue to publish their book via the local university press. That said, I have no idea what leverage she had over Calame and Rhodes.
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« Reply #2019 on: November 06, 2017, 07:59:07 PM »
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I talked with the agent who shot McCoy, and it was fun listening to how easily he laughed when he announced that he would never give up his source.

Joseph Smith, right? How did you find him? (You Smiths have a network?)
 

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« Reply #2020 on: November 06, 2017, 10:02:51 PM »
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Found a book that credits an anonymous FBI informant with tipping them off.
 

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« Reply #2021 on: November 07, 2017, 12:09:34 AM »
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I talked with the agent who shot McCoy, and it was fun listening to how easily he laughed when he announced that he would never give up his source.

Joseph Smith, right? How did you find him? (You Smiths have a network?)

Nope. Nick O'Hara. EVicki helped me find him, too. She was also instrumental in helping me locate Bill Mitchell.
 

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« Reply #2022 on: November 07, 2017, 12:10:47 AM »
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Found a book that credits an anonymous FBI informant with tipping them off.

Well, that's another possibility...
 

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« Reply #2023 on: November 12, 2017, 10:45:40 AM »
does anybody think it is possible that jerry lord could could be db cooper i believe he is a cousin of joe and dan lord he worked for tektronix i think he has a narrower face and a swarth appearance
 

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« Reply #2024 on: November 12, 2017, 09:50:24 PM »
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does anybody think it is possible that jerry lord could could be db cooper i believe he is a cousin of joe and dan lord he worked for tektronix i think he has a narrower face and a swarth appearance

Seriously? take a good look at his nose.