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Offline Shutter

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2070 on: December 09, 2018, 09:05:46 AM »
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The crew did what Cooper asked. the same would of been if he said to go no faster than 170 knots.

According to the Transcript his last instruction is merely: 'slow and stabilize the plane'. That isnt very technical!

where is that mentioned, not the radio transcripts?

well you are right - it is not in the Transcript as originally thought.  I guess its in one of the other interviews or something. Or maybe Im dreaming it at this point! This is becoming very tedious with a lot to keep track of.

I do recall Rataczak saying something like that when the plane was at 7,000 when the stairs first came down (partially) and was one of the reason's he went to 30 degree's. then they realized it was burning a lot of fuel and switched back to 15.

perhaps it's in that article when Skipped talked to him?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2071 on: December 09, 2018, 09:42:34 AM »
At approx. 7:36 the plane takes off. at around 7:40 the flaps are set at 30 degree's. at 7:48 they begin to climb out of the 7,000 hold to 10,000 and switch to 15 degree's.

The troubling factor R99 always pointed out was the 7:40 mark. the plane travels 14 DME miles in 4 minutes and then reports 19 miles DME in 3 minutes. I could never match the first report at 7:40. Hominid always told me not to worry about the 7:40 mark and make the 19 DME mark. the crew never made any statements whether or not that they took off and left the configuration AT 15 degree's and wheels down or took off as normal with wheels up and less flap and more speed. that's the only way they Could get to the first mark of 14 DME by going faster than Cooper requested. they do report "slowing down to about 155" this tells me they did a possible normal takeoff.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2072 on: December 09, 2018, 09:53:31 AM »
I was able to conclude that the flight path given could be flown the way they present it, to some extent. the timing is off between lake Merwin and crossing the Columbia. some of the minute marks are not accurate. the turn is odd at the 8:16 location on the map. it's a hard bank in order to get back onto V-23. I'm not really sure why they did some of the turns in this area.

I also tried R99's theory and concluded that the timing was off when trying to go straight down from the Malay intersection and passing Tina bar slightly to the west. Robert told me the takeoff time must be wrong. I disagree with that conclusion as well.

Hominid put me through a lot of testing to determine whether or not the simulator was accurate enough to use. we tested timing, winds, altitudes, speeds and even test flap settings while in flight. the difference with wheels up and down. the simulator passed.   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2073 on: December 09, 2018, 10:47:39 AM »
This was an old test video when I first started the project. it's the first 4 minutes of the flight. I did a rookie mistake of forgetting to pull back on the throttle from 100% thrust. the engines over heat and start shutting down. it happens right at the end of the 4 minutes..

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2074 on: December 10, 2018, 12:11:57 PM »
As I've considered how DBC came to be familiar with Yuma, AZ I have theorized that he may have been in the Marines given that the Marines have an air station there.

However, I also learned that Boeing has flight tested commercial aircraft there for decades. I have been unable to verify when this all started. Nonetheless, I have been able to verify at a minimum that the 727 was tested, in part, at Edwards Air Force Base which is not too far away.

I believe that DBC's Yuma inquiry/statement is telling and may well point to a Marine or Boeing employee. After all, I maintain that relatively few people have heard of Yuma and know where it is located.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2075 on: December 10, 2018, 02:31:57 PM »
Before the FBI came into existence, crooks used to head for the state line where the coppers chasing them had no jurisdiction. Since Yuma is directly on a border with Mexico, where he was asking to go, he may have scouted it out ahead of time.

Or perhaps he just looked it up after seeing the well-known film 3:10 to Yuma, released by Columbia pictures a decade earlier, or heard the re-release of it's title song 3:10 to Yuma in 1967. I don't think it's accurate to say that few people had heard of Yuma.