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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4515 on: November 12, 2020, 01:06:42 PM »
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Is it on this site?  Where do I find it?  YouTube??
I listen to it on Apple Podcasts. It called The Cooper Vortex. The host is Darren Schaefer. Listen to Episode #40.

Can you post the link to find it?
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There's also an entire thread dedicated to the podcast on this forum.

OK Chaucer, I listened to his podcast.  Ill respond on a new thread below as this one is all messed up
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4516 on: November 12, 2020, 01:13:12 PM »
OK Chaucer, thanks for the link.  I have listened to his podcast. I am not completely convinced nor was he as he said, probable, not a sure thing as far a as the money showing up in time.  I know about the currency and its being replaced, an 8 year life cycle in typical situations which this is not. He said that DB would have been better off spending it here than laundering it in another country, such as Canada and he mentioned a few more.  But not countries like Japan for instance that have probably not as great a return, but probably a better chance of it going under the radar, especially if its on the black market.  And he said they kept better track of the numbers after 1977 I believe was the year?  If he spent it in 72, who knows?  His reference to the other money being in the same condition is totally without merit.  That would mean he absolutely died in the jump and the money went into the water and only 3 bundles totaling $6K was found.  But if he has the rest of the money, spent or not, its not going to be in that condition of course. He has no idea if he made it. And he cannot prove beyond all doubt that someone would have spotted one of those twenty's.  He is saying most likely one would have turned up. 
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4517 on: November 12, 2020, 02:22:42 PM »
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OK Chaucer, thanks for the link.  I have listened to his podcast. I am not completely convinced nor was he as he said, probable, not a sure thing as far a as the money showing up in time.  I know about the currency and its being replaced, an 8 year life cycle in typical situations which this is not. He said that DB would have been better off spending it here than laundering it in another country, such as Canada and he mentioned a few more.  But not countries like Japan for instance that have probably not as great a return, but probably a better chance of it going under the radar, especially if its on the black market.  And he said they kept better track of the numbers after 1977 I believe was the year?  If he spent it in 72, who knows?  His reference to the other money being in the same condition is totally without merit.  That would mean he absolutely died in the jump and the money went into the water and only 3 bundles totaling $6K was found.  But if he has the rest of the money, spent or not, its not going to be in that condition of course. He has no idea if he made it. And he cannot prove beyond all doubt that someone would have spotted one of those twenty's.  He is saying most likely one would have turned up.
Well, to each his own, but if I'm going to believe someone, it's going to be the preeminent expert on the matter and not some random guy on the internet. I'll let the episode and Mr. Friedberg's qualifications speak for themselves.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4518 on: November 12, 2020, 08:15:46 PM »
So I understand you would tend to believe him.  But believe what? He said the money would probably turn up.  He did not say absolutely  He leaned toward that but do you absolutely believe he died in the jump?  If you believe this guy as you say, then you believe he died in the jump!  OK.  You are entitled to your opinion. His credentials are of course excellent in the time frame of the time in numerical data. No real expertise in solving crimes like this and he admits as much and also admits to know little about this case.  He cannot say with 100% mathematical certainty that a $20 bill would be caught by some banker or that DB died in the jump either.  You go pray to this man, I pray to someone else
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4519 on: November 12, 2020, 11:55:12 PM »
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So I understand you would tend to believe him.  But believe what? He said the money would probably turn up.  He did not say absolutely  He leaned toward that but do you absolutely believe he died in the jump?  If you believe this guy as you say, then you believe he died in the jump!  OK.  You are entitled to your opinion. His credentials are of course excellent in the time frame of the time in numerical data. No real expertise in solving crimes like this and he admits as much and also admits to know little about this case.  He cannot say with 100% mathematical certainty that a $20 bill would be caught by some banker or that DB died in the jump either.  You go pray to this man, I pray to someone else
I don't "pray" to any man, but I do have a special fondness for science, facts, logic, reason, and experts. Things that you seem to have little regard for.

Again, to each his own.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4520 on: November 13, 2020, 03:17:13 AM »
Chaucer, you say that you believe in experts and their facts, logic and reason. But you continue to believe that Cooper most likely died in the jump, and that "The idea that anyone can just jump out of an airplane at 10,000 feet and survive like it's no big deal is bananas."

Those views are not consistent.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4521 on: November 13, 2020, 12:03:42 PM »
I tend to think he died, but I'm not tied to that theory. Ultimately, I think his attempt was unsuccessful. I base those theories on the facts of the case. If evidence is provided that concludes otherwise, I'm willing to change my opinion. That's how this is supposed to work. You change your theory based on the evidence, not ignore evidence that challenges your theory. What does the preponderance of evidence.

Also, we have no idea how much training or experience skydiving Cooper had. If he was a novice, then yes, jumping out of the back of a jetliner using chutes he wasn't familiar with into 40 degree rain at night over uneven terrain wearing business suit and loafers with 30 pounds of money tied to him? Yeah, I'd say that's bananas.  That's why so many in this case have tried to square those facts by claiming Cooper was an expert skydiver/had a skydiver suit on/kept an altimeter in the bag/etc.

If Cooper had never jumped before and then attempted that jump under those conditions, then I think it's likely he died.

Nowhere did I stray from any facts in saying that.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4522 on: November 13, 2020, 12:08:48 PM »
I think a lot of people believe Cooper made it. that doesn't mean he used two boats to escape. we also have people who are undecided on Cooper's fate. I'm one of them but I'm open to theories and will challenge them.

If you go by the known evidence vs speculation conflicts can occur. the pilot made a statement of seeing the suburbs of Portland. this would be a glow vs light. several layers of clouds (3) were also present that could of damped the glow from the dam. the path, if you go by the map it was I believe 3 nautical miles west of the dam. nobody can be certain if the dam's glow could be seen. if we are not certain it start putting holes in boats? I liked Bill R. but I just don't think the escape had that many dots to connect for the escape.

R99 has had a theory for a long time stating the plane flew west of the known path. R99 is a aeronautical engineer, a pilot as well as a skydiver. the path is very logical and simple. the problem is that it goes against all the known evidence but is certainly plausible.

Tom Kaye has done extensive testing on the money as well as the tie Cooper wore. his latest find was the diatoms left on the bills can only be present during a certain point in a year that excludes being put in the river on the night of the hijacking. this puts a possibility of the path being wrong. R99 believes Cooper was a no pull.

Eric Ulis uses the same path but has Cooper surviving and landing further north of Tbar.

Reca, not plausible in the least IMHO. the path is miles off. the documents they claim are real have been shown to be fakes.

The list goes on. everyone does have a right to a theory but they should also be ready for a challenge. Tom Kaye has opened many doors for us to examine. it's not speculation or theory. it's science. these are the things I seek to forward the case. we have so many theories making it hard for all to agree.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4523 on: November 13, 2020, 01:46:54 PM »
Someone had said that the money had been put there in 74 because of that science that supposedly proved it?  I find it strange and why would someone even Cooper bury $6 grand on the beach there?  And 3 years after the crime?  It makes you question the science behind it a bit doesn't it?  I am not sure if he could have seen the dam, but do they not light up the dam at night? I am unsure.  It could be one reference point he may have used.

I believe that the lack of evidence of his demise is evidence in itself.  People were out searching. NOTHING WAS FOUND.   NO BODY.  NO CLOTHES.    And Bears and Lions do not eat fake bombs, parachutes or money as far as I know.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4524 on: November 13, 2020, 05:38:49 PM »
You might be referring to Eric Ulis. he thinks it's possible Cooper buried all the money at the find location and dug it up just before the 74 flood that would explain the diatoms on the money. I believe this is his theory..you can find more about his theory on his website..
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4525 on: November 13, 2020, 07:25:29 PM »
A video here is from a night flight of Hoover dam. it's only a couple thousand feet. not so sure the lights would be strong enough to get through cloud layer's..I believe Rataczak makes a reference of flying through the soup in this area. (clouds)

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4526 on: November 14, 2020, 03:23:50 PM »
Most likely those lights over the Hoover dam are far better than the ones over the "Cooper dam".  But still, some light is better than no light.   I just watched another DB Cooper YouTube video, endless the number of them, and I heard a couple of names I had never heard before.   There are so many suspects that are named in this crazy case.  It makes you wonder if one of them is the real deal?  I did not want to use the word McCoy because I think he was a serious thrill seeking copy cat.  The only smart thing he did was ask for more than twice as much as DB.  He might have gotten away with it if not for being stupid after the crime.

Speaking of suspects, I wish I could see a list of Boeing employees from just before the date of the crime, going back about a year, that were either recently divorced, widowed and especially if one used to live in Canada?  Even though, I had a friend from near Ottawa that tried to get US citizenship back in the early 80s and was not able to.  It was not easy. But I believe you could work?  I would also limit the list to those that lived in the NW, Seattle, Portland region.  He gave away the fact he knew the area well.  But I am sure the FBI has been down all of these roads?  I've never seen a case with so many phony confessions.  And some of them are death bed confessions!  What push's a person to lie like that?  Fame? 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4527 on: November 14, 2020, 03:46:10 PM »
Fame, MKULTRA, psychosis, loneliness, wanting to impress a spouse?

There are a lot of reasons why someone might give a deathbed confession, I say.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4528 on: November 14, 2020, 06:24:53 PM »
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What push's a person to lie like that?  Fame?

The desire to be remembered long after they're gone.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4529 on: November 14, 2020, 06:31:46 PM »
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Fame, MKULTRA, psychosis, loneliness, wanting to impress a spouse?

There are a lot of reasons why someone might give a deathbed confession, I say.

Agree

Kenny Christianson and Walter Reca.   Here are two examples of guys that were Cooper wanna be's.  Both of them cannot be DB Cooper.  Both have convinced many people that they are.  And many more names to add to theirs in  this case.