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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4320 on: December 20, 2019, 02:34:45 PM »
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Its in a 302 Flyjack posted part of. It's verbatim from Alice Hancock's interview. 

Hancock's interview states:

" Hancock stated that the subject made his demands known in this order:
1)   He wanted the money brought on board first.
2)   He wanted (passengers) off the aircraft after the money was on board.
3)   He wanted parachutes and four crew meals.
4)   He wanted the plane completely refueled.
5)   He wanted maps. "

Regardless of what is in Hancock's 302 interview, and it should be noted that she had very little contact with Cooper if any at all, Cooper would have to specify what maps he wanted.  Just asking for "maps" is meaningless.

And Cooper asking for specific maps would indicate where he wanted to go.  Cooper never mentioned going anywhere except to Mexico and that was probably just a ruse.  All available evidence indicates Cooper planned to jump somewhere near Seattle.

Just because something appears in a 302 doesn't mean that it is accurate.

had very little contact with Cooper if any at all,

How do you know. You arent/weren't even familiar with the documents.

Why not just say: 'Hancock never existed' !   :D

Silly Georger, here you go again!  Why don't you just say that you were there and know everything that was said or not said. 

What is the basis of your pronouncement about what I am familiar with or not familiar with?  You don't have a basis and are just trying to butter up your over inflated ego.

Stupid.

If you are referring to your own remarks, then I agree.

Or you could just refer to the Hancock interview if you have it? Did that occur to you?

I have already referred to the Hancock interview in case you haven't noticed. 
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4321 on: December 20, 2019, 04:04:51 PM »
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Its in a 302 Flyjack posted part of. It's verbatim from Alice Hancock's interview. 

Hancock's interview states:

" Hancock stated that the subject made his demands known in this order:
1)   He wanted the money brought on board first.
2)   He wanted (passengers) off the aircraft after the money was on board.
3)   He wanted parachutes and four crew meals.
4)   He wanted the plane completely refueled.
5)   He wanted maps. "

Regardless of what is in Hancock's 302 interview, and it should be noted that she had very little contact with Cooper if any at all, Cooper would have to specify what maps he wanted.  Just asking for "maps" is meaningless.

And Cooper asking for specific maps would indicate where he wanted to go.  Cooper never mentioned going anywhere except to Mexico and that was probably just a ruse.  All available evidence indicates Cooper planned to jump somewhere near Seattle.

Just because something appears in a 302 doesn't mean that it is accurate.

had very little contact with Cooper if any at all,

How do you know. You arent/weren't even familiar with the documents.

Why not just say: 'Hancock never existed' !   :D

Silly Georger, here you go again!  Why don't you just say that you were there and know everything that was said or not said. 

What is the basis of your pronouncement about what I am familiar with or not familiar with?  You don't have a basis and are just trying to butter up your over inflated ego.

Stupid.

If you are referring to your own remarks, then I agree.

Or you could just refer to the Hancock interview if you have it? Did that occur to you?

I have already referred to the Hancock interview in case you haven't noticed.

And the new "facts" you have presented about Hancock, are ? We are still waiting.   

You said:

"she had very little contact with Cooper if any at all"
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4322 on: December 21, 2019, 10:37:26 PM »
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Its in a 302 Flyjack posted part of. It's verbatim from Alice Hancock's interview. 

Hancock's interview states:

" Hancock stated that the subject made his demands known in this order:
1)   He wanted the money brought on board first.
2)   He wanted (passengers) off the aircraft after the money was on board.
3)   He wanted parachutes and four crew meals.
4)   He wanted the plane completely refueled.
5)   He wanted maps. "

Regardless of what is in Hancock's 302 interview, and it should be noted that she had very little contact with Cooper if any at all, Cooper would have to specify what maps he wanted.  Just asking for "maps" is meaningless.

And Cooper asking for specific maps would indicate where he wanted to go.  Cooper never mentioned going anywhere except to Mexico and that was probably just a ruse.  All available evidence indicates Cooper planned to jump somewhere near Seattle.

Just because something appears in a 302 doesn't mean that it is accurate.
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Read the Mucklow interview, which is here on Shutter's site, for her comments about "maps".

Tina had almost constant contact with Cooper.  Flo was in the cockpit taking the interphone calls from Tina.  Alice was basically keeping the other passengers out of the way and probably got most of her information second hand from Tina.   

 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4323 on: December 22, 2019, 12:41:45 AM »
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Its in a 302 Flyjack posted part of. It's verbatim from Alice Hancock's interview. 

Hancock's interview states:

" Hancock stated that the subject made his demands known in this order:
1)   He wanted the money brought on board first.
2)   He wanted (passengers) off the aircraft after the money was on board.
3)   He wanted parachutes and four crew meals.
4)   He wanted the plane completely refueled.
5)   He wanted maps. "

Regardless of what is in Hancock's 302 interview, and it should be noted that she had very little contact with Cooper if any at all, Cooper would have to specify what maps he wanted.  Just asking for "maps" is meaningless.

And Cooper asking for specific maps would indicate where he wanted to go.  Cooper never mentioned going anywhere except to Mexico and that was probably just a ruse.  All available evidence indicates Cooper planned to jump somewhere near Seattle.

Just because something appears in a 302 doesn't mean that it is accurate.

Read the Mucklow interview, which is here on Shutter's site, for her comments about "maps".

Tina had almost constant contact with Cooper.  Flo was in the cockpit taking the interphone calls from Tina.  Alice was basically keeping the other passengers out of the way and probably got most of her information second hand from Tina.
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Robert screwed up the formatting again. So nobody can reply to his post! Robert gets the final word!  :rofl:
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4324 on: January 19, 2020, 11:55:06 PM »
Update on Ted Braden

There is a new DBC researcher and writer by the name of Drew Beeson who is working up a book on Ted Braden. In doing so, he has contacted our old friend, Lt Col Hank Bertsch, the guy who commanded the brig at Ft Dix when Ted was sent there after his Congo adventure. In turn, Hank has recruited one of daughters to sleuth the Internet. She has found a treasure trove on Teddy B.

Among many findings, our Ted B Braden is a Junior. His father was Ted B Braden, Sr. and died in Mississippi in 1961. At that time, Ted Jr. was living in Galveston, Texas.

Ted Jr. also had an extensive criminal record. He did time in Loretto Federal Prison in PA for reasons we don't fully know about. But he was arrested on theft charges of stealing fish and roast beef from a Gloucester, MA warehouse in 1980. Ted was subsequently arrested and incarcerated on those charges in Detroit, Michigan.

At the same time, the stolen fish was being transported on a stolen semi-trailer from Arizona. The results of that charge are still unknown.

Ted was also charged with a DUI and driving a stolen car in PA in 1982.

In addition, Ted was charged with causing a wreck on Route 20 in Belvidere, Illinois in 1975. He was driving a semi and collided with a car. Ted's skid marks were noted as being 87-feet long, which I think indicates that Ted was going pretty fast.

Hank and his daughter have uncovered a lot of family history on Ted, and I'll post on that after they finish their analysis of Ted's timeline.

Drew is also reviewing all of this, and has re-contacted a lot of Ted's SOG buddies, updating their thoughts on Ted.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4325 on: January 20, 2020, 07:16:27 PM »
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Update on Ted Braden

There is a new DBC researcher and writer by the name of Drew Beeson who is working up a book on Ted Braden. In doing so, he has contacted our old friend, Lt Col Hank Bertsch, the guy who commanded the brig at Ft Dix when Ted was sent there after his Congo adventure. In turn, Hank has recruited one of daughters to sleuth the Internet. She has found a treasure trove on Teddy B.

Among many findings, our Ted B Braden is a Junior. His father was Ted B Braden, Sr. and died in Mississippi in 1961. At that time, Ted Jr. was living in Galveston, Texas.

Ted Jr. also had an extensive criminal record. He did time in Loretto Federal Prison in PA for reasons we don't fully know about. But he was arrested on theft charges of stealing fish and roast beef from a Gloucester, MA warehouse in 1980. Ted was subsequently arrested and incarcerated on those charges in Detroit, Michigan.

At the same time, the stolen fish was being transported on a stolen semi-trailer from Arizona. The results of that charge are still unknown.

Ted was also charged with a DUI and driving a stolen car in PA in 1982.

In addition, Ted was charged with causing a wreck on Route 20 in Belvidere, Illinois in 1975. He was driving a semi and collided with a car. Ted's skid marks were noted as being 87-feet long, which I think indicates that Ted was going pretty fast.

Hank and his daughter have uncovered a lot of family history on Ted, and I'll post on that after they finish their analysis of Ted's timeline.

Drew is also reviewing all of this, and has re-contacted a lot of Ted's SOG buddies, updating their thoughts on Ted.

Is this the same guy that was on Darren's podcast a few months ago? He had a guy on there that was pushing Braden as Cooper.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4326 on: January 20, 2020, 10:57:00 PM »
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Update on Ted Braden

There is a new DBC researcher and writer by the name of Drew Beeson who is working up a book on Ted Braden. In doing so, he has contacted our old friend, Lt Col Hank Bertsch, the guy who commanded the brig at Ft Dix when Ted was sent there after his Congo adventure. In turn, Hank has recruited one of daughters to sleuth the Internet. She has found a treasure trove on Teddy B.

Among many findings, our Ted B Braden is a Junior. His father was Ted B Braden, Sr. and died in Mississippi in 1961. At that time, Ted Jr. was living in Galveston, Texas.

Ted Jr. also had an extensive criminal record. He did time in Loretto Federal Prison in PA for reasons we don't fully know about. But he was arrested on theft charges of stealing fish and roast beef from a Gloucester, MA warehouse in 1980. Ted was subsequently arrested and incarcerated on those charges in Detroit, Michigan.

At the same time, the stolen fish was being transported on a stolen semi-trailer from Arizona. The results of that charge are still unknown.

Ted was also charged with a DUI and driving a stolen car in PA in 1982.

In addition, Ted was charged with causing a wreck on Route 20 in Belvidere, Illinois in 1975. He was driving a semi and collided with a car. Ted's skid marks were noted as being 87-feet long, which I think indicates that Ted was going pretty fast.

Hank and his daughter have uncovered a lot of family history on Ted, and I'll post on that after they finish their analysis of Ted's timeline.

Drew is also reviewing all of this, and has re-contacted a lot of Ted's SOG buddies, updating their thoughts on Ted.

Is this the same guy that was on Darren's podcast a few months ago? He had a guy on there that was pushing Braden as Cooper.

Yeah it’s the same guy Parrot.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4327 on: Today at 08:23:01 AM »
I highly doubt that Braden is Cooper, but I bet there’s still a hell of a story to be told about that guy. That may be a very good read.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #4328 on: Today at 01:52:23 PM »
I have read a lot about Ted Braden. I spoke with Billy Waugh about his late MAC SOG teammate. Lots of MAC SOG folks think Braden was Cooper. Snow did a LOT of digging too. Braden's final job appears to have been driving long haul trucks. Odd.

Braden is a good candidate if you look at qualifications and motive, he had all the skills and then some. Balls of steel. He needed money. But nothing puts him on the plane.

The MAC SOG night jumps into N Vietnam for recon and espionage were insanely risky. Just finding each other after landing in a jungle was full of risks. They used an AM broadcast band beacon transmitter and Japanese transistor radios with ferrite bar antennas as crude direction finders to meet up. Their work included placing taps on phone lines. They had numerous close calls including a marauding tiger.

The war took a terrible toll on tigers in Vietnam. Very few remain, perhaps one or two hundred. Here is an example of how that war killed tigers. Carpet bombing probably killed many as well. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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