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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3975 on: December 03, 2018, 02:56:06 PM »
See sketch posted above. I got curious to see what a slight adjustment of the HH photo would look like, compared to the composite above. Let me simply post the result. The Hahneman photo has now been very slightly stretched in the horizontal axis ... with noticeable results ...  here's the new composite after very slight adjustment of the HH photo in the horizontal axis, to make the Hahneman photo appear very slightly wider.

The issue at stake is: do all three individuals now fall within the same general cranial type after a very slight horizontal axis adjustment of the Hahneman photo. You be the judge. 

I am trying to take a neutral stance in this whole issue -
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3976 on: December 03, 2018, 03:04:42 PM »
Posting limitation prevent a side by side comparison but here is the original composite BEFORE any adjustment was made to the Hahneman photo.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3977 on: December 03, 2018, 04:11:54 PM »
Everyone can say Cooper was whoever. I agree. I can also disagree with the conclusions which I often do. this is not a guy who was brought to the FBI's attention like LD, Weber, Kenny etc. they were on him probably moments after the hijacking once it was known that it was a 727 being hijacked. the "Cooper" alarm goes off.

I don't believe so early in the Cooper investigation that they didn't use an actual photo of him to see what Tina, Flo and others thought. similar to the McCoy hijacking that occurred shortly after Cooper. they were on him pretty fast as well. the case was still very hot in this period.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3978 on: December 03, 2018, 04:20:37 PM »
Then you have the sketch made by Florence years later that doesn't resemble anyone except LD Cooper. doesn't look like Peterson, Kenny, Dayton, Gossett etc. this was someone who seen Cooper for a long period but it doesn't match the official sketch.  a lot of time has passed since she seen him but it leaves doubt to the original sketch. that's why it's a sketch and not a photo.
 

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« Reply #3979 on: December 03, 2018, 04:34:25 PM »
Then you have this about missing teeth.
The scar on the left hand.
Very profound almost half of an eyebrow..
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3980 on: December 03, 2018, 05:26:29 PM »
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See sketch posted above. I got curious to see what a slight adjustment of the HH photo would look like, compared to the composite above. Let me simply post the result. The Hahneman photo has now been very slightly stretched in the horizontal axis ... with noticeable results ...  here's the new composite after very slight adjustment of the HH photo in the horizontal axis, to make the Hahneman photo appear very slightly wider.

The issue at stake is: do all three individuals now fall within the same general cranial type after a very slight horizontal axis adjustment of the Hahneman photo. You be the judge. 

I am trying to take a neutral stance in this whole issue -

I don't think anything "scientific" can be done with a sketch. I do see a much wider (fatter) face, flat chin, distinctive eyebrow's.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3981 on: December 03, 2018, 07:42:31 PM »
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If Flyjack has information about a supposed Orient trip before christmas 1971 (presents) why not post that and we can investigate that?
I'm wondering how Flyjack found that, and where.

I believe he was granted files thru FOIA...
 

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« Reply #3982 on: December 03, 2018, 08:47:22 PM »
if Skyjack has some private FOIA files, I'd be interested in seeing them.
 

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« Reply #3983 on: December 03, 2018, 11:30:58 PM »
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See sketch posted above. I got curious to see what a slight adjustment of the HH photo would look like, compared to the composite above. Let me simply post the result. The Hahneman photo has now been very slightly stretched in the horizontal axis ... with noticeable results ...  here's the new composite after very slight adjustment of the HH photo in the horizontal axis, to make the Hahneman photo appear very slightly wider.

The issue at stake is: do all three individuals now fall within the same general cranial type after a very slight horizontal axis adjustment of the Hahneman photo. You be the judge. 

I am trying to take a neutral stance in this whole issue -

I don't think anything "scientific" can be done with a sketch. I do see a much wider (fatter) face, flat chin, distinctive eyebrow's.

... which brings us full circle again and back to the game of which sketch(es) do you go with? I was interested to compare Hahneman with the original sketch and the Gregory sketch. With every witness description there is a margin of error. It's a dicey game.

To my mind there is a huge variance between the FBI's initial sketch and its later sketches. But the Gregorys ketch has a lot in common with the Initial sketch. How does Hahneman compare? .............................................. ?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3984 on: December 03, 2018, 11:56:19 PM »
The suspect can be an exact match to the sketch. Gossett is the closest I've seen. still far from anything pointing to Cooper. Cooper looks like the average Joe. nothing really sticks out making for a very large pool.

The passengers are tough since they had to recall later what he looked like. some said they couldn't identify him later if shown a picture.

They all fail to put a suspect near Portland but we hear stories of taxi's, walked, dropped off, flew in etc. some don't have a clue where the suspect was the week of November. the rest of the evidence can be labeled a coincidence in a lot of cases. all of these suspects can't be Cooper. Kenny and Reca seem to be the black sheep of suspects. Reca is worse than Kenny.

I've been on the wrong end of accusations with the law. it's not very hard to build a convincing case against the innocent. costs a lot of money to prove your innocence.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3985 on: December 04, 2018, 12:15:46 AM »
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The suspect can be an exact match to the sketch. Gossett is the closest I've seen. still far from anything pointing to Cooper. Cooper looks like the average Joe. nothing really sticks out making for a very large pool.

The passengers are tough since they had to recall later what he looked like. some said they couldn't identify him later if shown a picture.

They all fail to put a suspect near Portland but we hear stories of taxi's, walked, dropped off, flew in etc. some don't have a clue where the suspect was the week of November. the rest of the evidence can be labeled a coincidence in a lot of cases. all of these suspects can't be Cooper. Kenny and Reca seem to be the black sheep of suspects. Reca is worse than Kenny.

I've been on the wrong end of accusations with the law. it's not very hard to build a convincing case against the innocent. costs a lot of money to prove your innocence.

I hate to be a promoter but, Hahneman interested me from day-1. I can understand Flyjack's attraction to him. He checks a lot of boxes. [X] known hijacker with a questionable history. [X] solid south of the border connection [X] meets general physical description depending on which set of sketches you go with ... some disagree with this [X] technical background? In his one known hijacking he got upset and remarked he might have to fly the plane himself! To me that sounds almost like something Cooper might say?  ......... but all of that is on the surface. Once you find out Hahneman has a very deep vita then its obvious there were countless data points one could compare to the Cooper evidence file IF the Cooper evidence file has any depth at all. Were dna files compared. What are the specifics of the Hahneman-Cooper investigation? There had to be one or is that an empty assumption? Of all of the suspects people have brought forward, Hahneman is easily on the same level as McCoy ... imho.

Hahneman deserves a better less volatile manager.  :-\   
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3986 on: December 04, 2018, 06:16:00 AM »
I thought it was possible for a while that McCoy could be Cooper. slowly things started reversing. I see the same for this suspect. the FBI surely looked into this. it could boil down to them knowing exactly where he was or the witnesses ruling him out. he can check every box and still fail. they appeared to be interested by quickly using the composite to see what the witnesses thought of him.

This was not a suspect you would have to beg the FBI to take a look at like most of the others. this was just 6 months after Cooper. ask Dorwyn what he knows about him. 

what connection would he have with Washington, or Portland. he picked two familiar area's when he hijacked the plane in 1972.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3987 on: December 05, 2018, 03:06:58 AM »
Here we go again:

"He didn’t know what kind of airplane it was,” Laurin said, adding that Reca said he’d tried to parachute out the side exit door. One airline attendant (Mucklow) apparently told him, “Why don’t you use this one in the back. And he said, ‘Okay. I will.’ ”

Is it possible they have the Cooper hijacking confused with the Charley Manson hijacking?  Or the Abraham Lincoln hijacking?   :rofl:

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3988 on: December 05, 2018, 04:18:50 AM »
According to Vern Jones, not only did Reca not know what kind of plane he was on, he really didn't care.

Plus, he didn't mind being really stupid, having just walked up the aft stairs to board the plane at PDX.

SO, did a guy this dumb actually do all the things that others say he did, and that he eventually confessed to? Hard to see it being real.

But what did Jeff Osiadacz really see in the coffee shop in Cle Elum? Was it a truly a soaking wet Walter Reca? Maybe. If so, what does it mean?

What does it mean to you, Georger? Just askin'...
 

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« Reply #3989 on: December 05, 2018, 04:20:28 AM »
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...You can buy it now for only $17.95. Be sure to read the part about cow mutilations in Ambrosia, Oregon!


Seriously, Georger, what do you think the cattle mutilations are all about? Are they real? If so, how do the cattle get mutilated and why?