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« Reply #3150 on: August 01, 2018, 01:36:20 PM »
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and then.....

and then sometime in 1972 the FBI Cooper narrative shifted from an expert jumper to an amateur who died in the jump...

but let's look at the first lie.. the 303 grand reported in media and by the FBI including its entire and secret recovery in Florida one year later.

1 lb = 490 bills

Cooper $200,000 = 10000(9998) x $20  bills = 20.4 lbs

Claim - Hahneman had requested large bills and was given $100 bills.. that is all they could get in short notice.
$303,000 = 3030 x $100 bills = 6.18 lbs

Claim - Hahneman rejected it and demanded larger bills, the plane circled for 5 hours.. He received $500 and $1000 bills and swapped the money.

$303,000 = 606 x $500 bills = 1.2 lbs (less if mixed with $1000 bills) that is a single stack of bills less than 3 inches high. Hahneman had an attache case on the plane and on the ground in Honduras.

Would a hijacker be dissatisfied with 6 lbs of cash only to have it reduced to 1 lb.. (Cooper ransom was 20.4 lbs)

Why,,  it is a lie, the total wasn't 303 grand it was much much higher.

The 303 grand may have been part of the ransom and it may have been recovered but it was a small fraction, NOT the total and the vast majority of it went somewhere, to somebody that was so embarrassing to the US they had to lie about it.. this was at the highest level State Department/CIA..


It has been really strange that the FBI has never mentioned any relationship positive or negative between NORJAK and the Hahneman hijacking. They have never shown any reason why Hahneman was not considered a suspect in NORJAK despite extremely strong similarities. They have said very little, it is as though the Hahneman hijacking never happened.

Was the $303k figure publicized before the money was recovered in Florida, or after?

Both, the $303k was publicized right after the hijacking and a year later when recovered..


My "guess" is that the $303k was the initial payment to Hahneman in $100's that they could readily obtain.. the much larger $500 and $1000 bill payment was harder to get and took some time. The total Ransom was much much larger than the $303k..  the FBI press release after the recovery a year later is slightly misleading.. it says the $303k given was recovered, not that it was all the money given to Hahneman. It also presses the point that hijackings are not lucrative.. they had to push that narrative to dissuade others..


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MANAGUA FOR LEGATT

1.   FOLLOWING IS FULL TEXT OF PRESS RELEASE ON THIS SUBJECT
ISSUED IN JACKSONVILLE,  FLORIDA ON MAY 8:   QUOTE:
" THE MONEY PAID IN CONNECTION WITH THE HIJACKING OF AN
EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT IN MAY OF 1972  HAS BEEN RECOVERED

AFTER AN EXTENSIVE AND EXHAUSTIVE JOINT INVESTIGATION BY
THE FBI AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
( FDLE).
" WILLIAM M.  ALEXANDER,  SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE OF THE
UNCLASSIFIED

UNCLASSIFIED

PAGE 02   STATE  088847

JACKSONVILLE,  FLORIDA,  OFFICE OF THE FBI,  AND COMMISSIONER
WILLIAM L.  REED OF THE FDLE,  IN A JOINT RELEASE TODAY,
ANNOUNCED THAT THE DOLS 303,000  WHICH HAD BEEN PAID TO
FREDERICK WILLIAM HAHNEMAN ON MAY 5,  L972,  AT DULLES
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT,  CHANTILLY,  VIRGINIA,  IN CONNECTION
WITH THE HIJACKING OF EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT 175  FROM
ALLENTOWN,  PENNSYLVANIA,  TO MIAMI,  FLORIDA,  HAS BEEN
RECOVERED
BY AGENTS OF THE FDLE AND THE JACKSONVILLE OFFICE
OF THE FBI.

" UPON RECOVERY OF THE MONEY,  A CHECK WAS MADE OF THE
NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER,  FBI HEADQUARTERS,
WASHINGTON,  D.  C.,  WHICH DETERMINED THE SERIAL NUMBERS
TALLIED WITH THE RANSOM MONEY PAID
IN CONNECTION WITH THE
HIJACKING.

" ON MAY 5, 1972,  EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT 175  WAS
HIJACKED BY A LONE ARMED GUNMAN WHO DEMANDED AND RECEIVED
DOLS 303,000
,  PARACHUTES,  JUMP SUITS,  HELMETS,  KNIVES,  AND
2,000  BENSON AND HEDGES CIGARETTES.   AFTER THE MONEY AND
EQUIPMENT HAD BEEN PLACED ABOARD THE AIRCRAFT,  THE
HIJACKER PERMITTED THE PASSENGERS AND ONE STEWARDESS TO
DEPLANE.   THE AIRCRAFT BEARING SIX CREW MEMBERS AND THE
HIJACKER THEN TOOK OFF AND LANDED AT NEW ORLEANS,
LOUISIANA,  WHERE THE HIJACKER AND SIX CREW MEMBERS BOARDED
ANOTHER AIRCRAFT.   DURING THE EARLY MORNING OF MAY 6, 1972,
OVER THE JUNGLES NEAR A SMALL TOWN OF YORO,  HONDURAS,  THE
HIJACKER BAILED OUT THROUGH THE LOWERED REAR DOOR.

" THE HIJACKER WAS LATER IDENTIFIED AS FREDERICK WILLIAM
HAHNEMAN,  A 49- YEAR- OLD EASTON,  PENNSYLVANIA,  MAN.   ON
JUNE 3, 1972,  HAHNEMAN SURRENDERED TO AUTHORITIES AT THE
AMERICAN EMBASSY IN HONDURAS AND HE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY
RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES.   ON SEPTEMBER 29, 1972,
HAHNEMAN WAS SENTENCED IN U. S.  DISTRICT COURT,  ALEXANDRIA,
VIRGINIA,  TO LIFE IMPRISONMENT.

" ALEXANDER AND REED STATED THAT THE MONEY WAS BEING TURNED
OVER TO EASTERN AIRLINES OFFICIALS.

" THE FBI SAID THIS RECOVERY SHOWS THAT HIJACKING AN
UNCLASSIFIED

UNCLASSIFIED

PAGE 03   STATE  088847

AIRPLANE FOR EXTORTIONATE DEMANDS IS NOT VERY PROFITABLE.
SINCE JUNE 4, 1970,  THERE HAVE BEEN 27  HIJACKINGS WHEREIN
THE HIJACKERS'  EXTORTIONATE DEMANDS AMOUNTED TO DOLS
121,944,100  OF WHICH DOLS 6,656,250  WAS ACTUALLY PAID.
OF THE RANSOM DEMANDS PAID,  ONLY DOLS 2,200, OOO REMAINS
OUTSTANDING,  DOLS 2,000,000  OF WHICH IS PRESENTLY IN
LITIGATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE NOVEMBER 10, 1972,
HIJACKING OF A SOUTHERN AIRWAYS FLIGHT.   THE REMAINING
DOLS 200,000  WAS PAID TO A STILL UNIDENTIFIED HIJACKER
KNOWN ONLY AS D. B.  COOPER WHO HIJACKED A PLANE ON
THANKSGIVING EVE, 1971,  AND BAILED OUT SOMEWHERE OVER THE
STATES OF WASHINGTON OR OREGON.   THE DOLS 200,000  PAID TO
D. B.  COOPER IS THE ONLY MONEY UNACCOUNTED FOR."  UNQTE

2.   LEGATT MANAGUA WILL PROVIDE FURTHER DETAILS.    ROGERS


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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3151 on: August 02, 2018, 09:28:16 AM »
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Both, the $303k was publicized right after the hijacking and a year later when recovered..


My "guess" is that the $303k was the initial payment to Hahneman in $100's that they could readily obtain.. the much larger $500 and $1000 bill payment was harder to get and took some time. The total Ransom was much much larger than the $303k..  the FBI press release after the recovery a year later is slightly misleading.. it says the $303k given was recovered, not that it was all the money given to Hahneman. It also presses the point that hijackings are not lucrative.. they had to push that narrative to dissuade others..


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MANAGUA FOR LEGATT

1.   FOLLOWING IS FULL TEXT OF PRESS RELEASE ON THIS SUBJECT
ISSUED IN JACKSONVILLE,  FLORIDA ON MAY 8:   QUOTE:
" THE MONEY PAID IN CONNECTION WITH THE HIJACKING OF AN
EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT IN MAY OF 1972  HAS BEEN RECOVERED

AFTER AN EXTENSIVE AND EXHAUSTIVE JOINT INVESTIGATION BY
THE FBI AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
( FDLE).
" WILLIAM M.  ALEXANDER,  SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE OF THE
UNCLASSIFIED

UNCLASSIFIED

PAGE 02   STATE  088847

JACKSONVILLE,  FLORIDA,  OFFICE OF THE FBI,  AND COMMISSIONER
WILLIAM L.  REED OF THE FDLE,  IN A JOINT RELEASE TODAY,
ANNOUNCED THAT THE DOLS 303,000  WHICH HAD BEEN PAID TO
FREDERICK WILLIAM HAHNEMAN ON MAY 5,  L972,  AT DULLES
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT,  CHANTILLY,  VIRGINIA,  IN CONNECTION
WITH THE HIJACKING OF EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT 175  FROM
ALLENTOWN,  PENNSYLVANIA,  TO MIAMI,  FLORIDA,  HAS BEEN
RECOVERED
BY AGENTS OF THE FDLE AND THE JACKSONVILLE OFFICE
OF THE FBI.

" UPON RECOVERY OF THE MONEY,  A CHECK WAS MADE OF THE
NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER,  FBI HEADQUARTERS,
WASHINGTON,  D.  C.,  WHICH DETERMINED THE SERIAL NUMBERS
TALLIED WITH THE RANSOM MONEY PAID
IN CONNECTION WITH THE
HIJACKING.

" ON MAY 5, 1972,  EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT 175  WAS
HIJACKED BY A LONE ARMED GUNMAN WHO DEMANDED AND RECEIVED
DOLS 303,000
,  PARACHUTES,  JUMP SUITS,  HELMETS,  KNIVES,  AND
2,000  BENSON AND HEDGES CIGARETTES.   AFTER THE MONEY AND
EQUIPMENT HAD BEEN PLACED ABOARD THE AIRCRAFT,  THE
HIJACKER PERMITTED THE PASSENGERS AND ONE STEWARDESS TO
DEPLANE.   THE AIRCRAFT BEARING SIX CREW MEMBERS AND THE
HIJACKER THEN TOOK OFF AND LANDED AT NEW ORLEANS,
LOUISIANA,  WHERE THE HIJACKER AND SIX CREW MEMBERS BOARDED
ANOTHER AIRCRAFT.   DURING THE EARLY MORNING OF MAY 6, 1972,
OVER THE JUNGLES NEAR A SMALL TOWN OF YORO,  HONDURAS,  THE
HIJACKER BAILED OUT THROUGH THE LOWERED REAR DOOR.

" THE HIJACKER WAS LATER IDENTIFIED AS FREDERICK WILLIAM
HAHNEMAN,  A 49- YEAR- OLD EASTON,  PENNSYLVANIA,  MAN.   ON
JUNE 3, 1972,  HAHNEMAN SURRENDERED TO AUTHORITIES AT THE
AMERICAN EMBASSY IN HONDURAS AND HE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY
RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES.   ON SEPTEMBER 29, 1972,
HAHNEMAN WAS SENTENCED IN U. S.  DISTRICT COURT,  ALEXANDRIA,
VIRGINIA,  TO LIFE IMPRISONMENT.

" ALEXANDER AND REED STATED THAT THE MONEY WAS BEING TURNED
OVER TO EASTERN AIRLINES OFFICIALS.

" THE FBI SAID THIS RECOVERY SHOWS THAT HIJACKING AN
UNCLASSIFIED

UNCLASSIFIED

PAGE 03   STATE  088847

AIRPLANE FOR EXTORTIONATE DEMANDS IS NOT VERY PROFITABLE.
SINCE JUNE 4, 1970,  THERE HAVE BEEN 27  HIJACKINGS WHEREIN
THE HIJACKERS'  EXTORTIONATE DEMANDS AMOUNTED TO DOLS
121,944,100  OF WHICH DOLS 6,656,250  WAS ACTUALLY PAID.
OF THE RANSOM DEMANDS PAID,  ONLY DOLS 2,200, OOO REMAINS
OUTSTANDING,  DOLS 2,000,000  OF WHICH IS PRESENTLY IN
LITIGATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE NOVEMBER 10, 1972,
HIJACKING OF A SOUTHERN AIRWAYS FLIGHT.   THE REMAINING
DOLS 200,000  WAS PAID TO A STILL UNIDENTIFIED HIJACKER
KNOWN ONLY AS D. B.  COOPER WHO HIJACKED A PLANE ON
THANKSGIVING EVE, 1971,  AND BAILED OUT SOMEWHERE OVER THE
STATES OF WASHINGTON OR OREGON.   THE DOLS 200,000  PAID TO
D. B.  COOPER IS THE ONLY MONEY UNACCOUNTED FOR."  UNQTE

2.   LEGATT MANAGUA WILL PROVIDE FURTHER DETAILS.    ROGERS


UNCLASSIFIED
NMAFVVZCZ

I remember the bit about them bringing him $303k in $100s, and him insisting on it being exchanged for a mixed package of $500 bills and $1,000 bills.  I always thought that it was odd that they said they exchanged the larger bills for an equal amount of the smaller bills that Hahnemann had already been given.  If you're a hijacker, and you have $303k, and the FBI shows up with something like $150k more, why would you give back the original $303k?  They have already shown that they are willing to give you large sums of money to stop you from killing the hostages.  Their only stall tactic would be to say that they can't get that amount of money together on such short notice, but that tactic is rendered moot once you have one bundle of cash, and they have brought the other onboard.  I had wondered whether sending them back for larger bills was a counter-measure, if he thought the bills were marked.  Even that doesn't make sense, though.  He gave them something like 5 hours to track down the money.  That should be plenty of time to record the serial numbers.

The problem that I have with your theory is that it seems like you're saying that the FBI neglecting to say that it was "all" of the money is an indication that there was more money than that.  This would be fine, except that I'm pretty sure that the story about him trading back an equal amount from the original $303k came from FBI statements.  If your theory is true, that would mean that the original FBI story was a lie.  If that's the case, then it's tough to say that the FBI omitted information to mislead people into thinking that the $303k was "all" of the money.  Based on what I believe is your theory, the FBI obviously didn't have a problem with lying about the amount at the time of the hijacking.  So, why would they have a problem with it after the $303k was found?  My guess is that it's more likely that the person who made the statement just neglected to specify that it was the full ransom.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3152 on: August 02, 2018, 09:49:10 AM »
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Both, the $303k was publicized right after the hijacking and a year later when recovered..


My "guess" is that the $303k was the initial payment to Hahneman in $100's that they could readily obtain.. the much larger $500 and $1000 bill payment was harder to get and took some time. The total Ransom was much much larger than the $303k..  the FBI press release after the recovery a year later is slightly misleading.. it says the $303k given was recovered, not that it was all the money given to Hahneman. It also presses the point that hijackings are not lucrative.. they had to push that narrative to dissuade others..


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MANAGUA FOR LEGATT

1.   FOLLOWING IS FULL TEXT OF PRESS RELEASE ON THIS SUBJECT
ISSUED IN JACKSONVILLE,  FLORIDA ON MAY 8:   QUOTE:
" THE MONEY PAID IN CONNECTION WITH THE HIJACKING OF AN
EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT IN MAY OF 1972  HAS BEEN RECOVERED

AFTER AN EXTENSIVE AND EXHAUSTIVE JOINT INVESTIGATION BY
THE FBI AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
( FDLE).
" WILLIAM M.  ALEXANDER,  SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE OF THE
UNCLASSIFIED

UNCLASSIFIED

PAGE 02   STATE  088847

JACKSONVILLE,  FLORIDA,  OFFICE OF THE FBI,  AND COMMISSIONER
WILLIAM L.  REED OF THE FDLE,  IN A JOINT RELEASE TODAY,
ANNOUNCED THAT THE DOLS 303,000  WHICH HAD BEEN PAID TO
FREDERICK WILLIAM HAHNEMAN ON MAY 5,  L972,  AT DULLES
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT,  CHANTILLY,  VIRGINIA,  IN CONNECTION
WITH THE HIJACKING OF EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT 175  FROM
ALLENTOWN,  PENNSYLVANIA,  TO MIAMI,  FLORIDA,  HAS BEEN
RECOVERED
BY AGENTS OF THE FDLE AND THE JACKSONVILLE OFFICE
OF THE FBI.

" UPON RECOVERY OF THE MONEY,  A CHECK WAS MADE OF THE
NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER,  FBI HEADQUARTERS,
WASHINGTON,  D.  C.,  WHICH DETERMINED THE SERIAL NUMBERS
TALLIED WITH THE RANSOM MONEY PAID
IN CONNECTION WITH THE
HIJACKING.

" ON MAY 5, 1972,  EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT 175  WAS
HIJACKED BY A LONE ARMED GUNMAN WHO DEMANDED AND RECEIVED
DOLS 303,000
,  PARACHUTES,  JUMP SUITS,  HELMETS,  KNIVES,  AND
2,000  BENSON AND HEDGES CIGARETTES.   AFTER THE MONEY AND
EQUIPMENT HAD BEEN PLACED ABOARD THE AIRCRAFT,  THE
HIJACKER PERMITTED THE PASSENGERS AND ONE STEWARDESS TO
DEPLANE.   THE AIRCRAFT BEARING SIX CREW MEMBERS AND THE
HIJACKER THEN TOOK OFF AND LANDED AT NEW ORLEANS,
LOUISIANA,  WHERE THE HIJACKER AND SIX CREW MEMBERS BOARDED
ANOTHER AIRCRAFT.   DURING THE EARLY MORNING OF MAY 6, 1972,
OVER THE JUNGLES NEAR A SMALL TOWN OF YORO,  HONDURAS,  THE
HIJACKER BAILED OUT THROUGH THE LOWERED REAR DOOR.

" THE HIJACKER WAS LATER IDENTIFIED AS FREDERICK WILLIAM
HAHNEMAN,  A 49- YEAR- OLD EASTON,  PENNSYLVANIA,  MAN.   ON
JUNE 3, 1972,  HAHNEMAN SURRENDERED TO AUTHORITIES AT THE
AMERICAN EMBASSY IN HONDURAS AND HE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY
RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES.   ON SEPTEMBER 29, 1972,
HAHNEMAN WAS SENTENCED IN U. S.  DISTRICT COURT,  ALEXANDRIA,
VIRGINIA,  TO LIFE IMPRISONMENT.

" ALEXANDER AND REED STATED THAT THE MONEY WAS BEING TURNED
OVER TO EASTERN AIRLINES OFFICIALS.

" THE FBI SAID THIS RECOVERY SHOWS THAT HIJACKING AN
UNCLASSIFIED

UNCLASSIFIED

PAGE 03   STATE  088847

AIRPLANE FOR EXTORTIONATE DEMANDS IS NOT VERY PROFITABLE.
SINCE JUNE 4, 1970,  THERE HAVE BEEN 27  HIJACKINGS WHEREIN
THE HIJACKERS'  EXTORTIONATE DEMANDS AMOUNTED TO DOLS
121,944,100  OF WHICH DOLS 6,656,250  WAS ACTUALLY PAID.
OF THE RANSOM DEMANDS PAID,  ONLY DOLS 2,200, OOO REMAINS
OUTSTANDING,  DOLS 2,000,000  OF WHICH IS PRESENTLY IN
LITIGATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE NOVEMBER 10, 1972,
HIJACKING OF A SOUTHERN AIRWAYS FLIGHT.   THE REMAINING
DOLS 200,000  WAS PAID TO A STILL UNIDENTIFIED HIJACKER
KNOWN ONLY AS D. B.  COOPER WHO HIJACKED A PLANE ON
THANKSGIVING EVE, 1971,  AND BAILED OUT SOMEWHERE OVER THE
STATES OF WASHINGTON OR OREGON.   THE DOLS 200,000  PAID TO
D. B.  COOPER IS THE ONLY MONEY UNACCOUNTED FOR."  UNQTE

2.   LEGATT MANAGUA WILL PROVIDE FURTHER DETAILS.    ROGERS


UNCLASSIFIED
NMAFVVZCZ

I remember the bit about them bringing him $303k in $100s, and him insisting on it being exchanged for a mixed package of $500 bills and $1,000 bills.  I always thought that it was odd that they said they exchanged the larger bills for an equal amount of the smaller bills that Hahnemann had already been given.  If you're a hijacker, and you have $303k, and the FBI shows up with something like $150k more, why would you give back the original $303k?  They have already shown that they are willing to give you large sums of money to stop you from killing the hostages.  Their only stall tactic would be to say that they can't get that amount of money together on such short notice, but that tactic is rendered moot once you have one bundle of cash, and they have brought the other onboard.  I had wondered whether sending them back for larger bills was a counter-measure, if he thought the bills were marked.  Even that doesn't make sense, though.  He gave them something like 5 hours to track down the money.  That should be plenty of time to record the serial numbers.

The problem that I have with your theory is that it seems like you're saying that the FBI neglecting to say that it was "all" of the money is an indication that there was more money than that.  This would be fine, except that I'm pretty sure that the story about him trading back an equal amount from the original $303k came from FBI statements.  If your theory is true, that would mean that the original FBI story was a lie.  If that's the case, then it's tough to say that the FBI omitted information to mislead people into thinking that the $303k was "all" of the money.  Based on what I believe is your theory, the FBI obviously didn't have a problem with lying about the amount at the time of the hijacking.  So, why would they have a problem with it after the $303k was found?  My guess is that it's more likely that the person who made the statement just neglected to specify that it was the full ransom.

Also, I think Shutter made a really good point about Hahneman back in post 2586 of this thread.  The quote was:

"I don't see a lot of his MO being similar...he's violent, he used physical force. he spoke more with the pilots than the stews...nothing matching..

This guy demanded larger bills, all Cooper did was show displeasure when he didn't get the knapsack he requested..his pattern would of made them replace the bag with what he originally requested (knapsack) Hahneman probably would of made them leave the stairs down no matter what they said...
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 10:48:03 PM by Shutter »"

Sending back the original ransom for larger bills, requiring him to wait several hours, was a really risky move.  I feel like having the bills delivered in the wrong type of container, and having to jerry-rig a harness for the ransom (the whole point of the hijacking) seems like a much bigger problem than adding a few pounds of weight to the bag by using smaller bills, especially since $500 and $1,000 bills are a lot tougher to introduce back into circulation.  I can't see how a guy who would sit on a plane for hours just to get the right denomination of bills would have previously accepted a ransom in the wrong kind of container.

That having been said, I could see a scenario in which Hahneman asked for a ransom, fully expecting to express dissatisfaction with whatever was delivered.  Then, when the money was delivered, made the complaint about the denominations to get them to bring a second bag of money onboard.  When the second bag was brought onboard, he could have refused to give up the first, increasing the total take.  If that had happened, I can see the FBI being embarrassed, and wanting to cover it up.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3153 on: August 02, 2018, 10:16:57 AM »
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The problem that I have with your theory is that it seems like you're saying that the FBI neglecting to say that it was "all" of the money is an indication that there was more money than that.  This would be fine, except that I'm pretty sure that the story about him trading back an equal amount from the original $303k came from FBI statements.  If your theory is true, that would mean that the original FBI story was a lie.  If that's the case, then it's tough to say that the FBI omitted information to mislead people into thinking that the $303k was "all" of the money.  Based on what I believe is your theory, the FBI obviously didn't have a problem with lying about the amount at the time of the hijacking.  So, why would they have a problem with it after the $303k was found?  My guess is that it's more likely that the person who made the statement just neglected to specify that it was the full ransom.

That is it,, the FBI's original statement was a lie or a half truth.. to hide the total ransom amount.

I found evidence that the total ransom was much much higher and where the money went.. I have the exact amount.

From reading all the media reports Hahneman asked for large bills, they only had 100's and gave him the $303 grand.

They claim he rejected the $303 grand for larger bills but that makes no sense. It is more likely that the $303 grand was a partial ransom and the $500 and $1000 bills made up the rest as they needed more time to gather. However, it went down exactly is not the takeaway.. the takeaway is that they lied.

They understated the total ransom and hid the recipient.. it is clear why they did.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2018, 01:14:24 PM by FLYJACK »
 

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« Reply #3154 on: August 02, 2018, 11:03:34 AM »
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Also, I think Shutter made a really good point about Hahneman back in post 2586 of this thread.  The quote was:

"I don't see a lot of his MO being similar...he's violent, he used physical force. he spoke more with the pilots than the stews...nothing matching..

This guy demanded larger bills, all Cooper did was show displeasure when he didn't get the knapsack he requested..his pattern would of made them replace the bag with what he originally requested (knapsack) Hahneman probably would of made them leave the stairs down no matter what they said...
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 10:48:03 PM by Shutter »"

Sending back the original ransom for larger bills, requiring him to wait several hours, was a really risky move.  I feel like having the bills delivered in the wrong type of container, and having to jerry-rig a harness for the ransom (the whole point of the hijacking) seems like a much bigger problem than adding a few pounds of weight to the bag by using smaller bills, especially since $500 and $1,000 bills are a lot tougher to introduce back into circulation.  I can't see how a guy who would sit on a plane for hours just to get the right denomination of bills would have previously accepted a ransom in the wrong kind of container.

That having been said, I could see a scenario in which Hahneman asked for a ransom, fully expecting to express dissatisfaction with whatever was delivered.  Then, when the money was delivered, made the complaint about the denominations to get them to bring a second bag of money onboard.  When the second bag was brought onboard, he could have refused to give up the first, increasing the total take.  If that had happened, I can see the FBI being embarrassed, and wanting to cover it up.

I disagree with Shutter.. the similarities are overwhelming, there are differences but the circumstances are as well. You wouldn't expect them to be identical, especially (if) the second time around. There is nothing that eliminates Hahneman as Cooper.

The $303 grand is a small fraction of the total ransom.. if he demanded replacement and kept both that doesn't come close to the total..

The FBI also faked a mechanical problem with the plane in attempt to delay Hahneman. He demanded another plane instead of a repair. They backed up another plane and Hahneman had to move from one to the other. That made him vulnerable to sniper's.. he held the Captain close at gunpoint to make the transition.

This was a time when hijackings were frequent and it makes sense that the FBI wanted to downplay them. In this case they vastly understated the ransom and later the recipient. The $303 grand recovery a year later may have been a partial recovery or pure propaganda.

The takeaway is they lied.. and they must have looked at Hahneman for NORJAK but they have never said anything for or against. They covered-up key facts about the 1972 Hahneman hijacking and IF Hahneman was Cooper and the money went to the same place they would have had to cover that up as well. I suspect Hahneman and his cousin, a UN voting member cut a deal.. Hahneman got a light sentence and the CIA had influence at the UN... NORJAK was buried, the FBI shifted to a "died in the jump" narrative.

It is not proof that Cooper was Hahneman, but if he was it explains why there was no connection made by the FBI. You'd expect the FBI to at least explain why Hahneman wasn't Cooper, they never did.

and those Cooper cigarette butts disappeared...
« Last Edit: August 02, 2018, 11:31:43 AM by FLYJACK »
 

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Also, I think Shutter made a really good point about Hahneman back in post 2586 of this thread.  The quote was:

"I don't see a lot of his MO being similar...he's violent, he used physical force. he spoke more with the pilots than the stews...nothing matching..

This guy demanded larger bills, all Cooper did was show displeasure when he didn't get the knapsack he requested..his pattern would of made them replace the bag with what he originally requested (knapsack) Hahneman probably would of made them leave the stairs down no matter what they said...
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 10:48:03 PM by Shutter »"

Sending back the original ransom for larger bills, requiring him to wait several hours, was a really risky move.  I feel like having the bills delivered in the wrong type of container, and having to jerry-rig a harness for the ransom (the whole point of the hijacking) seems like a much bigger problem than adding a few pounds of weight to the bag by using smaller bills, especially since $500 and $1,000 bills are a lot tougher to introduce back into circulation.  I can't see how a guy who would sit on a plane for hours just to get the right denomination of bills would have previously accepted a ransom in the wrong kind of container.

That having been said, I could see a scenario in which Hahneman asked for a ransom, fully expecting to express dissatisfaction with whatever was delivered.  Then, when the money was delivered, made the complaint about the denominations to get them to bring a second bag of money onboard.  When the second bag was brought onboard, he could have refused to give up the first, increasing the total take.  If that had happened, I can see the FBI being embarrassed, and wanting to cover it up.

I disagree with Shutter.. the similarities are overwhelming, there are differences but the circumstances are as well. You wouldn't expect them to be identical, especially (if) the second time around. There is nothing that eliminates Hahneman as Cooper.

The $303 grand is a small fraction of the total ransom.. if he demanded replacement and kept both that doesn't come close to the total..

The FBI also faked a mechanical problem with the plane in attempt to delay Hahneman. He demanded another plane instead of a repair. They backed up another plane and Hahneman had to move from one to the other. That made him vulnerable to sniper's.. he held the Captain close at gunpoint to make the transition.

This was a time when hijackings were frequent and it makes sense that the FBI wanted to downplay them. In this case they vastly understated the ransom and later the recipient. The $303 grand recovery a year later may have been a partial recovery or pure propaganda.

The takeaway is they lied.. and they must have looked at Hahneman for NORJAK but they have never said anything for or against. They covered-up key facts about the 1972 Hahneman hijacking and IF Hahneman was Cooper and the money went to the same place they would have had to cover that up as well. I suspect Hahneman and his cousin, a UN voting member cut a deal.. Hahneman got a light sentence and the CIA had influence at the UN... NORJAK was buried, the FBI shifted to a "died in the jump" narrative.

It is not proof that Cooper was Hahneman, but if he was it explains why there was no connection made by the FBI. You'd expect the FBI to at least explain why Hahneman wasn't Cooper, they never did.

and those Cooper cigarette butts disappeared...

I see where you're going with this, but I feel like any signs of FBI cover-up in the Hahneman case would be much more easily explained by the embarrassment that there surely would be if they were stupid enough to bring a replacement bag of ransom money onto the plane, and end up losing that, too.  Nobody wants to look like a Keystone Cop.
 

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A suspect named Dick Lepsy is the only person attached to the Cooper case with two front teeth that are crooked that I'm aware of..
I discussed this with Robert Richard Lepsy's daughter, Lisa, and she said her father's teeth slightly overlapped (one slightly in front of the other).  That is what she meant by "crooked".
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Also, I think Shutter made a really good point about Hahneman back in post 2586 of this thread.  The quote was:

"I don't see a lot of his MO being similar...he's violent, he used physical force. he spoke more with the pilots than the stews...nothing matching..

This guy demanded larger bills, all Cooper did was show displeasure when he didn't get the knapsack he requested..his pattern would of made them replace the bag with what he originally requested (knapsack) Hahneman probably would of made them leave the stairs down no matter what they said...
« Last Edit: April 23, 2018, 10:48:03 PM by Shutter »"

Sending back the original ransom for larger bills, requiring him to wait several hours, was a really risky move.  I feel like having the bills delivered in the wrong type of container, and having to jerry-rig a harness for the ransom (the whole point of the hijacking) seems like a much bigger problem than adding a few pounds of weight to the bag by using smaller bills, especially since $500 and $1,000 bills are a lot tougher to introduce back into circulation.  I can't see how a guy who would sit on a plane for hours just to get the right denomination of bills would have previously accepted a ransom in the wrong kind of container.

That having been said, I could see a scenario in which Hahneman asked for a ransom, fully expecting to express dissatisfaction with whatever was delivered.  Then, when the money was delivered, made the complaint about the denominations to get them to bring a second bag of money onboard.  When the second bag was brought onboard, he could have refused to give up the first, increasing the total take.  If that had happened, I can see the FBI being embarrassed, and wanting to cover it up.

I disagree with Shutter.. the similarities are overwhelming, there are differences but the circumstances are as well. You wouldn't expect them to be identical, especially (if) the second time around. There is nothing that eliminates Hahneman as Cooper.

The $303 grand is a small fraction of the total ransom.. if he demanded replacement and kept both that doesn't come close to the total..

The FBI also faked a mechanical problem with the plane in attempt to delay Hahneman. He demanded another plane instead of a repair. They backed up another plane and Hahneman had to move from one to the other. That made him vulnerable to sniper's.. he held the Captain close at gunpoint to make the transition.

This was a time when hijackings were frequent and it makes sense that the FBI wanted to downplay them. In this case they vastly understated the ransom and later the recipient. The $303 grand recovery a year later may have been a partial recovery or pure propaganda.

The takeaway is they lied.. and they must have looked at Hahneman for NORJAK but they have never said anything for or against. They covered-up key facts about the 1972 Hahneman hijacking and IF Hahneman was Cooper and the money went to the same place they would have had to cover that up as well. I suspect Hahneman and his cousin, a UN voting member cut a deal.. Hahneman got a light sentence and the CIA had influence at the UN... NORJAK was buried, the FBI shifted to a "died in the jump" narrative.

It is not proof that Cooper was Hahneman, but if he was it explains why there was no connection made by the FBI. You'd expect the FBI to at least explain why Hahneman wasn't Cooper, they never did.

and those Cooper cigarette butts disappeared...

I see where you're going with this, but I feel like any signs of FBI cover-up in the Hahneman case would be much more easily explained by the embarrassment that there surely would be if they were stupid enough to bring a replacement bag of ransom money onto the plane, and end up losing that, too.  Nobody wants to look like a Keystone Cop.

That still doesn't make sense,,

The total ransom was much much higher than double the $303 grand..  and it doesn't make sense that Hahneman asked to replace the money to save 5 lbs weight..

also,
the recipient of the ransom was a huge embarrassment to the US.
and
the FBI/FAA didn't want to encourage more hijackers (by disclosing the real ransom amount which was probably the highest ever at that time).

My guess is they never exchanged the money and Hahneman never asked for an exchange. The $303 grand was just the initial amount that they could get in $100 bills, the rest to follow as it was hard to get the $500 and $1000 bills.. I'll have to double check the timing, but the hostages may have been released with the first payment.
 

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The total ransom was much much higher than double the $303 grand..  and it doesn't make sense that Hahneman asked to replace the money to save 5 lbs weight..

The total ransom was much higher than double the $303k in your theory.  That doesn't disprove a part of the official story, or any other theory, unless it's proven to be a fact.  What I'm saying is that I don't think Hahneman cared about saving the 5lbs weight.  If they had brought him the original ransom in $500s and $1,000s, he could have said that he needed $100s, because the larger bills are too traceable.  I think the theory that his plan was to find a problem with the ransom no matter what, in order to take two ransoms, is much more likely than the idea that he took a huge ransom, and then returned a small fraction of it in exchange for a lighter sentence and political favors from a member of his family.

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also,
the recipient of the ransom was a huge embarrassment to the US.
and
the FBI/FAA didn't want to encourage more hijackers (by disclosing the real ransom amount which was probably the highest ever at that time).


The recipient of the ransom being a huge embarrassment to the US assumes that your theory of who it went to is true, and that a payoff to a government official is more embarrassing to the government than having some random person extort them for a huge chunk of money, and get away with it.  I have issues with both of those things.  I'm not saying that they are impossible, but do you really think that the CIA couldn't find a better way to come up with the amount of money that a couple of bank branches can produce in 5-6 hours?  I would think that there would be easier ways to come up with the money if they wanted to pay someone off.  In fact, there must have been an easier way for them to get the money, even if your theory is true.  If the second dollar amount was really so much larger, where did they get it, and how did they account for it not being returned when they had said that the ransom was recovered?  I also think that they wouldn't have added fuel to the fire with the skyjacking trend, by letting someone get away with a skyjacking just to pay someone off.  I can't see that being viewed as less embarrassing than possibly being caught paying off a government official in another country.

I think that your theory is intriguing, but I feel like it's a tough sell without an explanation of where the extra money came from, how they were able to get away with not returning it, and why they didn't just go to that source in the first place instead of staging a skyjacking.
 

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« Reply #3159 on: August 03, 2018, 10:33:05 AM »
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The total ransom was much much higher than double the $303 grand..  and it doesn't make sense that Hahneman asked to replace the money to save 5 lbs weight..

The total ransom was much higher than double the $303k in your theory.  That doesn't disprove a part of the official story, or any other theory, unless it's proven to be a fact.  What I'm saying is that I don't think Hahneman cared about saving the 5lbs weight.  If they had brought him the original ransom in $500s and $1,000s, he could have said that he needed $100s, because the larger bills are too traceable.  I think the theory that his plan was to find a problem with the ransom no matter what, in order to take two ransoms, is much more likely than the idea that he took a huge ransom, and then returned a small fraction of it in exchange for a lighter sentence and political favors from a member of his family.

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also,
the recipient of the ransom was a huge embarrassment to the US.
and
the FBI/FAA didn't want to encourage more hijackers (by disclosing the real ransom amount which was probably the highest ever at that time).


The recipient of the ransom being a huge embarrassment to the US assumes that your theory of who it went to is true, and that a payoff to a government official is more embarrassing to the government than having some random person extort them for a huge chunk of money, and get away with it.  I have issues with both of those things.  I'm not saying that they are impossible, but do you really think that the CIA couldn't find a better way to come up with the amount of money that a couple of bank branches can produce in 5-6 hours?  I would think that there would be easier ways to come up with the money if they wanted to pay someone off.  In fact, there must have been an easier way for them to get the money, even if your theory is true.  If the second dollar amount was really so much larger, where did they get it, and how did they account for it not being returned when they had said that the ransom was recovered?  I also think that they wouldn't have added fuel to the fire with the skyjacking trend, by letting someone get away with a skyjacking just to pay someone off.  I can't see that being viewed as less embarrassing than possibly being caught paying off a government official in another country.

I think that your theory is intriguing, but I feel like it's a tough sell without an explanation of where the extra money came from, how they were able to get away with not returning it, and why they didn't just go to that source in the first place instead of staging a skyjacking.

At the time the media quoted Hahneman's claim that the money went to the Chinese Communist Bank in Hong Kong via a Panamanian connection. That is consistent with the final recipient.

The problem was the $500 and $1000 bills were very rare at the time and the total ransom could not be supplied in $100's because it was far too heavy. So, there was no way they could come up with the money in short notice and meet Hahneman's demand. The total ransom amount was the largest at the time.. If they could get the total in $100's, it would have been far too heavy.. So, they had to get $500/$1000's and that took some time to gather.

What do you mean staging a hijacking? the FBI/CIA/FAA covered-up the total ransom amount and the recipient of the money. My source is very solid. The media/FBI "facts" don't support their own narrative, my info explains why.

Why they lied,,
The ransom was the largest ever.
The recipient was a political enemy of the US and very embarrassing.
They were pursuing a PR narrative that hijacking doesn't pay.


This isn't just a theory, this is solid.. they lied.

The "theory" is the potential relationship to Cooper. If Hahenman was Cooper, the cover-up would have extended to NORJAK especially if the money went to the same recipient.



 

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« Reply #3160 on: August 03, 2018, 10:41:19 AM »
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1. AT 1500 HOURS MAR 4, STEWART DITZEN OF PHILADELPHIA
BULLETIN CALLED AMB SANCHEZ AND ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT
RECOVERY OF WILLIAM HAHNEMAN RANSOM MONEY IN EAL SKY-
JACKING. HE IS DEVELOPING STORY AS TO HOW MONEY WAS
RETURNED IN MAY 1973
. AMB SANCHEZ ADVISED THAT ALL
OF HAHNEMAN DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING MONEY RECOVERY,
TOOK PLACE BEFORE HIS ARRIVAL IN HONDURAS.

2. DITZEN SAID HE HAD DISCUSSED CASE WITH EX-CONSUL
MCLEAN (NOW RETIRED) AND WITH AMB RYAN. HE ASKED IF
THERE WERE ANYONE ELSE AT POST WHO WAS FAMILIAR WITH
CASE AND WAS REFERRED TO DCM DAVIS. DITZEN SAID
HE WAS INTERESTED IN DETAILS OF RETURN OF MONEY
AND ASKED WHAT DAVIS KNEW. DAVIS SAID HE COULD
NOT COMMENT ON MATTER, THAT FBI AND FLORIDA CRIME
CONFIDENTIAL

CONFIDENTIAL

PAGE 02  TEGUCI 00913  042211Z

COMMISSION HAD MADE SOME STATEMENT, DETAILS OF WHICH
HE COULD NOT EXACTLY REMEMBER. DITZEN SAID THAT
STATEMENT MERELY SAID ALL THE MONEY WAS RECOVERED
AND WAS "BARE BONES."
DAVIS CONFIRMED THAT AS HIS
GENERAL RECOLLECTION. DITZEN ASKED WHETHER DAVIS WAS
UNKNOWING, OR SIMPLY WOULD NOT COMMENT, AND WHETHER
EMBASSY HAD PLAYED ANY ROLE IN EPISODE OF MONEY RECOVERY.
DAVIS REPLIED THAT THE FBI STATEMENT WAS THE GOVERNMENT
INFORMATION ON THE SUBJECT, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO STAND
BY ITSELF.
DITZEN NOTED HE HAD HOPED FOR MORE COOPERA-
TION, BUT RANG OFF WITHOUT PRESSING POINT FURTHER.
SANCHEZ


CONFIDENTIAL
 

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« Reply #3161 on: August 03, 2018, 12:09:49 PM »
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1. AT 1500 HOURS MAR 4, STEWART DITZEN OF PHILADELPHIA
BULLETIN CALLED AMB SANCHEZ AND ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT
RECOVERY OF WILLIAM HAHNEMAN RANSOM MONEY IN EAL SKY-
JACKING. HE IS DEVELOPING STORY AS TO HOW MONEY WAS
RETURNED IN MAY 1973
. AMB SANCHEZ ADVISED THAT ALL
OF HAHNEMAN DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING MONEY RECOVERY,
TOOK PLACE BEFORE HIS ARRIVAL IN HONDURAS.

2. DITZEN SAID HE HAD DISCUSSED CASE WITH EX-CONSUL
MCLEAN (NOW RETIRED) AND WITH AMB RYAN. HE ASKED IF
THERE WERE ANYONE ELSE AT POST WHO WAS FAMILIAR WITH
CASE AND WAS REFERRED TO DCM DAVIS. DITZEN SAID
HE WAS INTERESTED IN DETAILS OF RETURN OF MONEY
AND ASKED WHAT DAVIS KNEW. DAVIS SAID HE COULD
NOT COMMENT ON MATTER, THAT FBI AND FLORIDA CRIME
CONFIDENTIAL

CONFIDENTIAL

PAGE 02  TEGUCI 00913  042211Z

COMMISSION HAD MADE SOME STATEMENT, DETAILS OF WHICH
HE COULD NOT EXACTLY REMEMBER. DITZEN SAID THAT
STATEMENT MERELY SAID ALL THE MONEY WAS RECOVERED
AND WAS "BARE BONES."
DAVIS CONFIRMED THAT AS HIS
GENERAL RECOLLECTION. DITZEN ASKED WHETHER DAVIS WAS
UNKNOWING, OR SIMPLY WOULD NOT COMMENT, AND WHETHER
EMBASSY HAD PLAYED ANY ROLE IN EPISODE OF MONEY RECOVERY.
DAVIS REPLIED THAT THE FBI STATEMENT WAS THE GOVERNMENT
INFORMATION ON THE SUBJECT, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO STAND
BY ITSELF.
DITZEN NOTED HE HAD HOPED FOR MORE COOPERA-
TION, BUT RANG OFF WITHOUT PRESSING POINT FURTHER.
SANCHEZ


CONFIDENTIAL

I don't see where this is saying that the ransom was larger than the $303k reported.  Also, it seems to just be quoting Ditzen's hazy recollection of a statement from the FBI and Florida Crime Commission.  Is that statement classified?  If not, why rely on a wikileaks document, quoting someone's recollection of the statement?  If it is classified, is that source document available on wikileaks?

I just don't see where this proves that the ransom was larger than reported.

Also, if your theory is that Hahneman was Cooper, and that the cover-up extends to Norjak, do you also theorize that Cooper asked for (and received) more than the reported $200k?
 

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1. AT 1500 HOURS MAR 4, STEWART DITZEN OF PHILADELPHIA
BULLETIN CALLED AMB SANCHEZ AND ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT
RECOVERY OF WILLIAM HAHNEMAN RANSOM MONEY IN EAL SKY-
JACKING. HE IS DEVELOPING STORY AS TO HOW MONEY WAS
RETURNED IN MAY 1973
. AMB SANCHEZ ADVISED THAT ALL
OF HAHNEMAN DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING MONEY RECOVERY,
TOOK PLACE BEFORE HIS ARRIVAL IN HONDURAS.

2. DITZEN SAID HE HAD DISCUSSED CASE WITH EX-CONSUL
MCLEAN (NOW RETIRED) AND WITH AMB RYAN. HE ASKED IF
THERE WERE ANYONE ELSE AT POST WHO WAS FAMILIAR WITH
CASE AND WAS REFERRED TO DCM DAVIS. DITZEN SAID
HE WAS INTERESTED IN DETAILS OF RETURN OF MONEY
AND ASKED WHAT DAVIS KNEW. DAVIS SAID HE COULD
NOT COMMENT ON MATTER, THAT FBI AND FLORIDA CRIME
CONFIDENTIAL

CONFIDENTIAL

PAGE 02  TEGUCI 00913  042211Z

COMMISSION HAD MADE SOME STATEMENT, DETAILS OF WHICH
HE COULD NOT EXACTLY REMEMBER. DITZEN SAID THAT
STATEMENT MERELY SAID ALL THE MONEY WAS RECOVERED
AND WAS "BARE BONES."
DAVIS CONFIRMED THAT AS HIS
GENERAL RECOLLECTION. DITZEN ASKED WHETHER DAVIS WAS
UNKNOWING, OR SIMPLY WOULD NOT COMMENT, AND WHETHER
EMBASSY HAD PLAYED ANY ROLE IN EPISODE OF MONEY RECOVERY.
DAVIS REPLIED THAT THE FBI STATEMENT WAS THE GOVERNMENT
INFORMATION ON THE SUBJECT, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO STAND
BY ITSELF.
DITZEN NOTED HE HAD HOPED FOR MORE COOPERA-
TION, BUT RANG OFF WITHOUT PRESSING POINT FURTHER.
SANCHEZ


CONFIDENTIAL

I don't see where this is saying that the ransom was larger than the $303k reported.  Also, it seems to just be quoting Ditzen's hazy recollection of a statement from the FBI and Florida Crime Commission.  Is that statement classified?  If not, why rely on a wikileaks document, quoting someone's recollection of the statement?  If it is classified, is that source document available on wikileaks?

I just don't see where this proves that the ransom was larger than reported.

Also, if your theory is that Hahneman was Cooper, and that the cover-up extends to Norjak, do you also theorize that Cooper asked for (and received) more than the reported $200k?

That is not the evidence/proof I have of a higher ransom and identified recipient.. I won't disclose that here publicly. I have an exact amount and individual recipient identified from a primary source.

That document just confirms that the FBI ransom statement is all they will disclose. Virtually nothing. compared to other hijackers they have disclosed almost nothing.

No, I don't believe Cooper asked for more money..

Hahneman's hijacking and cover-up occurred 7 months plus after NORJAK..

So, in theory, if Hahneman was Cooper the cover-up would be restricted to Hahneman's involvement and possibly the recipient of the money.


They covered-up key details in the Hahneman hijacking. Hahneman's cousin (like a brother to him) was a voting member at the UN. Once captured, Hahneman and his cousin had leverage to negotiate..

Hahneman got a light sentence.. out in 12 years.
Hahneman (claimed) he was dying of cancer, he could get treatment in US. Voluntarily returned to US.
The State Department/CIA got influence in the UN, I have evidence that his cousin was called on to vote Pro US policies. AND they were able to cover-up those embarrassing details about the Hahneman hijacking maintaining the PR that hijackings don't pay.
Hahneman's hijacking took place around the time of the Watergate break-in.. so the FBI and CIA activities were coming under scrutiny.

"Theory" Hahneman's involvement in NORJAK was buried and the narrative shifted to "died in the jump" to protect the '72 Hahneman hijacking cover-up..

It is a win-win for everybody...

Tradeoff - NORJAK goes "officially" unsolved but they can shift to the "died in jump" narrative. They save the embarrassing exposure of the '72 Hahneman hijacking cover-up details and gain influence at the UN.

Hahneman's cousin became the US State Department/CIA's insider at the UN.. he provided inside info and voted pro US policies. That was far more valuable than "publicly" solving NORJAK. (theory)
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That is not the evidence/proof I have of a higher ransom and identified recipient.. I won't disclose that here publicly. I have an exact amount and individual recipient identified from a primary source.


Can you at least give an estimate of the amount?  Are we talking about a million dollars?  Are we talking about ten million?  Also, can you confirm where this extra money came from, and how its disappearance was explained?

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That document just confirms that the FBI ransom statement is all they will disclose. Virtually nothing. compared to other hijackers they have disclosed almost nothing.


The statement did disclose that they recovered all of the ransom money.  Since your argument rests on the ransom being larger than $303k, that seems like the statement says a lot more than "virtually nothing."
 

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That is not the evidence/proof I have of a higher ransom and identified recipient.. I won't disclose that here publicly. I have an exact amount and individual recipient identified from a primary source.


Can you at least give an estimate of the amount?  Are we talking about a million dollars?  Are we talking about ten million?  Also, can you confirm where this extra money came from, and how its disappearance was explained?

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That document just confirms that the FBI ransom statement is all they will disclose. Virtually nothing. compared to other hijackers they have disclosed almost nothing.


The statement did disclose that they recovered all of the ransom money.  Since your argument rests on the ransom being larger than $303k, that seems like the statement says a lot more than "virtually nothing."

Well over a million $s.. No, I don't know how they accounted for it.

The statement response to the Ransom recovery inquiry just confirms what they already released,, so it adds "virtually nothing".