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« Reply #2895 on: May 18, 2018, 11:36:16 AM »
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A false claim,,

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Koenig confirms that some of Laurin's audio recordings include Reca discussing details of the skyjacking that he could not have known unless he was there – such as the fact that 'Cooper' used superglue to conceal his fingerprints and that he offered a handful of money to the stewardess before he jumped, which she refused.

The FBI only made such details of the case public in 2015, but Laurin has cassette recordings of Reca telling him these things between 2008 and 2014.


FALSE, It was posted on DZ in 2007.. by CKRET (Walter Reca probably read DZ)

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"When Tina brought the money to Cooper, Cooper started talking excitedly about it (Flo's assessment about him being child like). He talked about how heavy it was and had Flo hold the bag so she could feel the weight. Tina then joked with Cooper about it being a lot of money and could she have some. Cooper reached into the bag and gave her a bundle of money. Tina then said to him she was just joking and that she could not accept gratuities and handed the bundle back to Cooper."

This is really important, their "case" relies on info that only "Cooper" would know and Reca confirmed in those tapes.

But this is false, this info was out in 2007 not 2015 as they claim. Reca just needed to read DZ to have that info.. the tapes were made after 2008..
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2896 on: May 18, 2018, 11:50:06 AM »
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Found the exact coords for the tree in the trailer,,, way way off the "flightpath"

looks like the plane would have had to have flown East of Mount Rainier



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Terrific find.

Do you know how far this is from the diner where Reca supposedly interacted with the witness Jeff? They mentioned the intersection of where the diner was located (sorry, don't have that info on hand right now).

They claim that this interaction in the diner happened within an hour of the plane taking off from Seattle (or it may have been an hour within the time of the jump). I'd love to know how far this landing spot is from the diner to see how fast Reca would have had to move to get there within an hour. And don't forget --- Reca claims to have injured his leg in the landing, so we'll need to take that into account in determining how fast he would have had to move to get to the diner in time.

The Tavern is in Spokane about 200 miles East of the "tree" 3-4 hour drive..

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Spokane?? I thought they said the diner was around 4 miles outside of Cle Elum(?). When I get more time later on I can go back and dig for that information again to try and clarify.

You are right, the Spokane diner was where he was recruited by spooks...

It was the Teanaway Junction Café where the truck driver met Reca.

That's right. (Mixup over tavern and diner.)  Any idea how far the diner is from the alleged landing zone?

It is about 4 miles from the "tree".

Gotcha. Thanks. So covering around 4 miles of forest terrain at night in loafers while carrying a sack of money on an injured leg in well under an hour. I thought I saw one report that said it was one hour "within the plane taking off from Seattle" and another report that indicated it was one hour "within the time Cooper jumped." If it's the former, that would mean he would have to cover that distance in less than 30 minutes or so.

This went from "wow a new suspect, this is exciting" to "damn, just another false lead, this is disappointing" in a matter of a day.
 

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« Reply #2897 on: May 18, 2018, 12:29:05 PM »
Intriguing photo taken in Grandma's trailer in Stalingrad. Tin foil over the cardboard dresser. Black velvet order of the dragon bird behind cigarillo puffing double secret agent in dark glasses - note color of agent Trump's hair - K-Mart oval photo of cousin Jane on the wall hanging from a wire like grandma used to do in her trailer - cheap trailer paneling from Stalingrad Menards noted by Smith - calendar with country landscape scene possibly a picnic -  what looks like the Cooper FBI hijacking flight path map left side on wall -

where's the black velvet Elvis?   

Super agent has gloves on. Is that a leather coat or a cloth coat? Anyone recognise the style and the maker? JC Penny's at Stalingrad?

Wait a minute - that Order of the Bird icon may be a TV tray?  Who hang's tv trays on the wall? 
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« Reply #2898 on: May 18, 2018, 12:33:44 PM »
eye colour,,,  blue/gray
 

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« Reply #2899 on: May 18, 2018, 12:35:23 PM »
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eye colour,,,  blue/gray

You have an amazing imagination in addition to being super-quick! How many teeth is he missing? What's his dna? Looks like an efficiency apartment or a trailer?

The guy likes cheap art hung on the walls with wires and double stick tape - cant afford a frame? Moves around a lot? Lost in his search for meaning and comfort? When is his next appointment at Social Svcs?  ::)
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« Reply #2900 on: May 18, 2018, 12:45:47 PM »
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Is that a copy of the FBI flight path map on the wall upper left side?

No.  It looks like a map from an atlas or such.  But it is not an aviation map.
 

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« Reply #2901 on: May 18, 2018, 02:10:18 PM »
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Is that a copy of the FBI flight path map on the wall upper left side?

No.  It looks like a map from an atlas or such.  But it is not an aviation map.

That purple line sure looks vaguely like the FP including the westward turn at Portland ? Its a map of something... note what looks like a circle at the BTG position ?

Why is this photo presented? To prove what in regard to Recca? Is this supposed to be Reeca dressed in his Cooper costume? Like the photo of Kenny ina doorway in his Cooper costume complete wth briefcase?
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« Reply #2902 on: May 18, 2018, 02:16:55 PM »
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Is that a copy of the FBI flight path map on the wall upper left side?

No.  It looks like a map from an atlas or such.  But it is not an aviation map.

That purple line sure looks vaguely like the FP including the westward turn at Portland ? Its a map of something... note what looks like a circle at the BTG position ?

Notice that the area left of the purple line is a greener color than the whiteish are to the right of the purple line.  The purple line could be a boundary line or it could be just a marked route (such as AAA used to put on their maps for their customers).

But it is not an aviation map and certainly not the FBI flight path map.  Sorry.
 

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« Reply #2903 on: May 18, 2018, 05:04:45 PM »
I'm developing an in-depth article on Reca and the whole Principia Media investigation. I just hung up the phone with Julie Hurley, who is their media point-person. She confirmed the following:

1. Walter Reca did not know that he was on a 727.
2. Walter was redirected to the aft stairs by a flight attendant.
3. Hurley did not know how Walter actually boarded the plane in the first place.
4. Hurley said that the public's response to their announcement and rollout has been "fantastic."

We talked at length, and she gave me the password to a media file at PM, which I will now explore. She assured me that Vern Jones, the publisher, would get back to me today to discuss this case in more detail. Carl is fielding questions from the Mainstream Media throughout the day, and is exhausted - I'm not surprised, so it is unlikely I will talk with Carl any time soon.

The Big Question I have for Vern is why he and his team didn't talk to any of us, read our postings and books, and why they chose to investigate the DB Cooper story in such an isolated fashion. I told Julie that their story has so many gapping holes in it that one can drive a bus through them.
 

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« Reply #2904 on: May 18, 2018, 05:28:48 PM »
Bruce wrote: "The Big Question I have for Vern is why he and his team didn't talk to any of us, read our postings and books, and why they chose to investigate the DB Cooper story in such an isolated fashion."

Who knows? But I am glad they didn't use the expertise here to correct discrepancies in Reca's flakey story.

The alleged landing area seems HIGHLY improbable to me, bordering on absurd. Wonder why he picked a location so far away from where all the flight path evidence pointed? Must be a reason, but it escapes me.

Reca was allegedly an experienced skydiver (USPA Expert license D 99) and, more impressively, a USAF PJ (Pararescue Jumper). PJ selection is super competitive and the training is extraordinary. I know PJs. I've sport jumped with these guys and was invited to go out on one of their recovery boats to pick up PJs after offshore ocean jumps.  Mission planning, down to the very last detail, is a huge part of what they do. Reca not even knowing what type of aircraft he was on seems highly unlikely for a PJ.

PJ training regimen from Wikipedia:

The process of becoming a "PJ" is known informally as "Superman School". Almost two years long, it's among the longest special operations training courses in the world. It also has one of the highest training attrition rates in the entire U.S. special operations community, at around 80%.

Pararescue trainees are first required to pass the Pararescue Indoctrination Course at Lackland AFB, commonly referred to as "indoc". Following that is a long string of courses including Combat Dive School, Army Airborne, National Registry for Paramedic, Survival (SERE), and Military Free-fall Parachutist. Upon completing the aforementioned, a pararescue trainee is required to then complete the Pararescue Apprentice Course, which combines all the prior skills and adds a few more. Once a Pararescueman has completed the pipeline, he is assigned to a Rescue or Special Tactics team where he will receive informal on-the-job training. Additionally, if a pararescueman is assigned to a special tactics team he will receive additional training along with Air Force Combat Controllers in what is known as Advanced Skills Training.

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« Reply #2905 on: May 18, 2018, 05:42:22 PM »
Here's a video of Walter Reca. It's short, but to the point. It's a toast to anyone who has jumped out of a 727.

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« Reply #2906 on: May 18, 2018, 05:44:07 PM »
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Bruce wrote: "The Big Question I have for Vern is why he and his team didn't talk to any of us, read our postings and books, and why they chose to investigate the DB Cooper story in such an isolated fashion."

Who knows? But I am glad they didn't use the expertise here to correct discrepancies in Reca's flakey story.

The alleged landing area seems HIGHLY improbable to me, bordering on absurd. Wonder why he picked a location so far away from where all the flight path evidence pointed? Must be a reason, but it escapes me.

Reca was allegedly an experienced skydiver (USPA Expert license D 99) and, more impressively, a USAF PJ (Pararescue Jumper). PJ selection is super competitive and the training is extraordinary. I know PJs. I've sport jumped with these guys and was invited to go out on one of their recovery boats to pick up PJs after offshore ocean jumps.  Mission planning, down to the very last detail, is a huge part of what they do. Reca not even knowing what type of aircraft he was on seems highly unlikely for a PJ.

PJ training regimen from Wikipedia:

The process of becoming a "PJ" is known informally as "Superman School". Almost two years long, it's among the longest special operations training courses in the world. It also has one of the highest training attrition rates in the entire U.S. special operations community, at around 80%.

Pararescue trainees are first required to pass the Pararescue Indoctrination Course at Lackland AFB, commonly referred to as "indoc". Following that is a long string of courses including Combat Dive School, Army Airborne, National Registry for Paramedic, Survival (SERE), and Military Free-fall Parachutist. Upon completing the aforementioned, a pararescue trainee is required to then complete the Pararescue Apprentice Course, which combines all the prior skills and adds a few more. Once a Pararescueman has completed the pipeline, he is assigned to a Rescue or Special Tactics team where he will receive informal on-the-job training. Additionally, if a pararescueman is assigned to a special tactics team he will receive additional training along with Air Force Combat Controllers in what is known as Advanced Skills Training.

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I concur, 377. It doesn't add up.
 

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« Reply #2907 on: May 18, 2018, 05:56:13 PM »
Just spoke with Vern Jones, the publisher of Carl's book on Walter Reca. I'll be having an in-depth phone interview with him on Tuesday.

In the meantime, he told me that he didn't seek our input because he wanted to keep his surprise factor intact. It was a gamble, and he acknowledges it, but doesn't really seem to fully appreciate how flawed his investigation has been.

He has intense confidence in his investigator, Joe Koenig, but from what I saw at the conference that trust is profoundly misplaced.

Vern is willing to talk about the "what if" factor and explore other possibilities - ie: what if Walter Reca wasn't DB Cooper? What does that mean for the evidence that seems to be legit, such as Walter being in Cle Elum on the night of the skyjacking, soaking wet, and not knowing where he was?

Also, what do the plethora of foreign passports, vaccinations, etc., that Vern and his team found at Vern's place mean? Are they real? Fake? Is anyone checking them for authenticity? Did Koenig? If not, why not?

Vern is stuck in the DB Cooper case circa 2008. He repeatedly talked about Larry Carr. He never mentioned Curtis Eng once. Nor Frank Montoya, Jr.

Intriguingly, Vern said that Carl's niece, Lisa Story, gave Walter's signed and notarized DBC confession to a retired FBI agent. Reportedly, the agent was rebuffed by the Seattle Division, and the agent was shocked.
 

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« Reply #2908 on: May 18, 2018, 06:03:13 PM »
Here's a video of Walter and all the principals. One scene shows Walter in March 1972. I don't see any strong resemblance to the sketches.

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« Reply #2909 on: May 18, 2018, 06:09:44 PM »
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2. Walter was redirected to the aft stairs by a flight attendant.


That's a really easy one to prove or disprove.