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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2014, 07:54:43 PM »
To Smoking99 more evidence pointing to Sheridan Peterson being DB Cooper

The Citizen Sleuths were very good at researching and found very small particles on DB Cooper's tie. The two types of Titanium (pure and alloy) were of particular interest to me as there was only one place in the North West that the two types could have come from and that is Boeing. When I talked with Tom Kaye, he ruled out Boeing as he thought we were only using alloy titanium in our SST (Super Sonic Transport) airplane. It was too bad that he made that wrong guess as the particles were like an address as to where the tie had been. The Materials and Processes Lab (M&P Lab) was located in the 9-101 Building at the Development Center in Seattle. The 9-101 building had a full scale cutout of the SST on the North side of the building and could be viewed by the public heading South on Marginal Way. That lab was working with both types of titanium and actually flame spraying pure titanium on the leading surfaces of the wing as the pure titanium had better high temperature and abrasion characteristics over the alloy being used in the SST.

Now, the M&P Lab was located in the North West corner of the 9-101 building on the main floor and had scrap metal tote boxes in the two hallways around the lab. How many boxes? Maybe 20 or so that were used to collect scrap metal from the lab before being scraped. People passed by the open tote boxes as many as four times a day on their way to office spaces on the second floor and to the cafeteria. Sheridan's worked in the Manuals Hand Books Group that was on the second floor just above the M&P Lab. My office for the Structures Test Group was just to the South of Sheridan's office and above the Structures Lab on the main floor. As Sheridan passed by the open scrap boxes, he would have easily looked into the boxes to see the neat scrap things from the M&P Lab and his tie could have hung down into the scrap and picked-up the two types of titanium that were available there. I was doing some strain gage work and using the M&P Lab to flame spray the strain gages on to metal surfaces we tested.

So, the particles on the tie pointed (like an address to his office) to where Sheridan worked and how his tie could have got the particles on it. That ties Sheridan to DB Cooper by the tie left on the plane. Machine operators were not allowed to wear ties as it was too dangerous and could get caught in the machinery. Sheridan was an office worker and would have worn a tie like he did in the Boeing News photo. He was dressed just like DB Cooper including the pig skin loafers.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2014, 09:08:59 PM »
Where colored contacts are concerned, I have been unable to find anything that shows they were available at the time of the hijacking. Of course, this would not be the first time I've been wrong. Can someone show that colored contacts would have been a viable option for Peterson, or any other suspect.

According to this link:

1980 Tinted daily wear soft lenses were made available.

1988 Cosmetic coloured lenses made available.


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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2014, 09:25:11 PM »
here is what I found on a quick search....see photo
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2014, 11:11:46 AM »
Parrotheadvol:

You say:  "Where colored contacts are concerned, I have been unable to find anything that shows they were available at the time of the hijacking. Of course, this would not be the first time I've been wrong. Can someone show that colored contacts would have been a viable option for Peterson, or any other suspect."

I say:    My wife wore contacts in those days and it was common practice for the lens to be tinted (colored) so they could be easy to find when not in the eye. The use by actors to play parts with eyes changed from blue to brown (cosmetic color change) was also common and can be seen in movies of those days. My wife had hers colored blue to make them easy to find but her choice could have been brown too. Tinting was done by the local labs here in Seattle and was not a big deal.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2014, 02:19:12 PM »
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Parrotheadvol:

You say:  "Where colored contacts are concerned, I have been unable to find anything that shows they were available at the time of the hijacking. Of course, this would not be the first time I've been wrong. Can someone show that colored contacts would have been a viable option for Peterson, or any other suspect."

I say:    My wife wore contacts in those days and it was common practice for the lens to be tinted (colored) so they could be easy to find when not in the eye. The use by actors to play parts with eyes changed from blue to brown (cosmetic color change) was also common and can be seen in movies of those days. My wife had hers colored blue to make them easy to find but her choice could have been brown too. Tinting was done by the local labs here in Seattle and was not a big deal.

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Soft contact lenses were invented in 1971 according to the graphic Shutter posted, but before then there were hard contact lenses.  Coloring those would be no different than coloring eye glasses.  Anyone who ever wore those know it was basically  putting a piece of glass in your eye -- and they took a long time to get used to and were very uncomfortable.  So if Peterson was wearing hard contacts, he would have started wearing them well before that.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2014, 06:04:09 PM »
MarkBennett

You are right on about the hard contact lens and how available they were at the time of Norjak. My wife got her first contacts in 1959 and we were married just one year. The first contacts she got were hard glass and took a little time to get used to but by the 1970's plastic hard lens became the thing and finally soft breathable plastic lens that were easy to wear for much longer times.

Research on the internet says
:  "The drawback for these early contact lenses was the material. It was not until 1934 when the introduction of PMMA plastic (polymethylmethacrylate) continued the evolution of contact lenses. This new material was optically clear like glass and could be molded, tinted, and modified to fit the surface of the eye for a better fitting lens. Several other doctors of the time took advantage of this advancement in technology to push forth the idea of contact lenses. - See more at: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login"

Sheridan could have had colored plastic lens or could have taken a pair of clear plastic lens and masked-off the center to see through and sprayed the remainder of the lens with brown lacquer. He was very clever and a do-it-yourself kind of guy. Home made or lab tinted contacts (either one) would have done the job for Norjak. This all makes sense as to why DB made it sure that two of the Flight Attendants were shown his eyes up close before he put on the Sun Glasses for the remainder of the flight. They both said he had brown eyes that you could look deeply into. Yes, I believe he changed his eye color to throw the FBI off and did little else to hide his ID. His fingers (print area) could have been covered with airplane cement or clear lacquer so as not to show but would leave no prints for the FBI to find on the plane.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2014, 10:18:23 PM »
Colored contacts were available in the 1950s. I've got no problem with speculation that DB Cooper could have worn colored contacts. Like I said, Peterson definitely has the qualifications but you can't overlook the sticky wickets.  :)

My point was only that - to be a truly honest and thoughtful discussion - along with listing the qualifications, one should list the caveats. In Peterson's case, those would be blue eyes, frontal baldness/super - receding hairline (whatever you want to call it - but no witness mentioned that much "forehead"), the fact that he says he was in Nepal, and the fact that the FBI has supposedly ruled him out via DBA/prints. The same full disclosure should be required regardless of the suspect. 

THEN you can proceed to explain all that away and make your case - as you are doing. So all's good.  :)

 

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2014, 10:45:01 AM »
Smoking99

The evidence that Meyer Louis discovered at the Tacoma Museum Cooper display was the "scar/dimple" shown in both the FBI sketch and the Boeing News photo of Sheridan's face. The scar/dimple is about one inch from his mouth in the direction of his left ear. Could this be FBI hold-back to help them identify the real suspects? DB Cooper sat with Tina on his left and she would have seen the scar/dimple and possibly that is why the mark is shown in the FBI sketch in the blow-up on the Museum wall?

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2014, 01:29:53 PM »
Bob,

Do you know what witness reaction - especially Tina - has been to pictures of Peterson?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2014, 06:28:21 PM »
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You ask:  "Do you know what witness reaction - especially Tina - has been to pictures of Peterson?"

I say:   I don't think Tina was shown pictures of Peterson as the FBI did not have the Boeing News photo that I found in their files until I sent them a copy this year. The FBI was probably happy with his "Perfect Alibi" of being in Nepal at the time of Norjak. The DNA and fingerprints from the plane were not any good anyway and not conclusive. However, they have good DNA and fingerprints that the two female FBI agents got from Pererson.

All the FBI needs to solve the crime is to get the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters sent to the news papers following Norjak and compare it with what they have from Sharidan Peterson. A match would prove he was in  Portland (the scene of the crime) and not in Nepal per his "Perfect Alibi. That does not prove he was DB Cooper but would prove he lied to the FBI (a Federal Crime) and was not in Nepal during Norjak. This would finally blow the case wide open and is the "Smoking Gun".

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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2014, 07:44:52 PM »
Hi Bob, does anyone have any handwriting from Peterson? anything to compare to the letters sent to the FBI? what makes you think those letters are from Cooper? I always question them since they were noted by DB Cooper, and not Dan Cooper. I'm not sold they came from Cooper. there is always the possibility though.
 

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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2014, 09:04:27 PM »
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The evidence that Meyer Louis discovered at the Tacoma Museum Cooper display was the "scar/dimple" shown in both the FBI sketch and the Boeing News photo of Sheridan's face. The scar/dimple is about one inch from his mouth in the direction of his left ear. Could this be FBI hold-back to help them identify the real suspects? DB Cooper sat with Tina on his left and she would have seen the scar/dimple and possibly that is why the mark is shown in the FBI sketch in the blow-up on the Museum wall?

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I'll give you that he favors the composite. I'm not arguing that. But so does Kenny C. I really don't think I've ever seen a suspect that didn't look like the composite if  I squint hard enough. Granted some more than others.
 
The problem is -- putting aside the idea that the FBI might have been withholding specifics of his description, which I agree is a real possibility -- certain features on some of the known "suspects" that you would think would have garnered a descriptive phrase from the witnesses did not as far as we know. Like, for example:

Witness: He had  big ears and nose (Duane Weber), he was short and bald (Kenny C); his hairline receded more than average and he had droopy hooded eyes (Sheridan), he had thick, short, slanted eyebrows (Gossett).
I could list more suspects, but you get my drift.
 
Far from it, according to a video interview given by the composite artist -- the witnesses interviewed for the composite all stated his facial features were nondescript except for one distinguishing feature and that was a protruding lip.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2014, 09:54:28 AM »
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You say: "Hi Bob, does anyone have any handwriting from Peterson? anything to compare to the letters sent to the FBI? what makes you think those letters are from Cooper? I always question them since they were noted by DB Cooper, and not Dan Cooper. I'm not sold they came from Cooper. there is always the possibility though."

I say:  When I first heard about the four letters, my thought was that some kook had written them, but when I saw the salutation on letter #3 ("The System That Beats The System"), then I knew it was from Sheridan as that was his mantra the whole month he stayed at my home. He even suggested that the two of us had enough College Degrees between us that we should be able to "figure a way to beat the system". Remember he was at my home ten years before Norjak and was in early planing on how to make the jump. When I saw that salutation on letter#3, I knew then it was from Sheridan and that he made a safe jump and survived. I think trying to compare hand writing would be a waste of time as he would have been clever enough to disguise how it looked.

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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2014, 03:49:02 PM »
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You say: "Hi Bob, does anyone have any handwriting from Peterson? anything to compare to the letters sent to the FBI? what makes you think those letters are from Cooper? I always question them since they were noted by DB Cooper, and not Dan Cooper. I'm not sold they came from Cooper. there is always the possibility though."

I say:  When I first heard about the four letters, my thought was that some kook had written them, but when I saw the salutation on letter #3 ("The System That Beats The System"), then I knew it was from Sheridan as that was his mantra the whole month he stayed at my home. He even suggested that the two of us had enough College Degrees between us that we should be able to "figure a way to beat the system". Remember he was at my home ten years before Norjak and was in early planing on how to make the jump. When I saw that salutation on letter#3, I knew then it was from Sheridan and that he made a safe jump and survived. I think trying to compare hand writing would be a waste of time as he would have been clever enough to disguise how it looked.

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You know, Ted" Kaczynsk's brother had the same reaction when he saw the Una Bomber's manifesto printed in a newspaper. He recognised similar phrases. As far as the brother was concerned (and then the brother's wife also) there was little doubt "Ted" had written 'the manifesto'. They contacted the FBI. But Ted was not D.B. Cooper!

The author of the letters does not guarantee the author was Cooper.

   
 

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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2014, 10:23:54 AM »
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The evidence that Meyer Louis discovered at the Tacoma Museum Cooper display was the "scar/dimple" shown in both the FBI sketch and the Boeing News photo of Sheridan's face. The scar/dimple is about one inch from his mouth in the direction of his left ear. Could this be FBI hold-back to help them identify the real suspects? DB Cooper sat with Tina on his left and she would have seen the scar/dimple and possibly that is why the mark is shown in the FBI sketch in the blow-up on the Museum wall?

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IF YOU CLICK ON THE PHOTO'S THEY WILL BOTH BE ENLARGED SO THAT THE SCAR/DIMPLE CAN BE COMPARED. SO CICK AND ENLARGE BOTH PHOTO TO VIEW THEM ENLARGED

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