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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6030 on: May 31, 2019, 01:01:48 PM »
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6031 on: June 03, 2019, 01:46:56 PM »
Flyjack has issued an astounding statement - in the history of science. Sure to revolutionise Makind's understanding of the universe.

"and insect damage would have given the bacteria a path to the interior of the packets. There does appear to be insect damage to the bills.  "

In other words: insect damage is a prerequisite to bacterial invasion and growth. ? !

Insects and their holes may be the cause of cancer!

Insect holes is a prerequisite to all bacterial action ...

Bacteria cannot work without an insect involvement first!  Wounds cannot become infected if there are no insects around to make a hole, first!

Flyjack is sure to get a Noble Prize for this one.     :rofl:

Pasteur's theory was wrong - Flyjack has replaced it!!

Maybe Ulis will do a followup daily podcast on this. Americans want to know.


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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6032 on: June 03, 2019, 06:11:38 PM »
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Flyjack has issued an astounding statement - in the history of science. Sure to revolutionise Makind's understanding of the universe.

"and insect damage would have given the bacteria a path to the interior of the packets. There does appear to be insect damage to the bills.  "

In other words: insect damage is a prerequisite to bacterial invasion and growth. ? !

Insects and their holes may be the cause of cancer!

Insect holes is a prerequisite to all bacterial action ...

Bacteria cannot work without an insect involvement first!  Wounds cannot become infected if there are no insects around to make a hole, first!

Flyjack is sure to get a Noble Prize for this one.     :rofl:

Pasteur's theory was wrong - Flyjack has replaced it!!

Maybe Ulis will do a followup daily podcast on this. Americans want to know.

I did not interpret this as insects being a pre-requisite for bacteria, just that the insect holes could have improved the chances of bacteria penetrating the bills.  What I find interesting is the theory that the bills were kept somewhere, and then possibly disposed of versus the bills being in the water for all those years.  The money find will always be a big topic of discussion.  Flyjack has raised some good points through the months, to include theorizing that the $5800 may not have left the plane with Cooper.  There certainly are a number of scenarios for how the money split off from Cooper.

1.  It was the packets he offered to the stews
2. It fell out in the plane and then fell later
3. Cooper paid someone when he was on the ground, possibly for a ride
4. Someone else found the money on the ground and then disposed of it

All theories, all speculation, but still things to think about.  None of those theories are my own original thoughts, just things I've found interesting.
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6033 on: June 04, 2019, 12:04:28 AM »
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Flyjack has issued an astounding statement - in the history of science. Sure to revolutionise Makind's understanding of the universe.

"and insect damage would have given the bacteria a path to the interior of the packets. There does appear to be insect damage to the bills.  "

In other words: insect damage is a prerequisite to bacterial invasion and growth. ? !

Insects and their holes may be the cause of cancer!

Insect holes is a prerequisite to all bacterial action ...

Bacteria cannot work without an insect involvement first!  Wounds cannot become infected if there are no insects around to make a hole, first!

Flyjack is sure to get a Noble Prize for this one.     :rofl:

Pasteur's theory was wrong - Flyjack has replaced it!!

Maybe Ulis will do a followup daily podcast on this. Americans want to know.

I did not interpret this as insects being a pre-requisite for bacteria, just that the insect holes could have improved the chances of bacteria penetrating the bills.  What I find interesting is the theory that the bills were kept somewhere, and then possibly disposed of versus the bills being in the water for all those years.  The money find will always be a big topic of discussion.  Flyjack has raised some good points through the months, to include theorizing that the $5800 may not have left the plane with Cooper.  There certainly are a number of scenarios for how the money split off from Cooper.

1.  It was the packets he offered to the stews
2. It fell out in the plane and then fell later
3. Cooper paid someone when he was on the ground, possibly for a ride
4. Someone else found the money on the ground and then disposed of it

All theories, all speculation, but still things to think about.  None of those theories are my own original thoughts, just things I've found interesting.

Actually this is all OLD NEWS. Fkyjack started this nonsense clear back in 2010. His concession just yesterday that he is willing to replace TERMITES with INSECTS ... has only taken 9 years.

Check back in nine more years for Fkyjack's latest!

Where did you get:  "It was the packets he offered to the stews" ? Source please or did you get this also from Flyjack? Maybe you need to stop reading Flyjack's comic missives, and start reading actual case evidence?

On the other hand, believe whatever you want. It no longer matters! 

 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6034 on: June 04, 2019, 08:40:54 AM »
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Flyjack has issued an astounding statement - in the history of science. Sure to revolutionise Makind's understanding of the universe.

"and insect damage would have given the bacteria a path to the interior of the packets. There does appear to be insect damage to the bills.  "

In other words: insect damage is a prerequisite to bacterial invasion and growth. ? !

Insects and their holes may be the cause of cancer!

Insect holes is a prerequisite to all bacterial action ...

Bacteria cannot work without an insect involvement first!  Wounds cannot become infected if there are no insects around to make a hole, first!

Flyjack is sure to get a Noble Prize for this one.     :rofl:

Pasteur's theory was wrong - Flyjack has replaced it!!

Maybe Ulis will do a followup daily podcast on this. Americans want to know.

I did not interpret this as insects being a pre-requisite for bacteria, just that the insect holes could have improved the chances of bacteria penetrating the bills.  What I find interesting is the theory that the bills were kept somewhere, and then possibly disposed of versus the bills being in the water for all those years.  The money find will always be a big topic of discussion.  Flyjack has raised some good points through the months, to include theorizing that the $5800 may not have left the plane with Cooper.  There certainly are a number of scenarios for how the money split off from Cooper.

1.  It was the packets he offered to the stews
2. It fell out in the plane and then fell later
3. Cooper paid someone when he was on the ground, possibly for a ride
4. Someone else found the money on the ground and then disposed of it

All theories, all speculation, but still things to think about.  None of those theories are my own original thoughts, just things I've found interesting.

Actually this is all OLD NEWS. Fkyjack started this nonsense clear back in 2010. His concession just yesterday that he is willing to replace TERMITES with INSECTS ... has only taken 9 years.

Check back in nine more years for Fkyjack's latest!

Where did you get:  "It was the packets he offered to the stews" ? Source please or did you get this also from Flyjack? Maybe you need to stop reading Flyjack's comic missives, and start reading actual case evidence?

On the other hand, believe whatever you want. It no longer matters!

Georger: Read my post, I said it is a theory, from my perspective, that's basically synonymous with speculation or a hypothesis.  However, it is not just pulled from thin air.  Cooper offered money to Tina Mucklow, did he not?  He took bills out of the bag didn't he?  This is in the case files, which I've read, at least the ones I have access to.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6035 on: June 04, 2019, 02:32:08 PM »
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Flyjack has issued an astounding statement - in the history of science. Sure to revolutionise Makind's understanding of the universe.

"and insect damage would have given the bacteria a path to the interior of the packets. There does appear to be insect damage to the bills.  "

In other words: insect damage is a prerequisite to bacterial invasion and growth. ? !

Insects and their holes may be the cause of cancer!

Insect holes is a prerequisite to all bacterial action ...

Bacteria cannot work without an insect involvement first!  Wounds cannot become infected if there are no insects around to make a hole, first!

Flyjack is sure to get a Noble Prize for this one.     :rofl:

Pasteur's theory was wrong - Flyjack has replaced it!!

Maybe Ulis will do a followup daily podcast on this. Americans want to know.

I did not interpret this as insects being a pre-requisite for bacteria, just that the insect holes could have improved the chances of bacteria penetrating the bills.  What I find interesting is the theory that the bills were kept somewhere, and then possibly disposed of versus the bills being in the water for all those years.  The money find will always be a big topic of discussion.  Flyjack has raised some good points through the months, to include theorizing that the $5800 may not have left the plane with Cooper.  There certainly are a number of scenarios for how the money split off from Cooper.

1.  It was the packets he offered to the stews
2. It fell out in the plane and then fell later
3. Cooper paid someone when he was on the ground, possibly for a ride
4. Someone else found the money on the ground and then disposed of it

All theories, all speculation, but still things to think about.  None of those theories are my own original thoughts, just things I've found interesting.

Actually this is all OLD NEWS. Fkyjack started this nonsense clear back in 2010. His concession just yesterday that he is willing to replace TERMITES with INSECTS ... has only taken 9 years.

Check back in nine more years for Fkyjack's latest!

Where did you get:  "It was the packets he offered to the stews" ? Source please or did you get this also from Flyjack? Maybe you need to stop reading Flyjack's comic missives, and start reading actual case evidence?

On the other hand, believe whatever you want. It no longer matters!

Georger: Read my post, I said it is a theory, from my perspective, that's basically synonymous with speculation or a hypothesis.  However, it is not just pulled from thin air.  Cooper offered money to Tina Mucklow, did he not?  He took bills out of the bag didn't he?  This is in the case files, which I've read, at least the ones I have access to.

I did read your post! You read your post!!

You said he took out several bundles or packets and offered the money to the stews. I said it was one bundle only and Mucklow only. I am not going to argue with yous. I am going to post the passages, which are:

"Mucklow recalls that at this time while the passengers were unloading, in an attempt at being humorous, she suggested to the hijacker ‘that there was obviously a lot of money in the bag and could she have some’! The hijacker agreed with her suggestion and reached in and took out one package of the money, denominations not recalled by Mucklow, and he handed the (single) bundle of money to her. Mucklow states that she laughed and gave the money back to the hijacker stating ‘she was not permitted to accept gratuities’, or words to that effect."



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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6036 on: June 04, 2019, 02:42:57 PM »
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Flyjack has issued an astounding statement - in the history of science. Sure to revolutionise Makind's understanding of the universe.

"and insect damage would have given the bacteria a path to the interior of the packets. There does appear to be insect damage to the bills.  "

In other words: insect damage is a prerequisite to bacterial invasion and growth. ? !

Insects and their holes may be the cause of cancer!

Insect holes is a prerequisite to all bacterial action ...

Bacteria cannot work without an insect involvement first!  Wounds cannot become infected if there are no insects around to make a hole, first!

Flyjack is sure to get a Noble Prize for this one.     :rofl:

Pasteur's theory was wrong - Flyjack has replaced it!!

Maybe Ulis will do a followup daily podcast on this. Americans want to know.

I did not interpret this as insects being a pre-requisite for bacteria, just that the insect holes could have improved the chances of bacteria penetrating the bills.  What I find interesting is the theory that the bills were kept somewhere, and then possibly disposed of versus the bills being in the water for all those years.  The money find will always be a big topic of discussion.  Flyjack has raised some good points through the months, to include theorizing that the $5800 may not have left the plane with Cooper.  There certainly are a number of scenarios for how the money split off from Cooper.

1.  It was the packets he offered to the stews
2. It fell out in the plane and then fell later
3. Cooper paid someone when he was on the ground, possibly for a ride
4. Someone else found the money on the ground and then disposed of it

All theories, all speculation, but still things to think about.  None of those theories are my own original thoughts, just things I've found interesting.

Actually this is all OLD NEWS. Fkyjack started this nonsense clear back in 2010. His concession just yesterday that he is willing to replace TERMITES with INSECTS ... has only taken 9 years.

Check back in nine more years for Fkyjack's latest!

Where did you get:  "It was the packets he offered to the stews" ? Source please or did you get this also from Flyjack? Maybe you need to stop reading Flyjack's comic missives, and start reading actual case evidence?

On the other hand, believe whatever you want. It no longer matters!

Georger: Read my post, I said it is a theory, from my perspective, that's basically synonymous with speculation or a hypothesis.  However, it is not just pulled from thin air.  Cooper offered money to Tina Mucklow, did he not?  He took bills out of the bag didn't he?  This is in the case files, which I've read, at least the ones I have access to.

You said he took out several bundles or packets. I said it was one. I am not going to argue with yous. I am going to post the passages, which are:

"Mucklow recalls that at this time while the passengers were unloading, in an attempt at being humorous, she suggested to the hijacker ‘that there was obviously a lot of money in the bag and could she have some’! The hijacker agreed with her suggestion and reached in and took out one package of the money, denominations not recalled by Mucklow, and he handed the (single) bundle of money to her. Mucklow states that she laughed and gave the money back to the hijacker stating ‘she was not permitted to accept gratuities’, or words to that effect."

There is no way on earth that the three bundles of money found at Tina bar could have fallen from the aircraft or from Cooper during the parachute jump.  If they had, the individual bundles would have separated and the bills would have been scatted between Portland and Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6037 on: June 04, 2019, 03:50:29 PM »
Bill Rataczak, his remarks at the Northwest Reunion, 2009

I thought this clip from a Northwest newsletter might be of interest. It came to me today from Bill Rollins:

Capt. Bill Rataczak, C0-Pilot on that Fateful Flight, Delivers First-Hand Report
to NWAHC Audience

Hijacked!
D. B. Cooper Revisited

Does anybody not know who D. B. Cooper is? That nefarious villain who hijacked a Northwest Airlines Boeing 727-100, received $200,000 for his effort, and parachuted into a freezing night sky over southwestern Washington state on Nov. 24, 1971, never to be seen or heard from again.

It’s been more than four decades, now. He’s been glorified in poems, ballads and rock songs and has been the subject, or partial subject, of 22 books. To many, despite his grim deed, he is an American folk hero. On Sept. 8 a packed house at the Northwest Airlines History Centre got a brilliant first hand report on the Cooper saga from a man who lived it, retired Northwest Airlines Capt. Bill Rataczak, co-pilot on that fateful Thanksgiving-eve flight. Details of the Cooper flight are well known; but a brief summary on page nine recounts the story.

Here are a few little-known-facts Rataczak provided to his audience, often spiced with a bit of wry humor.

✈For the most part Cooper was a cool customer. He was a chain smoker, though. Raleighs were his brand. He had one cocktail.

✈President Nyrop rightly agreed with our insistence that any and all decisions were to be handled exclusively by our three-man flight crew. No interference from outside agencies. “The safety of the passengers came first and they were our passengers. Everybody’s job, on the ground or in the air, was to protect our crew and passengers and keep that airplane in one piece,” says Rataczak. “And we did that.”

✈Second Officer Anderson began monitoring the refueling, and it was soon obvious that ground personnel were delaying the process (probably on the F.B.I.’s orders, despite Mr. Nyrop’s directive not to intervene). Andy challenged the crew via his interphone and was told the truck was vapor locked. A second truck pumped only 300 of the 4,500 gallons we required. Andy ordered a third truck, which the ground crew claimed was vapor locked also. F/O Rataczak got on the interphone and told them in no uncertain terms to quit playing games. They finally cooperated and pumped the full 4,500 gallons.

✈The FBI says Cooper had a real bomb: eight sticks of dynamite with wires, batteries, etc. He
apparently threw it out when he jumped. No sign of the bomb was found by authorities in Reno.

✈We had to hold over Seattle while Cooper’s demands were being met. What to tell the
passengers? There’s a man sitting back there with you who has a bomb? No, we said we had a minor maintenance problem and asked them to please remain in their seats.

✈At 10,000 feet out of Seattle there was a cloud layer, causing icing to occur on the aircraft. We were flying what we call a “dirty airplane” with flaps and gear down. We were unpressurized. We had another problem besides Cooper. Icing.

✈ During our descent into Reno, we made a P.A. to Cooper (if he was still there) that the stairs
needed to be raised for landing so they would not be damaged, which could prevent a subsequent takeoff.

✈The crew didn’t see Cooper jump nor did anybody, apparently, in the chase planes. Where he
attempted to open the parachute would have had a bearing on where he landed. If he pulled it quickly he would have floated quite a ways. A late pull or no pull at all would have taken him straight down.

✈There’s been a lot of talk, some recently, about former purser Ken Christiansen being D. B. Cooper. He was fully vetted by the F.B.I., who determined he was not a person of interest.

✈Cooper offered Stewardess Tina Mucklow a packet of $20 bills before leaving. She declined.

✈At least two bodies have been recovered in the Cooper search area, neither of them is our man.

✈Each year, the day before Thanksgiving, the little bar/filling station town of Ariel, Wash., in Cooper territory, holds a Cooper celebration. “It would be fun to visit Ariel, then, incognito, and take it all in,” Rataczak says. “I might do that one of these years.”

Rataczak strongly opposes the folk hero moniker. “No way. He was a criminal, one of the worst kind. He was a hijacker and a thief and he endangered the lives of innocent people. There’s nothing heroic about that.”

Nonetheless, the unsolved Cooper story remains a fascinating episode, perhaps the most notorious crime in commercial aviation history.

“I agree with my good friend, FBI Agent Ralph Himmelsbach, who bird-dogged the Cooper case for many years,” Rataczak says. “I don’t think he made it out alive. I think he’s down there in the blackberry brambles someplace.”

Perhaps we’ll never know. Or we might know tomorrow. ✈

Flight 305, a Boeing 7 2 7 - 100, l e f t Minneapolis-St. Paul the morning of November 24, 1971. Destination Seattle via Great Falls and Missoula, Mont., Spokane, Wash. and Portland, Ore.

Its six-person crew included Capt. Bill Scott, First Officer Bill Rataczak, Second Officer Harold
Anderson and Stewardesses Flo Schaffner, Alice Hancock and Tina Mucklow.

Thirty-six passengers were aboard (some reports say 35) when it left Portland for its 36-minute bounce to Seattle, ETA 5:46 p.m. Pacific time. A well-dressed man with a briefcase sat in the back row of the tourist section. He wore dark glasses. After takeoff he handed Stewardess Flo Schaffner a note. She pocketed it. Probably another mash note, she thought. Later the passenger insisted, “Miss, I want you to read that note,” he said. “Read it now.” The terse message: he had a bomb in his case. He would blow the plane up unless $200,000 in $20 bills and four parachutes were awaiting him in Seattle. President Nyrop immediately authorized withdrawal of the money from a Seattle bank.

Parachutes were obtained from McCord Air Force Base, 20 miles south of Seattle. Loot aboard, Cooper released the passengers along with Stewardesses Schaffner and Hancock. The plane was refueled and Cooper directed the crew to Mexico.

His instructions: Cruise at ten thousand feet. Gear down. Flaps 15 degrees. About 24 minutes out, 28 miles north of Portland, the second officer’s annunciator panel indicated that the rear stairs had been lowered. The crew did not know for sure that their hijacker had jumped until they landed in Reno. D. B. Cooper was never seen again. ✈


NWA 305 Earned Legendary Status on 11/24/71
NWA History Centre Reflections

Update: Capt. Bill Rataczak

A Minneapolitan, Bill was brought up in the shadow of Wold-Chamberlain Field, now Twin Cities International Airport. He graduated from Roosevelt High School, then the University of Minnesota, where he majored in international relations and economics with a year-and-a-half of engineering for good measure. How did he find time to be a varsity cheerleader for football, basketball and hockey?

Bill’s first Northwest school-time job was washing casserole dishes at Northwest’s food service
kitchen. “A tough job,” Bill says. He moved up to polishing airplanes and finally that Big Promotion, to baggage smasher.

“One day my crew chief said ‘Mr. Ebert wants to see you.’ Bob Ebert. I thought uh oh, what have I done? Bob Ebert was Northwest’s V. P. of Personnel. To make a long story short I went to work for Larry Stewart, V.P. of Northwest’s Economic Planning. There was the possibility of a pretty good job there when I graduated, but I decided I wanted to fly.” Bill joined Northwest’s pilot ranks in June 1966. He flew the Lockheed Electra (“I loved that airplane”), the 727, 707 and the DC-10 and was one of Northwest’s first 757 captains. Home is now with his wife Judy, in South Haven, Minnesota near the Twin Cities.

Bill’s resume also shows six-and-one-half years with the United States Air Force including reserve time. His dad, John Rataczak, was a Northwest crew chief for more than 38 years. From February 1942 to June 1999, for more than 57 years, there was a Rataczak on Northwest’s payroll, of which Bill is rightfully proud. ✈

Update F/A Tina Mucklow

Stewardess Tina Mucklow had the unenviable job of sitting with D. B. Cooper in the
727’s empty cabin, relaying his commands up front, as Capt. Bill Scott, Rataczak and Second Officer Harold Anderson guided their plane southward from Seattle.

“She flew a couple of more years,” Rataczak recalls, and then she entered a Roman Catholic
convent of cloistered Carmelite nuns in Oregon. I tried to contact her there without success. After she left the convent years later, I tracked her down. “I talk with her now and then but seldom about the Cooper episode. That’s a closed book. I know where she lives but I gave her my word I’d never tell.

“She was terrific on that flight. She never lost her composure. She is a wonderful lady.” ✈






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« Reply #6038 on: June 04, 2019, 03:51:31 PM »
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Flyjack has issued an astounding statement - in the history of science. Sure to revolutionise Makind's understanding of the universe.

"and insect damage would have given the bacteria a path to the interior of the packets. There does appear to be insect damage to the bills.  "

In other words: insect damage is a prerequisite to bacterial invasion and growth. ? !

Insects and their holes may be the cause of cancer!

Insect holes is a prerequisite to all bacterial action ...

Bacteria cannot work without an insect involvement first!  Wounds cannot become infected if there are no insects around to make a hole, first!

Flyjack is sure to get a Noble Prize for this one.     :rofl:

Pasteur's theory was wrong - Flyjack has replaced it!!

Maybe Ulis will do a followup daily podcast on this. Americans want to know.

I did not interpret this as insects being a pre-requisite for bacteria, just that the insect holes could have improved the chances of bacteria penetrating the bills.  What I find interesting is the theory that the bills were kept somewhere, and then possibly disposed of versus the bills being in the water for all those years.  The money find will always be a big topic of discussion.  Flyjack has raised some good points through the months, to include theorizing that the $5800 may not have left the plane with Cooper.  There certainly are a number of scenarios for how the money split off from Cooper.

1.  It was the packets he offered to the stews
2. It fell out in the plane and then fell later
3. Cooper paid someone when he was on the ground, possibly for a ride
4. Someone else found the money on the ground and then disposed of it

All theories, all speculation, but still things to think about.  None of those theories are my own original thoughts, just things I've found interesting.

Actually this is all OLD NEWS. Fkyjack started this nonsense clear back in 2010. His concession just yesterday that he is willing to replace TERMITES with INSECTS ... has only taken 9 years.

Check back in nine more years for Fkyjack's latest!

Where did you get:  "It was the packets he offered to the stews" ? Source please or did you get this also from Flyjack? Maybe you need to stop reading Flyjack's comic missives, and start reading actual case evidence?

On the other hand, believe whatever you want. It no longer matters!

Georger: Read my post, I said it is a theory, from my perspective, that's basically synonymous with speculation or a hypothesis.  However, it is not just pulled from thin air.  Cooper offered money to Tina Mucklow, did he not?  He took bills out of the bag didn't he?  This is in the case files, which I've read, at least the ones I have access to.

I did read your post! You read your post!!

You said he took out several bundles or packets and offered the money to the stews. I said it was one bundle only and Mucklow only. I am not going to argue with yous. I am going to post the passages, which are:

"Mucklow recalls that at this time while the passengers were unloading, in an attempt at being humorous, she suggested to the hijacker ‘that there was obviously a lot of money in the bag and could she have some’! The hijacker agreed with her suggestion and reached in and took out one package of the money, denominations not recalled by Mucklow, and he handed the (single) bundle of money to her. Mucklow states that she laughed and gave the money back to the hijacker stating ‘she was not permitted to accept gratuities’, or words to that effect."

Georger: You wrote- "You said he took out several bundles or packets and offered the money to the stews."

My passage is right there for anyone to read. I did not say he took out several bundles or packets.  I wrote that it could be "the packets he offered to the stews."  If there are people with a lot of time on their hands, maybe you can re-start the conversation about packets vs bundles, etc.  Bundles, packets, etc, it does not mean a whole lot to me at this point.  We don't know how much he pulled out.  What if it was $6000?  Do we know that Tina didn't take some of the money and then decide to get rid of it at another time?  No, because for someone who spent 4 to 5 hours with Cooper, she has not given us much.

You are a scientist, physicist, whatever.  You stick with the facts.  Good.  I don't have an issue with that.  It works for you.  I like the facts of this case, but I also like the theories and the speculation, within reason.  That's what draws a lot of people to the case.  There are many, many theories on the Tina Bar money.  I'm not attempting to be factual with the money find.  10,000 bills went into a bag, 300 were found 8 years later.  That sounds to me like there are not a lot of facts.
 

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« Reply #6039 on: June 06, 2019, 01:49:45 AM »
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6040 on: June 23, 2019, 01:49:26 AM »
Hi Everyone, pretty quiet over here. If anyone is interested, I'm doing an AMA over at my website:

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« Reply #6041 on: June 23, 2019, 03:04:26 AM »
What is AMA?
 

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« Reply #6042 on: June 23, 2019, 11:12:19 AM »
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« Reply #6043 on: June 23, 2019, 09:29:31 PM »
DB Cooper Boat Tours

I'll be on the Saturday, June 29th 4 pm sailing. Hope to see you there - or at the Victor 23- pub afterwards!

I posted a piece on this unique outing at the Mountain News:

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« Reply #6044 on: June 26, 2019, 12:06:22 AM »
Flyjack claims update:

Flyjack has been bizzy. 

1. FJ claims to have identified one of the bills Harold Ingram phoned in about to the FBI. He says it was the top bill in the bundles of bills found by Brian Ingram. (Bill shown below) FJ says verbatum:

"L55376548B was the bill on the top one of the of the packets the Ingrams had that Ralph Himmelsbach Id'd as matching the FBI list.         This top bill is NOT blackened, if the FBI did use Silver Nitrate to fingerprint bills they would have fingerprinted this bill, the top one, they didn't. There was no record of SN being used and this bill would have been the primary target for fingerprinting." {Therefore, FJ says, the FBI or the bank marked the Cooper ransom before delivery to Cooper, and,  the FBI fingerprinting the bills may be a lie! }

No documentation provided. [quote above is Fkyjack's, in his words as posted - not my words]
 
2. "Found something interesting… The FBI files show that Cooper used two matchbooks.. One his and one supplied by Tina. Tosaw’s book distinguishes further. According to Tina the matchbook Cooper had said “Earn a High School Diploma” and Tina went to grab company matches from a cabinet.. Cooper recovered and took the first empty matchbook. Sky Chef supplied catering for flights..   That “suggests” the Sky Chef matches did not come from Cooper at all but were grabbed by Tina on the plane."

Source - Richard Tosaw's book.

3. "Cooper had 2 drinks. Money in packets of $2000 strapped in PAPER BANDS and some had additional rubber bands, corroborates Tina, H, and Bank letter to FBI..  Cooper offered 2 packets of money to stews, other than Tina.[Cooper offered 2 packets each to Tina, Hancock, and Schaffner!]

Source - Richard Tosaw's book, Tina, H, and Bank letter to FBI.

4. "Cooper demanded flaps down but flight ops was calculating range and they went back and asked Cooper, he then said 15 degrees."

"they went back and asked Cooper"   {They physically went back and talked to Cooper? Flyjack does not define what he means by "went back".}

source: FBI 302, Tosaw book, and special insight by FlyJack himself. This is the first evidence ever that the crew went back and talked to Cooper in person, mano-a-mano!

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NEWS - Fkyjack's claim is now more than year out of date due to new data collected last year, which FJ is unaware of!.

6. Flyjack now claims that R99's "flight path calculations are wrong".

Source: Flyjack University Avionics Dept. ?

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