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Do you believe Cooper lived or died. the option are below to cast a vote...

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50% Cooper lived
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Author Topic: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case  (Read 286490 times)

Offline Robert99

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4785 on: April 23, 2019, 01:55:17 AM »
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“However, today military pilots have devices attached to their parachute harness that can transmit and receive on 121.5/243.0 and automatically transmit their GPS position on those frequencies.  And the voice and GPS information is encoded.”

The military emergency bailout transceiver/pinger radios I’ve seen do not transmit signals on 121.5 MHz, just on 243.0 MHz. Maybe there are newer ones that do work in the civilian aviation band.

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I will defer to you on that point.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4786 on: April 23, 2019, 02:02:59 AM »
Maybe we need to go back to the beginning on these chutes - who sent what - how many were there 4/6/? - Cooper tore one apart for line - Cooper jumped with one - one was missing (front reserve) - Hayden got paid for chutes and got one back? - Cossey got no chutes back . . . Cossey always maintained Cooper jumped with his chute ? .....

simple facts vs convolutions of interviews and he said she said. Is that possible at this stage? I hope so.  :rofl:
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4787 on: April 23, 2019, 06:36:19 AM »
Flyjack appears to have found several issue's I brought up several times in the past and were never addressed. he found different documents than I did.

To date, I'm not convinced they had more than 4 chutes. some documents suggest this.

Can a 24' canopy be found in a NB-6 or NB-8?
Is the model number in reference to the year?
 
This would be a good starting point..
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4788 on: April 23, 2019, 07:34:23 AM »
“Can a 24' canopy be found in a NB-6 or NB-8?”

Yes. But it would be unusual. In my experience 24 ft canopies were mostly packed in chest reserves. Surplus canopies were dirt cheap. 24 ft canopies let a jumper of average weight down pretty hard. Why not use a larger canopy in a rig that will fit one? Softer landings c

“Is the model number in reference to the year?”

No. NB6 and NB8 are nearly identical Navy rigs (harness + container) that differ in pack volume. The 6 normally had a 26 ft canopy (Navy Conical) and 8 had a 28 ft canopy (C9). Both canopies were super rugged. Built far stronger than civilian canopies of comparable diameter. Civilians weren’t likely to be ejecting from high speed jets. Most of the civilian canopies had a 150 mph speed limit stenciled in the data panel.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4789 on: April 23, 2019, 02:31:35 PM »
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Flyjack appears to have found several issue's I brought up several times in the past and were never addressed. he found different documents than I did.

To date, I'm not convinced they had more than 4 chutes. some documents suggest this.

Can a 24' canopy be found in a NB-6 or NB-8?
Is the model number in reference to the year?
 
This would be a good starting point..

It would not be unusual for the FBI to screw this up resulting in many contradicting 302's! Different accounts by different people, all of them "authoritative" ! Typical bureaucratic SNAFU. 

Unless I am mistaken, Cossey always contended the chute Cooper jumped with was HIS chute. If true that would account for (a) Cossey's statements and behavior over the years, and (b) the Seattle office always going to Cossey as the central authority in the chute matter.

Is there a clean 302 that wipes out all ambiguity and says straight out: 'The chute used by Cooper came from Earl Cossey' ? Due to bureaucratic multiplicity and mendacity there may not be such a single document!

Sailshaw always focused on the fact of bureaucratic confusion in the Cooper hijacking, when he kept referring to something Peterson allegedly said:: the system that beat 'the system'. A Mantra used by millions of protesters in the 1970's. 

This would all have been easier had the USAF supplied the chutes: one source vrs multiple sources. at least everyone would have known what chutes were supplied and what they were!   

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4790 on: April 23, 2019, 04:42:15 PM »
Just as I assumed. a 24' canopy is typically in a reserve. what model is a 60-9707? it doesn't make sense that it's on the document of evidence. all the other evidence is listed with a letter.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4791 on: May 10, 2019, 02:09:14 PM »
Important! 3d CAD movable view of 727 interior ... found by FJ. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4792 on: May 14, 2019, 02:13:42 PM »
Wow! Thanks Georger. I am fascinated with the cockpit detail. Steam gauge tech at its peak.

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Re: Radioactive Tie Particles
« Reply #4793 on: May 21, 2019, 01:03:26 AM »
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All,
Great news, McCrone has agreed to analyze the tie particles for radioactivity. They have a gamma spectrometer but it is usually used for much bigger samples. They will try no matter what. Place your bets now!!

Tom Kaye

My bet is on a click or two. Background average. 48 years is quite a few half lives for quite a few isotopes. Plus the particles don't look like random waste elements, they look like refined concentrations of elements, mathematically speaking. But I would be interested if my abandoned suggestion bore fruit. Keep us posted.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4794 on: May 21, 2019, 11:16:02 AM »
Yup, me too. No clicks, other than background. What we know so far sounds like a rare, specialized environment, and I don't see any radioactive particles being part of it.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4795 on: May 21, 2019, 03:51:17 PM »
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Yup, me too. No clicks, other than background. What we know so far sounds like a rare, specialized environment, and I don't see any radioactive particles being part of it.

Has any of the Cooper evidence or the plane, been tested for radioactivity? I doubt it. Did Cooper have a radioactive implant?  :rofl:
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4796 on: May 22, 2019, 02:36:37 PM »
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Yup, me too. No clicks, other than background. What we know so far sounds like a rare, specialized environment, and I don't see any radioactive particles being part of it.

What we know so far sounds like a rare, specialized environment, and I don't see any radioactive particles being part of it.

What do we know so far?  You always talk in code!  Tell the rest of us "what we know" ! ??

Radioactivity?  Where - what -= how - when - schmoo ee knee cabaonga hallah boeing halowed santum noji ?

What RADIOACTIVITY?   O0 O0 O0

DO YOU NEED HAZMAT AND NUCLEAR DECONTAMINATORS AT YOUR TRAILER ? 


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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4797 on: May 22, 2019, 03:51:58 PM »
All environmental improvements at my humble abode are gratefully accepted, Georger. When can I expect you?

BTW: I am leaving my trailer in the woods on June 10 to check on my mom in NY. Will return on June 20th. Just posting this news so that we don't have a repeat of the Visitation Fiasco of the past, ie: cops on Night One, and then you-know-who on Night #2 at 10:30 pm.... sigh.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4798 on: Today at 01:16:06 PM »
Welcome back Bruce. Hope the trip east went well.  Good to see you and 377 back.(hopefully Shutter returns before long)   Has been too quiet around here lately.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #4799 on: Today at 01:45:56 PM »
Welcome back Bruce!

Speaking of radioactivity, this is a must-read. A kid sets out to build a breeder reactor. Scary.

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