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General Category => DB Cooper => Topic started by: Shutter on February 24, 2014, 02:13:06 AM

Title: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on February 24, 2014, 02:13:06 AM
testing the system......
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 24, 2014, 02:16:11 AM
ok, seems to be working.... 8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 24, 2014, 02:39:19 AM
checking photo's
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 24, 2014, 02:54:45 AM
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testing the system......


check....one ...two
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Coopsnoop on February 24, 2014, 05:26:07 PM
Like!!!!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 24, 2014, 05:47:19 PM
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Like!!!!


Thanks, we can always make changes. that's what I like about a forum that we can control. let's see how the boat floats  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 25, 2014, 02:42:26 AM
Okay...I'm learning how to use this forum.

Happy to be here.  We can continue to use this site, and I can say goodbye to the WordPress blog I started a week or go.  That said, I'll keep it running for now - I've got the time - and we'll see how it goes. 

I believe in evolution, and its dynamic of most useful being the place to be.

So, where is everybody?

Hmmmm.  The spellchecker didn't function for me.  I'll have to check with my chrome function.  I've been having Internet conenction problems all night.  It may be the rain.  Lots of liquid sunshine today, along with fog.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: 377 on February 25, 2014, 05:56:09 AM
377 checking in.

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 25, 2014, 07:14:40 AM
welcome Bruce, 377. hopefully you guys noticed the different topics that you can view and comment on. I have the spell checker on Bruce. I think you should leave the blog up for a while at least. I'm still trying to figure all of the things out here, so we might have a few bumps along the way.  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: BuckwheatFlowers on February 25, 2014, 09:01:47 AM
This is nice.   Good job Shutter.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 25, 2014, 09:17:05 AM
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This is nice.   Good job Shutter.


welcome Buckwheat, and thank you for the kind words. feel free to browse the topics and post. any feedback will be addressed to help the forum run smoothly. once we get over the initial hype of the new forum, I'm sure productive things will be done here.
we have a lot of good people with extensive knowledge to the case. I'm pleased with the progress at this point  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 25, 2014, 09:34:07 PM
I've just installed a calender. you should see it in the header/menu bar at the top. I haven't figured it all out yet, but we can mark dates, and events etc. plus it's just cool to have on here  8).
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on February 25, 2014, 10:21:14 PM
Okay...someone was asking about returning to the topic you are in instead of in the list of categories...this has probably already been answered - if so I missed it my bad :)........

You can return to topic on individual posts by checking off the "Return to topic box in "Attachments and other options" and you can make this a default setting by....

Click on Profile >> account settings  >>modify profile >> look and layout >> return to topics by default
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 25, 2014, 10:27:31 PM
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Okay...someone was asking about returning to the topic you are in instead of in the list of categories...this has probably already been answered - if so I missed it my bad :)........

You can return to topic on individual posts by checking off the "Return to topic box in "Attachments and other options" and you can make this a default setting by....

Click on Profile >> account settings  >>modify profile >> look and layout >> return to topics by default


yes, I seen that from your other post. nice catch....one mystery solved... 8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 25, 2014, 10:28:51 PM
DB Cooper...where are you?

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just tried this little function.... 8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on February 25, 2014, 10:38:20 PM
I couldn't find a default setting that makes you go to the last post in the topic; however, also in Profile > Account Settings > Modify profile > look and layout, you can change it to where the most recent post is at the top. I'm gonna try that - lol...almost couldn't find the reply button - it is now at top.

You can also change the time zone and other things - that's  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 25, 2014, 11:02:25 PM
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I couldn't find a default setting that makes you go to the last post in the topic; however, also in Profile > Account Settings > Modify profile > look and layout, you can change it to where the most recent post is at the top. I'm gonna try that - lol...almost couldn't find the reply button - it is now at top.

You can also change the time zone and other things - that's  8)


I also couldn't find a default button. a little aggravating, but I can get use to it I guess..I'll see what they say when I call.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on February 26, 2014, 12:05:15 AM
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I couldn't find a default setting that makes you go to the last post in the topic; however, also in Profile > Account Settings > Modify profile > look and layout, you can change it to where the most recent post is at the top. I'm gonna try that - lol...almost couldn't find the reply button - it is now at top.

You can also change the time zone and other things - that's  8)


I also couldn't find a default button. a little aggravating, but I can get use to it I guess..I'll see what they say when I call.

Okay  - I just tried in on of the longer threads and when you check off  return to topic default in profile >account settings >modify profile >look layout ,  it does return you to the topic and the post you just made instead of at the top of the thread. So that's good. I still think I like the posts at the top though.

Yep, you did good here. A lot of work. I hope that folks help make it a success.  :)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Skyjack71 on February 26, 2014, 03:20:01 AM
 8) 8)

I am here, but where am I? Lost in the forest! Complicated Vegetation! Think I will just read the postings! 


Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 26, 2014, 08:14:57 AM
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8) 8)

I am here, but where am I? Lost in the forest! Complicated Vegetation! Think I will just read the postings!



Jo, I will be speaking with others about your joining this forum. Bruce for starters. I don't want arguments starting up, and long strung out posts made by you. the actions will be from consideration from others. there will be possibilities of removal, or restrictions applied. please understand this all happened because of what is currently going on with the other site that most of us posted on. I built this site in hopes that it will be the direct opposite of what happens on the other site.

Please understand that this will be a community decision reflecting your status.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MarkBennett on February 26, 2014, 01:28:51 PM
My two cents,
I don't have a problem with Jo joining the forum, Shutter.  Her posts were sometimes very long and hard to understand, but I could usually just skim them.  As it true with anyone, if they can behave, I welcome them.  Personal attacks from anyone should be cause for dismissal.

The problem with others was when they injected themselves into every discussion, repeated the same story over and over again, called other liars and challenged others to constantly prove their case without feeling the same responsibility himself.  That, to me, was what really dragged the other forum down.

Title: JO WEBER
Post by: Robert99 on February 26, 2014, 03:11:59 PM
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My two cents,
I don't have a problem with Jo joining the forum, Shutter.  Her posts were sometimes very long and hard to understand, but I could usually just skim them.  As it true with anyone, if they can behave, I welcome them.  Personal attacks from anyone should be cause for dismissal.

The problem with others was when they injected themselves into every discussion, repeated the same story over and over again, called other liars and challenged others to constantly prove their case without feeling the same responsibility himself.  That, to me, was what really dragged the other forum down.

I haven't been asked to do so, but let me add my two cents anyway.  I am not going to be a snake in the grass, so what follows is my frank and personal opinion.

Jo Weber has contributed about 25 percent of the volume to the DZ thread.  Her posts on DZ have mainly been a distraction rather than a serious effort to advance the Cooper research.  Her 17+ years of researching Duane Weber has apparently not produced a single "fact" that would even remotely link him to the Cooper hijacking.

Her personal attacks on Larry Carr and others are well known.  Along with the "other fellow", she has caused people to leave the DZ thread and to the creation of a number of other threads including this one.  If Jo wishes to continue to post about Duane Weber there is apparently no reason why she cannot do so on DZ.  In fact, she might even find more readers there now who have time to read her posts as well as those of the "other fellow".

Therefore, I suggest that Jo Weber, NOT be allowed to post on this thread.  Her posts have not added anything to Cooper research in the past and there is no reason that believe that they would do so on this thread.

Robert99       
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 26, 2014, 04:28:18 PM
I would welcome Jo to this site, but first I think that she should offer a written apology to me and all those whom she has defamed with untruths and thinly veiled charcter assassinations.

I have repeatedly told Jo that over the phone, in emails and on forums. Speciifically, I have insisted on an written apology from her both at the DZ and on the Word Press blog, but Jo refuses.  She has planted her flag, and she's not moving towards reconciliation.

Frankly, Shutter, I am surprised that you let Jo get this far.  I'm disappointed. I consider Jo Weber to be highly toxic and destructive.

If Jo is here, I'm not.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 26, 2014, 05:52:03 PM
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I would welcome Jo to this site, but first I think that she should offer a written apology to me and all those whom she has defamed with untruths and thinly veiled charcter assassinations.

I have repeatedly told Jo that over the phone, in emails and on forums. Speciifically, I have insisted on an written apology from her both at the DZ and on the Word Press blog, but Jo refuses.  She has planted her flag, and she's not moving towards reconciliation.

Frankly, Shutter, I am surprised that you let Jo get this far.  I'm disappointed. I consider Jo Weber to be highly toxic and destructive.

If Jo is here, I'm not.

Well, first of all she signed in after on was off the computer. I wanted to hear your side of what to do. please understand where I am with this. how about we put Jo on hold until she speaks with you. I have a lot on my plate at the moment. I just got home, so let me know what you think about my direction. I just received an email from her last night speaking of not coming onto either site. I didn't reply to the email. I woke up and seen she signed in. life is not over at this point. I value your opinion, so that is what I have come up with.

as it stands now, it's two against her right now. I will email her about the decision of holding her joining back until she speaks with you. that sounds fair to me?

Please Advise.

Added: I sent Jo an email explaining the reasons for the hold. she can not post at this time. from this point, I believe the problem should be solved offline.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on February 26, 2014, 07:24:31 PM
Is there any way to fix it so that when we select a certain discussion that it takes us to the last page of the discussion instead of the first page? Just like TOS did. This may be something that I have to set in my profile, but I didn't see anything like that. Thanks.

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on February 26, 2014, 07:25:21 PM
TOS = the other site.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 26, 2014, 07:28:40 PM
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Is there any way to fix it so that when we select a certain discussion that it takes us to the last page of the discussion instead of the first page? Just like TOS did. This may be something that I have to set in my profile, but I didn't see anything like that. Thanks.

Yes, it's a bit of pain, but after you are ready to post your comment. look below where it says attachments and other options. click on that and you will see "return to topic" check it. I'm trying to resolve the issue so we don't have to do that.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on February 26, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
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Is there any way to fix it so that when we select a certain discussion that it takes us to the last page of the discussion instead of the first page? Just like TOS did. This may be something that I have to set in my profile, but I didn't see anything like that. Thanks.

Yes, it's a bit of pain, but after you are ready to post your comment. look below where it says attachments and other options. click on that and you will see "return to topic" check it. I'm trying to resolve the issue so we don't have to do that.

Not sure if this is what you are talking about, but there is another way to return to topic without checking the return to topic button on each post.
If you go to profile, then account settings, then modify profile, then layout and look, there one that says return to topic by default. (this is for after you post, it takes you back to the topic instead of the main screen)

Also you can have it default to" last post on top" there also. Not a perfect fix, but at least you're on the right page.
Title: Re: JO WEBER
Post by: MarkBennett on February 26, 2014, 09:15:48 PM
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My two cents,
I don't have a problem with Jo joining the forum, Shutter.  Her posts were sometimes very long and hard to understand, but I could usually just skim them.  As it true with anyone, if they can behave, I welcome them.  Personal attacks from anyone should be cause for dismissal.

The problem with others was when they injected themselves into every discussion, repeated the same story over and over again, called other liars and challenged others to constantly prove their case without feeling the same responsibility himself.  That, to me, was what really dragged the other forum down.

I haven't been asked to do so, but let me add my two cents anyway.  I am not going to be a snake in the grass, so what follows is my frank and personal opinion.

Jo Weber has contributed about 25 percent of the volume to the DZ thread.  Her posts on DZ have mainly been a distraction rather than a serious effort to advance the Cooper research.  Her 17+ years of researching Duane Weber has apparently not produced a single "fact" that would even remotely link him to the Cooper hijacking.

Her personal attacks on Larry Carr and others are well known.  Along with the "other fellow", she has caused people to leave the DZ thread and to the creation of a number of other threads including this one.  If Jo wishes to continue to post about Duane Weber there is apparently no reason why she cannot do so on DZ.  In fact, she might even find more readers there now who have time to read her posts as well as those of the "other fellow".

Therefore, I suggest that Jo Weber, NOT be allowed to post on this thread.  Her posts have not added anything to Cooper research in the past and there is no reason that believe that they would do so on this thread.

Robert99     

Ok...I recognize there are people who helped drag down "the other forum" that would do the same to this forum and have to be excluded.  I hope if we do prevent some people from posting, though, it would be the exception rather than the rule.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on February 26, 2014, 09:30:30 PM
My opinion, though not sought, is that if Jo and Bruce can make peace then I'm all for her being allowed on.

I just think it needs to be made abundantly clear that talk about suspects are posted in the right place. This, of course, goes for everyone. I say that, because I'm sure it's just a matter of time before greycop shows up.

I may make that Cowards List yet!!!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 26, 2014, 10:25:33 PM
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Is there any way to fix it so that when we select a certain discussion that it takes us to the last page of the discussion instead of the first page? Just like TOS did. This may be something that I have to set in my profile, but I didn't see anything like that. Thanks.

Yes, it's a bit of pain, but after you are ready to post your comment. look below where it says attachments and other options. click on that and you will see "return to topic" check it. I'm trying to resolve the issue so we don't have to do that.

Not sure if this is what you are talking about, but there is another way to return to topic without checking the return to topic button on each post.
If you go to profile, then account settings, then modify profile, then layout and look, there one that says return to topic by default. (this is for after you post, it takes you back to the topic instead of the main screen)

Also you can have it default to" last post on top" there also. Not a perfect fix, but at least you're on the right page.


Ok, I understand now, I misread your post the other day. I'll go in and change everyone's so they won't have that problem  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 26, 2014, 10:32:51 PM
***ATTENTION***

.

To All:
I changed the post setting in all of your profiles. you should now be directed back to the post you were on thanks to the wisdom of smokin99. I looked everywhere but not in the profile. F for shutter today lol oh crap, I think I forgot myself...F-   8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 26, 2014, 11:14:24 PM
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I would welcome Jo to this site, but first I think that she should offer a written apology to me and all those whom she has defamed with untruths and thinly veiled charcter assassinations.

I have repeatedly told Jo that over the phone, in emails and on forums. Speciifically, I have insisted on an written apology from her both at the DZ and on the Word Press blog, but Jo refuses.  She has planted her flag, and she's not moving towards reconciliation.

Frankly, Shutter, I am surprised that you let Jo get this far.  I'm disappointed. I consider Jo Weber to be highly toxic and destructive.

If Jo is here, I'm not.

Well, first of all she signed in after on was off the computer. I wanted to hear your side of what to do. please understand where I am with this. how about we put Jo on hold until she speaks with you. I have a lot on my plate at the moment. I just got home, so let me know what you think about my direction. I just received an email from her last night speaking of not coming onto either site. I didn't reply to the email. I woke up and seen she signed in. life is not over at this point. I value your opinion, so that is what I have come up with.

as it stands now, it's two against her right now. I will email her about the decision of holding her joining back until she speaks with you. that sounds fair to me?

Please Advise.

Added: I sent Jo an email explaining the reasons for the hold. she can not post at this time. from this point, I believe the problem should be solved offline.

Of course, do what you think is best for the Cooper discussion.  For me, I need Jo to be held accountable for her actions. If this forum fails to do that, then I am unable to participate. 

I know that sounds like "It's either me or Jo," but I see it as insisting on civil behaviors from all posters at all times.  Jo has baggage.  She doesn't come here fresh, so she needs to apologize.

Plus she has the DZ. She has made her bed over there, so to speak, so let her sleep there.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 26, 2014, 11:30:24 PM
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My opinion, though not sought, is that if Jo and Bruce can make peace then I'm all for her being allowed on.

I just think it needs to be made abundantly clear that talk about suspects are posted in the right place. This, of course, goes for everyone. I say that, because I'm sure it's just a matter of time before greycop shows up.

I may make that Cowards List yet!!!


Unfortunately we have no room for Paul either. he really screwed up posting phone numbers. there will be no community effort to save him. although we are still missing some key members, I hope we can continue the fresh air that this has provided. I don't look forward to blocking people, but decisions must be made to keep order in the house. I spoke with Jo by email several times tonite. she understands what transpired, and why. that's all I have to say about this issue. it's such a thrill going thru these categories and seeing good things posted. I want this atmosphere to continue. it's up to us as a group to allow this.  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Jerry Thomas on February 27, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
How do you work this thing? Now is this going to be the preferred site for all discussions?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 27, 2014, 12:29:48 AM
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How do you work this thing? Now is this going to be the preferred site for all discussions?

Hi Jerry, welcome to the forum. once you signed in you should see a area called General Discussion. click on that and different categories will be listed. just pick one and then you can read and catch up, or skip thru the pages. if you have any problems past that point just let me know. I'll guide you thru them.

we are hoping this will be a preferred site, but that will tell with time.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Jerry Thomas on February 27, 2014, 12:41:41 AM
Thanks Shutter, I'll just pop in every so often to see how every one is doing.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 27, 2014, 04:11:33 AM
Welcome aboard, Jerry.  What's new in your part of Cooper World?  We missed you in Tacoma and Ariel last November.  What happened?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Coopsnoop on February 27, 2014, 04:29:25 AM
Bruce Smith deserves to be in this forum, and I hope Shutter makes allowances for him as the preferred poster.   Howdy Jerry Thomas.   Heard alot about you.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 27, 2014, 06:39:33 AM
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Bruce Smith deserves to be in this forum, and I hope Shutter makes allowances for him as the preferred poster.   Howdy Jerry Thomas.   Heard alot about you.


I think everything has been taken care of. Jo will not be posting on the forum. Bruce is valued highly to me  and this forum.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on February 27, 2014, 09:13:12 AM
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My opinion, though not sought, is that if Jo and Bruce can make peace then I'm all for her being allowed on.

I just think it needs to be made abundantly clear that talk about suspects are posted in the right place. This, of course, goes for everyone. I say that, because I'm sure it's just a matter of time before greycop shows up.

I may make that Cowards List yet!!!




Unfortunately we have no room for Paul either. he really screwed up posting phone numbers. there will be no community effort to save him. although we are still missing some key members, I hope we can continue the fresh air that this has provided. I don't look forward to blocking people, but decisions must be made to keep order in the house. I spoke with Jo by email several times tonite. she understands what transpired, and why. that's all I have to say about this issue. it's such a thrill going thru these categories and seeing good things posted. I want this atmosphere to continue. it's up to us as a group to allow this.  8)

No problem there. He didn't exactly bring a lot to the table....other than the cowards list.  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on February 27, 2014, 03:14:06 PM
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Thanks Shutter, I'll just pop in every so often to see how every one is doing.

Hello sir! How is H doing?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 27, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
"No problem there. He didn't exactly bring a lot to the table....other than the cowards list."

The guy was a trip that's for sure. I wonder what his story is now? he claims just about everyone with the FBI agreed with his evidence, but no headlines yet  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 27, 2014, 08:14:32 PM
I'm trying something new on the Word Press discussion site.  I've formed a new page based upon the first chapter of my book on Cooper.  I think it might give that other site a new twist or a second reason to visit it.

The current site here seems to be gaining strength - so we can share information and  have healthy discussions here - while "my" site can be a platform for focused comments or an expanded form of discussion. Besides, my book needs some kind of platform and Internet presence.

I hope it doesn't take anything away from this site, but only expand our options. If it gets in the way or fragments our focus on Cooper, I make a change.

Here's the link to my site: http://dbcooperblog.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/10/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 27, 2014, 08:26:07 PM
Bruce, would you like me to open a category for The Mountain News? no problem to make.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 28, 2014, 12:37:53 AM
It might make more sense to post a link to the Word Press blog, rather than to the Mountain News. On second thought, perhaps I should just post here what I post on the blog.  I'll try it unless it proves too unwieldy.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 28, 2014, 12:41:52 AM
Here's my latest version of Chapter One from my book, currently titled: "DB Cooper and the FBI - A report on the only unsolved skyjacking in the history of the United States."

Chapter 1
An introduction to DB Cooper and the FBI’s investigation


The DB Cooper hijacking is a stunning true-crime story, filled with mystery and complexity. We don’t know who Cooper was or if he survived, nor the fate of the $200,000 in ransom - except for $5,800 in twenties that a kid found eight years later buried on a Columbia River beach. Plus, no one knows how the money got there or when.

The Cooper case is baffling and it remains America’s only unsolved skyjacking. Hundreds of FBI agents have worked the case along with scores of local police.

Yet, the Cooper case, called “Norjak” by the FBI – an acronym of Northwest Orient Airlines hijacking – also gives us a keen view into the workings of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

It is increasingly evident that the FBI’s investigation of Norjak has been flawed. Arguably, it has been compromised or even corrupted.

Most damning is the fact that the FBI has lost its most valuable piece of evidence - the eight cigarette butts DB Cooper smoked and left aboard the plane – and these butts were the ideal substances to reveal Cooper’s exact DNA.

Worse, the butts were not secured in the evidence room at the FBI’s Seattle office, which is the Office of Origin for Norjak, and should have been the repository of such important artifacts. Rather, they were stored in Las Vegas due to a bureaucratic turf battle.

Worst, though, the cigarette butts went missing only after their true value was realized.

Additionally, an FBI agent has vanished as well, and the FBI’s de facto technical expert in the case was murdered in his Woodinville, Washington home in 2013.

Further digging into the FBI’s investigation reveals numerous examples of inconsistency, sloppy police work, and hints of a cover-up, such as the FBI’s inability to pinpoint the plane’s flight path, and their inexplicable delay of nearly five months in mounting an extensive ground search.

Yet, to accurately assess the actions of the FBI it is necessary to fully understand the details of Norjak.

Cooper’s skyjacking was straightforward. In November 1971, he commandeered a Northwest Orient jetliner in Portland, Oregon, bound for Seattle, Washington, using a bomb in a briefcase for persuasion. At Seattle-Tacoma International Airport he released his 36 passengers in exchange for the $200,000 and four parachutes. After refueling, Cooper ordered the flight crew to head to Mexico, and he jumped into the rainy skies of south of Seattle with the money sack tied around his waist. However, nothing has ever been found - no body, no parachutes, no bomb, and no money - except for the aforementioned bundle of twenties discovered on the Columbia. His identity is still unknown.

In fact, it is as if DB Cooper came from nowhere and returned there when he jumped.

Thousands of us have looked for Cooper, seeking at least a shred of evidence or an inkling of who he was. Our quest is truly a hunt because it is primal, visceral and impassioned. One researcher told me that he puts himself to sleep at night thinking about the skyjacking, and I have frequently written about the case in the wee hours myself. When my fellow investigators and I gather, arguments about Cooper result in spittle flying across the discussion table along with verbal fisticuffs.

Culturally, millions champion DB Cooper as a man who beat the system – a master criminal who perpetrated a daring and innovative crime, completely outsmarting “the man.”

As for the FBI, the Bureau has investigated over 1,100 credible suspects. Officially, the case is still open.

Although the Norjak investigation is troubled, many FBI agents have worked diligently on the case. The night Cooper skyjacked his plane, every G-man in the Seattle field office, over thirty agents, were deployed on the case – either securing the perimeter of Sea-Tac Airport, interviewing the passengers and flight crew, or managing the actual hijacking via radio through the Seattle Center FAA tower.

Several hours later over two-hundred FBI agents and local police awaited Cooper’s plane in Reno as it landed for a second refueling.

In April 1972, hundreds of soldiers and local law enforcement, plus dozens of FBI agents scoured the fields and woodlands around Ariel, WA, the area Northwest Orient officials declared was the most likely landing zone for DB Cooper.

Nevertheless, over the years Cooper has been cheered by many, including some of the cops looking for him. His exploits are a modern-day Call of the Wild, awaking both the inner sleuth within us and our longing to be Robin Hood by striking a blow against the Powers That Be.

Yet, even though I’d always been aware of Cooper’s iconic status in American folklore, I’d never paid him much attention. When Cooper hijacked his plane, I was living in New York and attending college, but after re-locating to Washington I became reacquainted with the story while covering an air-show for the Pierce County (WA) Dispatch.

While perusing the dozens of vintage aircraft gathered at Thun Field in Puyallup, Washington, I was elated to see a beautifully restored Fairchild 24, a single-winged plane from the 1930s, the “Rolls-Royce” of private airplanes for its day. While growing up in New York, I loved building model airplanes and the first balsa wood job I made was a Fairchild. Now, for the first time, I was seeing one for real.

Sensing my appreciation the owner, Ron Forman, came over and we started talking. But after a few minutes in the broiling sun Ron suggested we retreat to the shade under the starboard wing, where we camped in his lawn chairs and drank ice-cold cokes. Relaxing, I saw a book on the ground next to his chair that was titled, “DB Cooper...something…Legend…something…Death…,” and I said, “Are you into DB Cooper, Ron?”

“Heck, yeah!” he replied. “My wife and I just wrote that book!”

For the rest of the afternoon, Ron regaled me with his story.

“Besides the Fairchild, my wife and I have a Cessna 140, and for years on the weekends we'd fly with a few other Cessna 140 pilots here at Thun Field. One of them, Barb Dayton, confessed to being DB Cooper during one of our coffee breaks in some airport when we were arguing about an aspect of the DB Cooper skyjacking. Our book is about her life and how she did the skyjacking.”

“Barb? I thought DB Cooper was a guy!” I answered.

“Yeah, he was, and Barb also told us that she was the first person in Washington State to get a sex-change operation. She used to be Bobby Dayton before 1969.”

So right at the beginning I knew the DB Cooper story was going to be a wild ride.

As Ron continued I learned that Barb/Bobby was a sky diver and an exceptionally skilled pilot. In addition, she was also an explosive expert and dare devil – working aboard ammunition ships before her sex-change operation and sailed between San Francisco and Saigon where he killed a VC sapper with his bare hands during a late night sneak attack.

Bobby had also fought in WW II with head hunters in the jungles of Borneo against the Japanese. He was even chased by a grizzly in the Yukon while panning for gold.
Wow, what a story, I thought.

Ron and I spent the rest of the day talking Cooper. From what I gleaned about Barb, it seems she did the skyjacking to prove to herself that she still had cajones.

“Barb would tell us all these incredible stories that we only half-believed, but when she died in 2002 my wife and I started checking everything out and it all proved true – except the DB Cooper confession, which we haven’t confirmed yet, and for that we need a DNA analysis from the FBI, but they won’t even return our phone calls or emails – not a single one!”

I found such resistance very troubling. Doesn’t the FBI want to hear about a confession from DB Cooper?

It didn’t seem right. So, I decided to launch my own investigation and see what was wrong with the FBI. Plus, I wanted to know the truth of the remarkable Ms. Dayton.

Ron educated me on the basics of Norjak, arming me with the contact information for many of the individuals associated with the case.

Sadly, once I started contacting Norjak principals I encountered more official impediments.
Former FBI investigator, Ralph Himmelsbach, the Cooper case agent in Portland, Oregon and now retired, refused to discuss the case with me unless I paid him $600 per interview.

Additionally, Himmelsbach’s counterpart in Seattle, Ron Nichols, has thoroughly stonewalled me on all phone calls and letters.

The one official I did speak with about the case, Larry Carr, the FBI’s Cooper case agent from 2007-2009, was adversarial – bullying me throughout our twenty-minute phone call.

Organizationally, I have also been rebuffed.

The current case agent as I write this, Curtis Eng, declines to discuss the case with me in any form, nor has any representative from the FBI attended any of the professional gatherings focused on the skyjacking, such as the DB Cooper Symposium in Portland in 2011, or a similar event held in 2013 at the Washington State Historical Museum in Tacoma.

As a reporter at the Dispatch, I have covered dozens of murders and major crimes that range from city jurisdictions to country sheriffs, and several cases have involved federal agencies, such as the DEA. From that I have long known that law enforcement is leery of the media. Their public information officers routinely tell us only what they want us to know, when they want us to know it. In effect, the police simply view us as a way to distribute their side of the story, and they rarely discuss complex aspects of a case with reporters.

From those dealings I have learned that the central mission of law enforcement is not to catch criminals or fight crime – if that was the case then half of our country’s cops would be camped on Wall Street. Rather, the primary purpose of the police is to protect the interests of the powerful, and the Cooper case is one of the most egregious examples of public disregard by law enforcement I’ve witnessed.

Further, not only has the FBI withheld information from the media, it has withheld evidence among its own agents and between field offices.

Agents are competitive and the Bureau isn’t very skilled in solving complex cases that involve multiple jurisdictions, as we saw in the 9-11 attacks when the FBI had trouble “connecting the dots.” In Norjak, three main field offices of the FBI shared the case: Portland, where the skyjacking began; Seattle, where the ransom exchange took place and the on-going skyjacking was managed; and Las Vegas, where the retrieved evidence was stored presumably because the lead agents in Reno were based in Vegas.

Later, as the dozen or so of Cooper copycats began hijacking airplanes, other field offices got involved in the Cooper investigation, particularly the Salt Lake City office. So a fourth, major FBI field office landed solidly into the Norjak mix.

In addition, the case is huge – generating rooms-full of documents – so it is understandable that the records are not properly organized. But the information on Cooper is so disorganized, contradictory or confusing that Cooper case agents appear befuddled when they speak publicly. At times agents, such as Larry Carr, have presented a haphazard view of the investigation, particularly when it comes to parsing details such on the role of parachute expert Earl Cossey and his assessment on the type of parachute Cooper selected for his getaway. In fact, it seems that Norjak investigators have not read much of their documents in the case file, and rely mostly on anecdotal narratives passed down from case agent to case agent. Additionally, Cooper case agents are rotated every two years on average, further eroding investigatory consistency.

As a result, the Norjak case appears to be in disarray. The mess is so complete that these days the FBI has to ask journalists for the phone numbers of Norjak’s witnesses.

In addition, young agents don’t have any personal knowledge of Norjak and they stumble in their efforts to identify the principals of the case.

With such a muddle it is not surprising there are rumors of an extensive cover-up within the Bureau, hinting at a deeper involvement with Big Money and Big Power.

Welcome to one of the greatest American crime mysteries.

Has there been a cover-up? Has the FBI’s investigation has been squashed by powerful sources claiming “national security” concerns? Or is the FBI just sloppy, overwhelmed, or unlucky?
Perhaps Cooper outsmarted the FBI and the feds don’t want the public to know?

Maybe Mother Nature stuffed Cooper into a tiny hole somewhere in the wilds of Washington along with his parachutes, the money, and a bomb in a briefcase?

Even though this book is about the FBI investigation as much as it is DB Cooper, I don’t solve the case or prove a conspiracy. I just offer my findings – who said what, and as far as I can determine, why.

It’s also my effort through truth-telling to deliver a measure of justice to the incompetent, the hubristic, and the power-hungry.

So, follow me through the details of this astounding crime and subsequent investigation, and come to your own conclusions.






Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MeyerLouie on February 28, 2014, 02:52:53 AM
Hi y'all, just checking in....Meyer
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 28, 2014, 02:59:40 AM
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It might make more sense to post a link to the Word Press blog, rather than to the Mountain News. On second thought, perhaps I should just post here what I post on the blog.  I'll try it unless it proves too unwieldy.


Here's the link:

http://dbcooperblog.wordpress.com/2014/02/28/db-cooper-and-the-fbi-chapter-1/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 28, 2014, 06:32:38 AM
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Hi y'all, just checking in....Meyer


Hi Meyer, welcome to the forum. If you have any problems just give a shout.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: B-Ingram on February 28, 2014, 01:08:48 PM
I'm glad to see someone change the pace of the cooper discussion! Shutter, nice job on the site! Hey Bruce,hope to read what you have to input Rather than Jo. That will be my one and only neg. comment. I've always enjoyed reading educated theories and facts Regarding to the whole DB Cooper Mistry. My involvement in 1980 was such a small part of the cooper Evolution,it's what you guys are doing that keeps it alive!  I Applaud you all!!!     Just remember to keep God first,and that will be my one and only Religious comment!    Thanks for allowing me to be here!  Brian Ingram
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on February 28, 2014, 02:38:08 PM
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I'm glad to see someone change the pace of the cooper discussion! Shutter, nice job on the site! Hey Bruce,hope to read what you have to input Rather than Jo. That will be my one and only neg. comment. I've always enjoyed reading educated theories and facts Regarding to the whole DB Cooper Mistry. My involvement in 1980 was such a small part of the cooper Evolution,it's what you guys are doing that keeps it alive!  I Applaud you all!!!     Just remember to keep God first,and that will be my one and only Religious comment!    Thanks for allowing me to be here!  Brian Ingram

Brian, Welcome to the forum.  Everyone here will be delighted to see what you have to say on the Cooper matter.  It appears you were following the Cooper thread on DZ.com and know what was going on there.

Again, welcome and please start posting regularly.

Robert99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 28, 2014, 05:13:39 PM
Welcome aboard, Brian.  It's good to hear your voice.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 28, 2014, 05:43:28 PM
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I'm glad to see someone change the pace of the cooper discussion! Shutter, nice job on the site! Hey Bruce,hope to read what you have to input Rather than Jo. That will be my one and only neg. comment. I've always enjoyed reading educated theories and facts Regarding to the whole DB Cooper Mistry. My involvement in 1980 was such a small part of the cooper Evolution,it's what you guys are doing that keeps it alive!  I Applaud you all!!!     Just remember to keep God first,and that will be my one and only Religious comment!    Thanks for allowing me to be here!  Brian Ingram


Thanks for the compliment Brian, and welcome to the forum. I enjoy hearing first hand information, although you might think your part was small, your an icon to the Cooper case. I'm honored that you joined this group. I don't believe I've see you post anywhere else, so it's a pleasure to have you aboard sir. If you have any questions about the site, just give a shout, and I'll try my best to assist.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 28, 2014, 06:50:09 PM
Earl Cossey Update:

For those wondering whata been's going on with the Earl J Cossey murder investigation, here's the latest from Sgt Cindi West about what our boys and girls in blue have been doing in King County:



Deputy Arrested after Accident; Possible Medical Issue

Mill Creek- a King County Sheriff’s deputy was arrested this morning after he rear ended a car early in his shift.
 
The accident occurred just before 7 AM near NE132nd St. and Bothell/Everett Hwy.   Mill Creek officers responded and noticed signs of impairment from the deputy. 
 
A Washington State Patrol drug recognition expert was request after alcohol was ruled not a likely factor.   WSP obtained a search warrant and had blood drawn from the deputy.  The deputy was processed and released pending results of the blood test.

The other driver suffered very minor injuries but was taken for observation to a hospital as a precaution.

The deputy, age 47, is a 19 year veteran currently assigned to the City of Shoreline.

Mill Creek Police will conduct the criminal investigation. 

 The King County Sheriff’s Office will conduct a separate internal investigation into the matter.   “We will wait for the blood results to determine the cause of the impairment and then complete the internal investigation”, said Sheriff John Urquhart.

The deputy has been placed on administrative leave which is standard while the investigation is ongoing.   

**************
Specific to the Cossey case, it got bumped to the Major Case Squad about six months ago.  I haven't heard a thing since. - BAS

 

 

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: EVickiW on February 28, 2014, 07:23:35 PM
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Earl Cossey Update:

For those wondering whata been's going on with the Earl J Cossey murder investigation, here's the latest from Sgt Cindi West about what our boys and girls in blue have been doing in King County:



Deputy Arrested after Accident; Possible Medical Issue

Mill Creek- a King County Sheriff’s deputy was arrested this morning after he rear ended a car early in his shift.
 
The accident occurred just before 7 AM near NE132nd St. and Bothell/Everett Hwy.   Mill Creek officers responded and noticed signs of impairment from the deputy. 
 
A Washington State Patrol drug recognition expert was request after alcohol was ruled not a likely factor.   WSP obtained a search warrant and had blood drawn from the deputy.  The deputy was processed and released pending results of the blood test.

The other driver suffered very minor injuries but was taken for observation to a hospital as a precaution.

The deputy, age 47, is a 19 year veteran currently assigned to the City of Shoreline.

Mill Creek Police will conduct the criminal investigation. 

 The King County Sheriff’s Office will conduct a separate internal investigation into the matter.   “We will wait for the blood results to determine the cause of the impairment and then complete the internal investigation”, said Sheriff John Urquhart.

The deputy has been placed on administrative leave which is standard while the investigation is ongoing.   

**************
Specific to the Cossey case, it got bumped to the Major Case Squad about six months ago.  I haven't heard a thing since. - BAS

When I was in Seattle  8) the weekend of February 8th, we went to look at Cossey's house. Because what else would I do when in Woodinville.  Here is a picture.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on February 28, 2014, 07:44:41 PM
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Earl Cossey Update:

For those wondering whata been's going on with the Earl J Cossey murder investigation, here's the latest from Sgt Cindi West about what our boys and girls in blue have been doing in King County:



Deputy Arrested after Accident; Possible Medical Issue

Mill Creek- a King County Sheriff’s deputy was arrested this morning after he rear ended a car early in his shift.
 
The accident occurred just before 7 AM near NE132nd St. and Bothell/Everett Hwy.   Mill Creek officers responded and noticed signs of impairment from the deputy. 
 
A Washington State Patrol drug recognition expert was request after alcohol was ruled not a likely factor.   WSP obtained a search warrant and had blood drawn from the deputy.  The deputy was processed and released pending results of the blood test.

The other driver suffered very minor injuries but was taken for observation to a hospital as a precaution.

The deputy, age 47, is a 19 year veteran currently assigned to the City of Shoreline.

Mill Creek Police will conduct the criminal investigation. 

 The King County Sheriff’s Office will conduct a separate internal investigation into the matter.   “We will wait for the blood results to determine the cause of the impairment and then complete the internal investigation”, said Sheriff John Urquhart.

The deputy has been placed on administrative leave which is standard while the investigation is ongoing.   

**************
Specific to the Cossey case, it got bumped to the Major Case Squad about six months ago.  I haven't heard a thing since. - BAS

Surely they had something else to make them automatically think drugs since they are pretty much ruining his reputation.  :)
There's lots of things other than drugs -- TIA, stroke, hypo/hyper glycemia, electrolyte imbalance, thyroid imbalance, tumors -- to name just a few, that can cause someone to appear impaired. 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 28, 2014, 08:20:16 PM
I guess I'm quick to judge.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 28, 2014, 08:22:30 PM
EVicki-

Yup, you've got Cossey's house.  Snow, too - wow.

By the way, EVic, are you going to tell us why you were in Seattle on the 8th of February????

(smile)....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on February 28, 2014, 08:47:32 PM
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I guess I'm quick to judge.

You didn't judge -  I wasn't referring to you, I was talking about the tone of the article and the info which obviously came from the sheriff's dept. I don't think they mentioned drugs, but with words like impairment, arrested, criminal investigation that's where my mind went. No words in the article about possible medical causes so just saying I hope they had more on him than just acting impaired.  :)  8)
Speaking of which...I think I'm gonna go fix me an impairment inducer.  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 28, 2014, 08:55:19 PM
"I think I'm gonna go fix me an impairment inducer"

I'm on it...coming right up  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 28, 2014, 09:24:58 PM
with all of the great things happening on here got me thinking about my Father. most of you know I lost him last November. He was a great man. like most younger guys, he joined the Navy. He served aboard the USS Randolph, an aircraft carrier. he was part of the Mercury project, and was involved with the Cuban Missile Crisis. he loved that ship. frankly, he wouldn't shut up about it, but I loved hearing the stories, even if I already knew them  8) not long after the Navy, he started working in the soda business. he did that for almost 30 years.

oops, I wasn't done lol

I made a short video dedicated to my Father I thought I would share with you guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eG-YJeb--4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eG-YJeb--4)

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: EVickiW on February 28, 2014, 09:46:48 PM
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EVicki-

Yup, you've got Cossey's house.  Snow, too - wow.

By the way, EVic, are you going to tell us why you were in Seattle on the 8th of February????

(smile)....

Sure...the same reason why I will be there the 7 - 10th of March.  :-*
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: EVickiW on February 28, 2014, 09:52:04 PM
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oops, I wasn't done lol

I made a short video dedicated to my Father I thought I would share with you guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eG-YJeb--4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eG-YJeb--4)

A perfect tribute to remember your dad.  :)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on February 28, 2014, 10:51:48 PM
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oops, I wasn't done lol

I made a short video dedicated to my Father I thought I would share with you guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eG-YJeb--4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eG-YJeb--4)

A perfect tribute to remember your dad.  :)

+1 :)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on February 28, 2014, 11:24:59 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 01, 2014, 01:04:45 AM
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EVicki-

Yup, you've got Cossey's house.  Snow, too - wow.

By the way, EVic, are you going to tell us why you were in Seattle on the 8th of February????

(smile)....


Sure...the same reason why I will be there the 7 - 10th of March.  :-*



Thanks for clearing that up, eh, E Vic.....




Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MarkBennett on March 01, 2014, 01:09:59 AM
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EVicki-

Yup, you've got Cossey's house.  Snow, too - wow.

By the way, EVic, are you going to tell us why you were in Seattle on the 8th of February????

(smile)....


Sure...the same reason why I will be there the 7 - 10th of March.  :-*



Thanks for clearing that up, eh, E Vic.....

You're going to be in Seattle again?  Maybe I'll see you. ;)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 01, 2014, 01:50:25 AM
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Earl Cossey Update:

For those wondering whata been's going on with the Earl J Cossey murder investigation, here's the latest from Sgt Cindi West about what our boys and girls in blue have been doing in King County:



Deputy Arrested after Accident; Possible Medical Issue

Mill Creek- a King County Sheriff’s deputy was arrested this morning after he rear ended a car early in his shift.
 
The accident occurred just before 7 AM near NE132nd St. and Bothell/Everett Hwy.   Mill Creek officers responded and noticed signs of impairment from the deputy. 
 
A Washington State Patrol drug recognition expert was request after alcohol was ruled not a likely factor.   WSP obtained a search warrant and had blood drawn from the deputy.  The deputy was processed and released pending results of the blood test.

The other driver suffered very minor injuries but was taken for observation to a hospital as a precaution.

The deputy, age 47, is a 19 year veteran currently assigned to the City of Shoreline.

Mill Creek Police will conduct the criminal investigation. 

 The King County Sheriff’s Office will conduct a separate internal investigation into the matter.   “We will wait for the blood results to determine the cause of the impairment and then complete the internal investigation”, said Sheriff John Urquhart.

The deputy has been placed on administrative leave which is standard while the investigation is ongoing.   

**************
Specific to the Cossey case, it got bumped to the Major Case Squad about six months ago.  I haven't heard a thing since. - BAS

When I was in Seattle  8) the weekend of February 8th, we went to look at Cossey's house. Because what else would I do when in Woodinville.  Here is a picture.

You're welcome.

nice place - sad.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 01, 2014, 01:51:50 AM
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"I think I'm gonna go fix me an impairment inducer"

I'm on it...coming right up  8)

good idea! back in ten ...  ;)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 01, 2014, 01:53:44 AM
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I'm glad to see someone change the pace of the cooper discussion! Shutter, nice job on the site! Hey Bruce,hope to read what you have to input Rather than Jo. That will be my one and only neg. comment. I've always enjoyed reading educated theories and facts Regarding to the whole DB Cooper Mistry. My involvement in 1980 was such a small part of the cooper Evolution,it's what you guys are doing that keeps it alive!  I Applaud you all!!!     Just remember to keep God first,and that will be my one and only Religious comment!    Thanks for allowing me to be here!  Brian Ingram

Hi Brian - glad to have you!  :)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 01, 2014, 01:55:51 AM
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I'm glad to see someone change the pace of the cooper discussion! Shutter, nice job on the site! Hey Bruce,hope to read what you have to input Rather than Jo. That will be my one and only neg. comment. I've always enjoyed reading educated theories and facts Regarding to the whole DB Cooper Mistry. My involvement in 1980 was such a small part of the cooper Evolution,it's what you guys are doing that keeps it alive!  I Applaud you all!!!     Just remember to keep God first,and that will be my one and only Religious comment!    Thanks for allowing me to be here!  Brian Ingram

I could not agree more - welcome again!! Consider this a safe home. Shutter is steering the ship
and is a wise thoughtful pilot ... frankly, it's great to have you.
Brian, Welcome to the forum.  Everyone here will be delighted to see what you have to say on the Cooper matter.  It appears you were following the Cooper thread on DZ.com and know what was going on there.

Again, welcome and please start posting regularly.

Robert99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 01, 2014, 07:02:26 PM
I just looked at the stats. I'm seeing 1031 views counting all categories. 176 posts. this has been done in just a few days. I believe I started it Feb. 24, 2014. WOW, amazing job people. two shutters up says Dave Brown lol.

Let's show'em how it's done!!

my screen shot is a little over sized. there is a slide bar under the pic for left & right.. :D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MeyerLouie on March 04, 2014, 02:35:11 AM
Shutter,

I have been canvasing the new site, and I have to say it's amazing.  In just one week, there has been more real information exchanged about the case than I've seen in a long time.  I like the categories and freedom to roam about.  It's different, it's a work in progress, but already it's a breath of fresh air.  It was so good to hear from Brian and to get to finally talk to Galen.  Great job Shutter, thanks for all your effort to make this possible for us.  Meyer

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I just looked at the stats. I'm seeing 1031 views counting all categories. 176 posts. this has been done in just a few days. I believe I started it Feb. 24, 2014. WOW, amazing job people. two shutters up says Dave Brown lol.

Let's show'em how it's done!!

my screen shot is a little over sized. there is a slide bar under the pic for left & right.. :D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MeyerLouie on March 04, 2014, 02:38:46 AM
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I'm glad to see someone change the pace of the cooper discussion! Shutter, nice job on the site! Hey Bruce,hope to read what you have to input Rather than Jo. That will be my one and only neg. comment. I've always enjoyed reading educated theories and facts Regarding to the whole DB Cooper Mistry. My involvement in 1980 was such a small part of the cooper Evolution,it's what you guys are doing that keeps it alive!  I Applaud you all!!!     Just remember to keep God first,and that will be my one and only Religious comment!    Thanks for allowing me to be here!  Brian Ingram

I could not agree more - welcome again!! Consider this a safe home. Shutter is steering the ship
and is a wise thoughtful pilot ... frankly, it's great to have you.
Brian, Welcome to the forum.  Everyone here will be delighted to see what you have to say on the Cooper matter.  It appears you were following the Cooper thread on DZ.com and know what was going on there.

Again, welcome and please start posting regularly.

Robert99

Really nice to hear from you Brian, haven't talked with you since after the 2011 symposium in Portland.  You are such an integral part of the history of the case, forever etched, so glad to hear from you.  Meyer
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MeyerLouie on March 04, 2014, 02:45:07 AM
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with all of the great things happening on here got me thinking about my Father. most of you know I lost him last November. He was a great man. like most younger guys, he joined the Navy. He served aboard the USS Randolph, an aircraft carrier. he was part of the Mercury project, and was involved with the Cuban Missile Crisis. he loved that ship. frankly, he wouldn't shut up about it, but I loved hearing the stories, even if I already knew them  8) not long after the Navy, he started working in the soda business. he did that for almost 30 years.

oops, I wasn't done lol

I made a short video dedicated to my Father I thought I would share with you guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eG-YJeb--4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eG-YJeb--4)

Very touching tribute to your father, Shutter.  Thanks for sharing something so dear and close to your soul.... Meyer
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 04, 2014, 06:41:54 AM
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Shutter,

I have been canvasing the new site, and I have to say it's amazing.  In just one week, there has been more real information exchanged about the case than I've seen in a long time.  I like the categories and freedom to roam about.  It's different, it's a work in progress, but already it's a breath of fresh air.  It was so good to hear from Brian and to get to finally talk to Galen.  Great job Shutter, thanks for all your effort to make this possible for us.  Meyer

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I just looked at the stats. I'm seeing 1031 views counting all categories. 176 posts. this has been done in just a few days. I believe I started it Feb. 24, 2014. WOW, amazing job people. two shutters up says Dave Brown lol.

Let's show'em how it's done!!

my screen shot is a little over sized. there is a slide bar under the pic for left & right.. :D


Thanks Meyer, this gives us the freedom to mold it to our specs. I'm open for any changes made. different themes, or templates of the forum can be changed. categories as well. I like the control because we can say it's our forum. several have already PM'd me about possible improvements. smokin99 has been guiding us through some of the bumps. feedback is welcome. I built it, but the forum itself is a template, so I'm not familiar of what it's capable of as of yet. it's a learning curve for all of us.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 09, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
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Shutter,

I have been canvasing the new site, and I have to say it's amazing.  In just one week, there has been more real information exchanged about the case than I've seen in a long time.  I like the categories and freedom to roam about.  It's different, it's a work in progress, but already it's a breath of fresh air.  It was so good to hear from Brian and to get to finally talk to Galen.  Great job Shutter, thanks for all your effort to make this possible for us.  Meyer

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I just looked at the stats. I'm seeing 1031 views counting all categories. 176 posts. this has been done in just a few days. I believe I started it Feb. 24, 2014. WOW, amazing job people. two shutters up says Dave Brown lol.

Let's show'em how it's done!!

my screen shot is a little over sized. there is a slide bar under the pic for left & right.. :D


Thanks Meyer, this gives us the freedom to mold it to our specs. I'm open for any changes made. different themes, or templates of the forum can be changed. categories as well. I like the control because we can say it's our forum. several have already PM'd me about possible improvements. smokin99 has been guiding us through some of the bumps. feedback is welcome. I built it, but the forum itself is a template, so I'm not familiar of what it's capable of as of yet. it's a learning curve for all of us.

WOW! Just got here tonight and Love the new red format and NEW header WOW! .... very nice imo! 
BTW sent the url to a corporation I know and feedback has been *very* favorable. 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 09, 2014, 11:33:55 PM
Thanks G, they have hundreds of them. very easy to install. I liked this one as well. the blue seemed to standard. thought I'd give it some class  ;D the header was sold separately HaHa

"BTW sent the url to a corporation I know and feedback has been *very* favorable."

Thanks, it's a team effort here....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 10, 2014, 06:13:57 PM
everybody seems to like the new theme on here except the grey in the post section. I'm trying to figure that out. the themes are simple to install, so if I get a lot of negative feedback, it will be switched. keep in mind you can also set it to what you wish. we have a lot of options here.

we have over 2300 views, but only time will tell how the forum will continue. I hope it will continue to be the place to go for discussions of Cooper.

Shutter.

added: I will also get the red and black buttons easier to read. might take a day or two, but I'll fix them along with making the grey area lighter. I don't want hard to read things on a forum.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 11, 2014, 10:28:59 PM
Cossey Homicide Update:

Although the King County Sheriff's Office says the Cossey murder has been bumped up to the Major Case Squad, here is what the regular grunts are dealing with in the jurisdictions surrounding Seattle:

From Sgt Cindi King, PIO of the KCSO:


Date : March 11, 2014
Case#:  14-057470

Man’s Death Ruled Accidental

Woodinville- King County Sheriff’s detective said the death of a man found dead in a Woodinville recycle center last week appears to be accidental.

On Friday March 7th around 2 pm deputies responded to the Cascade Recycle Center in the 14000 block of NE 190th St when an employee found a man’s body in a pile of recycled materials.

Sheriff detectives investigated the scene and the body was taken to the King County Medical Examiner’s Office for an autopsy.  The medical examiner’s office ruled the death an accidental death by crushing or blunt force.

The medical examiner’s office said the victim was identified as 65 year old William Burns.   Burns was known to be homeless and had a documented history of sleeping in recycle bins.  Detectives believe he may have been sleeping in a recycle bin when the bin was picked up and he was crushed inside the recycle truck.


******************
As for Cossey and the MCS, I haven't heard a thing from Sgt King on that front.
   - BAS


Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 14, 2014, 11:30:50 PM
Shutter, I think we need a new category - "Cooper World Gossip."

After all, certain Cooper folks have been flying into Seattle and meeting other certain Cooper folks and I don't know a thing! C'mon Shut, I can't do this all by myself.

Usually I can count on Galen and Meyer to give me a steady dose of the juicy stuff, but they're running dry these days.  Galen is just plain distracted - yeah, a woman's involved, but I don't even know her name. Sigh.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 14, 2014, 11:39:29 PM
Ok, it's up and running. start the juice stuff flowing  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MeyerLouie on March 15, 2014, 03:45:41 AM
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Shutter,

I have been canvasing the new site, and I have to say it's amazing.  In just one week, there has been more real information exchanged about the case than I've seen in a long time.  I like the categories and freedom to roam about.  It's different, it's a work in progress, but already it's a breath of fresh air.  It was so good to hear from Brian and to get to finally talk to Galen.  Great job Shutter, thanks for all your effort to make this possible for us.  Meyer

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I just looked at the stats. I'm seeing 1031 views counting all categories. 176 posts. this has been done in just a few days. I believe I started it Feb. 24, 2014. WOW, amazing job people. two shutters up says Dave Brown lol.

Let's show'em how it's done!!

my screen shot is a little over sized. there is a slide bar under the pic for left & right.. :D

Shutter:

I dropped in on the DZ site and read several  of the posts -- I noticed the two main characters take up most  of the air time there, still, and they have also been threatened with being banned.  Wow,  then what.  Several folks still drop in and post there, but not like before. It's a shell of its former self and the two main characters have pretty much gotten what they want, a forum all to themselves.   

Thanks for keeping order, for not leaving a dark cloud hanging over us with threats of being banned at every turn, for the silliest of whims and reasons.  Any discussion that gets out of hand, you're on top of it, right now!  You are keeping it civil and maintaining order, and the information exchange and discussion is flowing.  I have gotten more information here on the case in just a few short weeks than I got at the other place in several months.  I'm here, and I hope everyone keeps talking, asking, questioning, researching, and discussing the case in all of its facets.  We've got a good thing going here, I hope it keeps going strong.  Thanks for all your work to make it happen.  MeyerLouie   
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 15, 2014, 07:21:56 AM
Thanks Meyer, I'm just trying to provide a good source of information minus all the drama. we have some good people here regardless what others say. things have also slowed down a bit here as well. I'm not looking for an active forum 24/7. I would like to see this forum become the place to seek out information about DB Cooper, and not have to scroll through post after post of nonsense just to find discussion about Cooper. only time will tell if people decide this is the place to go. I also hope more jumpers realize we can be civil and "jump" aboard.  8)

The other site is constantly stuck on two suspects. I'm not against discussing them, but not in the manor it happens "over there". we can pick and choose a topic to discuss. I'm always open for improvements and feedback. I want people to feel they are part of the forum and there voice is heard. It's not just up to me to make this happen, you guys are the key to success in making the forum run.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 21, 2014, 10:08:21 PM
Just a heads up, when you look on the members section you will see the name "Dave". that would be me  8). I had to sign in as a regular member in order to test some functions, such as the ability to change the theme to what ever I have loaded into the system, or to go back to the original theme when the forum started. it's pretty simple to do, and only you will see it. I'm always tinkering around with this learning as I go. if anyone wishes to use this function just let me know if you can't figure it out.

Thanks
Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 22, 2014, 10:38:04 PM
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Just a heads up, when you look on the members section you will see the name "Dave". that would be me  8). I had to sign in as a regular member in order to test some functions, such as the ability to change the theme to what ever I have loaded into the system, or to go back to the original theme when the forum started. it's pretty simple to do, and only you will see it. I'm always tinkering around with this learning as I go. if anyone wishes to use this function just let me know if you can't figure it out.

Thanks
Shutter

I have also added video embedding. all you do know is paste the video link onto the post, and your done. the video will appear in your post, similar to photo's. I had to rearrange the links and video vault. the video's were in between the links. I separated them for easy access.  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2014, 06:27:03 PM
It is not true what is being said on the DZ about this forum being "private" I have multiple spammers coming to the site causing me to engage the proxy blocker. some people who have AOL, especially dial up, goes through a legit proxy server. schools also use them. I have to find the proper filter to correctly address the issue. other people are trying to claim other things. spammers started showing up in the last week. this is the only option I have at the moment. if it affects anyone in the future, let me know. In the past I was turning it on and off because of one individual. I came on here last nite and found 7 spammers viewing the site. I had someone also confirm this.

I am not trying to block the public from anything. I'm protecting the site. I welcome the public, or anyone who has good intentions of discussing the Cooper case. it's not my intention to make the site a "best seller" I'm looking for a place to discuss the case without all the drama attached. certain individuals are stating the opposite. I don't know what else can be done. until a better filter is found, the proxy blocker needs to stay on. I can't be here 24/7. I do find it strange that spammers found this site. it doesn't have a .com, nor can it be searched out easily. If the forum continues, I will get a proper domain for it, but that's if the interest continues. I can't control what is being said on other forums. my job is to work with this one, and everyone here.

Thanks
Shutter

I feel this needs to be added. the proxy blocker on this site does what it is intended to do, block proxies. I have checked it on a Iphone, it worked. I checked it on my tablet, worked. it blocks schools because they run proxies. it blocks AOL dial up. this uses a proxy as well. all dial ups do. so, a small amount of people will be affected by this block. when I find one more reasonable. it will be applied.

https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/usenix04/tech/general/full_papers/wang/wang_html/node9.html

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Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on April 02, 2014, 11:05:40 PM
And your efforts are appreciated! A thankless job no doubt.

New posts over at the DZ greatly out number the new posts on this forum every day. Yet, there are more Cooper related posts on this forum every day than there are at the DZ. That speaks volumes as to why this forum is necessary. Thanks again!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 03, 2014, 12:15:45 AM
Thanks Parrot, my intention was the topic of Cooper, you just don't see that anymore over at DZ. still a lot of good people over there, but it's hard to have any real conversation with constant distortion clogging it up. I want people to enjoy coming here, and not cringe while opening the page only to see nothing about Cooper day after day. you won't find a perfect forum anywhere. tempers will rise at times, but they also fade. it's happened here, and I watched it, and it resolved itself. I'm sure that won't happen everytime, but it shows maturity. I can't please everyone, but I try my best to make things work. I also can't control and remove every post made, or moderate them prior to posting. criticism is tough on everyone.

we have options galore here. we can do things other forums can't. we can work together, mix things up, change the look, change the menu, be heard from the person who started it all. you can speak off topic in certain sections, ask for a new section. you can change the theme to what you wish to see. we have the power by working together as a team. drop links right on the post, highlighting, video embedding. I don't know what else you could possibly ask for in a forum. If it doesn't work. I know I tried my best to make it happen.

Shutter.... 8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on April 03, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
I was thinking (which is never a good sign), it may not be a bad idea to have a section simply for "off topic discussion".  We all have other interests besides Cooper, and inevitably unrelated topics will arise. Just a thought.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 03, 2014, 06:07:07 PM
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I was thinking (which is never a good sign), it may not be a bad idea to have a section simply for "off topic discussion".  We all have other interests besides Cooper, and inevitably unrelated topics will arise. Just a thought.


ok, how about (T.O.T. Totally Off Topic) Basic Conversation.....(Stopped In To Say Hi)....etc. I just got home, so I'll think of better ones, unless you have a topic name in mind?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on April 03, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
Call it the Kenny Christiansen forum...because it has absolutely nothing to do with Cooper!

I'm kidding of course. TOT would work nicely.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 03, 2014, 09:52:41 PM
Good one......makes perfect sense too..
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 16, 2014, 07:46:05 PM
Welcome To The Forum

Hi Pat & Ron, glad you could make it. if you have any problems with the forum just let me know....

Thanks
Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 09, 2014, 10:36:44 AM
I added a new feature. some might not like the addition, but lets see how it goes. the new feature is a chatbox, you can talk with another poster while they are online with the forum. just ignore the option if you don't wish to speak with anyone. nobody else can see the dialog in this "sidebar" communication. it's kinda like a live PM.

you should be able to see the function at the bottom of your screen, above your menu bar.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on May 10, 2014, 04:33:22 AM
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I added a new feature. some might not like the addition, but lets see how it goes. the new feature is a chatbox, you can talk with another poster while they are online with the forum. just ignore the option if you don't wish to speak with anyone. nobody else can see the dialog in this "sidebar" communication. it's kinda like a live PM.

you should be able to see the function at the bottom of your screen, above your menu bar.

Neat!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 14, 2014, 01:31:33 PM
I see all of the forum itself has failed to load up properly. I might have to re-install the theme in order to get it working properly. I'm sure you noticed the icons missing in area's.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 14, 2014, 02:11:02 PM
some of you have are using a different theme thane the red carbon theme I have set. if it doesn't work, let me know because it has to be re-installed. some data was lost in the migration causing some issues that need to be resolved.

you will probably see different variations/themes of the forum for the next couple hours. I have to reconfigure some things, so some bumps will be occurring.

I had to re-install the red carbon theme I was using. give me some time and I'll have the grey and other colors out of the posting area's. work in progress


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Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on May 14, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
Looks good in Rocky Top now.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 14, 2014, 03:46:09 PM
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Looks good in Rocky Top now.


thanks, still working and figuring things out again. I just found a reset button that would of fixed everything. to late now  8) I think we survived the move pretty well though, minimal damage to report  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 14, 2014, 08:08:12 PM
I'm still working on the colors for the post box. I forgot how I did it. I'll figure it out soon. I'm also working on a photo gallery. I'll be slowly adding pics everyday. it will have separate categories for easy quick access if needed.

I had to change all of the themes, several of you were using a different theme. it will have to be redone on your side.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum & Updates
Post by: Shutter on May 16, 2014, 10:44:17 PM
Is anyone having trouble seeing the smiley's while making a post? they are all broken links on this side. the path seems to be fine. I don't know if it's an issue only on my side?
Title: Re: New Forum & Updates
Post by: georger on May 16, 2014, 11:23:45 PM
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Is anyone having trouble seeing the smiley's while making a post? they are all broken links on this side. the path seems to be fine. I don't know if it's an issue only on my side?

not me
Title: Re: New Forum & Updates
Post by: Shutter on May 16, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
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Is anyone having trouble seeing the smiley's while making a post? they are all broken links on this side. the path seems to be fine. I don't know if it's an issue only on my side?

not me


Thanks, the problem is on this side only.....more settings to go through...great.  8)

Added...I have my tablet running, and it's shows the smiley link broken. I have the site on my phone, and it shows the smiley working? computer, and tablet, no smiley. phone, smiley.....oh well.
Title: Re: New Forum & Updates
Post by: georger on May 17, 2014, 01:38:08 AM
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Is anyone having trouble seeing the smiley's while making a post? they are all broken links on this side. the path seems to be fine. I don't know if it's an issue only on my side?

not me


Thanks, the problem is on this side only.....more settings to go through...great.  8)

Added...I have my tablet running, and it's shows the smiley link broken. I have the site on my phone, and it shows the smiley working? computer, and tablet, no smiley. phone, smiley.....oh well.

I could send our IT Dept over!  :)  Im using Firefox and have 13 emoticons plus one labelled cheesy grin and another cool.
Title: Re: New Forum & Updates
Post by: Shutter on May 17, 2014, 01:50:39 AM
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Is anyone having trouble seeing the smiley's while making a post? they are all broken links on this side. the path seems to be fine. I don't know if it's an issue only on my side?

not me


Thanks, the problem is on this side only.....more settings to go through...great.  8)

Added...I have my tablet running, and it's shows the smiley link broken. I have the site on my phone, and it shows the smiley working? computer, and tablet, no smiley. phone, smiley.....oh well.

I could send our IT Dept over!  :)  Im using Firefox and have 13 emoticons plus one labelled cheesy grin and another cool.


I'm sure it's the computer. this thing is on it's last leg. time for a new one. when I open several different sites it will lock up sometimes. it was all showing up yesterday. If it's only a problem here seeing it, I'm not going to bother with it for awhile.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 17, 2014, 11:23:54 PM
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Welcome to the forum airTwardo. feel free to browse the forum, or ask any questions you might need about any of the functions here. it's a tad bit high techy. we have auto links, highlighting, video embedding, sidebar chat, a photo gallery, video & link vault, multiple topics. I think that's it :) once again, welcome.


Shutter

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 23, 2014, 12:37:11 AM
Andy Downs, son of hijacked pilot Brent Downs who was killed in the hijacking will be joining this forum to speak about his story. should be very interesting hearing first hand what really happened. this happened October 4, 1971, just weeks before Cooper.


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Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 23, 2014, 05:44:29 PM
Apparently the hosting service here didn't fix the database issues. I submitted another ticket for them to find the reason the site goes down for periods of minutes, to an hour. this will be the fifth ticket made on this problem. so, if you come to the site and it's down. it shouldn't be but more than a couple minutes. hopefully they will resolve the problem this time around.

They just responded to my ticket"

Hello David,

The issue has been resolved and your website should be back online now at this time. Please let us know if you continue to experience the issue.

Sorry about that....:)

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Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 29, 2014, 08:20:25 PM
The forum is under attack. I've deleted 10 spammers registering today. I had to put the registration on Administration only mode until the reason can be discovered. I sent a ticket to the server. they had an alert about similar attacks on word press sites. so, until this is sorted out, registration will be on a approved basis until further notice. they are coming in at alarming rates trying to post advertising on the forum.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 29, 2014, 09:08:37 PM
Ok, my server told me to include captcha into the forum. I don't like trying to read those stupid numbers & letters all deformed. they came back with which seems to be a very good alternative, it's called cloudflare. it's free, and easy to sign up to. I think I'll try it out.....

It watches over your site, it speeds the site up, it also keeps the site up even if the server goes down. :)

https://www.cloudflare.com/


Ok, minutes later and cloudflare has been activated. let me know if the site loads any faster? it had four options for security. High, Medium, Low, and I'm under attack. I'm pretty sure you know which one I picked.....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 30, 2014, 09:37:03 PM
If you see the picture below while coming into this site. don't be alarmed. it's part of the Cloudflare software put in place that acts as a guardian against any attacks, hackers, or anything dangerous. the site is now what they call "pointing" to another site, or redirect.

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Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 02:35:31 AM
Welcome 18C to out forum. if you have any questions about getting around, or using some of the functions. just give me a shout, and I can walk you through any problems you might run into.


Again, welcome, and hope to hear from you soon.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 05:47:55 PM
I have added the transcripts to the forum. they are from Sluggo's website. I acknowledged where they came from, along with providing a link to his website. hopefully he won't mind linking the two. the thread is locked since the only purpose is to access the files. I thought it would be quicker to access them from here when needed.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on August 26, 2014, 06:14:20 PM
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I have added the transcripts to the forum. they are from Sluggo's website. I acknowledged where they came from, along with providing a link to his website. hopefully he won't mind linking the two. the thread is locked since the only purpose is to access the files. I thought it would be quicker to access them from here when needed.

Shutter

I believe Larry Carr provided all information on those links to Sluggo.

Robert99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 26, 2014, 07:08:09 PM
Excellent, Shut. TY
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2014, 07:14:34 PM
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Excellent, Shut. TY



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Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Sean Walsh PM'd me on DZ asking to register onto this forum. I told him to give me a time frame in which I will open the door allowing him in. I'm assuming he is still interested in the case. I'm currently working on a spam guard that will stop them from registering on the forum. as you already know I had to disable registration until a fix can be provided.

Shutter

Added: I just installed a program called "Stop Forum Spam" this will catch any known spam IP's and hopefully refuse them from entering. I'm opening the registration to see if it works....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MarkBennett on September 01, 2014, 03:50:57 PM
Shutter,
Is there a way registration requests have to be approved by you before the person gets registered?  Or, would you got lots of Spam entries to wade through?  You pretty much know who all of the  registrants are.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 04:26:56 PM
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Shutter,
Is there a way registration requests have to be approved by you before the person gets registered?  Or, would you got lots of Spam entries to wade through?  You pretty much know who all of the  registrants are.


Yes, I currently have the registration set for admin approval. before I installed this program I would come home and find 6+ spammers waiting for approval. this would take about 20 minutes to clear them out. that's why I shut it off until a program was found. it's a huge pain in the butt these spam guys/spambots. this program checks the IP against any known spammers and blocks entry. this program was approved by "skilled" the guy who got the forum back up and running. it's a problem with these forums because they attack them knowing lots of people are on them.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on September 01, 2014, 05:32:55 PM
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Shutter,
Is there a way registration requests have to be approved by you before the person gets registered?  Or, would you got lots of Spam entries to wade through?  You pretty much know who all of the  registrants are.


Yes, I currently have the registration set for admin approval. before I installed this program I would come home and find 6+ spammers waiting for approval. this would take about 20 minutes to clear them out. that's why I shut it off until a program was found. it's a huge pain in the butt these spam guys/spambots. this program checks the IP against any known spammers and blocks entry. this program was approved by "skilled" the guy who got the forum back up and running. it's a problem with these forums because they attack them knowing lots of people are on them.

Our hats off to "Skilled" .....  and Skillet and Crockpot too!  Cheers- bravo@!    ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 05:36:47 PM
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Shutter,
Is there a way registration requests have to be approved by you before the person gets registered?  Or, would you got lots of Spam entries to wade through?  You pretty much know who all of the  registrants are.


Yes, I currently have the registration set for admin approval. before I installed this program I would come home and find 6+ spammers waiting for approval. this would take about 20 minutes to clear them out. that's why I shut it off until a program was found. it's a huge pain in the butt these spam guys/spambots. this program checks the IP against any known spammers and blocks entry. this program was approved by "skilled" the guy who got the forum back up and running. it's a problem with these forums because they attack them knowing lots of people are on them.

Our hats off to "Skilled" .....  and Skillet and Crockpot too!  Cheers- bravo@!    ;) ;) ;)


I had pots & pans on a string all around the forum, but them bastard crawled right underneath and got in  :D :) ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: 18C on September 01, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
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Shutter,
Is there a way registration requests have to be approved by you before the person gets registered?  Or, would you got lots of Spam entries to wade through?  You pretty much know who all of the  registrants are.


Yes, I currently have the registration set for admin approval. before I installed this program I would come home and find 6+ spammers waiting for approval. this would take about 20 minutes to clear them out. that's why I shut it off until a program was found. it's a huge pain in the butt these spam guys/spambots. this program checks the IP against any known spammers and blocks entry. this program was approved by "skilled" the guy who got the forum back up and running. it's a problem with these forums because they attack them knowing lots of people are on them.

Our hats off to "Skilled" .....  and Skillet and Crockpot too!  Cheers- bravo@!    ;) ;) ;)

I had pots & pans on a string all around the forum, but them bastard crawled right underneath and got in  :D :) ;D

It conjures up memories of Catherine Zeta-Jones dodging laser beams in Entrapment  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 06:49:32 PM
 8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on September 01, 2014, 11:43:34 PM
        (http://www.bestanimations.com/Careers/Law/Police/Police-03-june.gif)

Gotta Spammer trying to register, but he can't get in!  :D ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on September 11, 2014, 08:43:55 PM
I didn't want to resort to one of the many weapons I have in the Moderation arsenal, but I've asked politely several times, and used large captions etc. in order to stop people from claiming things about Robert, or Skipp without backing up what they say. this has gone on regardless to what I say, so, I have a program that will stall the site when you try and view it. it will redirect you to another place, put up false messages etc. etc. the program is called "annoy user" which I find ironic since they are annoying me!, and others who have complained. one person is on that list. the only way to be removed is either move on, or contact me explaining why you should have this feature removed.

I have said this several times in the past, a jab, or a punch here and there is no big deal, but when the sole purpose of your presents here surrounds this problem. I must remove the problem. this only causes problems for me! call it what ever you wish "breathing down your neck" I don't really care. people left DZ for this same reason. it's not going to happen here. you are playing right into his hands.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 12, 2014, 10:02:35 PM
A mod's gotta do what a mod's gotta do.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on September 18, 2014, 11:13:58 PM
With the request by Coopsnoop his account has been removed from this forum. it's unfortunate that these things happen over dumb petty arguments. I asked him numerous times to back off the Blevins bus, but he continued his venture. I put his comments on approval status which appears to have upset Coop enough to leave the forum. I was hoping he would contribute some of his knowledge about the case instead of constant bashing that was causing problems for me, and causing other members to complain. I can't allow this to continue. this once again was what I was trying to get away from on DZ.

Coop is more than welcome to return if he decides to start discussing the case, and let Blevins be Blevins elsewhere. I'm in no way what so ever defending Robert. this would apply to anyone who can't post on this forum. I don't trust Robert for anything, but I don't allow myself to go down to his level and tie the thread up with his DRAMA. that's what he lives for.

If someone wishes to speak about something Robert says, or claims. I don't have a problem with that. back up what you disagree about. show some proof, or logic behind your findings. lets not allow Robert to be the main topic of this forum.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 18, 2014, 11:28:29 PM
I concur.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 11, 2014, 04:56:12 PM
I will be trying a new format for this site. I already applied it last week, but wasn't sure about the options until I spoke with "skhilled". I didn't like how it was taking space away from the post, and viewing area's. this can easily be adjusted to work to our benefit. everything will basically be the same except you will see a homepage that will popup first. you click on "forum" in the menu bar to get to the topics. I think it will be a good addition to the site. if anyone has a questions, please respond here, or in a PM if you wish. feedback is always welcome.

I already upgraded the site from 2.0.7 to 2.0.9 which I was a little nervous about because of the modifications I have on the forum. some of them might not have worked, including the theme itself. I also backed up the database files in case that no good Shutter gets the site locked up again  8)

EDIT: Buckwheat, I might need your help as well with some of this. I think you know your way around forums better than I do. I can always use technical advice to help ease into transitions.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Skhilled on October 11, 2014, 06:23:55 PM
Sorry, guys...just read this topic. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: BuckwheatFlowers on October 13, 2014, 11:17:30 PM
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EDIT: Buckwheat, I might need your help as well with some of this. I think you know your way around forums better than I do. I can always use technical advice to help ease into transitions.

If you need me I'd be more than happy to help, but I'm not sure how much help I would be.  I haven't done any work on websites in years.  You probably know more than me on the subject. 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2014, 11:43:38 PM
do you know anything about portals, or blocks as they are called.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2014, 11:48:22 PM
Look at this link. this is what I installed on here, but I'm having a little trouble setting it up.

http://www.ezportal.com/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Skhilled on October 14, 2014, 08:37:52 AM
What's wrong?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2014, 09:12:03 AM
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What's wrong?
Just some issues with the blocks, i am on my phone now, hate typing in a small area😜
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: BuckwheatFlowers on October 14, 2014, 06:50:32 PM
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Look at this link. this is what I installed on here, but I'm having a little trouble setting it up.

http://www.ezportal.com/

Never done anything with ezportal, but i'll check it out this weekend after the game.  We're playing Baylor, so I might check it out before the end of the game.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 16, 2014, 06:14:15 PM
Depending on your anti-virus you might of been getting a warning about this site. I started getting it last night and checked the site and nothing came up. Skhilled just PM'd me stating the samething. we pinpointed the problem being in the SAchat. that's the little bar you see at the bottom of the forum for talking with other members. I just removed the system for security measures just in case.

To recap, I checked the site through a secure site scan and nothing came up, I decided not to take any chances with the program and removed it. the message has stopped on my side. If anyone else has received a similar message please contact me as soon as anything out of the norm happens. I will probably be joining there service to watch over this site. believe it or not, this is a lot of work to keep it up and running, and safe for the members. that's my priority.

If anyone wishes to come aboard and help in anyway they can. just send me a PM. I'll make you an administrator that will have access to the needs required. it wouldn't be much time, or effort. the tasks involved are easy to learn.

Thank You
Shutter...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 16, 2014, 07:05:03 PM
I have had the chat system off for about an hour now and all seems to be ok. I'm reading that sometimes the anti-virus will give false reports on certain files.

Hi,
again a false detection  >:(
AChat does not contain viruses.
We check our system continuously with 6 different antivirus programs.

The problem is, that most of these antivirus programs make heurustic detection, that means they analyse exe files and try to find out if there is a virus without checking the real behaviour of the program. AChat connects to the internet and downloads upgrades, communicates with the server. I looks like this fact can cause false detections, but we try to clarify these thing with virus protection software vendors.

McAfee put already on their white list the upgrader, we hope we can clarify problems like this with all major antivirus software vendors.

Regards,
tom

As I mentioned, I removed the program just for safety reasons. I will look for an alternative program if I feel the need to replace the old program.
Title: New to this forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on October 26, 2014, 12:08:47 PM
Hello everybody,
I just wanted to say "hi".  I'm new to this forum and I can't wait to explore and learn.

Ross
Title: Re: New to this forum
Post by: Shutter on October 26, 2014, 12:20:21 PM
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Hello everybody,
I just wanted to say "hi".  I'm new to this forum and I can't wait to explore and learn.

Ross

Welcome Ross, I hope you find this site to be in good standards while researching our lovely friend DB Cooper. I want to apologize again for the blocking that occurred while trying to register in August.

my goal is to have quick and accurate data available for everyone to enjoy. it's a process actively in progress by constantly updating and arranging things to be found easily. you will find the hostility level to be near zero here. I don't tolerate attacks as seen on other forums. we always will have tension mounting sometimes, but nothing like other forums. I hope you find this a good source of information and we look forward to discussing the case with you.


Shutter.

Off-Topic Off-Topic:
we also have an off topic thread where we discuss things not always Cooper related.
Title: Re: New to this forum
Post by: Shutter on October 26, 2014, 12:35:56 PM
I will be moving this topic over to the "New Forum" since both have similar names.


which obviously has already taken place.... ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 29, 2014, 05:16:50 PM
The site will be going through some changes. I'm still not sure about the EZport, but I will be putting the topics into categories. where you now see "General Discussion...it will change to DB Cooper, or Cooper topics, haven't figured out a proper name yet. then we will have another bar below that for off topic discussion etc. I want to keep things organized for easy viewing. (see attachment)

If anyone has any idea's for topic names, just post them, or any idea's that will help the forum just shout it out  ;D

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 30, 2014, 09:16:29 PM
I'm working on splitting the categories to help with cluttering things up. I hope it's not confusing, if anyone has any issues please let me know here, or in a PM. I seem to like it, although you guys may not. that's why feedback is important.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 31, 2014, 07:39:30 AM
Is anyone having trouble accessing any of the threads since I've changed them? they should all be accessible by all.

I made a separate category for off topic discussion. I'm trying to keep things a little better organized by keeping Cooper centered at the top in the thread menu. I'll have Skhilled take a look at what I changed to make sure it's correctly been done.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on October 31, 2014, 12:28:38 PM
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Is anyone having trouble accessing any of the threads since I've changed them? they should all be accessible by all.

I made a separate category for off topic discussion. I'm trying to keep things a little better organized by keeping Cooper centered at the top in the thread menu. I'll have Skhilled take a look at what I changed to make sure it's correctly been done.

Shutter

It's harder to jump around ... like having to round around a turn around... just consumes time.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on October 31, 2014, 04:00:38 PM
Understood, lets give it a couple days and see how it goes. I like the separation from cluttering up the Cooper area allowing the focus to be where it should be, on Cooper. I'm usually not a person who likes changes either, but lets see how it goes.

Is anyone else having any issues with the "new way". I would like to hear feedback like Georger has given. everyone here is a part of this forum.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on November 11, 2014, 05:13:19 PM
The theme is temporary. just showing a little respect for the Vets.  8)

(http://cdn4.dogomedia.com/images/7c5a592f-9263-4a48-ab9b-b3a56b19139f/happy-veterans-day-pictures.jpg)

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on November 12, 2014, 12:23:04 AM
I liked it!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on November 12, 2014, 12:38:46 AM
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The theme is temporary. just showing a little respect for the Vets.  8)

(http://cdn4.dogomedia.com/images/7c5a592f-9263-4a48-ab9b-b3a56b19139f/happy-veterans-day-pictures.jpg)

+1 +42 +8078
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on November 15, 2014, 12:06:29 PM
Although the forum has settled down a bit in the last couple weeks, has anyone had any problems with the new categories being separated? personally, I like it, but others may not. I'm trying to organize things, making things easy to access and not confuse. I believe off topic threads should be separated from the Cooper area. I want to have everything easily accessible from this site about Cooper. this makes things easier during any conversation about Cooper. Dropzone.com doesn't have the ability to control it's threads. you have to weed through the search box to find anything.

I have installed a program called Fanfics. I haven't really had time to look it over, but it's basically another area where posters can put things into an area that will be easy to find and not get lost in the thread pages. you will be able to write complete stories with chapters. editorials etc. they are categorized so accessing them will be easy. I'm constantly looking for ways to improve the site, and hope that people will see the actual facts about the case while visiting this forum.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on November 15, 2014, 03:24:31 PM
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Although the forum has settled down a bit in the last couple weeks, has anyone had any problems with the new categories being separated? personally, I like it, but others may not. I'm trying to organize things, making things easy to access and not confuse. I believe off topic threads should be separated from the Cooper area. I want to have everything easily accessible from this site about Cooper. this makes things easier during any conversation about Cooper. Dropzone.com doesn't have the ability to control it's threads. you have to weed through the search box to find anything.

I have installed a program called Fanfics. I haven't really had time to look it over, but it's basically another area where posters can put things into an area that will be easy to find and not get lost in the thread pages. you will be able to write complete stories with chapters. editorials etc. they are categorized so accessing them will be easy. I'm constantly looking for ways to improve the site, and hope that people will see the actual facts about the case while visiting this forum.

Shutter

Personally I think most people are used to posting in separate categories based on subject matter, so I dont see the need to separate OFF Topic discussion for everything else - it just makes one more piece of navigation to have to do and I always favor simplicity ?  But that's just me ...

   
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MarkBennett on November 15, 2014, 03:35:53 PM
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Although the forum has settled down a bit in the last couple weeks, has anyone had any problems with the new categories being separated? personally, I like it, but others may not. I'm trying to organize things, making things easy to access and not confuse. I believe off topic threads should be separated from the Cooper area. I want to have everything easily accessible from this site about Cooper. this makes things easier during any conversation about Cooper. Dropzone.com doesn't have the ability to control it's threads. you have to weed through the search box to find anything.

I have installed a program called Fanfics. I haven't really had time to look it over, but it's basically another area where posters can put things into an area that will be easy to find and not get lost in the thread pages. you will be able to write complete stories with chapters. editorials etc. they are categorized so accessing them will be easy. I'm constantly looking for ways to improve the site, and hope that people will see the actual facts about the case while visiting this forum.

Shutter

Personally I think most people are used to posting in separate categories based on subject matter, so I dont see the need to separate OFF Topic discussion for everything else - it just makes one more piece of navigation to have to do and I always favor simplicity ?  But that's just me ...

   

I didn't even notice they had moved.  I always just click on "Show unread posts since your last visit" and then read out of each category.  So, the arrangement doesn't really make any difference to me.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on November 29, 2014, 09:04:42 PM
Welcome Andrade1812

If you seen the theme's changing that was me. I was looking for a Christmas theme for the site.

Welcome to the forum.....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: andrade1812 on November 30, 2014, 03:03:09 AM
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Welcome Andrade1812

If you seen the theme's changing that was me. I was looking for a Christmas theme for the site.

Welcome to the forum.....

Wondered what was going on...

And thank you.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on November 30, 2014, 10:06:10 AM
If you have any questions about the site just let me know. we have a lot of good people here that have been involved with the case for years. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. make sure and take full advantage of everything here. we have a photo gallery and a video & links vault that can help bring you up to speed.

I've been researching the case for about 5 years now. I enjoy the challenge of trying to discover new things about the case. It can be difficult trying to weed through some of the myths surrounding the case. one of the biggest mysteries surround the money found on the banks of the Columbia. the actual jump time has also come into question.

The site is always upgrading in order to bring the information to a level of easy access or for better words, "work in progress". so, pull up a chair and grab your favorite beverage and jump into the world of DB Cooper  8)

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on November 30, 2014, 01:18:52 PM
I've been talking with skhilled in regards to the present theme being used on this forum. it appears it needs to be updated by the person who designed the theme. it's missing certain things that should function but don't. I'll be looking for a similar theme to replace this one in the near future.

This theme is several years old, and updating it will probably not happen by the person who designed it. SMF has hundreds of themes. I can change the color's on them to fit the needs required.

For those who don't know who Skhilled is, he helps us with the technical part of this forum. he basically fixes my awesome job of screwing the forum up with some of my expert moves I've made in the past. including locking us all out of the forum  ;D ;D ;D he has saved my butt several times in the past, and probably will in the future with my record  :'(

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on November 30, 2014, 05:00:49 PM
Should we refer to him as "Skhilled the Techie Guy"?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on November 30, 2014, 05:08:32 PM
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Should we refer to him as "Skhilled the Techie Guy"?


I don't think he has ever typed codes before, so he might not be up to RMB's standards  ;D
I haven't heard any giggles from him either. it's not looking good for him to meet those high standards  8)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on December 17, 2014, 05:10:05 PM
WOW!!!   super wow!!!  what a nice page this, just opening for Christmas.

You've done it again Mr. Shutter!  BIG CONGRATS AND THANKS!

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL.

Georger & Family.

 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on December 17, 2014, 05:11:09 PM
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WOW!!!   super wow!!!  what a nice page this, just opening for Christmas.

You've done it again Mr. Shutter!  BIG CONGRATS AND THANKS!

HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL.

Georger & Family.

 


Thanks, I was testing it out and looking it over  ;D


Should I keep the page running?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on December 17, 2014, 06:31:31 PM
The crash of Eastern Flight 401 is approching (December 29, 1972. the survivors are trying to collect funds to erect a memorial in honor of those lost that evening.

(https://sites.google.com/site/eastern401/_/rsrc/1267602189166/Eastern-Paper2small-medium-init-.jpg)

It still amazes me how so many failed to notice the plane was slowly losing altitude. it should of never happened.

https://sites.google.com/site/eastern401/home

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on December 17, 2014, 06:33:01 PM
I've heard rumors that it will be snowing here soon  :)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 17, 2014, 06:39:05 PM
There is a great documentary of Flight 401 and speculations on how it happened.  The Captain tasked the co-pilot to fly while he fixed the landing gear light. However, the light was on the right side of the instrument panel, in front of the co-pilot. They switched on the auto-pilot, but the capt touched his controls, disengaging the auto-pilot. In all the hub-bub of fixing the light no one heard the warning signal.

Cockpit command, and command structures were re-engineered in the aftermath of 401.

The Koreans were slow to adopt the new cockpit culture, and thus we had the Asiana 767 belly flop at SFO a year ago due to similar command problems.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on December 17, 2014, 06:48:01 PM
Correct, even the traffic controllers didn't really tell them in time with the altitude. it was the last seconds they realized they were too low striking the ground with the wing first. what do you think about the sightings on the planes that had 401's parts?


23.41:31   CAM-4   Wheel-well lights on?
    CAM-3   Pardon?
    CAM-4   Wheel-well lights on?
    CAM-3   Yeah wheel well lights always on if the gear's down
    CAM-1   Now try it
23.41:40   APP   Eastern, ah 401 how are things comin' along out there?
23.41:44   RDO-1   Okay, we'd like to turn around and come, come back in
    CAM-1   Clear on left?
    CAM-2   Okay
23.41:47   APP   Eastern 401 turn left heading one eight zero
23.41:50   CAM-1   Huh?
23.41:51   RDO-1   One eighty
23.42:05   CAM-2   We did something to the altitude
    CAM-1   What?
23.42:07   CAM-2   We're still at two thousand right?
23.42:09   CAM-1   Hey, what's happening here?
    CAM   [Sound of click]
23.42:10   CAM   [Sound of six beeps similar to radio altimeter increasing in rate]
23.42:12       [Sound of impact]


The crash site is also very close to the Valuejet that drilled into the Glades further north close to the same levee as 401. pieces of 401 are still out there......it's about a 20 minute drive from my house...

Photo was taken in 2009

(https://sites.google.com/site/eastern401/_/rsrc/1267602197296/wreckagetoday-medium-brt-51.jpeg?height=268&width=400)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 17, 2014, 08:09:06 PM
I love the idea of the Ghosts of 401 - of apparitions of deceased crew members from 401 appearing on L-1011s that utilized salvaged parts from 401. I understand that Eastern had to yank them all out after many reported sightings.

It suggest quantum entanglement, eh? Once we get remote viewing down pat we can explore these kinds of issues quite convincingly.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on December 17, 2014, 08:15:14 PM
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I love the idea of the Ghosts of 401 - of apparitions of deceased crew members from 401 appearing on L-1011s that utilized salvaged parts from 401. I understand that Eastern had to yank them all out after many reported sightings.

It suggest quantum entanglement, eh? Once we get remote viewing down pat we can explore these kinds of issues quite convincingly.


How much of it can we really believe? I believe the pressure made Eastern take the parts off the planes. they also threatened the employee's if they came forward. some of the passengers who didn't know the crew Id'd them though?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 17, 2014, 11:09:23 PM
This is the BIG difference between me and Multinational Corporations.

I can embrace the strange and unexplainable.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on December 17, 2014, 11:15:01 PM
I wonder what finally came of the wreckage? anyone know?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on December 18, 2014, 01:58:40 AM
Not me. Where do wrecked airplanes go?

Recycle, reuse, reduce....

China?  Does 401 live on as a TV set?
Title: Re: New Forum - Note of Thanks for everything - 2014
Post by: georger on December 18, 2014, 11:51:05 PM
Dave, just one more note of thanks and appreciation for everything you have done to make this forum possible, and keep it going in 2014. It's a remarkable piece of work you have done.

Happy Holidays and a Prosperous New Year to you and your family...

Georger

Title: Re: New Forum - Note of Thanks for everything - 2014
Post by: MarkBennett on December 18, 2014, 11:58:34 PM
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Dave, just one more note of thanks and appreciation for everything you have done to make this forum possible, and keep it going in 2014. It's a remarkable piece of work you have done.

Happy Holidays and a Prosperous New Year to you and your family...

Georger

Ditto!
Title: Re: New Forum - Note of Thanks for everything - 2014
Post by: georger on December 19, 2014, 12:05:23 AM
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Dave, just one more note of thanks and appreciation for everything you have done to make this forum possible, and keep it going in 2014. It's a remarkable piece of work you have done.

Happy Holidays and a Prosperous New Year to you and your family...

Georger

Ditto!

Ditto again ... our best to everyone here. Happy Holidays and a very Prosperous New Year to you and yours... 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on December 19, 2014, 12:18:25 AM
Thanks Georger, and Mark. I appreciate the kind words. just remember, it takes more than me to make this all happen. you guys are just as much a part of it's continuation of becoming the best source for researching DB Cooper (Forum Wise) possible. it's not just me. you all have the key to keep it going.

The site is steadily improving as each day passes. I want people to feel at home here. there voices heard when they speak out about this forum, or ask a simple question about the case. I value each and every one of you, and hope you all continue to help put some reason into this cluster of a case about DB Cooper  :)

Shutter.....

Let it snow, let it snow.....let it snow. I hope the snow is showing up out there  ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN7LW0Y00kE
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on December 19, 2014, 12:52:00 AM
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Thanks Georger, and Mark. I appreciate the kind words. just remember, it takes more than me to make this all happen. you guys are just as much a part of it's continuation of becoming the best source for researching DB Cooper (Forum Wise) possible. it's not just me. you all have the key to keep it going.

The site is steadily improving as each day passes. I want people to feel at home here. there voices heard when they speak out about this forum, or ask a simple question about the case. I value each and every one of you, and hope you all continue to help put some reason into this cluster of a case about DB Cooper  :)

Shutter.....

Let it snow, let it snow.....let it snow. I hope the snow is showing up out there  ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN7LW0Y00kE

very touching Dave. No snow here yet but there will be before Spring. The card is beautiful.  I sent Hom your files just so you know, sorry Im late with that. 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on December 20, 2014, 12:30:08 AM
It appears the site was having issues loading. Georger sent me an email about the problem. I notified the server, and it appears the problem has been resolved. I hope.

Sorry if it caused anyone any trouble...

Shutter.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Skhilled on December 22, 2014, 08:33:50 AM
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Should we refer to him as "Skhilled the Techie Guy"?

LOL, not quite...I just some things. ;)

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Should we refer to him as "Skhilled the Techie Guy"?


I don't think he has ever typed codes before, so he might not be up to RMB's standards  ;D
I haven't heard any giggles from him either. it's not looking good for him to meet those high standards  8)
Sorry, I just read this...

I'm not a coder, per se. But I can understand it more than I can write it. LOL
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on January 05, 2015, 06:43:16 PM
Shutter, Flyjack from DZ says he can't access this site for some reason. You may want to check into it. I enjoyed his posts at DZ when he was posting a few months back. Seems pretty solid.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 05, 2015, 06:52:10 PM
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Shutter, Flyjack from DZ says he can't access this site for some reason. You may want to check into it. I enjoyed his posts at DZ when he was posting a few months back. Seems pretty solid.


Thanks, I sent him a PM over at DZ. he probably got zapped. I'm being attacked from Canada, and China big time. I've seen over 75 spammers trying to join in the last couple weeks. they can't get in, but I zap them. I have ways to show they are spammers, but sometimes it's wrong. NMIwrecks got caught up in it as well. it's not easy trying to keep things safe here.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 05, 2015, 06:53:51 PM
During the Holiday's spammers are on the attack. money being sent everywhere, so they are trying to gain access to what ever they can to get personal information from.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 05, 2015, 07:07:08 PM
Update. Flyjack contacted me and gave me his IP. sure enough he got caught up in the spam. I removed the IP from the "Deny Manager", and informed him of the problem along with my apologies.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: FLYJACK on January 05, 2015, 10:16:32 PM
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Update. Flyjack contacted me and gave me his IP. sure enough he got caught up in the spam. I removed the IP from the "Deny Manager", and informed him of the problem along with my apologies.

Shutter

Woohoo,, I made it, thanks Shutter, greetings from Canada.. 

btw, I didn't get a second "approved" email but tried to log in anyway..
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 05, 2015, 10:24:46 PM
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Update. Flyjack contacted me and gave me his IP. sure enough he got caught up in the spam. I removed the IP from the "Deny Manager", and informed him of the problem along with my apologies.

Shutter

Woohoo,, I made it, thanks Shutter, greetings from Canada.. 

btw, I didn't get a second "approved" email but tried to log in anyway..


Sorry about that. I tried PMing you on DZ informing you that you were good to gooooooo..

Welcome to the forum.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 05, 2015, 11:04:20 PM
I'm interested in your suspect. feel free to post in the suspect thread if you wish....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on January 07, 2015, 03:50:06 AM
Announcing a new DB Cooper Information Service

It is clear to me that a lot of folks don't like to read much. I see that many questions are asked here that have been asked before and answered in a variety of formats. Plus, a lot of theories and factual information in the Cooper literature - Gray, Tosaw, Rhodes, Formans, me, etc. are not accessed.

Therefor I am proud to offer a free (kinda) Cooper information service. If you send me a bottle of good booze, tequila and whiskey are current favorites, I will gladly answer your questions if you call me by phone.  When the bottle runs dry, the chatting does, too. To resume, simply send another bottle, and re-dial.

To get contact information, email is best: brucesmith at rainierconnect dot com.

I'm not judging anyone for asking simple or primitive questions or presenting really crazy theories.  They are fine as they are. I'm more curious why folks don't pick up a book or go the Mountain News. Yes, I know the DZ is too unwieldy to find any stuff in the archives. I can't find a thing over there. Here is a little better.

As for too "out-there", remember, I'm rootin' for DB to be a time traveller and hiding in the future.  That would be so cool....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 11, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
WELCOME BACK SMOKIN99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 18, 2015, 04:37:04 PM
Is anyone having any issues posting here? Georger has had some trouble that I can't figure out. if anyone has any issues what so ever please let me know as soon as possible so I can resolve the problems. the quicker the better...

Thanks
Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 18, 2015, 07:01:03 PM
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Is anyone having any issues posting here? Georger has had some trouble that I can't figure out. if anyone has any issues what so ever please let me know as soon as possible so I can resolve the problems. the quicker the better...

Thanks
Shutter

No trouble posting, but I have recently been having trouble receiving some of the pictures(?) in your posts.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 18, 2015, 07:12:17 PM
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Is anyone having any issues posting here? Georger has had some trouble that I can't figure out. if anyone has any issues what so ever please let me know as soon as possible so I can resolve the problems. the quicker the better...

Thanks
Shutter

No trouble posting, but I have recently been having trouble receiving some of the pictures(?) in your posts.

Do you mean viewing them. what symptoms are you getting?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 18, 2015, 07:54:00 PM
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Is anyone having any issues posting here? Georger has had some trouble that I can't figure out. if anyone has any issues what so ever please let me know as soon as possible so I can resolve the problems. the quicker the better...

Thanks
Shutter

No trouble posting, but I have recently been having trouble receiving some of the pictures(?) in your posts.

Do you mean viewing them. what symptoms are you getting?

There is an empty box formed by four lines, apparently the same size as the intended picture or whatever, and in the upper left-hand corner of the box there is a "O" with a "\" running through it from the upper left to lower right.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 18, 2015, 08:08:07 PM
Do you still have the problem?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 18, 2015, 10:24:02 PM
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Do you still have the problem?

Yes.  I think it is only with the posts from you (Shutter) but I do still get some of your pictures.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 18, 2015, 10:27:25 PM
you can't see this photo?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 18, 2015, 10:35:41 PM
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you can't see this photo?

Shutter, the picture came through.

Robert99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 18, 2015, 10:38:16 PM
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you can't see this photo?

Shutter, the picture came through.

Robert99

It might of been some sort of glitch with the other photo's. I can't think of what could cause it.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 18, 2015, 10:57:34 PM
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you can't see this photo?

Shutter, the picture came through.

Robert99

It might of been some sort of glitch with the other photo's. I can't think of what could cause it.

Whatever was attached to your post #174 above, did not come through.  That is the type of problem but I did receive a photo from Skilled just a few posts later.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 18, 2015, 11:04:30 PM
Post #174 only has a video on it, a You Tube video. the last photo posted was on #165. it was a piece of wreckage from flight 401.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 18, 2015, 11:32:28 PM
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Post #174 only has a video on it, a You Tube video. the last photo posted was on #165. it was a piece of wreckage from flight 401.

Maybe it is the videos that don't show up.  I'll let you know the next time something doesn't come through.  The photo of the piece of wreckage did come through.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 18, 2015, 11:38:43 PM
can you see this one...made it the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=godZzhwj9Do
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 18, 2015, 11:55:05 PM
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can you see this one...made it the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=godZzhwj9Do

Nothing came through.  I do see the YouTube https.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 19, 2015, 12:31:54 AM
can you view You Tube outside of this forum? a poster brought up a point of it possibly being the flash player out of date.

anyone else having trouble viewing video's on this forum?

I just checked my phone. I can see the video's on the phone as well.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 19, 2015, 12:52:36 AM
If any of you guys search the web like I do you need to make sure you have a good anti-virus, and malware. also if you get the spinning circle thingy you need to clear the browser cache, and the cookies in your computer. not doing these things will slow the computer down.

Even if you are using Google Chrome you still need to update the flash player...

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Skhilled on January 20, 2015, 09:44:38 AM
I can see it using Firefox...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 20, 2015, 09:50:29 AM
The video link?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Skhilled on January 20, 2015, 09:52:05 AM
Yes, I can see it on here.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 20, 2015, 09:58:40 AM
I think the poster might have an out of date flash player?


I was getting page error's last nite. I sent a service ticket out, and just got this response?


I reviewed the logs, the only thing I see at this time frame is:
[client .161..163:53430] mod_lsapi: [host www.thedbcooperforum.com] Could not connect to lsphp backend: connect to lsphp failed: 111 Connection refused. Increase memory limit for LVE ID 849

This indicates that a memory limit was hit at some point. It looks like you're running SMF which is compatible with PHP 5.5, I've went ahead and upgraded you from 5.4 to 5.5 enabled opcache and set the memory limit higher.

Please let me know if you experience any issues, we've generally seen an improvement for people by moving to 5.5.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Skhilled on January 20, 2015, 10:15:11 AM
Yes, the user may need to upgrade. Out of date flash players can get you hacked...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 20, 2015, 01:57:18 PM
If the last several posts have been addressed to me, I did check the flash player and it indicated it was up to date.  I have had quite a few problems with Internet Explorer 11.  Maybe I should just give up on IE and start using Chrome.

Robert99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 20, 2015, 01:59:48 PM
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If the last several posts have been addressed to me, I did check the flash player and it indicated it was up to date.  I have had quite a few problems with Internet Explorer 11.  Maybe I should just give up on IE and start using Chrome.

Robert99


It's possible it's giving you trouble. all browsers tend to go bad. you can download Chorme, and still keep IE.

Are you still not seeing the video's properly?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 20, 2015, 02:16:09 PM
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If the last several posts have been addressed to me, I did check the flash player and it indicated it was up to date.  I have had quite a few problems with Internet Explorer 11.  Maybe I should just give up on IE and start using Chrome.

Robert99

It's possible it's giving you trouble. all browsers tend to go bad. you can download Chorme, and still keep IE.

Are you still not seeing the video's properly?

I haven't seen the videos that were recently posted here yet but could see videos from other sources two or three weeks ago.  I'll download Chrome, give it a try, and let you know what happens.

Robert99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on January 20, 2015, 03:21:41 PM
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If the last several posts have been addressed to me, I did check the flash player and it indicated it was up to date.  I have had quite a few problems with Internet Explorer 11.  Maybe I should just give up on IE and start using Chrome.

Robert99

It's possible it's giving you trouble. all browsers tend to go bad. you can download Chorme, and still keep IE.

Are you still not seeing the video's properly?

I haven't seen the videos that were recently posted here yet but could see videos from other sources two or three weeks ago.  I'll download Chrome, give it a try, and let you know what happens.

Robert99

It apparently worked.  I can now see Dean Martin's Christmas Card and the NWA DC-3 video for the first time.  I downloaded and installed Chrome and selected it as my default browser.  Then made sure I was searching for Shutter's forum under Chrome (there was a battle on that point with IE11) and here we are.

Microsoft announced earlier today that they would have a press conference tomorrow (Wednesday, January 21st) about the introduction of Windows 10, which will probably occur sometime this summer.  A story on the announcement speculated that the new browser in Windows 10 would be along the lines of Chrome and others and that Internet Explorer would cease to exist.

Robert99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 20, 2015, 03:32:14 PM
Glad to see that you can "see" the video's now.

I have windows 8 on the simulator. I'm sure it will be out dated soon. hard to keep up with all the upgrades. I'm still on XP with this computer. going to upgrade it to 7 before I save too much on the hard drive...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 27, 2015, 09:50:34 AM
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Thanks shutter .... I noticed half the crowd is same as dropzone though ...including some I'd rather avoid

A lot of people are from DZ. I got tired of the constant bickering going on with DZ. I'm not saying I'm perfect by no means, but I like to discuss Cooper without constantly having to go page after page with someone over bullshit. I doubt a forum is out there that has everyone liking everyone. that's a perfect world IMO. disagreements happen, but the difference is in moderation. that's what the DZ is lacking. I will not tolerate constant attacks.

I made the decision to not allow two individuals to post on this forum. it's not something I wanted, or enjoyed doing. it's something that had to be done that will insure free flowing discussion. claims have been made that this is a closed forum public wise, but somehow you were able to find this forum along with others who I never contacted. it's sad we have to constantly bring this topic up, the bottom line is this forum is for discussing DB Cooper. we do have off topic threads that allow discussion outside of Cooper. feel free to join in any of the above.

If you encounter someone you don't wish to communicate with we have an ignore function that can be used that's in your profile pages.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: EVickiW on January 27, 2015, 12:47:54 PM
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Thanks shutter .... I noticed half the crowd is same as dropzone though ...including some I'd rather avoid

A lot of people are from DZ. I got tired of the constant bickering going on with DZ. I'm not saying I'm perfect by no means, but I like to discuss Cooper without constantly having to go page after page with someone over bullshit. I doubt a forum is out there that has everyone liking everyone. that's a perfect world IMO. disagreements happen, but the difference is in moderation. that's what the DZ is lacking. I will not tolerate constant attacks.

I made the decision to not allow two individuals to post on this forum. it's not something I wanted, or enjoyed doing. it's something that had to be done that will insure free flowing discussion. claims have been made that this is a closed forum public wise, but somehow you were able to find this forum along with others who I never contacted. it's sad we have to constantly bring this topic up, the bottom line is this forum is for discussing DB Cooper. we do have off topic threads that allow discussion outside of Cooper. feel free to join in any of the above.

Hey shut...whose quote above were you replying to?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 27, 2015, 01:03:34 PM
1000 thingy guy.... ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 27, 2015, 06:04:32 PM
I installed a mod called "Fancybox" this puts a frame around the photo's, or pics. when you look at the bottom of the picture that you enlarged you will see a function that will allow you to click on it to move to the next photo if there are multiple photo's in that post. you will no longer have to click off of one pic in order to see the next one.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on January 31, 2015, 12:30:25 PM
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My gawd ... I don't know who to believe anymore .

To 1000things.

I understand your confusion. it's sad that this has continued to occur. for the record. I'm sure you can see the bickering taking place on Dropzone.com. I was part of it for several years. Mr. Blevins is very hard to speak with when it comes to this case. one tends to end up in a endless loop back and forth with him. I decided to start a new forum, and prior to this I mentioned on Bruce's blog that he wouldn't be welcome.

Two days after this forum started Mr. Blevins joined under a false name with intentions to cause trouble with this forum. he stayed silent for about a week, and then exposed who he was. I removed him from this forum, including the blocking of several IP's known to him. he then jumped on "hidemyass.com" and began to take screenshots of Galen Cook stating things about Robert. he then tried to claim he did this because people were talking about him, but this didn't occur until after his little stunt. I confronted Cook several times asking him to provide proof of what he was stating. he never did, and continued to use the forum for bashing. I put his comments on approval status, and he decided he no longer wanted to be part of this forum.

Mr. Blevins attacked on a daily basis via Dropzone complaining that the site was censored, and schools couldn't view the site etc. etc. the reality was a program I installed that blocks proxies, and unfortunately schools, and libraries. this was due to his behavior of intruding where he wasn't welcome. the program went bonkers, and locked us all out for several days  :o it was only running about a month, but he went on for months about it.

Mr. Blevins doesn't take criticism very well at all. he asked dozens of times for people to look into his story. I was one of those along with others who took the offer. we found multiple problems with things he stated as facts for years. once this was established he started the "trust" issue turning it on to me, and other who went against his "evidence" as Georger explained, and is noted on Dropzone, Robert first claimed Lyle Christiansen never gave a radio interview with Mike Fitzsimmons. I emailed Fitz to try and verify myself. this is his response to my email.

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "

Now, Lyle's first intentions was to make a movie about his brother being Cooper. all of the sudden he has become (in Roberts mind) DB Cooper himself. Robert went as far as to notify his "witnesses" that we might try and contact them. I find this troubling that he is the sole provider, and speaker for all when it comes to proving anything? how are we to believe what these people are stating?

Basically, I haven't done anything except show him flaws in his story. the exact same thing he did to Marla Cooper. almost the same wording as him. Mr. Blevins can't even be professional enough to accept criticism on Amazon.com where he sells his books. he went 89 comments back and forth with a top reviewer from Amazon? this can be seen first in the comment reviews on his page. IMHO he is not allowing anyone to dispute, or even discuss possible problems with his story. he thinks people are jealous, and not trustworthy? that's just plain false, and misleading. a lot of his story is misleading when you look into it.

I don't tell people to go to Dropzone, I don't take poster from there either. several have contacted me through DZ asking for the link, or other issues about my forum, but I have no intentions of trying to shut it down to gain attention here! again, I'm sorry this has to continue, but it is what it is as they say.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 05, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
I can't download any files from WSHS ? anyone else having this problem?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on February 05, 2015, 04:29:53 PM
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My gawd ... I don't know who to believe anymore .

To 1000things.

I understand your confusion. it's sad that this has continued to occur. for the record. I'm sure you can see the bickering taking place on Dropzone.com. I was part of it for several years. Mr. Blevins is very hard to speak with when it comes to this case. one tends to end up in a endless loop back and forth with him. I decided to start a new forum, and prior to this I mentioned on Bruce's blog that he wouldn't be welcome.

Two days after this forum started Mr. Blevins joined under a false name with intentions to cause trouble with this forum. he stayed silent for about a week, and then exposed who he was. I removed him from this forum, including the blocking of several IP's known to him. he then jumped on "hidemyass.com" and began to take screenshots of Galen Cook stating things about Robert. he then tried to claim he did this because people were talking about him, but this didn't occur until after his little stunt. I confronted Cook several times asking him to provide proof of what he was stating. he never did, and continued to use the forum for bashing. I put his comments on approval status, and he decided he no longer wanted to be part of this forum.

Mr. Blevins attacked on a daily basis via Dropzone complaining that the site was censored, and schools couldn't view the site etc. etc. the reality was a program I installed that blocks proxies, and unfortunately schools, and libraries. this was due to his behavior of intruding where he wasn't welcome. the program went bonkers, and locked us all out for several days  :o it was only running about a month, but he went on for months about it.

Mr. Blevins doesn't take criticism very well at all. he asked dozens of times for people to look into his story. I was one of those along with others who took the offer. we found multiple problems with things he stated as facts for years. once this was established he started the "trust" issue turning it on to me, and other who went against his "evidence" as Georger explained, and is noted on Dropzone, Robert first claimed Lyle Christiansen never gave a radio interview with Mike Fitzsimmons. I emailed Fitz to try and verify myself. this is his response to my email.

" I found several inconsistencies with his responses and when I pressed him he stated that while his brother fit many of the
accepted profiles describing D.B. Cooper, his brother could have been D.B. Cooper but probably was not the hijacker. "

Now, Lyle's first intentions was to make a movie about his brother being Cooper. all of the sudden he has become (in Roberts mind) DB Cooper himself. Robert went as far as to notify his "witnesses" that we might try and contact them. I find this troubling that he is the sole provider, and speaker for all when it comes to proving anything? how are we to believe what these people are stating?

Basically, I haven't done anything except show him flaws in his story. the exact same thing he did to Marla Cooper. almost the same wording as him. Mr. Blevins can't even be professional enough to accept criticism on Amazon.com where he sells his books. he went 89 comments back and forth with a top reviewer from Amazon? this can be seen first in the comment reviews on his page. IMHO he is not allowing anyone to dispute, or even discuss possible problems with his story. he thinks people are jealous, and not trustworthy? that's just plain false, and misleading. a lot of his story is misleading when you look into it.

I don't tell people to go to Dropzone, I don't take poster from there either. several have contacted me through DZ asking for the link, or other issues about my forum, but I have no intentions of trying to shut it down to gain attention here! again, I'm sorry this has to continue, but it is what it is as they say.

Good summary.

This all began very simply in August 2010, and quickly became unbelievably personal and hostile, with the arrival of Mr. Blevins. Nothing has been the same since.

Many of us come from other websites and Cooper forums going clear back to 2006 and before. Jo Weber, for example, has been posting on forums since about 2000, perfecting her contention her husband was DB Cooper. About 2008 word spread that an FBI agent was going to come to something called Dropzone.com and answer questions from the public. It turned out this agent, Ckret, was also looking for public input and ideas. For about a year SA Carr answered people's questions and engaged in discussion (some of it very technical) at Dropzone.com. Weber began hurling accusations at Carr and the FBI, Carr tangled with the Moderator Paul Quade, and Quade gave Carr a 'vacation'! It was unreal. We didn't know if Carr would even come back. Eventually he did but for a brief period, and then he left DZ permanently in 2009 and that forum has never been the same. Jo Weber attacked Carr publicly at Dropzone and behind the scenes complained to the FBI at Washington DC and tried to have Carr fired - she even sent a number of people an email tell us that Carr had been fired! It has not been the same at Dropzone since. The trust between people at Dropzone was broken right there. The thread almost collapsed with Weber 'ruling the day' at Dropzone.com.

Most of us were holding on at Dropzone.com just to see what would happen next. Snowmman has been banned, Carr was gone after being suspended for a time, a guy named Bob Knoss surfaced to get his fifteen minutes of fame, and by July of 2010 Dropzone had ceased to be a viable forum for discussing anything. And suddenly, someone named Robert M Blevins shows up ... with a resurrection of the Geoff Gray article on Kenneth Christiansen, and I remember thinking at the time 'this won't go on very long', but I was wrong and completely unaware of the nature of Robert M Blevins ..... and what has happened since August of 2010 and today is now in the record books! I don't think anyone could have anticipated all of this! After August 2010, the antics on Dropzone quickly became an exercise in 'clinical pathology', between Jo Weber and Robert M Blevins joined by a few skydiver cynics vs. everyone else! People began to drop like flies either being banned or vacationed or perma-banned, or just quitting of their own volition. The chaos at Dropzone.com has run amuck out of control, ever since.

Shutter finally had had enough and started this site, as a place for people to try and discuss the Cooper case, and that actually is possible here without personal attacks ... if people will only do it. Shutter has provided all of us that opportunity.

I mean, make no mistake about this. We are ALL under Mr. Shutter's authority and grace here, and that includes me! The opportunity to discuss the DB Cooper case and present ideas and debate intelligently, still exists (here).

It had become impossible to do that at Dropzone.com due to the lack of fair and rational Moderation.

... all of the above is my perspective.

Both Blevins and Webere complained about what I was posting on Dropzone.com. The fact is: Since about 2012 I was biding my time at DZ hoping things would resolve themselves (in our favor). 99% of everything I posted at DZ.com was an attempt on my part to simply hold out personally hoping things would right themselves ... so we could continue "discussing" the DB Cooper case without interference. That did not happen and it still has not happened at Dropzone! The personal agendas of both Blevins and Webere continue to dominate the whole Cooper thread at Dropzone.  So, it was inevitable that I was going to 'hit the wall' at some point, be driven out, be banned, or whatever. The situation was literally out of my control. People cannot hold out forever.

We asked Blevins and Weber clear back in 2010 what their intentions were, and Blevins in particular? If they were treying to close the thread down, prevent open discussion, or what?   We never got an answer, from anyone including any Moderator. No answer - was the answer. Under these conditions, it was inevitable that people would be leaving Dropzone ... including me ... one way or the other. This isn't rocket-science!   ;)
 
   


Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 14, 2015, 09:43:26 AM
markbennett, you are correct about the views on DZ. I went to an older post by Sergio dated Jan 14, 2014. it had 5282 views. each time I refreshed the page two views were added. within a minute, it jumped from 5282 to 5294. it's not calculating views correctly. it's telling me 12 other people were viewing that post? the longer the thread will end up giving false numbers, big ones. the amount of views vs the amount of people joining the conversation don't match.

Post #1 has 310,071 views. subtract half 155,035. figure spammers over a 15 year period, the number goes down further. then you have all the regulars who visit the site anywhere from 5-10 times a day. it hardly leaves dramatic numbers. actually the numbers are low for that many years. we past 50,000 a while back. also, I forgot webpage crawlers, Google,Yahoo, and Bing.

Post #2 is rather funny  ;D

The situation had simply gotten out of hand.

A number of people, mostly anonymous posters, had essentially "taken over" and felt it was their right to do whatever they felt in that thread no matter how many times I had warned. Further, I had received numerous, shall we say, extremely rude PMs from various people involved in the thread questioning any moderation at all.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 28, 2015, 10:06:24 AM
I've been so busy in the last couple weeks I forgot to note we have been running a full year.  :'(
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on February 28, 2015, 05:06:33 PM
Happy Anniversary! To us!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 28, 2015, 05:36:24 PM
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Happy Anniversary! To us!


On the 24th actually  :P
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 28, 2015, 09:49:19 PM
Has anyone had any issues seeing the forum? 1000thingy can't see the site. he's getting a "Forbidden/ you don't have permission  to access this server" error. I've spent considerable time trying to figure out what is going on. the server is also looking into the problem.

Has anyone had this happen? 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on February 28, 2015, 11:08:40 PM
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Has anyone had any issues seeing the forum? 1000thingy can't see the site. he's getting a "Forbidden/ you don't have permission  to access this server" error. I've spent considerable time trying to figure out what is going on. the server is also looking into the problem.

Has anyone had this happen?
I haven't had any issues seeing the site.  All clear here.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on February 28, 2015, 11:16:19 PM
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Has anyone had any issues seeing the forum? 1000thingy can't see the site. he's getting a "Forbidden/ you don't have permission  to access this server" error. I've spent considerable time trying to figure out what is going on. the server is also looking into the problem.

Has anyone had this happen?
I haven't had any issues seeing the site.  All clear here.

Thanks, I'm beginning to think it's possibly his cache needs to be cleared. my sever can't find a reason why it's only happening to him. it seems to be isolated between him, and the forum. I've went through everything, so it might be an issue on his side. hopefully it can be resolved soon.


Thanks again for the heads up.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 05, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
This band looks like they might go somewhere. I like the name of the band personally  ;D



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3euZFnp30xU
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on March 06, 2015, 07:10:36 PM
If I'm not mistaken they have been around for a while. I prefer this one:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXrjCdhLMXk

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 06, 2015, 07:22:55 PM
The band I posted was formed in late 2013. there is another one called DB Cooper Band. they have been around since 1978.
Todd has the best song hands down....

(http://f1.bcbits.com/img/a4102574471_2.jpg)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on March 06, 2015, 07:28:46 PM
I stand corrected....yet again.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 06, 2015, 07:30:56 PM
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I stand corrected....yet again.


I had to look it up to make sure myself, don't feel so bad  :P
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 07, 2015, 02:01:37 PM
I set up a You Tube channel with the same name as the forum. I'll be putting video's on the channel for quick reference. I didn't like putting some of the video's onto the "Project 305" channel. I don't have much on the channel at the moment, but video's will be added as time goes by...


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkJ5j5uTfE33JbPOrv5YeUA
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 11, 2015, 06:33:25 PM
My plane is almost ready!!! just needs "Project 305" painted on it....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on March 11, 2015, 08:59:54 PM
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My plane is almost ready!!! just needs "Project 305" painted on it....

That looks good.  I assume you have logo lights to shine on DB at night.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 11, 2015, 09:02:57 PM
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My plane is almost ready!!! just needs "Project 305" painted on it....

That looks good.  I assume you have logo lights to shine on DB at night.

I'm pretty sure the tail lights up even though in reality they didn't have them....I'll have to look again to make sure...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 11, 2015, 11:38:09 PM
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My plane is almost ready!!! just needs "Project 305" painted on it....

very slick!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Skhilled on March 15, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
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I've been so busy in the last couple weeks I forgot to note we have been running a full year.  :'(

Sorry I'm late but Happy Anniversary! :)

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 15, 2015, 04:01:04 PM
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I've been so busy in the last couple weeks I forgot to note we have been running a full year.  :'(

Sorry I'm late but Happy Anniversary! :)

Don't feel bad, I missed myself  :'(
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 17, 2015, 09:50:48 PM
BIG NEWS

My book, DB Cooper and the FBI - A Case Study of America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking, is now available at Amazon, in a Kindle version, which is an e-book.  The text reads very easily on a commuter screen, but is designed for tablets and such, too.

I am so excited!

My Amazon site is also set up for discussions, ala blogging, so you can interact with a broader audience than here or the DZ.  $6.99 gets you in the game in the USA, and in about 90 days I'll be seeing about $4. But if you want to buy it in Russia, it's gonna cost you $89. (?)  Italy is eleven Euros.  Hmmmmm....

Also, if anyone who like to post a review at Amazon, I'd be most appreciative.

http://www.amazon.com/DB-Cooper-FBI-Americas-Skyjacking-ebook/dp/B00UULLCOW/ref=sr_1_1_twi_1_kin?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426642459&sr=1-1&keywords=DB+Cooper+and+the+FBI


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Q3GRW4Z1L._AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-46,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on March 17, 2015, 11:06:18 PM
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BIG NEWS

My book, DB Cooper and the FBI - A Case Study of America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking, is now available at Amazon, in a Kindle version, which is an e-book.  The text reads very easily on a commuter screen, but is designed for tablets and such, too.

I am so excited!

My Amazon site is also set up for discussions, ala blogging, so you can interact with a broader audience than here or the DZ.  $6.99 gets you in the game in the USA, and in about 90 days I'll be seeing about $4. But if you want to buy it in Russia, it's gonna cost you $89. (?)  Italy is eleven Euros.  Hmmmmm....

Also, if anyone who like to post a review at Amazon, I'd be most appreciative.

http://www.amazon.com/DB-Cooper-FBI-Americas-Skyjacking-ebook/dp/B00UULLCOW/ref=sr_1_1_twi_1_kin?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426642459&sr=1-1&keywords=DB+Cooper+and+the+FBI


(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Q3GRW4Z1L._AA278_PIkin4,BottomRight,-46,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

Congratulations Bruce on your book!



And Shutter, congratulations, also on your one year anniversary. I think this forum might turn out to be the place for real discussion. Dropzone has served us well over the years,  but it's just not the same over there anymore. There are only a  couple of regular posters there now -  so who knows whether it will go the way of other forums if people stop responding to them. (lol...easy for me to say -- it's hard not to engage - I stayed away for a while, now I think I need an intervention)  ;D ;D
Oh well -  I hope they keep that one accessible even if it grinds down to a halt, but I do think that you've gone and got yourself a good forum.

Again, Congratulations to both of you!!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 17, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
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And Shutter, congratulations, also on your one year anniversary. I think this forum might turn out to be the place for real discussion. Dropzone has served us well over the years,  but it's just not the same over there anymore. There are only a  couple of regular posters there now -  so who knows whether it will go the way of other forums if people stop responding to them. (lol...easy for me to say -- it's hard not to engage - I stayed away for a while, now I think I need an intervention)  ;D ;D
Oh well -  I hope they keep that one accessible even if it grinds down to a halt, but I do think that you've gone and got yourself a good forum.

Again, Congratulations to both of you!!



Thanks S99, I believe goals have been made here. I wanted a place where we could discuss Cooper, it's that simple. we have hardly had any bickering on here, a few pot shots here & there that you'll see anywhere, but nothing that calls for riot control  :P

Off-Topic Off-Topic:

I had a shock while at work today. The contractor came up to me and said he had his "Safety guy" submit a letter to OSHA telling him my work, and safety record was flawless up to the point of what happened last Friday. he told me they typically drop it down to 10%, or have a first offender thingy called "Good Faith" where they drop it to a warning. I'm lucky this contractor did this, most will run away fearing involvement! I now have two companies helping to resolve this stupid mistake on my end..... :'(



Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on March 17, 2015, 11:35:48 PM
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And Shutter, congratulations, also on your one year anniversary. I think this forum might turn out to be the place for real discussion. Dropzone has served us well over the years,  but it's just not the same over there anymore. There are only a  couple of regular posters there now -  so who knows whether it will go the way of other forums if people stop responding to them. (lol...easy for me to say -- it's hard not to engage - I stayed away for a while, now I think I need an intervention)  ;D ;D
Oh well -  I hope they keep that one accessible even if it grinds down to a halt, but I do think that you've gone and got yourself a good forum.

Again, Congratulations to both of you!!



Thanks S99, I believe goals have been made here. I wanted a place where we could discuss Cooper, it's that simple. we have hardly had any bickering on here, a few pot shots here & there that you'll see anywhere, but nothing that calls for riot control  :P

Off-Topic Off-Topic:

I had a shock while at work today. The contractor came up to me and said he had his "Safety guy" submit a letter to OSHA telling him my work, and safety record was flawless up to the point of what happened last Friday. he told me they typically drop it down to 10%, or have a first offender thingy call "Good Faith" where they drop it to a warning. I'm lucky this contractor did this, most will run away fearing involvement! I now have two companies helping to resolve this stupid mistake on my end..... :'(

Congratulations also on the anniversary.  And good luck with the OSHA.  You might point out to them that it was only you (the boss), and no one else, who was "endangered" by the violation.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 17, 2015, 11:46:32 PM
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And Shutter, congratulations, also on your one year anniversary. I think this forum might turn out to be the place for real discussion. Dropzone has served us well over the years,  but it's just not the same over there anymore. There are only a  couple of regular posters there now -  so who knows whether it will go the way of other forums if people stop responding to them. (lol...easy for me to say -- it's hard not to engage - I stayed away for a while, now I think I need an intervention)  ;D ;D
Oh well -  I hope they keep that one accessible even if it grinds down to a halt, but I do think that you've gone and got yourself a good forum.

Again, Congratulations to both of you!!



Thanks S99, I believe goals have been made here. I wanted a place where we could discuss Cooper, it's that simple. we have hardly had any bickering on here, a few pot shots here & there that you'll see anywhere, but nothing that calls for riot control  :P

Off-Topic Off-Topic:

I had a shock while at work today. The contractor came up to me and said he had his "Safety guy" submit a letter to OSHA telling him my work, and safety record was flawless up to the point of what happened last Friday. he told me they typically drop it down to 10%, or have a first offender thingy call "Good Faith" where they drop it to a warning. I'm lucky this contractor did this, most will run away fearing involvement! I now have two companies helping to resolve this stupid mistake on my end..... :'(

Congratulations also on the anniversary.  And good luck with the OSHA.  You might point out to them that it was only you (the boss), and no one else, who was "endangered" by the violation.

Thanks......

I told Mr. OSHA while he was there, but he already noticed my guys were in full compliance safety wise. (glasses, gloves, boot, and hardhats)

What I hate is I have two lifts on the site. one is a Boom lift. it requires a harness, or fall protection. the other lift is a scissor lift that doesn't require fall protection. they are running side by side, same height....I need the boom for the ramps leading into the warehouse. you can't raise a scissor lift on a pitched surface.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on March 24, 2015, 09:03:50 AM
How do you post an image instead of an attachment of an image?  I see the button, but I'm not sure what to insert between the prompts.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 24, 2015, 05:24:02 PM
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How do you post an image instead of an attachment of an image?  I see the button, but I'm not sure what to insert between the prompts.


I can't type it out correctly on here, so I made an attachment explaining the process....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on March 26, 2015, 07:56:51 AM
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How do you post an image instead of an attachment of an image?  I see the button, but I'm not sure what to insert between the prompts.


I can't type it out correctly on here, so I made an attachment explaining the process....

That makes sense.  Thank you.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 31, 2015, 06:09:28 PM
It's finissimo at El Morte Dropzonum Bonum Est!  Good grief!

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Re: [RobertMBlevins] Another Gem by Bruce Smith, Rex Magistrum [In reply to]    

Folks - this thread has run its course on Dropzone.com. It has long turned into a bickering platform for 3 or 4 individuals. While we've tolerated this for a long time it has simply reached the point of diminishing returns. The number of PM complaints we have to deal with from the few members involved in this discussion about the conduct of the others is completely disproportional to the value we get from hosting this.

Please feel free to set up a discussion on one of the many free forums out there like:

https://groups.google.com/

Once done you're welcome to send me a URL and I'll make one final post to this thread to point others to the new discussion.

No, PMing me will not get me to reopen this thread.


Maybe now the few who destroyed Dropzone can seek psychiatric care they so richly need!

 ;)

It's time to call Bob! Special price on used Cooper Wackos! Bye Bye Joh! It is beyond belief!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 31, 2015, 06:26:14 PM
Well, lets just let it go. I don't think celebrating the lose will do any good for anyone. it's unfortunate, but as I mentioned, the writing was on the walls for some time now. I always felt as if I was intruding into the sport of skydiving by not being one myself. that was another reason I started this forum. hopefully it will remain just as the other locked thread has over the years, so information can still be accessed.

I don't mind discussing the news, but lets keep the remarks down a notch.

Thanks
Shutter.....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on March 31, 2015, 06:34:46 PM
Whatever happened to "Moriarty"?  He kind of fell off the face of the earth around here.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 31, 2015, 06:37:14 PM
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Whatever happened to "Moriarty"?  He kind of fell off the face of the earth around here.


He closed out his membership. he continued to talk with R99, or Georger off the forum. perhaps they have a better idea?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on March 31, 2015, 07:26:21 PM
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Whatever happened to "Moriarty"?  He kind of fell off the face of the earth around here.


He closed out his membership. he continued to talk with R99, or Georger off the forum. perhaps they has a better idea?

It must have been Georger.  I don't think it was me.

Robert99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 31, 2015, 09:31:51 PM
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Whatever happened to "Moriarty"?  He kind of fell off the face of the earth around here.


He closed out his membership. he continued to talk with R99, or Georger off the forum. perhaps they has a better idea?

It must have been Georger.  I don't think it was me.

Robert99

Ok, maybe Georger will give some information. I can't think of anyone else it could of been.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 31, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
ME!

But I haven't heard from him for several months.  He said he was working on Hush-Hush...Big-Big....etc....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on March 31, 2015, 09:48:02 PM
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Well, lets just let it go. I don't think celebrating the lose will do any good for anyone. it's unfortunate, but as I mentioned, the writing was on the walls for some time now. I always felt as if I was intruding into the sport of skydiving by not being one myself. that was another reason I started this forum. hopefully it will remain just as the other locked thread has over the years, so information can still be accessed.

I don't mind discussing the news, but lets keep the remarks down a notch.

Thanks
Shutter.....

I do need to grieve the passing of the DZ, though. It was a great place in its day, and I learned a ton o' stuff about DBC there. Larry's contributions were invaluable.

In the DZ's latter years, it evolved into a kind of comic book that I loved to read over my first cup of coffee, or late at night as the world gets very quiet. In some ways it was my "People" magazine to the "National Geographic" that this forum appears to be.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 31, 2015, 10:00:58 PM
As I mentioned, I don't mind discussing it. I was part of it too. it was the first place I discussed anything about Cooper. I was a greenhorn coming in. I always liked the case, but never dug into it until I read about Marla. that's when I chimed in on the DZ. I remember the first response I got was from Georger making fun of my username  ;) ;)

I found it.....
"How's Mr. Hutter356Magnum, and all the little
Red Ryders ?"

 ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on March 31, 2015, 10:30:53 PM
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Well, lets just let it go. I don't think celebrating the lose will do any good for anyone. it's unfortunate, but as I mentioned, the writing was on the walls for some time now. I always felt as if I was intruding into the sport of skydiving by not being one myself. that was another reason I started this forum. hopefully it will remain just as the other locked thread has over the years, so information can still be accessed.

I don't mind discussing the news, but lets keep the remarks down a notch.

Thanks
Shutter.....

I do need to grieve the passing of the DZ, though. It was a great place in its day, and I learned a ton o' stuff about DBC there. Larry's contributions were invaluable.

In the DZ's latter years, it evolved into a kind of comic book that I loved to read over my first cup of coffee, or late at night as the world gets very quiet. In some ways it was my "People" magazine to the "National Geographic" that this forum appears to be.

lol.. I like your analogy -   I will miss it, but I do think it had outlived its usefulness.

It is ironic that one of the main people responsible for it closing has now started and seems to be in charge of the "dropzone replacement" google group and is using that moniker to gain members. Was that the ultimate motive for trashing the thread or have I been reading too much Bruce Smith??  ;D ;D
Nothing against RB personally, but that kind of kills it for me. I just find it hard to believe that it won't turn into the RB and KC forum.

Not to say it was just him that trashed the dz thread -- it wasn't -- it is hard not to play into pissin contests, and, some do better at ignoring hubris and bs (that's small case bs) than others, AND, hey, I believe some actually like the endless sparring. But, face it, he gave as good as he got and was a primary reason that a lot of people just quit posting and a prime reason for much of the bickering. I don't know - but when someone is known as a "venom magnet" there is usually a good reason.

And that's all I've got to say on the subject because I don't want this to revert to a RB bashing forum.  Sometimes you have to just say what you're thinking, and I did that so now I can move on. I'd rather talk about Cooper or naked Xingu tribesmen from the Village of Yawalapiti.    ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 31, 2015, 10:39:56 PM
Robert, and Jo will really go at it now! I also noticed he has a section for suspects, plural, and not singular  ;D :D ;) if I didn't know any better, he's trying to follow the way this thread is built, and the final note, it's no longer a HUGE problem being perma banned  :D

Let's see what happens.......
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 31, 2015, 10:53:13 PM
I've noticed an unusual amount of guests tonite.....went up to 16 for the most online today....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on March 31, 2015, 10:54:34 PM
I just signed up on the new thread.  It sounds legit and I think it will be "Lepsy" friendly.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 31, 2015, 11:07:20 PM
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I just signed up on the new thread.  It sounds legit and I think it will be "Lepsy" friendly.  Thoughts?


I can't tell you what to do one way, or the other. I understand you are trying to seek out avenues for Lepsy, so, that's your decision, and yours alone.....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 31, 2015, 11:48:11 PM
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Well, lets just let it go. I don't think celebrating the lose will do any good for anyone. it's unfortunate, but as I mentioned, the writing was on the walls for some time now. I always felt as if I was intruding into the sport of skydiving by not being one myself. that was another reason I started this forum. hopefully it will remain just as the other locked thread has over the years, so information can still be accessed.

I don't mind discussing the news, but lets keep the remarks down a notch.

Thanks
Shutter.....

It's difficult to know what to say. I agree about 'let it go'. I came to that conclusion and did that personally a number of months ago, but it did no good! Now it's over. The whole thing is perplexing. Ive never seen or been a part of anything like that ... in my life.

Nothing else to say!   
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MarkBennett on March 31, 2015, 11:49:32 PM
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As I mentioned, I don't mind discussing it. I was part of it too. it was the first place I discussed anything about Cooper. I was a greenhorn coming in. I always liked the case, but never dug into it until I read about Marla. that's when I chimed in on the DZ. I remember the first response I got was from Georger making fun of my username  ;) ;)

I found it.....
"How's Mr. Hutter356Magnum, and all the little
Red Ryders ?"

 ;D :D ;)

How about this one?  I thought this one was funny.
Quote
it's not Mrs Hutter it's Mr Shutter (long story)

Dave

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 31, 2015, 11:50:09 PM
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Whatever happened to "Moriarty"?  He kind of fell off the face of the earth around here.


He closed out his membership. he continued to talk with R99, or Georger off the forum. perhaps they have a better idea?

I dont know either - maybe he will be back - he certainly is welcome!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 31, 2015, 11:54:56 PM
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Whatever happened to "Moriarty"?  He kind of fell off the face of the earth around here.


He closed out his membership. he continued to talk with R99, or Georger off the forum. perhaps they has a better idea?

It must have been Georger.  I don't think it was me.

Robert99

Ok, maybe Georger will give some information. I can't think of anyone else it could of been.

what is confidental and no threat to persons, property, or camels ... stays confidential with me!  :-*
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on March 31, 2015, 11:57:24 PM
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Well, lets just let it go. I don't think celebrating the lose will do any good for anyone. it's unfortunate, but as I mentioned, the writing was on the walls for some time now. I always felt as if I was intruding into the sport of skydiving by not being one myself. that was another reason I started this forum. hopefully it will remain just as the other locked thread has over the years, so information can still be accessed.

I don't mind discussing the news, but lets keep the remarks down a notch.

Thanks
Shutter.....

It's difficult to know what to say. I agree about 'let it go'. I came to that conclusion and did that personally a number of months ago, but it did no good! Now it's over. The whole thing is perplexing. Ive never seen or been a part of anything like that ... in my life.

Nothing else to say!


Don't get me wrong G, I just meant we need to hold back on the bashing. we can discuss the closing all nite long, I don't have a problem with that, or who caused it as long as we do it in a civil manner. lets remain above the levels they stooped too.....

We have shown them that we can discuss Cooper without the constant bickering. we have proven that many times over.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on March 31, 2015, 11:59:09 PM
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As I mentioned, I don't mind discussing it. I was part of it too. it was the first place I discussed anything about Cooper. I was a greenhorn coming in. I always liked the case, but never dug into it until I read about Marla. that's when I chimed in on the DZ. I remember the first response I got was from Georger making fun of my username  ;) ;)

I found it.....
"How's Mr. Hutter356Magnum, and all the little
Red Ryders ?"

 ;D :D ;)

That was during my humor period. Which followed my Letterman, Cubist, and Blue period!     :-\ :-\
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 01, 2015, 12:01:26 AM
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As I mentioned, I don't mind discussing it. I was part of it too. it was the first place I discussed anything about Cooper. I was a greenhorn coming in. I always liked the case, but never dug into it until I read about Marla. that's when I chimed in on the DZ. I remember the first response I got was from Georger making fun of my username  ;) ;)

I found it.....
"How's Mr. Hutter356Magnum, and all the little
Red Ryders ?"

 ;D :D ;)

How about this one?  I thought this one was funny.
Quote
it's not Mrs Hutter it's Mr Shutter (long story)

Dave



I remember that  :D I also remember me & Georger went at it for a page, or two over the tie clip..... :o
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 01, 2015, 12:09:08 AM
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Well, lets just let it go. I don't think celebrating the lose will do any good for anyone. it's unfortunate, but as I mentioned, the writing was on the walls for some time now. I always felt as if I was intruding into the sport of skydiving by not being one myself. that was another reason I started this forum. hopefully it will remain just as the other locked thread has over the years, so information can still be accessed.

I don't mind discussing the news, but lets keep the remarks down a notch.

Thanks
Shutter.....

I do need to grieve the passing of the DZ, though. It was a great place in its day, and I learned a ton o' stuff about DBC there. Larry's contributions were invaluable.

In the DZ's latter years, it evolved into a kind of comic book that I loved to read over my first cup of coffee, or late at night as the world gets very quiet. In some ways it was my "People" magazine to the "National Geographic" that this forum appears to be.

lol.. I like your analogy -   I will miss it, but I do think it had outlived its usefulness.

It is ironic that one of the main people responsible for it closing has now started and seems to be in charge of the "dropzone replacement" google group and is using that moniker to gain members. Was that the ultimate motive for trashing the thread or have I been reading too much Bruce Smith??  ;D ;D
Nothing against RB personally, but that kind of kills it for me. I just find it hard to believe that it won't turn into the RB and KC forum.

Not to say it was just him that trashed the dz thread -- it wasn't -- it is hard not to play into pissin contests, and, some do better at ignoring hubris and bs (that's small case bs) than others, AND, hey, I believe some actually like the endless sparring. But, face it, he gave as good as he got and was a primary reason that a lot of people just quit posting and a prime reason for much of the bickering. I don't know - but when someone is known as a "venom magnet" there is usually a good reason.

And that's all I've got to say on the subject because I don't want this to revert to a RB bashing forum.  Sometimes you have to just say what you're thinking, and I did that so now I can move on. I'd rather talk about Cooper or naked Xingu tribesmen from the Village of Yawalapiti.    ;D

Tell us about these naked Xingu at Yawalapiti? Did the Pharaoh Neptiptutah conquer them too in 300 BCE?

RB will find out that Google Groups has a much stricter policy than DZ. He's had a Cooper discussion group open at AB Books for years and nobody went there either! Why would his two fans go to Google Groups now?

What's the name of his Google Group? I am the Mod of five Google Tech groups and have subscribed to six others for years. If he starts using my name at Google Groups - he is gone!



Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 01, 2015, 12:21:05 AM
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Well, lets just let it go. I don't think celebrating the lose will do any good for anyone. it's unfortunate, but as I mentioned, the writing was on the walls for some time now. I always felt as if I was intruding into the sport of skydiving by not being one myself. that was another reason I started this forum. hopefully it will remain just as the other locked thread has over the years, so information can still be accessed.

I don't mind discussing the news, but lets keep the remarks down a notch.

Thanks
Shutter.....

It's difficult to know what to say. I agree about 'let it go'. I came to that conclusion and did that personally a number of months ago, but it did no good! Now it's over. The whole thing is perplexing. Ive never seen or been a part of anything like that ... in my life.

Nothing else to say!


Don't get me wrong G, I just meant we need to hold back on the bashing. we can discuss the closing all nite long, I don't have a problem with that, or who caused it as long as we do it in a civil manner. lets remain above the levels they stooped too.....

We have shown them that we can discuss Cooper without the constant bickering. we have proven that many times over.

OK no problem, so let me say this. One basic problem at DZ was no Mod had the time to 'moderate' the nuts at the forum. It got completely out of control. Sangiro mentions handling complaints from the people posting at DZ? Cant be me. I havent been there for a year. My guess it the majority of those PM's (complaints about other posters)  were from just two people? If only two people can overwhelm a Mod, then what chance does the thread have! None. During my whole tenure at DZ I am willing to bet I did not send a total of "12" PM's to a Mod or Sangiro the whole time - in all of those years. Sp PM's to Mods weren't from me! I just sat and sat and sat and posted and posted and posted and waited for the 'shoe to drop' as months/years went by. And of those "12" PMs I probably sent, 4 or 5 or those were in the last week I was there trying to get someone to take my account down! I realised clear back in 2009 the thread was hopeless and the FBI would never come back.

Case closed.

 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 01, 2015, 12:38:33 AM
I made several attempts to contact them maybe 8-9 months ago. I never got any response. I wouldn't doubt some of the jumpers who never posted, or did in the past has had a hand in the complaints. the whole thing reminds me of the show "Happy Days" that show went way past it's point of cancellation. they didn't try and remove the problems, or try and repair them.

The show "Two And A Half Men" did the same. once Charlie was gone, it just wasn't the same, and then the kid turns into a man, which turns it into " 3 Grown Men"  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on April 01, 2015, 01:01:45 AM
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Well, lets just let it go. I don't think celebrating the lose will do any good for anyone. it's unfortunate, but as I mentioned, the writing was on the walls for some time now. I always felt as if I was intruding into the sport of skydiving by not being one myself. that was another reason I started this forum. hopefully it will remain just as the other locked thread has over the years, so information can still be accessed.

I don't mind discussing the news, but lets keep the remarks down a notch.

Thanks
Shutter.....

I do need to grieve the passing of the DZ, though. It was a great place in its day, and I learned a ton o' stuff about DBC there. Larry's contributions were invaluable.

In the DZ's latter years, it evolved into a kind of comic book that I loved to read over my first cup of coffee, or late at night as the world gets very quiet. In some ways it was my "People" magazine to the "National Geographic" that this forum appears to be.

lol.. I like your analogy -   I will miss it, but I do think it had outlived its usefulness.

It is ironic that one of the main people responsible for it closing has now started and seems to be in charge of the "dropzone replacement" google group and is using that moniker to gain members. Was that the ultimate motive for trashing the thread or have I been reading too much Bruce Smith??  ;D ;D
Nothing against RB personally, but that kind of kills it for me. I just find it hard to believe that it won't turn into the RB and KC forum.

Not to say it was just him that trashed the dz thread -- it wasn't -- it is hard not to play into pissin contests, and, some do better at ignoring hubris and bs (that's small case bs) than others, AND, hey, I believe some actually like the endless sparring. But, face it, he gave as good as he got and was a primary reason that a lot of people just quit posting and a prime reason for much of the bickering. I don't know - but when someone is known as a "venom magnet" there is usually a good reason.

And that's all I've got to say on the subject because I don't want this to revert to a RB bashing forum.  Sometimes you have to just say what you're thinking, and I did that so now I can move on. I'd rather talk about Cooper or naked Xingu tribesmen from the Village of Yawalapiti.    ;D

Tell us about these naked Xingu at Yawalapiti? Did the Pharaoh Neptiptutah conquer them too in 300 BCE?


lol. who the hell knows. I think they might still be around. Just channeling Bruce's nat'l geo remark.  :D 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 01, 2015, 02:09:49 AM
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Well, lets just let it go. I don't think celebrating the lose will do any good for anyone. it's unfortunate, but as I mentioned, the writing was on the walls for some time now. I always felt as if I was intruding into the sport of skydiving by not being one myself. that was another reason I started this forum. hopefully it will remain just as the other locked thread has over the years, so information can still be accessed.

I don't mind discussing the news, but lets keep the remarks down a notch.

Thanks
Shutter.....

I do need to grieve the passing of the DZ, though. It was a great place in its day, and I learned a ton o' stuff about DBC there. Larry's contributions were invaluable.

In the DZ's latter years, it evolved into a kind of comic book that I loved to read over my first cup of coffee, or late at night as the world gets very quiet. In some ways it was my "People" magazine to the "National Geographic" that this forum appears to be.

lol.. I like your analogy -   I will miss it, but I do think it had outlived its usefulness.

It is ironic that one of the main people responsible for it closing has now started and seems to be in charge of the "dropzone replacement" google group and is using that moniker to gain members. Was that the ultimate motive for trashing the thread or have I been reading too much Bruce Smith??  ;D ;D
Nothing against RB personally, but that kind of kills it for me. I just find it hard to believe that it won't turn into the RB and KC forum.

Not to say it was just him that trashed the dz thread -- it wasn't -- it is hard not to play into pissin contests, and, some do better at ignoring hubris and bs (that's small case bs) than others, AND, hey, I believe some actually like the endless sparring. But, face it, he gave as good as he got and was a primary reason that a lot of people just quit posting and a prime reason for much of the bickering. I don't know - but when someone is known as a "venom magnet" there is usually a good reason.

And that's all I've got to say on the subject because I don't want this to revert to a RB bashing forum.  Sometimes you have to just say what you're thinking, and I did that so now I can move on. I'd rather talk about Cooper or naked Xingu tribesmen from the Village of Yawalapiti.    ;D

Tell us about these naked Xingu at Yawalapiti? Did the Pharaoh Neptiptutah conquer them too in 300 BCE?


lol. who the hell knows. I think they might still be around. Just channeling Bruce's nat'l geo remark.  :D

Been following a CNN series on the archaeology of Israel ... first mention of an Israel is by some Egyptian Pharoh who went to wipe out trouble makers in Canaan and encountered a people named Israel in the Highlands above Canaan, and writes on the Merneptah Stele: "their seed is no more" meaning they no longer exist. Never mind...
...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 01, 2015, 11:47:38 AM
Sangrio made a final post on Dropzone.......
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 01, 2015, 12:01:22 PM
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Sangrio made a final post on Dropzone.......

Shutter his nym is 'San-gi-ro' not Sangrio. And his name is Willem Grobler
Owner at D4DR Media in South Afrika.


Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 01, 2015, 12:07:50 PM
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Shutter his nym is 'San-gi-ro' not Sangrio. And his name is Willem Grobler
Owner at D4DR Media in South Afrika.


Got it....

"Sangiro" made a final post on Dropzone......(see above attachment)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 02, 2015, 12:10:51 AM
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Shutter his nym is 'San-gi-ro' not Sangrio. And his name is Willem Grobler
Owner at D4DR Media in South Afrika.


Got it....

"Sangiro" made a final post on Dropzone......(see above attachment)

Dont feel bad ... it took me 500 tries to get it right!

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 02, 2015, 01:18:09 AM
Isn't it really sangria?

Just askin'....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 02, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
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Isn't it really sangria?

Just askin'....

 :)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangria   ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 02:13:56 AM
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Isn't it really sangria?

Just askin'....

 :)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangria   ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangri-La
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 02, 2015, 04:20:33 PM
I've received some interesting information from Miss Jo today.

She claims that she was largely responsible for shutting down the DZ forum. In fact, she claims she asked Sangria six months ago to do so, and that recently she orchestrated the closing with Sangria's help. Specifically, he waited until she had her "FBI file" ready to go before he shut things down.

Now, this may simply be a case of Jo piggybacking again onto someone's else's story, but Sangria's last post did catch my eye as it came a bit after a juicy post from Jo.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 04:29:02 PM
I wouldn't doubt it. I'm sure she PM'd numerous (lots) of times. I'm still getting emails from her. I received two the day they shut DZ down, or locked it....

Title: Re: Tina Bar Money Find
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 05:19:52 PM
I think Farf was on DZ a while ago under the name of Yellow something, I can't remember, but he started to sound like Farf.

Unfortunately Jo is banned from here. this goes back to the start of this forum. then she said some rather nasty things that were completely false about Vicki. the first problem was between Jo & Bruce. perhaps she can find some peace now.
Title: Re: Re: Tina Bar Money Find
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 05:23:22 PM
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I still think the Ingram DBC money discovery is either incredibly lucky or we don't know all the facts.

None of it makes any sense, but why would we have a different story to this? this would mean lots of others involved with the money, or Cooper.

Now, we do have multiple stories from the Ingram's....
Title: Re: Re: Tina Bar Money Find
Post by: 377 on April 02, 2015, 05:28:39 PM
It's your forum Mr. Shutter so you can make the rules, but Jo is an old ill woman who desperately needs a DBC forum. I hope you will consider giving her a conditional re-admission. Old people really need a social connection and I fear that the DZ forum was the entirety of her social world. Give it some thought. It would be an act of kindness to give her another chance. She might behave and if she did not you could permaban her.

I emailed Yellow and he gave a very convincing answer denying that he was Farflung... but Farflung is clever enough to fool 377 any day.

377
Title: Re: Re: Tina Bar Money Find
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 05:40:59 PM
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It's your forum Mr. Shutter so you can make the rules, but Jo is an old ill woman who desperately needs a DBC forum. I hope you will consider giving her a conditional re-admission. Old people really need a social connection and I fear that the DZ forum was the entirety of her social world. Give it some thought. It would be an act of kindness to give her another chance. She might behave and if she did not you could permaban her.

I emailed Yellow and he gave a very convincing answer denying that he was Farflung... but Farflung is clever enough to fool 377 any day.

377


I understand your point, but I think it causes her more aggravation than anything. certain steps must to be taken before any consideration would change my mind. this is not just my decision, we discussed it over a year ago. I like to keep everyone in the loop of what goes on with this forum.

To date, I don't believe we have had any bickering going on with this forum. sure, we have had some disagreements, but nothing that disrupts the forum. now, Galen was a different story. I received a lot of complaints on his behavior. the problem was resolved. I wish the guy would put aside his problems with Blevins, and Jo. I think he could be an important part of this team.

As for Yellow, lets just hope you are wrong. has anyone tried contacting him. I'm sure that's a dumb question, but it must be asked.
Title: Re: Re: Tina Bar Money Find
Post by: 377 on April 02, 2015, 06:25:02 PM
How about it folks. Give Jo a probationary re-admission?

Remember when she was banned from here she still had the DZ forum available. Now that it's shut down she has lost what I fear is her primary social connection. That can be devastating to an old person living alone. I think allowing her back on would be a compassionate act. If she misbehaves then Mr. Shutter can permaban her.

At the risk of scorn from my colleagues, I vote yes.

377
Title: Re: Re: Tina Bar Money Find
Post by: Robert99 on April 02, 2015, 07:42:01 PM
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How about it folks. Give Jo a probationary re-admission?

Remember when she was banned from here she still had the DZ forum available. Now that it's shut down she has lost what I fear is her primary social connection. That can be devastating to an old person living alone. I think allowing her back on would be a compassionate act. If she misbehaves then Mr. Shutter can permaban her.

At the risk of scorn from my colleagues, I vote yes.

377

I vote NO!  But as you say, Shutter has the only vote that gets counted.

Jo and Blevins have delayed the resolution of the Cooper matter by several years in my opinion.  Jo is NOT that old and I frankly doubt that she is as ill as she has been claiming for the last 10+ years or so.

There is nothing on this site that would help cure Jo of her problems, which are emotional in my opinion.  In fact, it would probably be better for her if she had to confront her problems and get professional help for them.  In my judgment she needs to see a shrink, and I doubt if there is one on this site.

Jo (and Blevins) must surely have realized what the end result of her DZ postings would be.  If she didn't, are you sure that she is bright enough to be here in the first place?

Robert99
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 07:44:53 PM
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How about it folks. Give Jo a probationary re-admission?


While we have this in the open I need to point out several things. first of all, I started this forum basically to get away from the bickering. I also admit to being part of it, so I'm no angel either. we all know she doesn't work well at all with Bruce. I see nothing but trouble right from that stand point alone.

Bruce, and Vicki will have the final answers to anything about admission. I can think of 3 more people that will not agree to any of this. Jo has done a lot of damage and I'm not sure it can be repaired. I can be very forgiving if the circumstances allow it. at the present moment I don't see any. I stayed in contact with her all the way through her removal at the start of this thread, but I stopped once she attacked a personal friend of mine!

I will listen to what the room has to say about this current issue you brought to the table....

Fair enough?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 02, 2015, 08:52:57 PM
Jo says she doesn't need or want the DZ, or this forum. She says she is content with her dossier, the FBI, and the unnamed associates she says who help her.  Her two emails to me over the last two days were lengthy and substantive. She didn't sounds panicky or needy. She even called once, today, and sounded like the old Jo.

That said, I really don't know what Jo needs or wants, but I DO know what I need and that is a Jo-Free Zone.  The girl knows she can call and email anytime...(and does....). In the meantime, I need adult company.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 02, 2015, 08:58:27 PM
One more thing about Jo. She makes OTHER people crazy, and those people in turn drive ME crazy.

Just sayin'....

However, I'm not comfortable being in the driver's seat about Yea or Nay on Jo, but I support whatever the community says is best for the community. But if the cops show up and ask me about the latest ramblings, accusations, and pronouncements of forensic evidence that implicate me in some crime, I'm calling YOU GUYS no matter the time difference and YOU know who you are!!!

You have been duly informed.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Re: Tina Bar Money Find
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 02, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
377:
How about it folks. Give Jo a probationary re-admission?

Remember when she was banned from here she still had the DZ forum available. Now that it's shut down she has lost what I fear is her primary social connection. That can be devastating to an old person living alone. I think allowing her back on would be a compassionate act. If she misbehaves then Mr. Shutter can permaban her.

At the risk of scorn from my colleagues, I vote yes.

BAS:

THREE-SEVEN-SEVEN!!!!!!!  Arrgghhhhh.  Lucy, Charlie Brown, football...kick-offs. We all need a place-holder, right? Mark.......

377
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Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 02, 2015, 09:05:58 PM
Another suggestion, Shut. Why not offer Jo conditional postings, where she can email you her concerns and you review them. If they're not totally insane, then share them here.

The woman needs a goddamn filter, and she can't provide it. So...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 09:07:25 PM
Thanks Bruce, I guess I should of been a little more clear. what I was implying is that your decision, along with Vicki's would have been the strongest points to my final decision. I wouldn't of allowed it if either of you were against the lifting of the ban.

Robert99, thank you for your input as well.

If what Bruce is saying is true that she doesn't want to be a part of the forums anymore, I think we can move on from this discussion...

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 09:09:31 PM
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Another suggestion, Shut. Why not offer Jo conditional postings, where she can email you her concerns and you review them. If they're not totally insane, then share them here.

I had thought of that earlier, but I haven't really responded to her emails in months...if it's something of value, I'm sure the message will get through...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 02, 2015, 09:14:30 PM
Shall I refer her to you when she comes knocking on my door?  Business hours, only, of course.....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 09:16:46 PM
Does it really make a difference one way, or the other with Jo?  :P
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on April 02, 2015, 10:14:35 PM
My opinion (not sure if I have a vote) is no go on Jo.  She is a ball of negativity and I don't see what she could add around here.  She can head over to Robert's Google group and continue her postings there, if she feels the need.  We all have different points of view around here, but I like to think we can express our thoughts and challenge each other's opinions without personal attacks and rambling posts which dominate the thread.  No go on Jo & bad mojo. 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
Good points NMI. thanks for your input....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MarkBennett on April 02, 2015, 10:45:38 PM
My two cents....we can go down this path with Jo if we want to, but we all know where it leads.  One of the reasons this site was started, besides the bickering, was Jo and Robert dominated every discussion.  Jo has accused Bruce of murder, Georger of being part of the JFK conspiracy (as a teenager, I believe!) and called Vicki a "sneaky snake".  Rumor also has it that she was the one responsible for Carr leaving the thread.

I feel sorry for Jo losing her outlet, but I can't imagine it turning out well.  It's your site and your choice, Shutter, but my vote would be "no".

Another thought:  Posting was a huge part of Jo's social life everyday, but that was also true of Robert.  I don't see anyone advocating giving him a "probationary" account.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 10:55:37 PM
Thanks Mark, I have always liked Jo, but when she gets upset it puts everything into a uncontrolled dive! if what Bruce said is true, she doesn't want to get involved with forums anyway. I could let everything go, except what she said about Vicki. that was way out of line. the murder thingy, it's bad, but it's so ridiculous that nobody believes that for a second.

We all know Bruce was with a friend in a Airstream camping that day  ;D :D :o
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: smokin99 on April 02, 2015, 11:21:42 PM
 I don't have a problem with Jo posting though I see Mark's point about where it will lead... ..to be honest I usually just kind of skim her stuff and basically ignore it because it is just so disjointed. I've asked her so many times to try to catalogue her stuff and quit trying to  force a Duane relationship with every new person or theory that comes along, but Jo's made her road and that's the one she wants to travel.

Sounds like she's decided she doesn't want to be on here anyway, but if she did request it and you wanted a compromise between the yays and the nays, maybe you could give her a Duane thread and restrict her to it -- she could post to her heart's content and no one has to go there if they choose not to. Just a suggestion..

On the other hand, if she doesn't let you know she wants to visit, then I probably wouldn't leave the porch light on.
Or to paraphrase dear ol dad, let the sleeping Jo lie.  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 02, 2015, 11:32:20 PM
Thanks 99, I offered Jo a spot when the trouble first started a year ago. I'm not so sure now. it's a very tough decision to think about dealing with this issue. I guess time will tell us how she will react to the nightly routine that is now gone.

So, basically, I have not changed my mind on the current status.....that's my feelings about it at this moment in time...

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 03, 2015, 12:04:16 AM
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Thanks 99, I offered Jo a spot when the trouble first started a year ago. I'm not so sure now. it's a very tough decision to think about dealing with this issue. I guess time will tell us how she will react to the nightly routine that is now gone.

So, basically, I have not changed my mind on the current status.....that's my feelings about it at this moment in time...

Shutter

As one of Jo's involuntary victims ... who she says killed JFK (when I was seventeen in a rural school in Ioway!) -
I have mixed feelings about this, to put it mildly. I might be forced to finally complain to Law Enforcement and my phone provider to have all of her phone stalking stopped!  I am not in favor of empowering stalkers and trolls who have a personality disorder and think they own everyone else on the planet! :-\ :-* 

I will leave if Jo Weber comes here. Period.

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 03, 2015, 04:57:35 PM
DZ Refugee Update



Since it has come to my attention that not everyone sees reality the same way I do, I thought Bobby's request might find some resonance somewhere in Cooper World, and I wouldn't want any inaction on my part to be the cause of someone else's disenchantment.

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 03, 2015, 06:54:48 PM
So, the guy plasters all kinds of crap on his old site with a life of 3 days, then he wants you to advertise here for him? did you fail to see his little threats on his Google group? the next time you get any information like this, I need to know about it prior to posting it.

I removed the advertising on your post.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 03, 2015, 07:10:46 PM
I think the people banned in the past on this forum need to stay in the past. we discussed the possibility of one of the banned members, I think a conclusion has been made. the whole thing is unfortunate, but I think we can move on from this. I said my peace to Mr. Blevins about his recent move of continuing to disrupt. I'm done with him.

If anyone has any issues about any of this, please PM me. lets put this in the past.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 03, 2015, 11:44:32 PM
No problem.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: 73blazer on April 03, 2015, 11:57:29 PM
Another refugee, I guess. I'm more of a bystander, but I pipe up now and again when there is perhaps something useful to be said.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 04, 2015, 12:08:43 AM
Welcome 73blazer, most of the heavy conversation with Cooper is on the Tina Bar section, and the flight path at the moment.

Lots of different opinions on how the money surfaced on the Columbia continue to puzzle us....and then many questions about the path as well. feel free to jump in with any thoughts...

Shutter

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 05, 2015, 12:46:58 PM
Now, I hate to have to bring this up, but I feel it's necessary. Mr. Blevins has started his 3rd attempt at a new Cooper forum. I don't have a problem with that normally, but if you take a look as to what he has done. it appears to be the biggest hypocritical thing he's done to date.

He is on a free server. Now, Mr. Blevins blasted me for months claiming censorship due to the fact that Google doesn't search out free web forums, and limits the amount of people to that forum, and yet he turns around and does the same?

I was accused of "stealing" posters from Dropzon.com. 1000things seems to be a recruiter for the forum. I received a PM from him, and I'm getting other people stating the same. I can't say one way or the other if he knows about this, but once again it goes back to things he complained I was doing!

Then prior to starting the 3rd forum he used the Google group front page to make threats against posters from this forum threatening to release private information. he has since taken down his garble. I don't know if it was from me sending information to Google, and Sangiro, or not. he put Dropzone in a bad position with that stunt. I sent screenshots prior to him taking it down which his is another trademark of his flip flopping, and constantly changing his comments.

He has also followed the same style this forum has. I take that as a compliment. ;D

I can't tell anyone what, or where to go, but you might want to use extreme caution to who you want to be linked with. hopefully this won't turn into a tennis pissing match back and forth with the two forums as DZ did.

Thank You
Dave Brown (aka Shutter)


ADDED: it can be discussed, but in a civil manner!!




Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MarkBennett on April 05, 2015, 03:04:19 PM
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Now, I hate to have to bring this up, but I feel it's necessary. Mr. Blevins has started his 3rd attempt at a new Cooper forum. I don't have a problem with that normally, but if you take a look as to what he has done. it appears to be the biggest hypocritical thing he's done to date.

He is on a free server. Now, Mr. Blevins blasted me for months claiming censorship due to the fact that Google doesn't search out free web forums, and limits the amount of people to that forum, and yet he turns around and does the same?

I was accused of "stealing" posters from Dropzon.com. 1000things seems to be a recruiter for the forum. I received a PM from him, and I'm getting other people stating the same. I can't say one way or the other if he knows about this, but once again it goes back to things he complained I was doing!

Then prior to starting the 3rd forum he used the Google group front page to make threats against posters from this forum threatening to release private information. he has since taken down his garble. I don't know if it was from me sending information to Google, and Sangiro, or not. he put Dropzone in a bad position with that stunt. I sent screenshots prior to him taking it down which his is another trademark of his flip flopping, and constantly changing his comments.

He has also followed the same style this forum has. I take that as a compliment. ;D

I can't tell anyone what, or where to go, but you might want to use extreme caution to who you want to be linked with. hopefully this won't turn into a tennis pissing match back and forth with the two forums as DZ did.

Thank You
Dave Brown (aka Shutter)


ADDED: it can be discussed, but in a civil manner!!

I received a PM from 1000things also. 

I think it's a good thing.  It gives Robert a place to post and any response he gets from the FBI is newsworthy, even though I suspect it will be something along the lines of "Thank you for you submission.  You can be assured we will give it appropriate consideration, as we do all submissions".

The problem he has is the number of people interested in the case is fairly small and it's tough to start a new forum unless someone with a great deal of knowledge joins his site, which is unlikely.  But, if it's a distinct group over there, hopefully it's less likely to have bickering between the sites.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 05, 2015, 03:24:48 PM
Thanks Mark, as I stated, I don't have a problem with anyone starting a Cooper forum, or anything on the internet. however, he tried for months on end to try and destroy what we were doing here, and now seems to be following my footsteps by doing exactly what I did. again, I have no problem with that either, but he painted an entirely different picture during my steps into the creation of a forum. I'm sure he's doing the exact same thing by going with a free forum to see if an investment is worth while. but it appears once again to be perfectly fine on his end. he was basically posting non stop for over 4-5 months over, and over how Google can't see the forum, and it censors the public etc etc.

I put a lot of time, and effort into this. so, I have a little bit of a different view. I was constantly under the microscope. perhaps he will take a different approach about this. the Google Group message was not a very good sign, so just like the rest. I'll watch, and see how things go....I'm sure it will be a little bumpy at the start. it's to be expected. he was a major contributor to the closing of a long running thread. I don't put all the blame on him, but a large percentage.

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MarkBennett on April 05, 2015, 03:34:07 PM
Some of it is just lashing out because he's hurt about not being allowed to post here.  And, I'm not sure he even recognizes why.  It's pretty telling when he keeps posting that snippet of his article about the negative type of people in Cooperland and seeing that's he's describing himself to a "T".

By the way, the Twilight Zone episode I described that reminded me of that (the guy that wanted to make all the evil people in the world 2 feet tall so they'd be able to be identified -- not realizing he was one of the evil people himself) was on TV the same day they closed the thread on DZ.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 05, 2015, 03:42:50 PM
Agreed, but lashing out typically fades quickly. he stayed on it from the start two three times a day for months. that's way over lashing out. he was always instigative, and did have an agenda to try and destroy this forum. I still don't believe he thinks he did anything wrong that got him banned from here in the first place. perhaps I carry more bitterness than others, but i was the one under fire......it's always easier looking in from the outside!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on April 06, 2015, 02:35:05 AM
I got a PM as well on my DZ account. I'm going to pass. The fighting has to stop and quite frankly I am tired of arguing with Blevins, even though it was never personal. It doesn't get said enough, but thanks Dave for putting together and maintaining this site. It is what DZ should have been.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 06, 2015, 03:01:07 AM
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I got a PM as well on my DZ account. I'm going to pass. The fighting has to stop and quite frankly I am tired of arguing with Blevins, even though it was never personal. It doesn't get said enough, but thanks Dave for putting together and maintaining this site. It is what DZ should have been.

I agree with everything you say.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 06, 2015, 03:30:14 AM
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I got a PM as well on my DZ account. I'm going to pass. The fighting has to stop and quite frankly I am tired of arguing with Blevins, even though it was never personal. It doesn't get said enough, but thanks Dave for putting together and maintaining this site. It is what DZ should have been.


Thanks, I've probably said it 10, or more times that it needed to stop. Robert always instigated everyone into the challenge making it hard to ignore. I'm sure lots of the jumpers were very tired of reading his rants. they slowed down considerably, but the first 4-5 months it was all he did.

My goal here was to have a place to discuss Cooper. I knew two members from DZ would have to be left out for the forum to function. I had no pleasure in it. it's not a game for me, and it's never been. I seen the downfall coming last year, but just didn't know when they would turn out the lights. they left the room, but the lights stayed on for over a year unsupervised. it was obvious to what was coming. I doubt I will ever see something like that happen again.

I don't think he will change. his attack on Georger recently was once again uncalled for. now, he's on Cook again on Bruce's blog. time will tell on what he does. the "public" doesn't seem to be reacting over there. the numbers are dropping on the DZ page, but then again, they double, and sometimes triple for unknown reasons. I was on an older thread, and I'm sure nobody was there, and yet every time I refreshed the page it would jump up a couple views. the counter is not accurate by any means. the numbers, or total on those pages are skewed. 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 09, 2015, 05:59:53 PM
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I got a PM as well on my DZ account. I'm going to pass. The fighting has to stop and quite frankly I am tired of arguing with Blevins, even though it was never personal. It doesn't get said enough, but thanks Dave for putting together and maintaining this site. It is what DZ should have been.


Thanks, I've probably said it 10, or more times that it needed to stop. Robert always instigated everyone into the challenge making it hard to ignore. I'm sure lots of the jumpers were very tired of reading his rants. they slowed down considerably, but the first 4-5 months it was all he did.

My goal here was to have a place to discuss Cooper. I knew two members from DZ would have to be left out for the forum to function. I had no pleasure in it. it's not a game for me, and it's never been. I seen the downfall coming last year, but just didn't know when they would turn out the lights. they left the room, but the lights stayed on for over a year unsupervised. it was obvious to what was coming. I doubt I will ever see something like that happen again.

I don't think he will change. his attack on Georger recently was once again uncalled for. now, he's on Cook again on Bruce's blog. time will tell on what he does. the "public" doesn't seem to be reacting over there. the numbers are dropping on the DZ page, but then again, they double, and sometimes triple for unknown reasons. I was on an older thread, and I'm sure nobody was there, and yet every time I refreshed the page it would jump up a couple views. the counter is not accurate by any means. the numbers, or total on those pages are skewed.

Blevin's tool has always been "psychological warfare" ... built out of nothing. He would invent or claim something, then expand upon it as if it was a reality, endlessly. He claimed to be able to know people's motivations, 100% of which he himself invented and attributed to people, then argued against! His whole program is a fiction. He did this in general trying to lay out his invented evidence he said indicated KC was Cooper, and he did it in his relations with everyone who dared to disagree with him, on anything! The whole thing is pure psychological warfare. No wonder 377 tagged him "The Venom Magnet". It has been Blevins spewing all of the venom and falsehoods he refers to as "hatred". Blevins likes to try and plant the word "hate" in people's minds. He is unique in that respect. It is his way of overpowering rational fact-based argument or debate.

 :(   

   
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 11, 2015, 04:17:33 PM
I've been working on the new website. I decided to go ahead with it. this will be a place of information just as it is here, but the best thing will be is nothing will be lost. if anyone has anything to add to the site, just let me know.

http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/1/

Not much on the pages are functional at the moment. this was a template, and I have to remove things, and replaced them, so it will take some time to complete. the links at the bottom work "The Hot Spots"
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 11, 2015, 04:38:58 PM
Say, Shut, since I don't sprechen Sie Deutsch too good, could you just show us more pictures of Brigitte? Not sure how she fits into the DB Cooper case but I'd be happy to consider how she fits into other things as well....

...remember, a picture is worth a thousand words, and Brigitte might be worth a bit more...

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 11, 2015, 04:41:26 PM
What part did you look at  :D :D :D

Only the home page is anywhere near finished, and the site is not "public" at the moment. the pages in the menu bar are from the original template as I explained in my comment above...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 11, 2015, 09:42:40 PM
Well, I started hitting buttons on my keypad and women just started showing up! At first I thought it was just another day at the office, but then I noticed everything was in German, too, so I looked more carefully at the pix....

Maybe we should have a new section: "The Women of Norjak."

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 11, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
Are you still seeing the same as you mentioned before? nobody else has stated this...
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on April 11, 2015, 10:39:53 PM
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Are you still seeing the same as you mentioned before? nobody else has stated this...

The first time I went to the site the text wasn't in English, but now it is.  And it is obvious that you have spent quite a bit of effort on setting that site up.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 11, 2015, 10:46:52 PM
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Are you still seeing the same as you mentioned before? nobody else has stated this...

The first time I went to the site the text wasn't in English, but now it is.  And it is obvious that you have spent quite a bit of effort on setting that site up.


I don't know, in the control panel it does have a language button, but I set it for English. perhaps it didn't set properly at one point..

Yes, it takes a lot of time setting these things up. it will probably change some. I'm looking for a style to run with. might be ready by the end of the week for at least publishing....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 12, 2015, 03:59:31 AM
But are we still gonna have the babes?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 12, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
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But are we still gonna have the babes?


Perhaps this will help you get through the day. we might have to consider getting you fixed.  ;D :D ;)

http://www.si.com/swimsuit/2015/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 12, 2015, 04:49:48 PM
Ah, the women of Tina Beach!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 12, 2015, 05:07:04 PM
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Ah, the women of Tina Beach!


I have a link to your site established in the flight path area...

http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/Flight-Path/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 12, 2015, 11:35:57 PM
Now we need a crosslink between SI Swim Suit issues, Fazio Bros Sand and Gravel, and The Mountain News. Maybe that guy who's been on Tina Bar for 50 years took some, um...pictures?  Just askin'.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on April 12, 2015, 11:48:28 PM
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Now we need a crosslink between SI Swim Suit issues, Fazio Bros Sand and Gravel, and The Mountain News. Maybe that guy who's been on Tina Bar for 50 years took some, um...pictures?  Just askin'.

It's very unlikely that he took any pictures that would be of interest to SI.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 14, 2015, 01:48:39 AM
I did a little test today. I started a proboards forum  ;D

The first thing I noticed was the fact of being able to run the view counts up. I went back several times today clicking away. I got up to almost 300 views on one thread. this forum doesn't allow repeat views within a certain time frame.

The second thing I did was go to the stats. I had to wait till the date changed from yesterday April 13th, to today April 14th in order to get results from the on board stats page which was a joke. the forum is only 12 hours old, and it's telling me over a thousand views registered?

Perhaps I should join the monthly service  ;D if I was to think about this, it appears they are possibly doing this to get you to bump up, and pay for a forum, rather than using there free service  :D

Someone needs to check in ASAP to the ever popular "Reality Hotel"  8)


(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee380/dave767/stats_zpst3di2zcc.jpg)

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 15, 2015, 05:50:19 PM
Second day of testing my Proboard stats...the views have dropped dramatically from the day before. the first day April 13th it reported over a thousand views, and nobody was there  :o

Day two. again, nobody has been linked to the forum, except one person I showed it too the other day. it had dropped from over a thousand to a sorry report of only 226 views  :P

That's not bad considering nobody goes there. I guess you could feel pretty stupid trying to report numbers like these as actual views  ;D

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 17, 2015, 01:51:14 PM
I've spent a couple hours on the new website. I'm working on getting the pages all together, and the links in place. I'm working on the missing persons pages. NMI, if you could PM, or email as to how you wish to have the page set up, just let me know. Vicki has been notified as well.

This is what the site looks like so far....feedback is welcome....

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 17, 2015, 04:08:57 PM
Well, I've done it again  :o


I was working on the new website, and hit "publish" by mistake. this in turn took over the position of this forum, and put the new website in place. they seemed to have at least put this back together, but I'm not sure about the weeks worth of work on the new site.

Hopefully everything will get back to normal in a few hours. I'm working with the server at this moment fixing my whopper of a mistake...

I'm sorry for any trouble this has caused....

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 17, 2015, 04:55:58 PM
The server didn't create a "sub domain" so when I hit the publish button by mistake, it replaced the forum with the new website. it didn't see any other domain, only the one this forum is on. I think I have it under control now.

http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/Home/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 18, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
18E has joined our forum. he's not to be confused with 18C :D they are two different people. I guess A,B,D, and F will follow shortly...... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Had to say it....

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 18, 2015, 11:08:17 PM
Hey Everybody -

Guess what the Easter Bunny brought me for Easter - The DZ!!!

Yup, the whole crew has moved into the Mountain News to continue trash talking, pontificating, and otherwise struttin' about.  Y'all may know about it, since just about everybody is there but Jo, but if not, come on over for a taste of "Reality Hotel."

http://themountainnewswa.net/2015/04/18/db-cooper-cyber-sleuths-adopt-the-mountain-news-as-a-chat-room/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 19, 2015, 12:27:15 AM
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Hey Everybody -

Guess what the Easter Bunny brought me for Easter - The DZ!!!

Yup, the whole crew has moved into the Mountain News to continue trash talking, pontificating, and otherwise struttin' about.  Y'all may know about it, since just about everybody is there but Jo, but if not, come on over for a taste of "Reality Hotel."

http://themountainnewswa.net/2015/04/18/db-cooper-cyber-sleuths-adopt-the-mountain-news-as-a-chat-room/

You have only one problem Bruce, fake authors at your blob!

"georger says:   
April 18, 2015 at 1:58 pm   

I don’t want the front desk. Put me in security so I can monitor Blevin’s work. I want the RH clean, and rid of leaches, bozos, trolls, impostors, snake salesmen, frauds, and wannabes."

.... is not me!

You appear to have inherited the fleas of Dropzone. ???   ;)   Call ORKIN!



Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 19, 2015, 12:56:36 AM
Two of the comments were made by me, just to set the record straight. he's putting Dave Shutter all over the place...

I would guess Knoss has struck again on some of the comments. I could take a guess on the other culprit....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 19, 2015, 04:08:23 AM
My joy only deepens.....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 19, 2015, 01:26:40 PM
I've updated the new site since the last problem occurred. I think all the links are working now. I'm still weak on the flight path, and Tina bar section, but things are moving along.

NMI, I'll be working on your section next. I think I have all the photo's, but lack info needed to put in place to complete...

I was hoping to publish the site by the end of this week, but it appears to have shifted to this coming week...


http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/Home/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on April 19, 2015, 01:48:51 PM
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I've updated the new site since the last problem occurred. I think all the links are working now. I'm still weak on the flight path, and Tina bar section, but things are moving along.

NMI, I'll be working on your section next. I think I have all the photo's, but lack info needed to put in place to complete...

I was hoping to publish the site by the end of this week, but it appears to have shifted to this coming week...


http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/Home/

I'll whip something up and have it to you tonight, if that works?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 19, 2015, 02:01:18 PM
No problem......
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 19, 2015, 04:06:47 PM
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Hey Everybody -

Guess what the Easter Bunny brought me for Easter - The DZ!!!

Yup, the whole crew has moved into the Mountain News to continue trash talking, pontificating, and otherwise struttin' about.  Y'all may know about it, since just about everybody is there but Jo, but if not, come on over for a taste of "Reality Hotel."

http://themountainnewswa.net/2015/04/18/db-cooper-cyber-sleuths-adopt-the-mountain-news-as-a-chat-room/

You have only one problem Bruce, fake authors at your blob!

"georger says:   
April 18, 2015 at 1:58 pm   

I don’t want the front desk. Put me in security so I can monitor Blevin’s work. I want the RH clean, and rid of leaches, bozos, trolls, impostors, snake salesmen, frauds, and wannabes."

.... is not me!

You appear to have inherited the fleas of Dropzone. ???   ;)   Call ORKIN!

Yup, looks like I got pranked. Sluggo just joined the fray. It's like Madame Tussaud's Gallery of DB Cooper Sleuths.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 19, 2015, 08:53:41 PM
Don't they have emails attached to them? can you verify any of therm?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on April 19, 2015, 09:00:03 PM
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No problem......
I might need another night :(  Sorry about that.  The day got away from me and I'm getting ready for a G.O.T. and Mad Men double header.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 19, 2015, 09:02:25 PM
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No problem......
I might need another night :(  Sorry about that.  The day got away from me and I'm getting ready for a G.O.T. and Mad Men double header.


That's fine. it's not like I'm releasing it tomorrow.....some time this week will be fine.....

I'm working on my edit skills. I just figured out split screens.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN6FhWuyosg
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on April 19, 2015, 10:54:38 PM
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Hey Everybody -

Guess what the Easter Bunny brought me for Easter - The DZ!!!

Yup, the whole crew has moved into the Mountain News to continue trash talking, pontificating, and otherwise struttin' about.  Y'all may know about it, since just about everybody is there but Jo, but if not, come on over for a taste of "Reality Hotel."

http://themountainnewswa.net/2015/04/18/db-cooper-cyber-sleuths-adopt-the-mountain-news-as-a-chat-room/

You have only one problem Bruce, fake authors at your blob!

"georger says:   
April 18, 2015 at 1:58 pm   

I don’t want the front desk. Put me in security so I can monitor Blevin’s work. I want the RH clean, and rid of leaches, bozos, trolls, impostors, snake salesmen, frauds, and wannabes."

.... is not me!

You appear to have inherited the fleas of Dropzone. ???   ;)   Call ORKIN!

Yup, looks like I got pranked. Sluggo just joined the fray. It's like Madame Tussaud's Gallery of DB Cooper Sleuths.

Now it's Twisty Butt and Orange.

Hmmmm.  Sounds like it's time for some command decisions at my place.  Sigh.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on April 19, 2015, 11:47:28 PM
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Hey Everybody -

Guess what the Easter Bunny brought me for Easter - The DZ!!!

Yup, the whole crew has moved into the Mountain News to continue trash talking, pontificating, and otherwise struttin' about.  Y'all may know about it, since just about everybody is there but Jo, but if not, come on over for a taste of "Reality Hotel."

http://themountainnewswa.net/2015/04/18/db-cooper-cyber-sleuths-adopt-the-mountain-news-as-a-chat-room/

You have only one problem Bruce, fake authors at your blob!

"georger says:   
April 18, 2015 at 1:58 pm   

I don’t want the front desk. Put me in security so I can monitor Blevin’s work. I want the RH clean, and rid of leaches, bozos, trolls, impostors, snake salesmen, frauds, and wannabes."

.... is not me!

You appear to have inherited the fleas of Dropzone. ???   ;)   Call ORKIN!

Yup, looks like I got pranked. Sluggo just joined the fray. It's like Madame Tussaud's Gallery of DB Cooper Sleuths.

I doubt Blevins has anything to do with this. More like Knoss's style.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 20, 2015, 08:12:40 AM
Great, somebody has been going wild with charges on my business account!!!!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 26, 2015, 02:51:59 AM
Some of you might want to think twice going to the average gas pump....I think that's where they got me. I use my business card a lot for fuel.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_aH50Tn8Fo
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 26, 2015, 01:49:17 PM
Welcome to the forum Braniff...feel free to join in at anytime....

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: braniffelectra on April 26, 2015, 04:51:17 PM
Well, I've got nothing to contribute to DBC at this time, but you do have my sympathies on the credit card fraud.  About 25 years, I had credit card info stolen while traveling, back in the carbon-copy swipe machine days.  A gas station was the only place I'd used that credit card while traveling through that town.

A month later the card number was being used repeatedly to charge around $100 at a time from the same used clothing store.  It wasn't too hard to persuade the CC company and a police detective that I wasn't repeatedly mail-ordering used clothing, but I did get to talk to the detective a couple of times anyway.  In retrospect, I expect the gas station clerk just copied down the info off the receipt and passed it along.  I might have seemed a better target as an out-of-towner with a new car, perhaps less likely to check credit charges.   That was an unsophisticated scam compared with what happens with ATM and credit card skimmers and the like these days.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 26, 2015, 04:55:08 PM
I caught it rather quick. I shut the card down, and the bank credited my account. I'm pretty sure it was a gas pump skimmer.

That's the other problem. trusting these guys behind the counter.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on April 30, 2015, 07:20:59 PM
Well, my 15 minute interview lasted over an hour. they seemed rather surprised of my knowledge with the case? anyway, they are using my video to pitch the show to the networks. they liked my simulator as Bruce, and Tom Kaye pointed out. they seemed to like the way I presented my self. I sound a little better than I write :P

Anyway, they are going to give me a call next week, and if the show is picked up. I will be doing my part from home, no travel involved, and can be done after my work day has ended....

So, it's up to the big boys to run with this idea of presenting a fact filled show about DB Cooper.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 01, 2015, 03:48:36 AM
A Star is Born!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 01, 2015, 06:08:16 AM
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A Star is Born!


Hardly, I'm just a guy who provided some information about a case I've been researching for several years now. I never claim to be anything other than myself.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on May 01, 2015, 09:12:32 AM
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A Star is Born!


Hardly, I'm just a guy who provided some information about a case I've been researching for several years now. I never claim to be anything other than myself.

Shutter

You probably represent the voice of reason concerning this case right now, so I think you're solid choice to represent so many different point of views (or is it "points of view?"). :D 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 01, 2015, 03:17:48 PM
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A Star is Born!


Hardly, I'm just a guy who provided some information about a case I've been researching for several years now. I never claim to be anything other than myself.

Shutter

You probably represent the voice of reason concerning this case right now, so I think you're solid choice to represent so many different point of views (or is it "points of view?"). :D


Thanks, I try to look at everything logically, sometimes I'm right, and sometimes I'm wrong. I think most people, if not all but one believe I'm a fair and reasonable person. perhaps they seen that quality, I don't know. I'm just an ordinary Joe looking into a mysterious case from years ago......I don't put labels on people. I just have a website where people can discuss DB Cooper, or possibly some interest in missing persons. how hard can this really be?

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 01, 2015, 04:08:31 PM
As an "ordinary joe," what do you think of another "ordinary joe" from Cooper World, Mr. Al Di? Or "Idla," as he is known in  some circles.

Just askin'.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 01, 2015, 04:10:54 PM
we went down that road before........
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on May 01, 2015, 09:02:09 PM
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....I don't put labels on people. I just have a website...

Shutter

You may not put labels on people, but I do!  Here we go:

Shutter-"The Den Mother"
Bruce A. Smith-"The Frat Boy"
Georger-"The Brilliant but Angry Satire Guy"
NMIWreck-"The Outsider"
EVickiW-"The Hot Chick"

Anybody else need a label?  Thoughts?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 01, 2015, 09:45:42 PM
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....I don't put labels on people. I just have a website...

Shutter

You may not put labels on people, but I do!  Here we go:

Shutter-"The Den Mother"
Bruce A. Smith-"The Frat Boy"
Georger-"The Brilliant but Angry Satire Guy"
NMIWreck-"The Outsider"
EVickiW-"The Hot Chick"

Anybody else need a label?  Thoughts?

Ok, give me some time on this one. let me see what I can come up with  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 01, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Shutter-"The Den Mother"
Bruce A. Smith-"The Frat Boy"
Georger-"The Brilliant but Angry Satire Guy"
NMIWreck-"The Outsider" -----"Mr. Fathom"
EVickiW-"The Hot Chick"
Mark Bennett- "The Simulator"
Robert99- "The Cruncher"
Parrotheadvol "The Reasonator"
SailShaw- " Work In Progress"
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 02, 2015, 03:28:36 AM
Frat Boy?

Nimi, ya gotta explain!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on May 02, 2015, 02:11:05 PM
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Frat Boy?

Nimi, ya gotta explain!

Your youthful exuberance, your talent for coming up with nicknames for every person you have contact with, your quick wit and sometimes sophomoric humor...how could I not label you "Frat Boy"?  There's nothing derogatory in my labeling, it's done with admiration!   ;D
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 02, 2015, 04:14:29 PM
Hmmmm.  I was just getting attached to Prince Bruce, too.

In my view, frat-ness is associated with superficiality and a lack of substance and gravitas.

Bruce the Enlightened One, though, has a more comprehensive quality.

Other suggestions:

Georger: "Grumpy"
Nimi: His Royal Wetness
Robert 99: 33x3
Shut: Ole Reliable
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 02, 2015, 06:19:13 PM
I chuckled when the movie, "Bruce Almighty" came out. But it never felt personal somehow...

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on May 03, 2015, 01:08:29 AM
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Hmmmm.  I was just getting attached to Prince Bruce, too.

In my view, frat-ness is associated with superficiality and a lack of substance and gravitas.

Bruce the Enlightened One, though, has a more comprehensive quality.

Other suggestions:

Georger: "Grumpy"
Nimi: His Royal Wetness
Robert 99: 33x3
Shut: Ole Reliable

Why dont you dispense with nicknaming and categorizing people and work on some aspect of the case instead?

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 03, 2015, 03:52:36 PM
That's your job, Grumps. Mine is to report, record and entertain. And enlighten, of course.

Yours truly, Bruce, The E.O.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 03, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
I don't see any problem with putting a little humor into things. I added to the comments myself, so you can see I don't have an issue with something like this.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on May 03, 2015, 05:20:02 PM
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I don't see any problem with putting a little humor into things. I added to the comments myself, so you can see I don't have an issue with something like this.

Shutter

Grumps? From the toto moron King Bruce Skith? Hows that for humport! ?

Since yous and Smiths have now taken over the DB Cooper narrative we hope you twos will enlightens usens some dayee .... yepper! Dont wait too long! The Tee Vee Show may be over. Eh Hollywood?



Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 03, 2015, 06:32:16 PM
I posted on your post by mistake.....


What is the problem Georger? I thought this would be something good for this forum, and the Cooper community?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 07, 2015, 05:50:30 PM
I just went into my site builder to work on the new site, and found it gone! I'm waiting on a reply from my server. that was a lot of work.... :'(


Update: The problem was on the server's side....all my data is safe  ;D


http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/Home/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on May 09, 2015, 09:53:20 AM
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I just went into my site builder to work on the new site, and found it gone! I'm waiting on a reply from my server. that was a lot of work.... :'(


Update: The problem was on the server's side....all my data is safe  ;D


http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/Home/
Glad it's still there.   There's nothing worse than losing hours and hours of work...

What do you think of adding a "suspects" section?  Each of the dozen or so major suspects would get their own page with standardized information.  These pages would be a good jumping off point for newcomers to the case. 


Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 09, 2015, 05:00:33 PM
Sounds good!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 09, 2015, 07:34:01 PM
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I just went into my site builder to work on the new site, and found it gone! I'm waiting on a reply from my server. that was a lot of work.... :'(


Update: The problem was on the server's side....all my data is safe  ;D


http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/Home/
Glad it's still there.   There's nothing worse than losing hours and hours of work...

What do you think of adding a "suspects" section?  Each of the dozen or so major suspects would get their own page with standardized information.  These pages would be a good jumping off point for newcomers to the case.


Ok, I'll add it to the menu.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on May 09, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
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I just went into my site builder to work on the new site, and found it gone! I'm waiting on a reply from my server. that was a lot of work.... :'(


Update: The problem was on the server's side....all my data is safe  ;D


http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/Home/
Glad it's still there.   There's nothing worse than losing hours and hours of work...

What do you think of adding a "suspects" section?  Each of the dozen or so major suspects would get their own page with standardized information.  These pages would be a good jumping off point for newcomers to the case.


Ok, I'll add it to the menu.
I'll start gathering information and putting something together this coming week.  We can use physical description, height, weight, etc.  Maybe a paragraph on their back story and why they are suspects?  I'll try to do a little Photoshop magic and put a photo or two of the suspects next to the composite sketches.  Anybody else have suggestions on what info to include?  How about a list?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 09, 2015, 11:31:46 PM
Here are my suggestions:

1. Height
2. Weight
3. Eye Color
4. Hair
5. Build
6. Known parachute expertise
7. Advanced knowledge of 727
8. Criminal background and contacts
9. Involvement in covert activities, either military or criminal
10. Presentation, ie: confession, family suspect, spousal referral, behavioral referral
11. Never seen again/reclusive/missing time in November 1971
12. Missed Thanksgiving Dinner, 1971
13. Known drug and alcohol use?
14. How many marriages/relationships
15. Psychological profile
16. Grudges?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: andrade1812 on May 10, 2015, 03:40:33 AM
Instead of rigid checklists, we should perhaps state why the person is considered a suspect, and what problems exist.

For example:

Sheridan Peterson worked at Boeing (thus explaining Cooper's knowledge of the 727, and the tie particles), jumped out of an airplane wearing a suit, just like Cooper, and he was a man of strong conviction who could easily have been driven to such an act based on those convictions.

However, Peterson has a plausible alibi, his physical description isn't a perfect match, and his DNA does not match any of the samples on the tie.


Simple, easy, clear, and empirical.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on May 10, 2015, 11:56:05 AM
We have at least a dozen suspects.  Should we put them on one webpage in chart form, or give them each a page?  Here's a list of suspects.  Does anybody else need to be added?
Ted Braden
Ken Christiansen
Jack Coffelt
L.D. Cooper
Bobby Dayton
William Gosset
Robert Richard Lepsy
Ted Mayfield 
Richard Floyd McCoy
Sheridan Peterson
Duane Weber
Melvin Wilson
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on May 10, 2015, 02:17:47 PM
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We have at least a dozen suspects.  Should we put them on one webpage in chart form, or give them each a page?  Here's a list of suspects.  Does anybody else need to be added?
Ted Braden
Ken Christiansen
Jack Coffelt
L.D. Cooper
Bobby Dayton
William Gosset
Robert Richard Lepsy
Ted Mayfield 
Richard Floyd McCoy
Sheridan Peterson
Duane Weber
Melvin Wilson

Souldnt this be under     Suspects And Confessions ? Oh well ...
 
Your list is probably paltry and meaningless. This is your set of names. The FBI would produce another list of names you have never heard of. Those are the files Geoff Gray and others were never allowed to see! Those files would reflect the direction(s) the actual investigation took, or did not take, and a shortlist of people the FBI considered primary suspects _ whose names are not on your list or even known (to you). You probably missed the few names which have surfaced over the years that are not on your list but who were actually investigated.
   
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: andrade1812 on May 10, 2015, 05:35:59 PM
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We have at least a dozen suspects.  Should we put them on one webpage in chart form, or give them each a page?  Here's a list of suspects.  Does anybody else need to be added?
Ted Braden
Ken Christiansen
Jack Coffelt
L.D. Cooper
Bobby Dayton
William Gosset
Robert Richard Lepsy
Ted Mayfield 
Richard Floyd McCoy
Sheridan Peterson
Duane Weber
Melvin Wilson

Souldnt this be under     Suspects And Confessions ? Oh well ...
 
Your list is probably paltry and meaningless. This is your set of names. The FBI would produce another list of names you have never heard of. Those are the files Geoff Gray and others were never allowed to see! Those files would reflect the direction(s) the actual investigation took, or did not take, and a shortlist of people the FBI considered primary suspects _ whose names are not on your list or even known (to you). You probably missed the few names which have surfaced over the years that are not on your list but who were actually investigated.
   

I don't necessarily disagree, but the "suspects" page should probably be more than just a plagiarized picture of Ziggy shrugging his shoulders.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 10, 2015, 06:20:16 PM
I agree with Georger. Any list we develop is probably not a current list of actual suspects being investigated. Rather, it is more of a list of people that we talk about, or have to talk about because someone is shoving their suspect in our face.

But we have to start somewhere.

Perhaps, our "list" will help us form another list, one that lists the skills, attitudes and behaviors of Cooper. Or identifies the conflict of perspectives on who and what DB Cooper demonstrated physically and psychologically!

Further, maybe we need a "Chinese Menu" of This and That. "This" is why Cooper is considered a Whuffo. "That" is why Cooper is considered a master criminal with serious skydiving chops.

And a third list of who believes what.

As for suspects, Don Burnworth adamantly believed he was the only suspect who did jail time due to Norjak. So, we ought to put him on the list, too.

Lastly, Shut, I think you need to get your D-9 out and push all this stuff over to the Suspects page before this becomes the Suspects Vault.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 10, 2015, 06:35:13 PM
My understanding of this point is to educate people who might not know some of the known suspects, and again have a place where the info can be accessed, and not run over by future pages on forums such as this one?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 10, 2015, 07:03:09 PM
Fair enough.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on May 10, 2015, 07:26:42 PM
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My understanding of this point is to educate people who might not know some of the known suspects, and again have a place where the info can be accessed, and not run over by future pages on forums such as this one?
I simply wanted to help Shutter out with the new website, which I thought would be a neutral place for people just finding out about the case to come and learn more, so they wouldn't have to peruse this forum and "listen" to the same old douche-bags, who couldn't find their ass with both hands, regurgitate and pontificate the same old minutiae, pretending to be experts in a case they will never be involved in solving.  I thought by posting the list publicly, people could respond and we could improve the list "publicly".  This thread is the place we've been discussing the new website, so that's why I posted information here.

I wanted to help out with some of the writing and content on the new website, because I know how time consuming creating a site can be, and I thought Shutter deserved a hand.  You guys are the most knowledgeable people I know about the case, so I thought your input would be valuable.  I appreciate any feedback that may help us with the goal of making the best website we can.  If you want to cock off and make snide remarks, then please answer a few questions for me.  Like, have you ever solved a major mystery?  Any mystery?  Closed a cold case?  Found a neighborhood pet, etc?  Please tell us about your many accomplishments so we can give you the respect you deserve.

Or, just let me know if you know of any suspects I may have missed, to make Shutter's new website the best it can be.

Thank you
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 10, 2015, 07:52:21 PM
Thanks Ross, yes, this is a lot of work. any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to help future reference points to be made a little easier to access. I already put a lot of information provided by Georger in the Tina Bar section. some of this stuff is not accessible anywhere, so why not make this the starting point of putting things in order?

If anyone wishes to come aboard I'll be more than happy to give full access with helping in the construction of this site. If someone wishes to just toss in an idea like what has been happening above, then by all means post your comment.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on May 11, 2015, 08:20:02 AM
Alright, I'm feeling much less grumpy today.    :-[  We have 13 names on our suspect list:

Don Burnworth
Ted Braden
Ken Christiansen
Jack Coffelt
L.D. Cooper
Bobby Dayton
William Gosset
Robert Richard Lepsy
Ted Mayfield 
Richard Floyd McCoy
Sheridan Peterson
Duane Weber
Melvin Wilson

I'm going to start with a brief paragraph on why each individual is considered a suspect, which will include level of parachute expertise, knowledge of 727 and if they've been seen after the skyjacking event.  And follow up with:

1. Height
2. Weight
3. Eye Color
4. Hair
5. Age at time of skyjacking

Shutter, do you want this info in excel spreadsheet form, the body of an email, or a word type document?




Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 11, 2015, 05:19:29 PM
I think a word doc would be the best bet....thanks for the help by the way!!!!

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 11, 2015, 08:12:45 PM
A worthy start.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 11, 2015, 08:13:59 PM
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A worthy start.

Ross brought up a good idea. perhaps I'll link your Mountain News to the suspects section. you have a pretty good page about them?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 11, 2015, 11:37:27 PM
Yup. It's a tad old and a little dusty, but it covers the basics. Plus, it has pix, and covers the composite sketch issues.

Also, the book covers everyone named on Nimi's list except for Mel and Lepsy. To me, the story on these guys is similar.

For Mel, the question is why the feds tasked with helping family members learn about their loved and lost ones is unable to do its job. Vicki keeps putting their feet to the fire and her people aren't getting sufficient cooperation from the officials one would think should be helping her. Someone should write a book about her struggles with LE bureaucracy.

As for Leps, I still want to know more about the LE search. Who did the looking, what did they find, where did the money go, and what about the babe involved. Tantalizing clues, like keys in the ignition and ciggies on the dashboard? WTF!  Plus the family's been on the hunt for decades - what have they found, what are their suspicions. DId Daddy really run away with a Sweetie-Pie to Mea He Co? What do we know about Leps' love life.

If we know nuttin', then how come? A lot more work needs to be done on this guy, imo. Bottom Line - he doesn't sound like a guy who steals airplanes, but more like a middle-aged, Middle American trying something a little different in life. Did he do drugs? Sell drugs? Want to get into the drug world???

Was he caught up in the 1969 dream of tuning in and dropping out?

BTW: from what I saw on the Jesse Raphael TV show, the wifey doesn't look totally with-it, and the investigation is being run by the daughter. Not a good sign. Reminds me of the Lyle Lovett song, paraphrased: "If I had a boat, I'd go out on the ocean...and if I was Roy Rodgers, I could not bring myself to marry an old Dale."
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Parrotheadvol on May 12, 2015, 12:03:30 AM
Wow Bruce! Great reference to a great song.  I have a new found respect for you. Not that I didn't respect you Before! :D

"The mystery masked man was smart
He got himself a Tonto
'Cause Tonto did the dirty work for free
But Tonto he was smarter
And one day said kemo sabe
Kiss my ass I bought a boat
I'm going out to sea"
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 12, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
...that's no lady, she's my wife...

Lyle has a lot to say about love, life, loss, and honey-buns..

Smile.

Kinda reminds me of my second wife...but if you want to hear the WHOLE story, then you're buying...

I've already paid, if you catch my drift.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 13, 2015, 07:09:45 PM
A new book has hit the market that may be of interest to DB Cooper fans.

Falling Over Reno - The True Story of the Skyjacker's Wife, is the account of Mary Stevenson being Robb Heady's girlfriend - and then wife - as he skyjacked his airplane and then did time in Lompoc prison.

I just started reading it, and I'll give yo a full report when I'm finished.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 13, 2015, 08:37:15 PM
You should of posted this in the book thread?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 13, 2015, 10:51:12 PM
Yup. Will do.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 17, 2015, 12:51:35 AM
I spent a couple more hours on the new website. I added a Boeing page...

http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/12/

I also spent some time in the flight path page...

http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/7/
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 23, 2015, 06:39:37 PM
This post made earlier today about Meyer as already been past over, so I thought I would post it her as well.....


Robert99 contacted me through a PM stating he has spoken with Meyer Louie. they wanted me to post his comment on the forum.

I would like to add a few things before I paste his reply. I have a lot of respect for Meyer, I read a lot of his comments on DZ prior to even speaking with him personally. he has a lot of knowledge, and was always involved with any road trips about Cooper. he joined this forum when it first started, but had some personal issues to take care of which anyone could easily understand. we all have a life outside of good old DB Cooper.

I'm glad you have made a full recovery, and hope you continue to have good health for many years ahead. I hope to meet you one day. I believe you share the same sense of humor I have, making it to be a meeting to remember.

As for the Atlas Media dealings. yes, I've done the Skype thingy twice with them, and will be doing another this Tuesday. it appears they are not leaving any rocks unturned.

I'll be looking forward to seeing your name at the bottom of this forum as an active member soon, but please continue to get better, and we all miss you here.....

Shutter

Message below is from Meyer Louie....."The Man Of the Month"



Robert99 and all my DB Cooper colleagues:

It's taken me a year to reply.  Sorry for the delay.  I missed y'all a lot.  Been busy trying to make living in a new area and get healthy again.  I live in eastern Washington now, the Okanogan valley, north central washington.  I took a math teaching job with Wenatchee Valley College.  It  didn't work out.  So, I am looking to be gainfully employed again -- back to the drawing board. 

Also, a year and a half ago, I had a stroke in my right eye, what's called a retinal vein occlusion.  Lost about 70% of my eye sight, but with treatment, I have gotten 99% of it back.  Lots of annoying floaters to deal with though, but at least I have most of my right eye sight back.  I still sing and oil paint.

Enough about me -- got some new stuff regarding the case.  This morning, I did a skype interview with Mark Dalbis, casting manager for Atlas Media, Burbank, CA.  Mark is trying to develop a quality program about the Cooper case, lots of people are still interested and intrigued, and he wants to talk to several of us who have some knowledge and expertise in the case.  A quality documentary production is in the offing.  I must admit, I wasn't as sharp as I would have liked, I was rusty on names, dates, and facts -- I've been away too long.  I did my best though -- I told Mark I believe my strength is more in the relationships and friendships I have kindled with all you -- my DB Cooper friends and colleagues.  I have made a serious attempt to get to know and interact with as many of you as I have been able.  It's been good, it's been rich -- the DZ forum, the WA state history museum DB Cooper exhibit, the 2011 symposium, several field trips to Tina Bar and Amboy with Bruce and Robert99, marathon phone conversations with Jo -- and on and on.  Mark appears to be a straight up guy.  He told me he would be willing to talk to Jo, Georger, Shutter, Safecrack, and Brian Ingram -- if you would like.  You may get your 15 minutes of fame.  When he edits down the interviews, there's a better than not chance you will be appearing on the program -- which Mark is hoping the History Channel or Dateline or whoever will pick up the production and broadcast it.  Mark stressed he wanted the production to be correct, quality information. 

Has anyone else done an interview with Mark Dalbis?

So good to be back.  I missed you!

Meyer
Title: Hello from Meyer Louie
Post by: MeyerLouie on May 24, 2015, 03:05:17 AM
I hope you read my reply that got forwarded by Robert99 and then Shutter.  Good to be back. 

I guess I'm getting a strong urge to go on a field trip to Cooper country again -- Tina Bar, Washougal, Amboy, Ariel -- anywhere the Cooper Vortex wants me to go.  Is there something that's been discovered or uncovered in my absence that needs a  follow-up field trip?  I was particularly interested in the big photo picture in Fazio's office, it showed how the beachfront just upstream from Tina Bar looked -- back in the day.  Jo thought that might be something to check out.  Robert99 and I took metal detectors and combed pretty every square foot of the Tina Bar beach around the money-find (recall we were able to pinpoint the money-find location with Robert99's GPS).  I know Galen has spent lots of time at Tina Bar. 

Did Jerry Thomas ever get that search party organized?  I've been away, I need to get caught up on things....

Meyer
Title: Re: Hello from Meyer Louie
Post by: Shutter on May 24, 2015, 08:03:49 AM
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I hope you read my reply that got forwarded by Robert99 and then Shutter.  Good to be back. 

I guess I'm getting a strong urge to go on a field trip to Cooper country again -- Tina Bar, Washougal, Amboy, Ariel -- anywhere the Cooper Vortex wants me to go.  Is there something that's been discovered or uncovered in my absence that needs a  follow-up field trip?  I was particularly interested in the big photo picture in Fazio's office, it showed how the beachfront just upstream from Tina Bar looked -- back in the day.  Jo thought that might be something to check out.  Robert99 and I took metal detectors and combed pretty every square foot of the Tina Bar beach around the money-find (recall we were able to pinpoint the money-find location with Robert99's GPS).  I know Galen has spent lots of time at Tina Bar. 

Did Jerry Thomas ever get that search party organized?  I've been away, I need to get caught up on things....

Meyer



Welcome back Meyer, good to hear from you again. I don't think Jerry has done anything search wise in a while. he had some health issue's as well. I spoke with him several times on the phone about a month ago. he said he was going to get back into it again.

Dropzone finally faded into the sunset thanks to mainly Robert Blevins with his constant whining about everything possible!

Jo is still continuing her forward march trying to prove Duane was Cooper.

We have some new members that you will enjoy posting with, one has brought a new suspect by the name of Dick Lepsy. a thread has been made that you can look over to bring you up to speed about him.

That should help shed some light on a few things going on.

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 24, 2015, 04:22:57 PM
I spent some more time on the website. I beefed up the sage, and McChord pages....


http://builder.infinitysrv.com/data/t/h/thedbcooperforum.com/out/Boeing-727/


Also added a second page to the flight path data....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 25, 2015, 01:46:09 AM
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Memorial Day has come to mean the beginning of summer, a time for picnics and barbecues, and a holiday to gather around the family. That happiness and freedom, however, is a product of the real cause for the holiday: the sacrifice made by men and women who have fought and died for the freedoms and liberties Americans hold dear. Memorial Day is a time to remember that the American way of life is not cheap but rather has been purchased by the lives and blood of so many who have sacrificed for us to live free and happily now.


A Mother's Tear
There's more to the story,
than what just appears.
A war written story,
from blood and from tears....


On this Memorial Day, we honor the sacrifices of prior generations. We honor the sacrifices of the men and women next door who have served or continue to serve our country. And we pledge never to forget the true meaning of Memorial Day.






Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on May 26, 2015, 12:25:27 AM
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Memorial Day has come to mean the beginning of summer, a time for picnics and barbecues, and a holiday to gather around the family. That happiness and freedom, however, is a product of the real cause for the holiday: the sacrifice made by men and women who have fought and died for the freedoms and liberties Americans hold dear. Memorial Day is a time to remember that the American way of life is not cheap but rather has been purchased by the lives and blood of so many who have sacrificed for us to live free and happily now.


A Mother's Tear
There's more to the story,
than what just appears.
A war written story,
from blood and from tears....


On this Memorial Day, we honor the sacrifices of prior generations. We honor the sacrifices of the men and women next door who have served or continue to serve our country. And we pledge never to forget the true meaning of Memorial Day.

+1.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 26, 2015, 06:55:11 PM
Memorial Day was always the toughest day for me to report as a journalist - everyone expects a piece honoring the military, especially those who have died.

But I've always felt that the toughest fight of life is the one to resist the social pressures to go along with the prevailing mores. Perhaps my greatest battle has been to forgive my father for wanting me to go to Vietnam and risk death so that his friends wouldn't ostracize him. Risking a dead son was better than risk the death of his social standing.

Now, that's a slog, and that's just family. How about going up against corporate pressures to expand their business interests worldwide?  Whew.

I wonder how Robb feels on Memorial Day?  Hmmm. I'll have to ask him.
How about Karen McCoy? Pauline Braden?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on May 27, 2015, 11:35:13 PM
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Memorial Day was always the toughest day for me to report as a journalist - everyone expects a piece honoring the military, especially those who have died.

But I've always felt that the toughest fight of life is the one to resist the social pressures to go along with the prevailing mores. Perhaps my greatest battle has been to forgive my father for wanting me to go to Vietnam and risk death so that his friends wouldn't ostracize him. Risking a dead son was better than risk the death of his social standing.

Now, that's a slog, and that's just family. How about going up against corporate pressures to expand their business interests worldwide?  Whew.

I wonder how Robb feels on Memorial Day?  Hmmm. I'll have to ask him.
How about Karen McCoy? Pauline Braden?

Dont send any more of your crazy crap to my personal email.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 28, 2015, 12:51:03 AM
You made me chuckle, Georger, but I won't send you any more pix.

If anyone is wondering what I sent Georger, I'd be happy to send you the same "crazy crap." They're pix made by Shut about the future of DB Cooper and the FBI.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 28, 2015, 10:58:36 AM
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You made me chuckle, Georger, but I won't send you any more pix.

If anyone is wondering what I sent Georger, I'd be happy to send you the same "crazy crap." They're pix made by Shut about the future of DB Cooper and the FBI.


I don't follow how my pics tell the future of Cooper, or the FBI? I made the pics for your book. here is one of them....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 28, 2015, 05:34:37 PM
Well, yes, and I was only referring to DB Cooper and the FBI, the book. I should have italicized the title to avoid confusion.

Shut, if you want, feel free to post some of the other pix. I think they're cool, and made most people chuckle. Georger, of course, is well, still grumpy.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 28, 2015, 06:20:47 PM
Some of you might notice MAD502 as a member here. he's from Atlas Media. anyway, for some reason that I can't figure out he can't send any PM's....I made him an Administrator for the only purpose to by pass anything that could be blocking him as a regular member.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 28, 2015, 06:22:33 PM
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Well, yes, and I was only referring to DB Cooper and the FBI, the book. I should have italicized the title to avoid confusion.

Shut, if you want, feel free to post some of the other pix. I think they're cool, and made most people chuckle. Georger, of course, is well, still grumpy.

I'll post them when I get a chance. I'm being pulled from different directions in the last couple weeks needing to be in two places at one time. anyway, things are slowing down now, and I'll be back to normal, if that's possible  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on May 29, 2015, 10:41:19 PM
anybody home?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on May 29, 2015, 11:21:28 PM
I'm here.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 11, 2015, 01:42:53 PM
A member notified me of Robert Blevins closing his site to the public (again). I took a look this morning, and it appears he is going to hold his forum hostage until I met his demands?

Mr. Blevins once again doesn't seem to have a clue why he is banned from here. he was knowingly aware he wasn't welcome here prior to the forums start. I mentioned this on Bruce's blog. days into the start of this forum Mr. Blevins joined under a false name with no other intentions but to incite trouble. he claims it was because people were talking about him, but Galen didn't start up until Robert made his presence known. I perma-banned him. that's my decision, and not based on what Dropzone.com does, or anyone else. it will not be lifted under any circumstances, or demands!

He also banned Georger from viewing his site. he's not even a member of that forum. that's pure censorship 101 clear as day! his two main members (one is a Moderator) spoke out in disapproval of his actions. it's 100% obvious he can't survive without causing disruption. it's sad really. I ended up in battle with him on Pauls video on You Tube. he seen my comment, and the battle began. he's basically stalking my every move.

Holding a forum hostage because he did something wrong years back shows how much of a person he really is. this is nobody's fault except the work of one Robert M Blevins. I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DICTATE ME! he will never be welcome on this forum. he banged the drum about censorship for a year with me, and now he turns around and does the very same drum beat he hated so much? I'm stating to believe he has two personalities. he's vindictive, hateful, manipulative, angry, hostile, instigative, and arrogant, all rolled into one person.

To repeat, Robert M Blevins will NEVER be welcome on this forum. he fails to see what he has said, and done in the past. I refuse to deal with anyone putting such demands on a public forum, or not so public in his case. Robert is responsible for his actions, not the other way around.

Shutter




Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Robert99 on June 11, 2015, 01:54:09 PM
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A member notified me of Robert Blevins closing his site to the public (again). I took a look this morning, and it appears he is going to hold his forum hostage until I met his demands?

Mr. Blevins once again doesn't seem to have a clue why he is banned from here. he was knowingly aware he wasn't welcome here prior to the forums start. I mentioned this on Bruce's blog. days into the start of this forum Mr. Blevins joined under a false name with no other intentions but to incite trouble. he claims it was because people were talking about him, but Galen didn't start up until Robert made his presence known. I perma-banned him. that's my decision, and not based on what Dropzone.com does, or anyone else. it will not be lifted under any circumstances, or demands!

He also banned Georger from viewing his site. he's not even a member of that forum. that's pure censorship 101 clear as day! his two main members (one is a Moderator) spoke out in disapproval of his actions. it's 100% obvious he can't survive without causing disruption. it's sad really. I ended up in battle with him on Pauls video on You Tube. he seen my comment, and the battle began. he's basically stalking my every move.

Holding a forum hostage because he did something wrong years back shows how much of a person he really is. this is nobody's fault except the work of one Robert M Blevins. I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DICTATE ME! he will never be welcome on this forum. he banged the drum about censorship for a year with me, and now he turns around and does the very same drum beat he hated so much? I'm stating to believe he has two personalities. he's vindictive, hateful, manipulative, angry, hostile, instigative, and arrogant, all rolled into on person.

To repeat, Robert M Blevins will NEVER be welcome on this forum. he fails to see what he has said, and done in the past. I refuse to deal with anyone putting such demands on a public forum, or not so public in his case. Robert is responsible for his actions, not the other way around.

Shutter

Amen.

Neither I nor probably most of the posters here have even seen Blevins site, or know how to find it, and have no interest in doing so.  So I hope that no one posts any links to it either here or elsewhere.

If anyone is curious as to how this situation came about, all you have to do is check a few pages of the now locked DZ Cooper thread. 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 11, 2015, 02:12:11 PM
It's all so old listening to him lie about everything he says. he flip flops through everything he says, and does. one point Georger is welcome, and then out of nowhere he's banned? then he thinks we should work together, only to turn around a close his site down with demands to be met by me?

He has to work harder than he thinks to make his forum work. closing it to the public at random certainly won't help. his personality is really coming out now.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on June 11, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
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To repeat, Robert M Blevins will NEVER be welcome on this forum. he fails to see what he has said, and done in the past. I refuse to deal with anyone putting such demands on a public forum, or not so public in his case. Robert is responsible for his actions, not the other way around.

Shutter
I think you are making the right call, Shutter.  We may disagree on many things on this site, but it's always a gentlemen's disagreement.   
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 11, 2015, 02:31:10 PM
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To repeat, Robert M Blevins will NEVER be welcome on this forum. he fails to see what he has said, and done in the past. I refuse to deal with anyone putting such demands on a public forum, or not so public in his case. Robert is responsible for his actions, not the other way around.

Shutter
I think you are making the right call, Shutter.  We may disagree on many things on this site, but it's always a gentlemen's disagreement.


Thanks Nmi, it's nothing personal with Robert. I would of done the same to anyone else acting out as he has. I honestly don't believe he can survive without lashing out. I think the silence of his name drove him up a wall, and the blocking of his IP's.

It's amazing how personal it gets. imagine being on a Hoffa thread, must be a contract killing sent out everyday  :D :D :D :D

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on June 11, 2015, 04:07:25 PM
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To repeat, Robert M Blevins will NEVER be welcome on this forum. he fails to see what he has said, and done in the past. I refuse to deal with anyone putting such demands on a public forum, or not so public in his case. Robert is responsible for his actions, not the other way around.

Shutter
I think you are making the right call, Shutter.  We may disagree on many things on this site, but it's always a gentlemen's disagreement.


Thanks Nmi, it's nothing personal with Robert. I would of done the same to anyone else acting out as he has. I honestly don't believe he can survive without lashing out. I think the silence of his name drove him up a wall, and the blocking of his IP's.

It's amazing how personal it gets. imagine being on a Hoffa thread, must be a contract killing sent out everyday  :D :D :D :D

It's psycho's at work - psychopathology pure and simple!

Members of his group have now charged him with conducting a "personal vendetta" against me!

Why do you guys pay any attention to that psycho? Nothing he says has anything to do with reality! He was blocked here for good reasons and that's the end of it. If he wants to block me or others at his idiotic website - WHO CARES! I COULD CARE LESS!

You guys only feed that troll. Pay more attention to here than there ? You are whipping a dead dog.

 :( 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 11, 2015, 04:10:04 PM
Georger, I agree to a certain extent. sometimes things have to be mentioned. it will pass, like gas  :o and he will be in the shadows once again....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on June 11, 2015, 05:37:36 PM
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To repeat, Robert M Blevins will NEVER be welcome on this forum. he fails to see what he has said, and done in the past. I refuse to deal with anyone putting such demands on a public forum, or not so public in his case. Robert is responsible for his actions, not the other way around.

Shutter
I think you are making the right call, Shutter.  We may disagree on many things on this site, but it's always a gentlemen's disagreement.


Thanks Nmi, it's nothing personal with Robert. I would of done the same to anyone else acting out as he has. I honestly don't believe he can survive without lashing out. I think the silence of his name drove him up a wall, and the blocking of his IP's.

It's amazing how personal it gets. imagine being on a Hoffa thread, must be a contract killing sent out everyday  :D :D :D :D

It's psycho's at work - psychopathology pure and simple!

Members of his group have now charged him with conducting a "personal vendetta" against me!

Why do you guys pay any attention to that psycho? Nothing he says has anything to do with reality! He was blocked here for good reasons and that's the end of it. If he wants to block me or others at his idiotic website - WHO CARES! I COULD CARE LESS!

I find myself agreeing with georger more and more.  Wait...what's going on here!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: MarkBennett on June 11, 2015, 06:07:37 PM
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To repeat, Robert M Blevins will NEVER be welcome on this forum. he fails to see what he has said, and done in the past. I refuse to deal with anyone putting such demands on a public forum, or not so public in his case. Robert is responsible for his actions, not the other way around.

Shutter
I think you are making the right call, Shutter.  We may disagree on many things on this site, but it's always a gentlemen's disagreement.


Thanks Nmi, it's nothing personal with Robert. I would of done the same to anyone else acting out as he has. I honestly don't believe he can survive without lashing out. I think the silence of his name drove him up a wall, and the blocking of his IP's.

It's amazing how personal it gets. imagine being on a Hoffa thread, must be a contract killing sent out everyday  :D :D :D :D

It's psycho's at work - psychopathology pure and simple!

Members of his group have now charged him with conducting a "personal vendetta" against me!

Why do you guys pay any attention to that psycho? Nothing he says has anything to do with reality! He was blocked here for good reasons and that's the end of it. If he wants to block me or others at his idiotic website - WHO CARES! I COULD CARE LESS!

You guys only feed that troll. Pay more attention to here than there ? You are whipping a dead dog.

 :(

Agreed.  This is exactly what he wants.  He didn't block non-members from his site because we were talking about him.  He blocked non-members from his site because we WEREN'T talking about him.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 11, 2015, 06:12:31 PM
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I find myself agreeing with georger more and more.  Wait...what's going on here!

As I mentioned above. I felt this subject needed addressing. I ended up having two people tell me about the closing of the site. it was open when I went to view it. once I read what was going on I decided to make a post about it. it's not intended to distract from anything.

I also agreed with Georger, but to a certain extent. trying to hold a forum hostage with my name included in this should be addressed IMHO.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on June 11, 2015, 11:45:22 PM
I think we should be able to talk about ALL things.  Just not ALL the time.

That's pretty Zen, isn't it!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 14, 2015, 06:55:49 PM
Things have slowed down to almost nothing lately? anyway, in case someone was here, I took the site down twice by mistake while working on the new website. I've been rather busy on this side talking with people, work related issues. I'm also building a new website for one of the companies I work for.

Here is what I've done with the website to date. I realize a lot of things need corrected (grammar) but, you should get a good picture of what I'm trying to present for this forum. several new pages have been added (incomplete) but functional. this is a lot of work to put together, so I'm slowly getting there....

Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on June 14, 2015, 10:25:37 PM
Looking Good!
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 14, 2015, 10:40:42 PM
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Looking Good!


Thanks, also lookout for any "factual errors" I might put on the site. accuracy is key....
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on June 14, 2015, 11:34:15 PM
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Looking Good!


Thanks, also lookout for any "factual errors" I might put on the site. accuracy is key....

Is Mr. Bruce Smith now in charge of our Cooper lives here!?

 :-[   

Or you and Smith in some kind of 'whatever it is' ?

 :( ???
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 14, 2015, 11:40:02 PM
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Looking Good!


Thanks, also lookout for any "factual errors" I might put on the site. accuracy is key....

Is Mr. Bruce Smith now in charge of our Cooper lives here!?

 :-[   

Or you and Smith in some kind of 'whatever it is' ?

 :( ???


Not that I'm aware of. after "Thanks" the rest of the comment goes out to all.....


"Or you and Smith in some kind of 'whatever it is' ?"
Why the accusations?
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on June 15, 2015, 11:46:56 PM
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Looking Good!


Thanks, also lookout for any "factual errors" I might put on the site. accuracy is key....

Is Mr. Bruce Smith now in charge of our Cooper lives here!?

 :-[   

Or you and Smith in some kind of 'whatever it is' ?

 :( ???


Not that I'm aware of. after "Thanks" the rest of the comment goes out to all.....


"Or you and Smith in some kind of 'whatever it is' ?"
Why the accusations?

'whatever it is' - like writing a book on the Cooper case or something ? Both appearing on some tv documentary?
Bruce sold you on Remote Viewing?    ....................    like that whatever it is ?   

If Bruce runs into Houdini while remote viewing Cooper, be sure and tell us?

Otherwise Im just sitting here waiting for signals from space .... none yet to report.


 
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: Shutter on June 16, 2015, 01:02:13 AM
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'whatever it is' - like writing a book on the Cooper case or something ? Both appearing on some tv documentary?
Bruce sold you on Remote Viewing?    ....................    like that whatever it is ?   

If Bruce runs into Houdini while remote viewing Cooper, be sure and tell us?


1) Both appearing on a documentary.....you seem to be assuming things.
2) Remote viewing. don't know much about it, and I've never spoken to Bruce about it.

Now, I haven't spoken with Atlas in a while now. I haven't a clue where this show stands, or if it's getting off the ground. I am waiting to hear from them. I don't insert myself as being a "Cooper Expert". I never have, nor will I in the future. they seem to like me for who I am vs what I know IMHO. I consider myself more advanced than others, and not so advanced to some.

I have a Cooper forum, and a simulator they seem to be attracted too. I shouldn't have to explain my position on something that could bring something positive to this community. some have decided to not get involved, that's fine, but don't criticize me for something I can't control. they asked for help, and I decided to step up and lend a hand.

I've spent endless hours on this forum working on it, upgrading it, making things easier for people. probably more than I should have. lately it seems I've become a target for some reason.

Bruce...I haven't spoke with Bruce on, or off this forum about anything that you haven't seen. I did a Skype with Bruce weeks ago.

I believe I have explained enough, unless you have more to dump on me?

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: georger on June 16, 2015, 04:13:12 AM
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'whatever it is' - like writing a book on the Cooper case or something ? Both appearing on some tv documentary?
Bruce sold you on Remote Viewing?    ....................    like that whatever it is ?   

If Bruce runs into Houdini while remote viewing Cooper, be sure and tell us?


1) Both appearing on a documentary.....you seem to be assuming things.
2) Remote viewing. don't know much about it, and I've never spoken to Bruce about it.

Now, I haven't spoken with Atlas in a while now. I haven't a clue where this show stands, or if it's getting off the ground. I am waiting to hear from them. I don't insert myself as being a "Cooper Expert". I never have, nor will I in the future. they seem to like me for who I am vs what I know IMHO. I consider myself more advanced than others, and not so advanced to some.

I have a Cooper forum, and a simulator they seem to be attracted too. I shouldn't have to explain my position on something that could bring something positive to this community. some have decided to not get involved, that's fine, but don't criticize me for something I can't control. they asked for help, and I decided to step up and lend a hand.

I've spent endless hours on this forum working on it, upgrading it, making things easier for people. probably more than I should have. lately it seems I've become a target for some reason.

Bruce...I haven't spoke with Bruce on, or off this forum about anything that you haven't seen. I did a Skype with Bruce weeks ago.

I believe I have explained enough, unless you have more to dump on me?

Shutter

Thanks for the update.

Sorry I interfered!

Do I dare ask: any progress on the simulator? Any new results? Is it confirming or denying anything? It's been a long time since you mentioned it or updated us?





 

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on June 22, 2015, 10:39:37 PM
The post was made by Bruce on another thread. it's been moved to this thread....the TV Guys made there thread. we need to respect that. they are only interested in people commenting to them. I think we should leave other media avenues off of TV guys thread...



Media Update

Another media company has joined the fray - LMNO. I spoke with a Ted Skillman today, who said that his outfit is in production on a "four-hour retrospective on Norjak." He is making the rounds gathering information, perspectives, etc. He said that his eyes are already glazing over regarding the parachute controversy; heh, heh.  Welcome to Cooper World, Teddy!

I also got an email from Andrew Jacobs, the original TV Guy at Atlas Media, who wrote that Jo has been busting his chops!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on June 28, 2015, 05:32:04 PM
Here's a little humor  :D :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtulDu_lO_0
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on June 29, 2015, 10:45:37 PM
Should we continue?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on June 29, 2015, 11:01:15 PM
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Should we continue?
I thought it was pretty good  :) 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on June 29, 2015, 11:24:07 PM
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Should we continue?
I thought it was pretty good  :)

+1  8)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on June 29, 2015, 11:55:16 PM
I guess we all get busy at times. I'm working on another business at the moment. I'm looking into using a drone for taking aerial photo's of jobsites. these guys pay a lot of money to photographers, and renting a helicopter. I'm working with one of the main contractor's I work for. we have all the connections, and friendship with tons of large and small companies.

The Yuneec Q500+ Typhoon Quadcopter is simply amazing. GPS on board. it will follow you, land by itself etc. it has a camera on the receiver so you can see what the copter see's. the camera records in 1080 HD. this unit runs about $1200.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJbtSjYrMs0
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on June 30, 2015, 12:15:13 AM
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Should we continue?
I thought it was pretty good  :)

+1  8)

It was good.  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on June 30, 2015, 12:38:35 AM
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I guess we all get busy at times. I'm working on another business at the moment. I'm looking into using a drone for taking aerial photo's of jobsites. these guys pay a lot of money to photographers, and renting a helicopter. I'm working with one of the main contractor's I work for. we have all the connections, and friendship with tons of large and small companies.

The Yuneec Q500+ Typhoon Quadcopter is simply amazing. GPS on board. it will follow you, land by itself etc. it has a camera on the receiver so you can see what the copter see's. the camera records in 1080 HD. this unit runs about $1200.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJbtSjYrMs0

Shutter, I think you are tapping into a new and very fast growing field.  If you are going to be operating in relatively close proximity to people, I would suggest that you consider a drone that uses ducted propellers because of the safety factor.  Otherwise, some people might just walk into those propellers.  I have seen people walk into airplane propellers and the end result was not pleasant.

And you might make inquiries of your local bureaucrats about the rules and regulations involving drones.  They probably don't have any rules specific to drones.  So if they get irritated with you, they might try to use rules that have nothing to do with drones.  I think that the FAA does have some general rules that apply to drones.

The drone in the video was apparently quiet and didn't seem to bother the birds at all.  I presume that drone was electrically powered from batteries.

And the views from the drone were excellent and much more informative than anything that could be done at ground level.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on June 30, 2015, 01:17:21 AM
Yes, you have valid points, and I've already looked into them. the FAA had already ruled out Commercial use of drones, but have since turned this rule over. I'm looking into mainly doing large jobs after construction hours, which usually is after 3:00 - 3:30.

Apparently these drones have already caused accidents with low flying aircraft. a majority of projects will call for flight levels under 100 feet well below any aviation traffic. If I'm on a jobsite during work hours the project manager will be notified when I arrive. I will tell him that I need a perimeter set up for safety. the drone will go straight up, and not be flying low enough to put anyone in danger of the drone itself. I don't have to fly up close to the project. it will be set back for wide angle views.

The drone is electric. it will fly up to 30 minutes I believe. it will also hold it's position in wind. it alerts when the battery is low, and if it can't get back in time it will land on it's own vs dropping out of the sky. in the GPS mode it will not move until you make a move. you can set the transmitter down and watch it hover. if you get far enough away not felling comfortable about the distance, you flip a switch, and it will return and land. this model is the Yuneec Q500+ Typhoon.

This one in the video is the older model.the new one is the 500+


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9vflupTcDg

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on June 30, 2015, 08:32:18 AM
Pretty amazing.  I can't believe the technology you can get for $1200.  We have a Syma X5C drone with a video camera and lights.  I picked it up for $60 on Amazon.  It's a toy with less than 5 minutes fly time, no gps, no auto-return, weak camera, but it is a blast!  Keep us posted.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on June 30, 2015, 08:49:27 AM
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Pretty amazing.  I can't believe the technology you can get for $1200.  We have a Syma X5C drone with a video camera and lights.  I picked it up for $60 on Amazon.  It's a toy with less than 5 minutes fly time, no gps, no auto-return, weak camera, but it is a blast!  Keep us posted.


They are fun! I started out with a E-Flight helicopter years ago. then moved up to the single blade copter. this unit seems to be the best bang for the buck, and for "newbies". they have a professional model, the Yuneec H920 Tornado. this puppy will set you back $4700. I'm not even going to attempt thinking about that one as of yet.

This guy went up to 1450 feet with the Q500. the airspace was cleared....my average altitude will be under 100 feet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56PQ3RbNw2w

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on June 30, 2015, 11:45:26 PM
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Pretty amazing.  I can't believe the technology you can get for $1200.  We have a Syma X5C drone with a video camera and lights.  I picked it up for $60 on Amazon.  It's a toy with less than 5 minutes fly time, no gps, no auto-return, weak camera, but it is a blast!  Keep us posted.

Did they us drones to search for the escaped prisoners? CNN said nothing about this and didn;t ask - 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on July 01, 2015, 12:50:17 AM
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Pretty amazing.  I can't believe the technology you can get for $1200.  We have a Syma X5C drone with a video camera and lights.  I picked it up for $60 on Amazon.  It's a toy with less than 5 minutes fly time, no gps, no auto-return, weak camera, but it is a blast!  Keep us posted.

Did they us drones to search for the escaped prisoners? CNN said nothing about this and didn;t ask -

Drones may, or may not, have been used in that recent search.  However, helicopters with specific capabilities, such as infrared technology, have long been used by local and state law enforcement agencies.  A number of them were reportedly used in this search.  And there were some recent media claims that the FBI has a fleet of general aviation type aircraft that have some enhanced surveillance capabilities and that they fly high enough so that they are not generally noticed by the objects of the surveillance.

The extremely dense woods and heavy rains worked against technology in the recent matter.   
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 01, 2015, 09:55:09 AM
In order to become legitimate with a business that uses drones you have to go through the FAA. at this moment it's illegal to use drones for commercial use. they are actually going after people posting video's on You Tube showing drones. they claim money is being made by showing these video's falling into commercial use.

Drones are being used in Real Estate, and they have already shut some down. what is confusing is what height is really considered FAA regulated airspace? if you fly 40 feet up in the air to take video of a house how can the FAA stop you, or 5 feet off the ground?

Others jumping on board are law enforcement, fire departments, City inspections, engineering companies. Amazon is trying to start a delivery system. I don't see this happening in the near future. this would open the door to dozens of companies flying unattended flight paths all over the place. that's a little different from others flying in the general area with line of sight.

 As of March 23, 2015, the FAA will automatically grant a "blanket" COA for flights at or below 200 feet to any UAS operator with a Section 333 exemption, provided the aircraft weighs less than 55 pounds, but getting the exemption seems to be the problem. hundreds have filed but only a handful have been granted. it's turned into a cluster F**k of red tape, and grey area's.

At one point they were requiring a pilots licence. that's a little extreme. which would they require, helicopter, or fixed wing, Cessna, or Commercial airlines? would four electric motors fall under multi-engine aircraft?


Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 02, 2015, 10:39:24 AM
Ok, after a lot of research I have figured out what needs to be done to fly a drone commercially. a 333 exemption must be filed and approved by the FAA, no exceptions. this process takes up to 120 for approval/denial. then you must register the drone with a N-number. N467US is currently "Deregestered"

They have a rather lengthy list of guidelines to follow once approved. here are a few guidelines.

1) Stay below 200 feet.
2) Stay 5 nautical miles from airports.
3) Stay in line of sight.


I received a response from one of our largest contractors (Stiles) they are interested, but warned of the FAA regulations. I'm currently working on the exemption.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 02, 2015, 11:38:27 AM
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Ok, after a lot of research I have figured out what needs to be done to fly a drone commercially. a 333 exemption must be filed and approved by the FAA, no exceptions. this process takes up to 120 for approval/denial. then you must register the drone with a N-number. N467US is currently "Deregestered"

They have a rather lengthy list of guidelines to follow once approved. here are a few guidelines.

1) Stay below 200 feet.
2) Stay 5 nautical miles from airports.
3) Stay in line of sight.


I received a response from one of our largest contractors (Stiles) they are interested, but warned of the FAA regulations. I'm currently working on the exemption.

I can see it now:

The Dronezone Cooper Wars!

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 02, 2015, 03:24:55 PM
If I ever make it to Washington. you can bet the drone will be with me  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 05, 2015, 08:04:41 PM
This is not good.....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 06, 2015, 12:54:02 AM
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This is not good.....

Ich dont know what to say - just waiting like everyone else for the next shoe to drop. Meanwhile lots of problems to address in the normal life routine these days. Im basically tied up until about Jul 18th, pending the latest serious glitch in the New Horizons probe software. I cant give you anything new on Cooper, but I can give you this -

Things were looking very promising with several data transmissions on Jul 3rd and the first real surface images of Pluto (and Charon) ever! No orbiting or ground based telescope can begin to compete with what was received - which is the understatement of decades! See attached. A complete orbital loop was recorded for Charon then a gif posted for the public to see, by the New Horisons Team (NASA). Then at about 11:30AM on July 4th transmissions went dead. By about 2:00PM it became clear NH had shut it's primary computer down and was sending a default message advising the primary computer was now in a SAFE mode ... and all science had stopped! NH failed to acknowledge several transmissions sent by NASA!

Meanwhile time is racing away with NH set to conduct the bulk of its science programs and rendezvous with Pluto on July 14th, in a situation where one way communication with NH requires about 4.5 hours. ( 9 hours both ways).

The current hope is NH will be back operating on its primary computer by July 7th, at which time science programs could resume.

We will see what happens...

BTW you will not these photos on the web except in a few places ... so enjoy! These six frames showing the surface of Pluto represent one orbital cycle of Charon.  See: for updates see Google and http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 06, 2015, 09:54:02 AM
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Things were looking very promising with several data transmissions on Jul 3rd and the first real surface images of Pluto (and Charon) ever! No orbiting or ground based telescope can begin to compete with what was received - which is the understatement of decades! See attached. A complete orbital loop was recorded for Charon then a gif posted for the public to see, by the New Horisons Team (NASA). Then at about 11:30AM on July 4th transmissions went dead. By about 2:00PM it became clear NH had shut it's primary computer down and was sending a default message advising the primary computer was now in a SAFE mode ... and all science had stopped! NH failed to acknowledge several transmissions sent by NASA!

Very cool info, georger.  I hope you guys get that thing up and running and we get more amazing images. 

I am in the same boat, also.  I've been hitting the water hard and have been crazy busy these last couple months, so I've been posting little.  Attached is an image taken a few days ago by friends who stayed with us for 10 days, diving and photographing shipwrecks.  The photographer is Cal Kothrade and the "model" is Steve Wimer, both good friends form Milwaukee.  The shipwreck is the "Westmoreland", which foundered in 1854 and was discovered in 2010.  Enjoy!   :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 06, 2015, 04:38:53 PM
I'm not worried. We're in a lull.  It happens.

Also, I sense that the four-hour History Channel docu will generate a lot of interest, especially in looking at the actions of the FBI, particularly the lost evidence and messy record-keeping. I told the documentarians, LMNO, that I hope they push the Bureau to answer these questions, and also allow Larry Carr to talk freely. I told LMNO that if they didn't, I would write about it, and that dynamic would get entered into the Cooper legacy. I think they understand the importance of their role to dig into the issues more deeply and not skate on the surface of governmental spin.

The Norjak case and what we do here - even if some days we don't do much - is also giving substance to the dynamic that the nature of law enforcement and investigation is changing. LE has to accept that folks like us can and will dig into cases and conduct meaningful investigations. The question is what will LE's response to us be. Larry Carr was a visionary and I'm sure others will follow. Yes, there will be many important issues to resolve, such as how to determine who gets to sit on a Citizen Sleuth committee or who gets to see evidence, but I think over time these bumps in the road will be smoothed.

In fact, I recommended to LMNO that they consider doing an docu on how the Internet is changing the nature of police investigation.

I also encouraged LMNO to look at remote viewing and other revolutionary changes to the forensic sciences. They understand the potentials, and in turn encouraged me to keep writing on the New Physics - The Science of Consciousness. The gal from LMNO that I Skyped with last week said that she thought this was a more interesting topic than DB Cooper!

I, of course, think both are important, and now I see them becoming more intertwined.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 06, 2015, 04:56:52 PM
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Things were looking very promising with several data transmissions on Jul 3rd and the first real surface images of Pluto (and Charon) ever! No orbiting or ground based telescope can begin to compete with what was received - which is the understatement of decades! See attached. A complete orbital loop was recorded for Charon then a gif posted for the public to see, by the New Horisons Team (NASA). Then at about 11:30AM on July 4th transmissions went dead. By about 2:00PM it became clear NH had shut it's primary computer down and was sending a default message advising the primary computer was now in a SAFE mode ... and all science had stopped! NH failed to acknowledge several transmissions sent by NASA!

Very cool info, georger.  I hope you guys get that thing up and running and we get more amazing images. 

I am in the same boat, also.  I've been hitting the water hard and have been crazy busy these last couple months, so I've been posting little.  Attached is an image taken a few days ago by friends who stayed with us for 10 days, diving and photographing shipwrecks.  The photographer is Cal Kothrade and the "model" is Steve Wimer, both good friends form Milwaukee.  The shipwreck is the "Westmoreland", which foundered in 1854 and was discovered in 2010.  Enjoy!   :)

Very nice - will show this to a diver friend of mine ...
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 06, 2015, 05:08:30 PM
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I'm not worried. We're in a lull.  It happens.

Also, I sense that the four-hour History Channel docu will generate a lot of interest, especially in looking at the actions of the FBI, particularly the lost evidence and messy record-keeping. I told the documentarians, LMNO, that I hope they push the Bureau to answer these questions, and also allow Larry Carr to talk freely. I told LMNO that if they didn't, I would write about it, and that dynamic would get entered into the Cooper legacy. I think they understand the importance of their role to dig into the issues more deeply and not skate on the surface of governmental spin.

The Norjak case and what we do here - even if some days we don't do much - is also giving substance to the dynamic that the nature of law enforcement and investigation is changing. LE has to accept that folks like us can and will dig into cases and conduct meaningful investigations. The question is what will LE's response to us be. Larry Carr was a visionary and I'm sure others will follow. Yes, there will be many important issues to resolve, such as how to determine who gets to sit on a Citizen Sleuth committee or who gets to see evidence, but I think over time these bumps in the road will be smoothed.

In fact, I recommended to LMNO that they consider doing an docu on how the Internet is changing the nature of police investigation.

I also encouraged LMNO to look at remote viewing and other revolutionary changes to the forensic sciences. They understand the potentials, and in turn encouraged me to keep writing on the New Physics - The Science of Consciousness. The gal from LMNO that I Skyped with last week said that she thought this was a more interesting topic than DB Cooper!

I, of course, think both are important, and now I see them becoming more intertwined.

Well Jim, I would only point out that if you can "remote view" as you claim, then you don't need access to people's files.

Isn't this only about YOU and nothing else? Aren't you appraisals and claims personal?  Blevins also claimed to speak fore the "American people" ...  while belittling "Wage Earner Sheeple" (the common people) ::)

Seig Heil Jim@!

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on July 06, 2015, 05:11:00 PM
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I'm not worried. We're in a lull.  It happens.

Also, I sense that the four-hour History Channel docu will generate a lot of interest, especially in looking at the actions of the FBI, particularly the lost evidence and messy record-keeping. I told the documentarians, LMNO, that I hope they push the Bureau to answer these questions, and also allow Larry Carr to talk freely. I told LMNO that if they didn't, I would write about it, and that dynamic would get entered into the Cooper legacy. I think they understand the importance of their role to dig into the issues more deeply and not skate on the surface of governmental spin.

The Norjak case and what we do here - even if some days we don't do much - is also giving substance to the dynamic that the nature of law enforcement and investigation is changing. LE has to accept that folks like us can and will dig into cases and conduct meaningful investigations. The question is what will LE's response to us be. Larry Carr was a visionary and I'm sure others will follow. Yes, there will be many important issues to resolve, such as how to determine who gets to sit on a Citizen Sleuth committee or who gets to see evidence, but I think over time these bumps in the road will be smoothed.

In fact, I recommended to LMNO that they consider doing an docu on how the Internet is changing the nature of police investigation.

I also encouraged LMNO to look at remote viewing and other revolutionary changes to the forensic sciences. They understand the potentials, and in turn encouraged me to keep writing on the New Physics - The Science of Consciousness. The gal from LMNO that I Skyped with last week said that she thought this was a more interesting topic than DB Cooper!

I, of course, think both are important, and now I see them becoming more intertwined.

Bruce, spare us the remote viewing and "revolutionary changes" to the forensic sciences, whatever you mean by that.  Instead, why don't you just start talking to the people on the Mufon Channel about UFO's and the like.  I am sure that you would be welcomed with open arms and find your true home there.  Birds of a feather should flock together as the saying goes.

Hopefully, Shutter will be able to keep this site focused on "facts" (consult your dictionary, if necessary) so that some actual progress can be made in resolving the Cooper matter.  He made a significant step in that direction by keeping some nutcases off this site and is to be congratulated for it.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 06, 2015, 05:26:51 PM
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I'm not worried. We're in a lull.  It happens.

Also, I sense that the four-hour History Channel docu will generate a lot of interest, especially in looking at the actions of the FBI, particularly the lost evidence and messy record-keeping. I told the documentarians, LMNO, that I hope they push the Bureau to answer these questions, and also allow Larry Carr to talk freely. I told LMNO that if they didn't, I would write about it, and that dynamic would get entered into the Cooper legacy. I think they understand the importance of their role to dig into the issues more deeply and not skate on the surface of governmental spin.

The Norjak case and what we do here - even if some days we don't do much - is also giving substance to the dynamic that the nature of law enforcement and investigation is changing. LE has to accept that folks like us can and will dig into cases and conduct meaningful investigations. The question is what will LE's response to us be. Larry Carr was a visionary and I'm sure others will follow. Yes, there will be many important issues to resolve, such as how to determine who gets to sit on a Citizen Sleuth committee or who gets to see evidence, but I think over time these bumps in the road will be smoothed.

In fact, I recommended to LMNO that they consider doing an docu on how the Internet is changing the nature of police investigation.

I also encouraged LMNO to look at remote viewing and other revolutionary changes to the forensic sciences. They understand the potentials, and in turn encouraged me to keep writing on the New Physics - The Science of Consciousness. The gal from LMNO that I Skyped with last week said that she thought this was a more interesting topic than DB Cooper!

I, of course, think both are important, and now I see them becoming more intertwined.

Bruce, spare us the remote viewing and "revolutionary changes" to the forensic sciences, whatever you mean by that.  Instead, why don't you just start talking to the people on the Mufon Channel about UFO's and the like.  I am sure that you would be welcomed with open arms and find your true home there.  Birds of a feather should flock together as the saying goes.

Hopefully, Shutter will be able to keep this site focused on "facts" (consult your dictionary, if necessary) so that some actual progress can be made in resolving the Cooper matter.  He made a significant step in that direction by keeping some nutcases off this site and is to be congratulated for it.

+1 :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 06, 2015, 08:01:48 PM
Remote Viewing? see pic below.  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 06, 2015, 10:17:52 PM
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Bruce, spare us the remote viewing and "revolutionary changes" to the forensic sciences, whatever you mean by that. 

What is the source of your discomfort? What is it about remote viewing that makes you uncomfortable and need to be spared? Aren't you curious about the capacities of the limbic system?

As for revolutionary changes, once the practice of remote viewing is consistent and reliable it will truly bring dramatic changes to the forensic sciences, no?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on July 06, 2015, 11:26:55 PM
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Bruce, spare us the remote viewing and "revolutionary changes" to the forensic sciences, whatever you mean by that. 

What is the source of your discomfort? What is it about remote viewing that makes you uncomfortable and need to be spared? Aren't you curious about the capacities of the limbic system?

As for revolutionary changes, once the practice of remote viewing is consistent and reliable it will truly bring dramatic changes to the forensic sciences, no?

Bruce, the basic problem is who or what "programs" the limbic system and what its "output" is suppose to be.

Most of the people on this thread have undergone years or decades of training to condition the limbic system to produce "rational" outputs from "rational" inputs to that system as well as to make "associations" and "connections" that produce outputs that may not be apparent from the inputs.

The above is sometimes referred to as "logical thinking".  After undergoing such an intensive "mental conditioning" program, some people, me included, have great difficulty in making sense of anything that does not follow the common rules of logic, such as "illogical thinking", or anything else that does not have a logical basis.

The end result from all of the above is that some people who continue to engage in "illogical thinking", and perhaps have behavior problems based on that thinking, sometimes end up in special institutions where medical personnel actively work to help them retrain their limbic systems to produce "logical thinking" and behavior.  These institutions are sometimes called "nut houses" by the uninformed.

For your last question, could you provide a state-of-the-art update of the subject in the year 3,916 AD?

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 06, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
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Bruce, spare us the remote viewing and "revolutionary changes" to the forensic sciences, whatever you mean by that. 

What is the source of your discomfort? What is it about remote viewing that makes you uncomfortable and need to be spared? Aren't you curious about the capacities of the limbic system?

As for revolutionary changes, once the practice of remote viewing is consistent and reliable it will truly bring dramatic changes to the forensic sciences, no?

Or, just a classic case of "over reach". Obviously you don't see how it undermines the other work you do, and exposes you to problems. One is never sure where your objective work and your subjective activism merege and feed into each other. The net result is uncertainty in the credibility of your work. Its a virus that infects your whole persona. People like Blevins (who has his own credibility problems and attacks other people's vulnerabilities to bolster his own credibility!) attack it ... because its an obvious vulnerability.

Update on New Horizons:  here's an especially good article tonight. Explains what happened and why... http://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/ok-nasa-new-horizons-final-approach-pluto-n387696


 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 07, 2015, 12:36:56 AM
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Bruce, spare us the remote viewing and "revolutionary changes" to the forensic sciences, whatever you mean by that. 

What is the source of your discomfort? What is it about remote viewing that makes you uncomfortable and need to be spared? Aren't you curious about the capacities of the limbic system?

As for revolutionary changes, once the practice of remote viewing is consistent and reliable it will truly bring dramatic changes to the forensic sciences, no?

Bruce, the basic problem is who or what "programs" the limbic system and what its "output" is suppose to be.

Most of the people on this thread have undergone years or decades of training to condition the limbic system to produce "rational" outputs from "rational" inputs to that system as well as to make "associations" and "connections" that produce outputs that may not be apparent from the inputs.

The above is sometimes referred to as "logical thinking".  After undergoing such an intensive "mental conditioning" program, some people, me included, have great difficulty in making sense of anything that does not follow the common rules of logic, such as "illogical thinking", or anything else that does not have a logical basis.

The end result from all of the above is that some people who continue to engage in "illogical thinking", and perhaps have behavior problems based on that thinking, sometimes end up in special institutions where medical personnel actively work to help them retrain their limbic systems to produce "logical thinking" and behavior.  These institutions are sometimes called "nut houses" by the uninformed.

For your last question, could you provide a state-of-the-art update of the subject in the year 3,916 AD?

I thought the neurological centers for logical thinking were the cerebrum, frontal lobes and such, whereas the limbic system was the center for intuitive, emotional, and non-associative awareness.

As a result, I say that the most complete forensic approach would be to have synergy between the two systems.

Yes, I know my efforts to explore the unexplored realms causes some people to discount my other, more traditional work, which frustrates me. Hence, my questions as to your discomfort.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 07, 2015, 01:55:17 PM
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Bruce, spare us the remote viewing and "revolutionary changes" to the forensic sciences, whatever you mean by that. 

What is the source of your discomfort? What is it about remote viewing that makes you uncomfortable and need to be spared? Aren't you curious about the capacities of the limbic system?

As for revolutionary changes, once the practice of remote viewing is consistent and reliable it will truly bring dramatic changes to the forensic sciences, no?

Bruce, the basic problem is who or what "programs" the limbic system and what its "output" is suppose to be.

Most of the people on this thread have undergone years or decades of training to condition the limbic system to produce "rational" outputs from "rational" inputs to that system as well as to make "associations" and "connections" that produce outputs that may not be apparent from the inputs.

The above is sometimes referred to as "logical thinking".  After undergoing such an intensive "mental conditioning" program, some people, me included, have great difficulty in making sense of anything that does not follow the common rules of logic, such as "illogical thinking", or anything else that does not have a logical basis.

The end result from all of the above is that some people who continue to engage in "illogical thinking", and perhaps have behavior problems based on that thinking, sometimes end up in special institutions where medical personnel actively work to help them retrain their limbic systems to produce "logical thinking" and behavior.  These institutions are sometimes called "nut houses" by the uninformed.

For your last question, could you provide a state-of-the-art update of the subject in the year 3,916 AD?

I thought the neurological centers for logical thinking were the cerebrum, frontal lobes and such, whereas the limbic system was the center for intuitive, emotional, and non-associative awareness.

As a result, I say that the most complete forensic approach would be to have synergy between the two systems.

Yes, I know my efforts to explore the unexplored realms causes some people to discount my other, more traditional work, which frustrates me. Hence, my questions as to your discomfort.

Our discomfort? It's you who are in discomfort, sir!

Millions if not billions of humans have 'looked into' the occult. It makes no difference what names or terminology you couch your narrative in. If and when you are able to demonstrate anything concrete arrived at by an act of Remote Viewing, socalled vs. all of the gobblewobble you are engaging in, be sure and let us know!

Until that time your entire work is suspect and unrealiable, which includes your book. That may be unfortunate, but it is the way it is. My guess is "American People" and "Wage Earner Sheeple" will see it that way... because essentially they have no other choice. A bird in the hand is worth ten in the promissory note you claim exists but nobody can find including you!
 
Good luck Gomer.  :D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 07, 2015, 05:49:08 PM
It is a "put up or shut up" kind of world. I accept.

Hence, back to the drawing board, so to speak....or more to the point, perfecting my techniques and capacities.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on July 08, 2015, 01:00:18 AM
THE AMERICAN HISTORY CHANNEL (What History Forgot) - Well the program viewed 7/7/15 about DB Cooper. Done by Joe Moniaci and not any new news and with problems in the facts in the case. Joe should have contacted Bruce Smith or at least read his book. Some of the missing facts are:
1)   No sunglasses
2)   DB  with wrong Flight Attendant (and not Tina Mucklow).
3)   Wrong tie color had a stripe on it too
4)   The front chute was tied on and probably not ever used (tinie red x on it)
5)   Promoted DB killed by jet exaust but did correct it later
6)   Most all believed DB did not survive (even though all following DB made it safely)
7)   No mention of drinks, cigarets, or  four letters to the newspapers and the FBI overlooking the DNA under the stamps and envelope flaps
8)   Nothing new about DB disclosed
It was a poor job of trying to get something put together in a hurry.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 08, 2015, 09:50:21 AM
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THE AMERICAN HISTORY CHANNEL (What History Forgot) - Well the program viewed 7/7/15 about DB Cooper. Done by Joe Moniaci and not any new news and with problems in the facts in the case. Joe should have contacted Bruce Smith or at least read his book. Some of the missing facts are:
1)   No sunglasses
2)   DB  with wrong Flight Attendant (and not Tina Mucklow).
3)   Wrong tie color had a stripe on it too
4)   The front chute was tied on and probably not ever used (tinie red x on it)
5)   Promoted DB killed by jet exaust but did correct it later
6)   Most all believed DB did not survive (even though all following DB made it safely)
7)   No mention of drinks, cigarets, or  four letters to the newspapers and the FBI overlooking the DNA under the stamps and envelope flaps
8)   Nothing new about DB disclosed
It was a poor job of trying to get something put together in a hurry.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

I think we must seriously consider that Cooper escaped on a passing asteroid.

He may not have been of this Earth! Himmelsbach may have detected that.
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 08, 2015, 12:01:31 PM
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6)   Most all believed DB did not survive (even though all following DB made it safely)
7)   No mention of drinks, cigarets, or  four letters to the newspapers and the FBI overlooking the DNA under the stamps and envelope flaps

It was a poor job of trying to get something put together in a hurry.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

All the jumping skyjackers who followed Cooper survived, but were also captured soon after they jumped. 

The letter's to the press do intrigue me a bit.  I don't believe the Cooper suspect wrote those letters, but...the nature of skyjacking draws a lot of attention and the people who did these skyjackings seemed to thrive on that attention, more so than someone robbing a little bank in some small obscure town.  So maybe...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 08, 2015, 03:53:34 PM
None of the letters were signed by "Dan Cooper", just "DB Cooper" I find it odd he would use a double alias.....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 08, 2015, 06:20:33 PM
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6)   Most all believed DB did not survive (even though all following DB made it safely)
7)   No mention of drinks, cigarets, or  four letters to the newspapers and the FBI overlooking the DNA under the stamps and envelope flaps

It was a poor job of trying to get something put together in a hurry.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

All the jumping skyjackers who followed Cooper survived, but were also captured soon after they jumped. 

The letter's to the press do intrigue me a bit.  I don't believe the Cooper suspect wrote those letters, but...the nature of skyjacking draws a lot of attention and the people who did these skyjackings seemed to thrive on that attention, more so than someone robbing a little bank in some small obscure town.  So maybe...

The visibility and the penalties for the two crimes are substantially different!

Some people 'just must' seek a high visibility profile or try to, for some reason. While others just plod along doing ordinary crime. 
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: andrade1812 on July 08, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
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All the jumping skyjackers who followed Cooper survived, but were also captured soon after they jumped.

Let's be clear, one of the reasons the guys who followed Cooper were easier to capture was because of the information (i.e. the 'bump' indicating when the hijacker actually jumped) gleaned from the Cooper hijacking itself. Since that information was not present for the Cooper hijacking, the conclusion "Cooper would have been captured had he survived based on later hijackings" is a logical fallacy.

Further, McCoy was caught because he talked to others before the hijacking and lived near the jump point. Richard Charles LaPoint was captured because the authorities put a tracking device in his parachute, then followed his snow tracks (again, neither element present in Cooper case). Frederick Hahneman spent a month in Honduras before he gave himself up (nothing applicable to Cooper case). McNally was caught with a fingerprint. Really, on Heady's jump is at all applicable to Coopers, because Heady was actually captured with agents on the ground. But they were only there because they knew where he jumped, because of the Cooper case.

So, a recipe for getting away with the crime would be: don't leave fingerprints (or at least, not already be in the fingerprint system), don't talk, be first so they don't know about the jump, don't have a tracking device in your parachute, don't surrender yourself. We know for sure Cooper was good on three of these points, leaving only fingerprints and talking as the way to catch him. If Cooper was not previously a criminal, and if he was a lone wolf, he is in a very good position to get away with the crime.

Cooper may have died in the jump, but assuming he died because he was never caught is to assume our law enforcement system is 100% effective. And that has never been true.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 09, 2015, 12:03:44 AM
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All the jumping skyjackers who followed Cooper survived, but were also captured soon after they jumped.

Let's be clear,

A recipe for getting away with the crime would be: don't leave fingerprints (or at least, not already be in the fingerprint system), don't talk, be first so they don't know about the jump, don't have a tracking device in your parachute, don't surrender yourself. We know for sure Cooper was good on three of these points, leaving only fingerprints and talking as the way to catch him. If Cooper was not previously a criminal, and if he was a lone wolf, he is in a very good position to get away with the crime.


And jump between SEA and PDX along V-23 on a slow day!   ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 09, 2015, 09:36:29 AM
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All the jumping skyjackers who followed Cooper survived, but were also captured soon after they jumped.

 the conclusion "Cooper would have been captured had he survived based on later hijackings" is a logical fallacy.

Cooper may have died in the jump, but assuming he died because he was never caught is to assume our law enforcement system is 100% effective. And that has never been true.

Right back at ya.  To assume Cooper survived because all those who followed survived, is a "logical fallacy" also.  I think we've been down this road before.  Most people's belief that the Cooper suspect died is based on his apparent lack of skydiving experience, weather conditions, improper footwear, ransom money being discovered in a river bank a few miles downstream of where the plane passed over the river, no ransom money being ever being discovered in circulation and no decent suspects fitting the basic description who were alive after 1971 have been produced.

If anybody has any type of proof that the Cooper suspect lived or died, we would love to hear it.  Until then, we will argue the point based on who we personally think Cooper was: a dead bumbling amateur, or a living CIA trained ninja.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on July 09, 2015, 01:34:20 PM
Shutter    You say:" None of the letters were signed by "Dan Cooper", just "DB Cooper" I find it odd he would use a double alias....."

I say:   The four letters were sent by one person (Galen Cook came to the same conclusion)  and I thought they were from a cook at first but when I saw the salutation on letter #3, "The system that beats the system" I then knew they were most likely from Sheridan Peterson as that was his mantra while living at my home for one month in 1961. He was fixed upon "Beating the System" and mentioned it many times. He would have used DB as Dan was not being used in the newspapers.

Bob Sailshaw

PS The FBI does not act on civilian ideas as they want it to all come from the FBI thinking.
"It was not invented here"
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 09, 2015, 01:50:21 PM
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Shutter    You say:" None of the letters were signed by "Dan Cooper", just "DB Cooper" I find it odd he would use a double alias....."

I say:   The four letters were sent by one person (Galen Cook came to the same conclusion)  and I thought they were from a cook at first but when I saw the salutation on letter #3, "The system that beats the system" I then knew they were most likely from Sheridan Peterson as that was his mantra while living at my home for one month in 1961.

Bob Sailshaw


Is it possible that Peterson sent the letters, but wasn't the skyjacker? 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 09, 2015, 02:56:56 PM
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Shutter    You say:" None of the letters were signed by "Dan Cooper", just "DB Cooper" I find it odd he would use a double alias....."

I say:   The four letters were sent by one person (Galen Cook came to the same conclusion)  and I thought they were from a cook at first but when I saw the salutation on letter #3, "The system that beats the system" I then knew they were most likely from Sheridan Peterson as that was his mantra while living at my home for one month in 1961.

Bob Sailshaw


Is it possible that Peterson sent the letters, but wasn't the skyjacker?

It is entirely possible imho. We know Peterson liked to thumb his nose at "the system", whatever that adds up to. The phrase "the system" was common gobblewobble during the 70's - that phrase was as common as dirt in the 1970s! There is nothing unique to Peterson about the use of the phrase "system that beats the system" during that epoch.

Likewise, the letters are no surprise! That was as predictable as lice in Los Angeles!

Did Peterson write the letters? Who knows. It could have been any one of Tens of Millions of possible candidates! Peterson says he was in Nepal at the time.

This is pretty funny - 

It's telling Peterson would turn around and say he was in Nepal when it came to taking ownership!

The system that beats the system?  or the Joker that feeds at the glory hole of DB Cooper ?

Through his machinations he got the FBI to look at him which is more than Weber or Blevins have accomplished!

The whole thing is probably disinformation spawned by some social critic who thought he was special. Cooper strikes me as wanting to remain anonymous! You guys just want those letters to be important. Lacking anything better I guess they are! We could discuss the Tom Kaye Shoebox Pump instead! It has about the same relevance imho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIeNZWuNL7g
 ;) ;) ;)

 


       
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 19, 2015, 03:28:34 PM
Some more wacky fun with the pics.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlD2WMJG8sI
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 19, 2015, 04:18:50 PM
Um, Shut, could you tell us more about that tattoo that is being applied in this video? Also, could you show us more of her, um, tattoos....?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 19, 2015, 10:16:02 PM
The dog at the end of the video was a friends from work  :P
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on July 26, 2015, 03:45:58 PM
This is kind of off topic, but it made me think of these boards anyway.

I just finish reading Clifford Irving's "The Hoax", his story about his attempt to sell as genuine an autobiography of Howard Hughes, that he helped write.

What was remarkable (and what reminds me of some people who have a favorite suspect) was how long he was able to drag this out because people so wanted to believe it was true, they'd overlook what was right in front of them.  True, Irving had access to all of Time-Life's files on Hughes and had obtained a bootleg copy of an unpublished manuscript by Hughes' long time assistant, so the book was credible.

But, professional handwriting analysts paid by his publisher validated the handwriting on his forged notes.  A lie detector test on Irving was "inconclusive".  Even a reporter who knew Hughes, but hadn't talked to him in a few years, believed it was genuine even after a conference allegedly from Hughes himself saying he never met Irving.  It didn't really fall apart until a Swiss bank released information that the H.R. Hughes depositing the checks was a woman (it turned out to be Irving's wife).

People believe what they want to believe and facts and evidence can't dissuade them.  Hmmmm....I wonder why that made me think of these boards.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 26, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
I've always been interested in Hughes. he had one heck of a life, good, and bad. a month back I was looking at the office building he had for the production of his movie reading about people saying they waited on the street to get there pay checks lowered down from the second floor of the building on a string  :o

I also looked into the crash he had that almost killed him, and of course the senate hearings where he slammed Brewster..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xJ_aZ-bhkw
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on July 26, 2015, 04:23:37 PM
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I've always been interested in Hughes. he had one heck of a life, good, and bad. a month back I was looking at the office building he had for the production of his movie reading about people saying they waited on the street to get there pay checks lowered down from the second floor of the building on a string  :o

I also looked into the crash he had that almost killed him, and of course the senate hearings where he slammed Brewster..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xJ_aZ-bhkw

The matter with Senator Brewster was basically related to the good Senator not wanting his friends at Pan American Airways to have TWA, which Hughes owned, as a competitor on  international flight routes.  TWA required US Government approval to operate internationally and Brewster did not want that to happen.

TWA's headquarters were in Kansas City, Missouri and the President of the USA at the time this was happening was a fellow named Harry Truman, who was also from the Kansas City, MO area.  Further, Jack Frye, the President of TWA, was a regular visitor to the White House where he played poker with Harry Truman.  And Truman had the final say on the awarding of those international routes.  And you can guess what his decision was. :o

I had the privilege to be a passenger on a lot of TWA flights when Hughes owned the airline and after he lost control of it.  It was a great airline when Hughes controlled it and things went downhill when he lost control.  And, of course, PAA eventually went bankrupt and disappeared. TWA merged with another airline (I don't remember which one) and lost its identity. 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on July 26, 2015, 05:07:36 PM
TWA was bought by American.

The "Autobiography" is available on Amazon (Irving has made all of his books $2.99 this week on Kindle) and it's actually a very good book.  It talks about the case with Sen. Brewster.  The trouble, of course, is you don't know whether it's true (discovered in Irving's research) or made up out of whole cloth by Irving.
Title: Re: New Forum
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 26, 2015, 10:58:10 PM
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We have 13 names on our suspect list:

Don Burnworth
Ted Braden
Ken Christiansen
Jack Coffelt
L.D. Cooper
Bobby Dayton
William Gosset
Robert Richard Lepsy
Ted Mayfield 
Richard Floyd McCoy
Sheridan Peterson
Duane Weber
Melvin Wilson

And want to create a spreadsheet containing

1. Height
2. Weight
3. Eye Color
4. Hair
5. Age at time of skyjacking

Shutter, do you want this info in excel spreadsheet form, the body of an email, or a word type document?
I'm going to take a stab at creating a spreadsheet containing the information mentioned above.  Does anybody have some of this info or decent sources for this information?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 26, 2015, 11:28:34 PM
Cool, a word doc would be good....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 26, 2015, 11:37:06 PM
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Cool, a word doc would be good....

I've got Lepsy and Wilson, but that's about it:

Name          Age   Height   Weight   Hair color   Eye color
               
Dan Cooper   45       6'              180   Black   Brown
               
Don Burnworth               
Ted Braden               
Ken Christiansen               
Jack Coffelt               
L.D. Cooper               
Bobby Dayton               
William Gosset               
Ted Mayfield                 
Richard Floyd McCoy               
Sheridan Peterson               
Duane Weber               
               
               
Robert Richard Lepsy    35   6'   180   Black   Brown
Melvin Wilson            44   6'   185   Brown   Blue
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 26, 2015, 11:54:26 PM
Kenny 45 years old 150 lbs 5' 8" hazel eyes
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 29, 2015, 01:06:55 AM
I know I informed a lot of you guys through a PM about Bruce Smith, and Galen Cook on Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis. if you missed it, I think this link will work. I haven't check yet though, but here it is...I called in towards the end...


That link didn't work....I'll find one that does...


This one should work  ;D you can skip through parts, commercials etc.

https://soundcloud.com/groundzeromedia
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 29, 2015, 02:25:28 AM
The show was pretty much about Gossett. I really didn't get to ask the things I wanted to ask, or say.... :o
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on July 29, 2015, 09:14:39 AM
I listened for about an hour...it took the host 40 minutes to even introduce Galen and another 10 minutes just to talk about how they met.

I didn't listen to the rest....I'll try to catch it later.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on July 29, 2015, 09:40:20 AM
Shutter
Sheridan Peterson:     1971 Age 46, Height 6'-1", Weight 180 lbs, Hair black, Eyes blue but brown with cosmetic brown lens

I listened to the show last night with Bruce and Cook on Ground Zero and it was all about Gosset with a little Tina Mucklow thrown in and possible connection with Gosset as a Priest. Cook is way off base with his Gosset theories.

Bob Sailshaw
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 29, 2015, 10:39:35 AM
I don't know if it was a time issue, but I wanted the hear more about the theory on the St Johns area landing. as soon as I mentioned it, it went silent? I had to ask again, but didn't get my question really answered. that was one of the things that interested me. they seem to believe he drifted west when he jumped.

I got some PM's, one was about the chutes. I didn't listen to the start of the show, but it appears they got some chute info wrong. I'm not sold on the buried money either, or the letters. Galen made it sound good, but I still wonder if Dan Cooper would sign the letters by DB Cooper...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on July 29, 2015, 05:20:56 PM
I enjoyed the show even though it was heavily Gossett weighted. Galen made an error when he said the NB 8 parachute was what Gossett trained on. The NB 8 was a Navy emergency bailout rig and quite different from any Army USMC or USAF freefall or static line rigs Gossett may have used in intentional (non emergency) military jumps. The NB 8 and NB 6 rigs have a very non intuitive chest strap configuration that often baffles people who are used to more conventional rigs. If Cooper donned one with ease, it suggests that he had done so before. If (there is controversy about this) he easily located the packing card he almost certainly was familiar with these Navy rigs. The packing card is extremely well hidden on NB 6 and NB 8 rigs. Himmelsbach told me that the FBI had no evidence that supported the alleged packing card inspection by Cooper.

Bruce gave great sound bytes and stayed off the paranormal track. If Cossey carried, as Bruce alleged, huge sums of cash (e.g. 50K) it sure opens up some obvious motives for his murder. I am still puzzled by Cossey's lies about chute ownership and his role as an initial supporter of the FBI's certain death jump story. A jet jump from 10,000 ft isn't so tough, especially if you pull off the stairs. Its all about the landing. Cossey knew it wasn't a certain death jump so why did he support the FBI's conflicting theory?

Galen is a smart articulate guy and I enjoyed his contribution to the show. He is stuck on Gossett, but who knows if he is right or wrong? Everybody has a favorite suspect.

Kinda surprised Jo didn't call in. She lost her audience when Dropzpone shut down the Cooper forum and she was excluded from this site. I still wish she would get probationary privileges here just as an act of kindness. This Duane=Cooper stuff is her life and she is now quite isolated.

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 29, 2015, 05:36:54 PM
377

What did you think about St. Johns landing, or the wind change?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 29, 2015, 05:46:16 PM
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I am still puzzled by Cossey's lies about chute ownership and his role as an initial supporter of the FBI's certain death jump story. A jet jump from 10,000 ft isn't so tough, especially if you pull off the stairs. Its all about the landing. Cossey knew it wasn't a certain death jump so why did he support the FBI's conflicting theory?


I think it's possible Cossey's arrogant's might of got in the way. I agree, since he was known to hang out with the gambling crowd it opens possibilities for what happened. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with the Cooper case. last time I checked while over at Greg's house  8) Detective Blevins will have that case wrapped up as well as he did the Cooper case.

I find it hard to believe Cooper walked all over the place that evening. the area was hot, so walking around at night leaves you wide open for capture. I still don't buy into the bury some money thingy. the only thing I agreed with them on was the jump being closer to the Columbia, but that's something that hasn't been verified.


Jo sends a lot of emails in my direction, and the FBI among others  :o she's still trucking along.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 29, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
I thought the radio piece was well done.  Bruce did a great job and hopefully that will get him a few book sales.  I pretty much agree with shutter's statements.  Gossett's a tough sell.  Don't forget, all that walking would have been done in stocking feet.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 29, 2015, 06:31:23 PM
I don't know enough about Gossett to dismiss him, but I didn't agree with some of the things they were talking about. holding onto the money is odd as well, unless someone could prove he didn't do it for the money...


How does Clyde think Cooper drifted 25-30 miles before landing?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 29, 2015, 09:54:22 PM
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Don't forget, all that walking would have been done in stocking feet.


A straight line to Tina Bar is about 9 miles. that's 18 miles round trip....that's a lot of walking. :o
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on July 30, 2015, 10:00:06 AM
377   You and I have talked about how DB selected the right chute for the job. What you are really talking about is the right container and how it could survive a jet jump better than the sports container (stronger harness designed for pilots to work from jet jumps when the plane is going to crash). Also, Hayden (the real owner of the two back chutes provided to DB) told me he purchased the two chutes at the same time from a surplus place on Marginal Way and the two chutes were exactly alike and only the carriers were different (one was a military version and the other was a sports version). I have mentioned this info from Hayden before but it keeps getting lost in what Cossey told the FBI.
My theory is Cossey was actually part of the Norjak Caper and did one of the Ground Man jobs to pick up DB after the jump. He would have also possibly served to launder the money in the Casino's he frequented. He would have been experienced in using a CB radio to communicate with DB on his way to where he landed. The reason I think Cossey was involved as when I talked with him before he was killed, I had set-up a lunch with him at my yacht club to talk about the case and when at then end of our conversation I asked if he knew  Sheridan Peterson, Cossey sounded like he had just swalled a frog and abruptly said he didd not know Sheridan and he then said he "wanted nothing more to do with me and canceled our lunch date." Cossey had to know Sheridan as they spent many hours at Issaquah Skydiving School when Sheridan brought the new members of the Boeing Skydiving Club there to use for training and as their dropzone. Sheridan could have enlisted Cossey as the right guy to be one of the Ground Men and holder of the loot and possibly the invester of the loot,
Now the rest of the story really gets far fetched. Could Sheridan have got mad at Cossey using up the invested loot in 40 years and came to visit him and talk eyeball to eyeball about what had happend? Then as they were talking in Cossey's garage and Cossey turn his back on Sheridan to walk back into the house, Sheridan is over come with anger and picks up a big red pipe wrench and hits Cossey in the back of his head. Not really meaning to kill him but hurt him? That is my far out remote viewing of how Cossey got killed. Then Sheridan could taken the wallet and large sum of money to make it look like a burglar did it. Would a burglar send the charge card back by dropping them in a mail box? That would have been what Sheridan would have done as he is really a nice guy, gentleman right? The other Ground Man could have been Duane Weber and that is what he told Jo when asked how he would have know where DB came out of the woods. Jo would rather think that Duane was DB and it would have been more impressive. Duane had a lot of radio gear in his car/Jo (typical of a CB or Ham nut) and would have been good at finding DB on the ground.
Anyway just some more thoughts,
Bob Sailshaw
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on July 30, 2015, 04:01:31 PM
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377   You and I have talked about how DB selected the right chute for the job. What you are really talking about is the right container and how it could survive a jet jump better than the sports container (stronger harness designed for pilots to work from jet jumps when the plane is going to crash). Also, Hayden (the real owner of the two back chutes provided to DB) told me he purchased the two chutes at the same time from a surplus place on Marginal Way and the two chutes were exactly alike and only the carriers were different (one was a military version and the other was a sports version). I have mentioned this info from Hayden before but it keeps getting lost in what Cossey told the FBI.
My theory is Cossey was actually part of the Norjak Caper and did one of the Ground Man jobs to pick up DB after the jump. He would have also possibly served to launder the money in the Casino's he frequented. He would have been experienced in using a CB radio to communicate with DB on his way to where he landed. The reason I think Cossey was involved as when I talked with him before he was killed, I had set-up a lunch with him at my yacht club to talk about the case and when at then end of our conversation I asked if he knew  Sheridan Peterson, Cossey sounded like he had just swalled a frog and abruptly said he didd not know Sheridan and he then said he "wanted nothing more to do with me and canceled our lunch date." Cossey had to know Sheridan as they spent many hours at Issaquah Skydiving School when Sheridan brought the new members of the Boeing Skydiving Club there to use for training and as their dropzone. Sheridan could have enlisted Cossey as the right guy to be one of the Ground Men and holder of the loot and possibly the invester of the loot,
Now the rest of the story really gets far fetched. Could Sheridan have got mad at Cossey using up the invested loot in 40 years and came to visit him and talk eyeball to eyeball about what had happend? Then as they were talking in Cossey's garage and Cossey turn his back on Sheridan to walk back into the house, Sheridan is over come with anger and picks up a big red pipe wrench and hits Cossey in the back of his head. Not really meaning to kill him but hurt him? That is my far out remote viewing of how Cossey got killed. Then Sheridan could taken the wallet and large sum of money to make it look like a burglar did it. Would a burglar send the charge card back by dropping them in a mail box? That would have been what Sheridan would have done as he is really a nice guy, gentleman right? The other Ground Man could have been Duane Weber and that is what he told Jo when asked how he would have know where DB came out of the woods. Jo would rather think that Duane was DB and it would have been more impressive. Duane had a lot of radio gear in his car/Jo (typical of a CB or Ham nut) and would have been good at finding DB on the ground.
Anyway just some more thoughts,
Bob Sailshaw

377   You and I have talked about how DB selected the right chute for the job

I learn something new every day. I had no idea you and 377 (and all the others) were there! Must have been crowded in the back of that aeroplane.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 30, 2015, 10:34:21 PM
Hi everybody, I'm back. My computer was busted for about a month and now I have a re-conditioned rig that I'm just learning how to operate. I can't even get my emails!  UG.

I'm impressed that so many people listened to the Ground Zero show. Thanks! Even though Clyde pushes Gossett, it's clear that he has learned a lot about Norjak since I met him in Ariel in 2011.

I would have liked to comment on Gossett, but I didn't get the chance. Technically it was tough since I was on a "hold" on the phone line while Galen was in the studio with Clyde so they could banter. 

What I would have asked would be how connected Gossett was to covert ops in  Vietnam. Where did he learned the nitty-gritty about jumping from a 727?  The 727s were used in apparently very secretive covert ops, maybe something like a special SOG-Delta Force team, because the SOG author, Major John Plaster, told me that none of his troops used 727s and he didn't know any outfits that did. So where were the 727s deployed?  And how did Gossett get linked to them???

And thanks, 377, about the details between an NB-8 and the rigs an army trooper would have used.

Also, Clyde needs to confront a truth about Gossett, which is that Clyde told me that Gossett was the biggest bullshit artist he had ever met. If Galen and Clyde are developing profiles of Gossett and DB Cooper and seeing where they overlap, then this dynamic must be included. Additionally, Gossett's five wives is a red flag to me. Did DB Cooper have a bevy of gals? Maybe there's no way to tell, but a guy who has trouble with women doesn't seem to be a skyjacker of Cooper's caliber. My sense is that Cooper is a more stable man - a 45 year-old guy who has a gal that doesn't ask any questions. Like a career army wife.

Nevertheless, I do think it is charming that Clyde has so many overlapping connections to Gossett.

Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.

Lastly, lastly, I didn't get to say that Cossey's gambling buddies were very disappointed that the KCSO didn't investigate any of the bad boys in the Seattle gambling scene. Cossey's friends gave the cops names and places, and they say the cops did diddily-squat, which really pisses them off and leads them to think that a cover-up is in progress.
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 30, 2015, 10:40:39 PM
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Kinda surprised Jo didn't call in. She lost her audience when Dropzpone shut down the Cooper forum and she was excluded from this site. I still wish she would get probationary privileges here just as an act of kindness. This Duane=Cooper stuff is her life and she is now quite isolated.

377

Jo is lonely. She called me last week, as chatty and fishy as ever. We talked Cooper for five minutes and then she switched over to how miserable her life is. I could handle about five minutes of that and then had to bid adieu.

Jerry Thomas called me tonight to say he listened to the radio show, too, and tried to call in but was unable to connect with Ground Zero. He also mentioned that Jo called him about a month ago.  Jerry, btw, is having medical issues - feet problems related to diabetes.  Sounds a bit tough for JT.

JT also told me he is sticking to his guns no matter what on every issue!
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Post by: Robert99 on July 30, 2015, 10:56:57 PM
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Hi everybody, I'm back. My computer was busted for about a month and now I have a re-conditioned rig that I'm just learning how to operate. I can't even get my emails!  UG.

I'm impressed that so many people listened to the Ground Zero show. Thanks! Even though Clyde pushes Gossett, it's clear that he has learned a lot about Norjak since I met him in Ariel in 2011.

I would have liked to comment on Gossett, but I didn't get the chance. Technically it was tough since I was on a "hold" on the phone line while Galen was in the studio with Clyde so they could banter. 

What I would have asked would be how connected Gossett was to covert ops in  Vietnam. Where did he learned the nitty-gritty about jumping from a 727?  The 727s were used in apparently very secretive covert ops, maybe something like a special SOG-Delta Force team, because the SOG author, Major John Plaster, told me that none of his troops used 727s and he didn't know any outfits that did. So where were the 727s deployed?  And how did Gossett get linked to them???

And thanks, 377, about the details between an NB-8 and the rigs an army trooper would have used.

Also, Clyde needs to confront a truth about Gossett, which is that Clyde told me that Gossett was the biggest bullshit artist he had ever met. If Galen and Clyde are developing profiles of Gossett and DB Cooper and seeing where they overlap, then this dynamic must be included. Additionally, Gossett's five wives is a red flag to me. Did DB Cooper have a bevy of gals? Maybe there's no way to tell, but a guy who has trouble with women doesn't seem to be a skyjacker of Cooper's caliber. My sense is that Cooper is a more stable man - a 45 year-old guy who has a gal that doesn't ask any questions. Like a career army wife.

Nevertheless, I do think it is charming that Clyde has so many overlapping connections to Gossett.

Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.

Lastly, lastly, I didn't get to say that Cossey's gambling buddies were very disappointed that the KCSO didn't investigate any of the bad boys in the Seattle gambling scene. Cossey's friends gave the cops names and places, and they say the cops did diddily-squat, which really pisses them off and leads them to think that a cover-up is in progress.

Bruce, exactly how many wives did you have?  3? 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on July 30, 2015, 11:03:52 PM
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Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.


I was a little set back when he told me that Cooper could of walked from St. Johns to Tina Bar, and back? that's a 18 mile hike. that area was hot, Cooper would, or should of got the hell outta there fast....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 31, 2015, 01:07:30 AM
Robert Nine-Nine, I have had three wives. Yes. By my reckoning that rules me out as an innovative and bold skyjacker since I'm more, um, restless...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 31, 2015, 01:08:41 AM
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Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.


I was a little set back when he told me that Cooper could of walked from St. Johns to Tina Bar, and back? that's a 18 mile hike. that area was hot, Cooper would, or should of got the hell outta there fast....

Clyde is simply intoxicated with Gossett and makes the claims of a drunken man. We'll set him straight at Ariel.
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Post by: nmiwrecks on July 31, 2015, 09:39:13 AM
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Lastly, I thought the interpretation of the painting of Gossett, where a background scene reveals a river and a man jumping over it, was quite a stretch. Clyde made many factual errors during the show, and the biggest one in my opinion was his saying that the Columbia River was fordable in 1971. Not so.  The C is a huge river - it runs deep, wide and fast. That's why freighters go up it to Portland.


I was a little set back when he told me that Cooper could of walked from St. Johns to Tina Bar, and back? that's a 18 mile hike. that area was hot, Cooper would, or should of got the hell outta there fast....

Clyde is simply intoxicated with Gossett and makes the claims of a drunken man. We'll set him straight at Ariel.
It sounded to me like Clyde has a certain audience with a certain belief system and he was pandering to them.  It makes for great radio to say, "I know who D.B.Cooper was, he was a buddy of mine".  Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on July 31, 2015, 09:53:07 AM
Updated information for the new website.  Let me know if you have anything to add or correct:

Name              Age   Height   Weight   Hair color   Eye color
               
Dan Cooper Suspect   45   6'   180   Black   Brown
               
Don Burnworth               
Ted Braden               
Ken Christiansen   45   5'7"   150   Brown   Hazel
Jack Coffelt               
L.D. Cooper               
Bobby Dayton               
William Gosset           41   5'10"   186      Brown
Ted Mayfield                 
Richard Floyd McCoy   29            
Sheridan Peterson   46   6'1"   180   Black   Blue
Duane Weber               
               
               
Robert Richard Lepsy   35   6'   180   Black   Brown
Melvin Wilson           44   6'   185   Brown   Blue
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on July 31, 2015, 03:06:53 PM
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Clyde is simply intoxicated with Gossett and makes the claims of a drunken man. We'll set him straight at Ariel.
It sounded to me like Clyde has a certain audience with a certain belief system and he was pandering to them.  It makes for great radio to say, "I know who D.B.Cooper was, he was a buddy of mine".  Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!

My father lived by those words!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 06, 2015, 09:21:56 PM
Some more fun with DB Cooper  ;D ;D try to control yourself Bruce  ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnM_o70jkLA
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 07, 2015, 03:39:21 PM
Fantastic, Shut. I burst out laughing at the North Korean bit!!!

You Da Man!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 13, 2015, 03:20:58 PM
Does anyone know the status of the documentaries that were so hot-top-trot a few months ago? Atlas Media and LMNO were two outfits that contacted me, and then I heard zip ever since.

Just wonderin'.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 16, 2015, 02:53:39 PM
Here is a neat video. it's around the Columbia Gorge, but you can move around 360 degrees while watching... :o
In the upper left corner is the control....


YOU must go to You Tube to watch the video. the control doesn't seem to work here. just click where it says You Tube on the video menu..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOdRm7Cfw0k
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 19, 2015, 03:24:38 PM
I spoke with LMNO productions this week and their docu on DB is moving forward. They said they are beginning to contact folks that the want to interview, with filming to begin sometime in September.
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Post by: nmiwrecks on August 19, 2015, 06:47:49 PM
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Here is a neat video. it's around the Columbia Gorge, but you can move around 360 degrees while watching... :o
In the upper left corner is the control....


YOU must go to You Tube to watch the video. the control doesn't seem to work here. just click where it says You Tube on the video menu..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOdRm7Cfw0k
This video makes one appreciate the terrain the Cooper suspect would have had to navigate in his stocking feet.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 19, 2015, 06:58:09 PM
The video is taken around the river gorge area. the bridge they cross is the "Bridge Of The Gods" way east of Portland...

I almost forgot I could look up at the name of the bridge since you can move the camera  :P :P :P
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on August 21, 2015, 12:39:32 PM
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377   You and I have talked about how DB selected the right chute for the job. What you are really talking about is the right container and how it could survive a jet jump better than the sports container (stronger harness designed for pilots to work from jet jumps when the plane is going to crash). Also, Hayden (the real owner of the two back chutes provided to DB) told me he purchased the two chutes at the same time from a surplus place on Marginal Way and the two chutes were exactly alike and only the carriers were different (one was a military version and the other was a sports version). I have mentioned this info from Hayden before but it keeps getting lost in what Cossey told the FBI.
My theory is Cossey was actually part of the Norjak Caper and did one of the Ground Man jobs to pick up DB after the jump. He would have also possibly served to launder the money in the Casino's he frequented. He would have been experienced in using a CB radio to communicate with DB on his way to where he landed. The reason I think Cossey was involved as when I talked with him before he was killed, I had set-up a lunch with him at my yacht club to talk about the case and when at then end of our conversation I asked if he knew  Sheridan Peterson, Cossey sounded like he had just swalled a frog and abruptly said he didd not know Sheridan and he then said he "wanted nothing more to do with me and canceled our lunch date." Cossey had to know Sheridan as they spent many hours at Issaquah Skydiving School when Sheridan brought the new members of the Boeing Skydiving Club there to use for training and as their dropzone. Sheridan could have enlisted Cossey as the right guy to be one of the Ground Men and holder of the loot and possibly the invester of the loot,
Now the rest of the story really gets far fetched. Could Sheridan have got mad at Cossey using up the invested loot in 40 years and came to visit him and talk eyeball to eyeball about what had happend? Then as they were talking in Cossey's garage and Cossey turn his back on Sheridan to walk back into the house, Sheridan is over come with anger and picks up a big red pipe wrench and hits Cossey in the back of his head. Not really meaning to kill him but hurt him? That is my far out remote viewing of how Cossey got killed. Then Sheridan could taken the wallet and large sum of money to make it look like a burglar did it. Would a burglar send the charge card back by dropping them in a mail box? That would have been what Sheridan would have done as he is really a nice guy, gentleman right? The other Ground Man could have been Duane Weber and that is what he told Jo when asked how he would have know where DB came out of the woods. Jo would rather think that Duane was DB and it would have been more impressive. Duane had a lot of radio gear in his car/Jo (typical of a CB or Ham nut) and would have been good at finding DB on the ground.
Anyway just some more thoughts,
Bob Sailshaw

Sailshaw's theory about Sheridan Peterson killing Earl Cossey is wildly speculative and I see no evidence supporting it.

However, I do agree with Sailshaw on one crucial point. I DO think Peterson and Cossey knew each other. You'd have to have been part of the skydiving community back then to know how small it was and how people using the same DZ knew just about everyone else who did, especially at the upper levels (expert D class licensees). Also Cossey was a national championship competitor and a rigger, someone every expert skydiver in the area would likely know. Peterson was a renegade jumper (banned from USPA for home made wing suit jumps) which would have gained him some notoriety. These weren't two rookies who could fade into the background in the NW jumping scene and be unnoticed. Just my opinion. I have no evidence that they knew each other.

377
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Post by: georger on August 22, 2015, 02:54:13 AM
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377   You and I have talked about how DB selected the right chute for the job. What you are really talking about is the right container and how it could survive a jet jump better than the sports container (stronger harness designed for pilots to work from jet jumps when the plane is going to crash). Also, Hayden (the real owner of the two back chutes provided to DB) told me he purchased the two chutes at the same time from a surplus place on Marginal Way and the two chutes were exactly alike and only the carriers were different (one was a military version and the other was a sports version). I have mentioned this info from Hayden before but it keeps getting lost in what Cossey told the FBI.
My theory is Cossey was actually part of the Norjak Caper and did one of the Ground Man jobs to pick up DB after the jump. He would have also possibly served to launder the money in the Casino's he frequented. He would have been experienced in using a CB radio to communicate with DB on his way to where he landed. The reason I think Cossey was involved as when I talked with him before he was killed, I had set-up a lunch with him at my yacht club to talk about the case and when at then end of our conversation I asked if he knew  Sheridan Peterson, Cossey sounded like he had just swalled a frog and abruptly said he didd not know Sheridan and he then said he "wanted nothing more to do with me and canceled our lunch date." Cossey had to know Sheridan as they spent many hours at Issaquah Skydiving School when Sheridan brought the new members of the Boeing Skydiving Club there to use for training and as their dropzone. Sheridan could have enlisted Cossey as the right guy to be one of the Ground Men and holder of the loot and possibly the invester of the loot,
Now the rest of the story really gets far fetched. Could Sheridan have got mad at Cossey using up the invested loot in 40 years and came to visit him and talk eyeball to eyeball about what had happend? Then as they were talking in Cossey's garage and Cossey turn his back on Sheridan to walk back into the house, Sheridan is over come with anger and picks up a big red pipe wrench and hits Cossey in the back of his head. Not really meaning to kill him but hurt him? That is my far out remote viewing of how Cossey got killed. Then Sheridan could taken the wallet and large sum of money to make it look like a burglar did it. Would a burglar send the charge card back by dropping them in a mail box? That would have been what Sheridan would have done as he is really a nice guy, gentleman right? The other Ground Man could have been Duane Weber and that is what he told Jo when asked how he would have know where DB came out of the woods. Jo would rather think that Duane was DB and it would have been more impressive. Duane had a lot of radio gear in his car/Jo (typical of a CB or Ham nut) and would have been good at finding DB on the ground.
Anyway just some more thoughts,
Bob Sailshaw

Sailshaw's theory about Sheridan Peterson killing Earl Cossey is wildly speculative and I see no evidence supporting it.

However, I do agree with Sailshaw on one crucial point. I DO think Peterson and Cossey knew each other. You'd have to have been part of the skydiving community back then to know how small it was and how people using the same DZ knew just about everyone else who did, especially at the upper levels (expert D class licensees). Also Cossey was a national championship competitor and a rigger, someone every expert skydiver in the area would likely know. Peterson was a renegade jumper (banned from USPA for home made wing suit jumps) which would have gained him some notoriety. These weren't two rookies who could fade into the background in the NW jumping scene and be unnoticed. Just my opinion. I have no evidence that they knew each other.

377

It's not out of reason the FBI would have asked Cossey about Peterson. (and maybe conversely?). Somebody may have told Cossey Peterson was (being) considered - Cossey may have had some opinions about that. As you say, at these upper levels of 'awareness', everybody knows everyone and little goes unmentioned over time?

 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 22, 2015, 07:21:48 PM
The reverse is also intriguing: if the FBI didn't ask Cossey about Sheridan Peterson, then why not? Geoffrey Gray has shown us that the FBI embraced Coss early on, and included him in substantive discussion on who could have been the jumper, levels of expertise, etc.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 23, 2015, 08:14:37 PM
I put a little twist on some of the older Cooper newscasts. I tried to make them a little better than the old conventional way  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlCEufz1b7k
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 23, 2015, 08:15:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS_HuHIC638
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 23, 2015, 08:15:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9ULuIiRG3w
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Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 23, 2015, 09:37:35 PM
Delightful, as always.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on August 24, 2015, 07:22:26 PM
I remember that Cronkite newscast and wondering who among the skydiving community did the crime. It was a "sure thing" that it was one of us. No whuffo could have pulled it off we all thought.

Time passed and many jumpers claimed to have been interviewed by the FBI. I was hoping I'd be interviewed, but I was too young (22) and had blue eyes.

I think a lot of jumpers lied about being suspects. It was a badge of honor to be a NORJACK person of interest.

DC lawyer Fred Fielding rode the Deep Throat Watergate horse for years, denying it with a wink. Turned out Deep Throat was an FBI agent but that didn't stop Fred from getting invited to a lot of cocktail parties before the true Deep Throat was identified.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2003/04/was_fred_fielding_deep_throat.html

The favorite suspects picked by the West Coast skydiving crowd  included Teddy Mayfield and Bill Dause. Dause has been tagged as recently as 2012 as a Cooper suspect (half jokingly).

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_20965621/how-google-pulled-off-skydiving-stunt-san-francisco

377

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 24, 2015, 07:57:16 PM
How many in the community was Cooper's age?
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Post by: 377 on August 24, 2015, 08:41:51 PM
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How many in the community was Cooper's age?

Not sure, but when I started jumping in 1968 there were quite a few old guys (over 40 ;D) in the sport. They were the instructors, the experts, the people with lots of experience.

377

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Post by: Shutter on August 24, 2015, 09:50:58 PM
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How many in the community was Cooper's age?

Not sure, but when I started jumping in 1968 there were quite a few old guys (over 40 ;D) in the sport. They were the instructors, the experts, the people with lots of experience.

377


I'm a little over 50. I must be a real old guy  :P


So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....
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Post by: Robert99 on August 24, 2015, 10:53:36 PM
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How many in the community was Cooper's age?

Not sure, but when I started jumping in 1968 there were quite a few old guys (over 40 ;D) in the sport. They were the instructors, the experts, the people with lots of experience.

377


I'm a little over 50. I must be a real old guy  :P


So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....

All of my limited jumps were made in 1963-1964 and the oldest jumper I saw was probably in his very early 30s.  My instructor was about my age and was an engineer at NASA Langley.  He also had an FAA riggers license, and now has my autograph in his rigger's log book.   The number of jumpers was quite small and only two of the jumpers I knew even had a B license.  Interestingly enough, their B license numbers bracket Orange1's B license number.   
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Post by: nmiwrecks on August 25, 2015, 01:45:33 PM
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So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....
An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?   :o           ???            ;D
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Post by: georger on August 25, 2015, 02:11:45 PM
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So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....
An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?   :o           ???            ;D

Whoever or whatever he was, the FBI has gone out of its way to paint Cooper as a 'nobody' if not a 'chump' with no real skills. One fact seems inescapable: he arrived from the Moon unseen! Then disappears again into thin air, forever. Nine years later a few rotted bundles of his loot is found, in a place it should not be! No small wonder the FBI is tight lipped about the whole affair. The case may have international if not celestial extra-terrestrial ramifications! Should we look for Cooper on Pluto? Did New Horizons spot an unclaimed corpse or get-a-way vehicle there?

Cooper is not just a needle in a haystack hidden from view, but a grain of dust in the Cosmos never to be seen again!

Agents from Cuba, Moscow, or Mars probably have the 'nicotine delivery device butts'! There is no dna because species from wherever Cooper was from - have no dna! The dna on the tie is probably Himmeslbach's dna!

  :)
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Post by: Shutter on August 25, 2015, 08:56:31 PM
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So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....
An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?   :o           ???            ;D


I missed this post  :-[ that's a good thought! I've said the same about smoke jumpers. those guys are use to a lot of protection, so it would seem odd they would attempt this?
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Post by: 377 on August 26, 2015, 12:37:23 PM
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So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....
An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?   :o           ???            ;D


I missed this post  :-[ that's a good thought! I've said the same about smoke jumpers. those guys are use to a lot of protection, so it would seem odd they would attempt this?

I have many hundreds of jumps and have only had one where my helmet proved beneficial. I got kicked really hard in the head as an unstable freefall "magic carpet" formation broke up violently. I was nearly knocked unconscious. I think the helmet made the difference. Never needed it on a landing although it added a safety measure.

Goggles are helpful, but you can jump without them. My goggles were ripped from my face on exiting the DC 9 jet. My strap held them on and I was able to get them back over my eyes after a few seconds. I could see OK without them, but it was very uncomfortable having my eyes windblasted.

If Cooper planned to pull off the steps he wouldn't need goggles. Many jumpers still jump without helmets although it is a poor decision from a risk management point of view.

I used to jump with just sunglasses held on with a strap made of daisy chained rubber packing bands. It worked OK. Cooper had sunglasses.

Seems like the pure titanium and bismuth (if Cooper's) would dramatically narrow the list of suspects.

Bismuth was used as a machine tool cutting aid, so maybe Sheridan could have been exposed to it at Boeing?

"Steelmakers have worked hard to find a substitute for lead in free-machining steels. In the case of Ispat Inland, the company's brand of Incut steels uses bismuth as the substitute for lead. Machinability tests conducted comparing lead and bismuth additives are said to be equivalent.

The free-machining properties between bismuth and lead are similar because the two elements behave alike in the melt. Both are insoluble in steel and give lubrication in the cut. Bismuth actually distributes better in the melt than lead. It has a slightly lower melting temperature, 520º F. Bismuth has the environmental advantage over lead of not being toxic. Use of bismuth as a lead substitute in steel is proprietary to Ispat Inland."

http://www.productionmachining.com/articles/anatomy-of-free-machining-steel

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Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on August 26, 2015, 01:20:25 PM
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So, Agent Carr was incorrect by saying the sport wasn't like it is today with older people involved in the sport? I guess there is no reason he couldn't of been a instructor, in the past as well? they talked with Teddy....
An instructor who jumped at night wearing loafers and didn't request a helmet or goggles with his chutes?   :o           ???            ;D


I missed this post  :-[ that's a good thought! I've said the same about smoke jumpers. those guys are use to a lot of protection, so it would seem odd they would attempt this?

I have many hundreds of jumps and have only had one where my helmet proved beneficial. I got kicked really hard in the head as an unstable freefall "magic carpet" formation broke up violently. I was nearly knocked unconscious. I think the helmet made the difference. Never needed it on a landing although it added a safety measure.

Goggles are helpful, but you can jump without them. My goggles were ripped from my face on exiting the DC 9 jet. My strap held them on and I was able to get them back over my eyes after a few seconds. I could see OK without them, but it was very uncomfortable having my eyes windblasted.

If Cooper planned to pull off the steps he wouldn't need goggles. Many jumpers still jump without helmets although it is a poor decision from a risk management point of view.

I used to jump with just sunglasses held on with a strap made of daisy chained rubber packing bands. It worked OK. Cooper had sunglasses.

Seems like the pure titanium and bismuth (if Cooper's) would dramatically narrow the list of suspects.

Bismuth was used as a machine tool cutting aid, so maybe Sheridan could have been exposed to it at Boeing?

"Steelmakers have worked hard to find a substitute for lead in free-machining steels. In the case of Ispat Inland, the company's brand of Incut steels uses bismuth as the substitute for lead. Machinability tests conducted comparing lead and bismuth additives are said to be equivalent.

The free-machining properties between bismuth and lead are similar because the two elements behave alike in the melt. Both are insoluble in steel and give lubrication in the cut. Bismuth actually distributes better in the melt than lead. It has a slightly lower melting temperature, 520º F. Bismuth has the environmental advantage over lead of not being toxic. Use of bismuth as a lead substitute in steel is proprietary to Ispat Inland."

http://www.productionmachining.com/articles/anatomy-of-free-machining-steel

377

nice find ...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 26, 2015, 09:57:39 PM
Looks like I might get side swiped by a hurricane this week  :o :o
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on August 27, 2015, 10:26:14 AM
377,  You say:   "Bismuth was used as a machine tool cutting aid, so maybe Sheridan could have been exposed to it at Boeing?"

I say:  "Right On as Sheridan's office at Boeing was on the second floor just above the M & P Lab on the main floor of the 9-101 building"
That Materials and Processing Lab worked with all the findings found on Cooper's Tie and to me is a real pointer to Sheridan as he had to pass by (at least twice a day on way to his office) the Tub Skids containing all scrap and waist products that placed around the outside of the Lab and in the hallways. Had he bent over to look in the scrap tub skids, his tie could have dropped into the tub skids to pick-up the  materials found on the tie.
He is our man!
Bob Sailshaw
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on August 27, 2015, 02:19:01 PM
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377,  You say:   "Bismuth was used as a machine tool cutting aid, so maybe Sheridan could have been exposed to it at Boeing?"

I say:  "Right On as Sheridan's office at Boeing was on the second floor just above the M & P Lab on the main floor of the 9-101 building"
That Materials and Processing Lab worked with all the findings found on Cooper's Tie and to me is a real pointer to Sheridan as he had to pass by (at least twice a day on way to his office) the Tub Skids containing all scrap and waist products that placed around the outside of the Lab and in the hallways. Had he bent over to look in the scrap tub skids, his tie could have dropped into the tub skids to pick-up the  materials found on the tie.
He is our man!
Bob Sailshaw

The problem is Peterson does not fit the physical description.

Is there anyone else who worked in this area or who may have known Peterson ... who stole Peterson's tie!? That might explain the tie being left behind as a 'plant' to steer investigators toward Peterson or the Boeing work environment? Frankly I think that scenario is a weak argument mainly because Cooper left so many other items of evidence in addition to the tie. But the tie may have been somebody's who worked at Boeing and was stolen or borrowed ... while the rest of the evidence is Cooper's own sloppiness?

 
   
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on August 28, 2015, 11:27:09 AM
Georger  you say:  "The problem is Peterson does not fit the physical description."

I say:   What are you talking about. His eyes were identified as "brown" but that could been his only disguise to through off the FBI and Georger. Sheridan met all the descriptions except the eyes which were most likely covered with brown cosmetic lens (either store bought or home made) and explains why he wore sun glasses for most of the skyjacking and only prodadly showed off his "brown eyes" to the two Flight Attendants. Are the eyes the only physical description that you think does not match Peterson? He was six feet tall with olive complextion. right age, right build and an expert/instructor skydiver with the most knowledge of the 727 Aft Airstairs. The eyes were his only disguise using cosmetic lens..

Bob Sailsshaw
check out the match to the sketches
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 28, 2015, 10:34:26 PM
This storm coming is all over the place. it's going up the west side of Florida now...If it stays on that track we might get some wind around 30 mph....take cover  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on August 29, 2015, 12:11:48 AM
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This storm coming is all over the place. it's going up the west side of Florida now...If it stays on that track we might get some wind around 30 mph....take cover  ;D ;D ;D ;D

keep us posted -
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on August 29, 2015, 12:13:20 AM
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Georger  you say:  "The problem is Peterson does not fit the physical description."

I say:   What are you talking about. His eyes were identified as "brown" but that could been his only disguise to through off the FBI and Georger. Sheridan met all the descriptions except the eyes which were most likely covered with brown cosmetic lens (either store bought or home made) and explains why he wore sun glasses for most of the skyjacking and only prodadly showed off his "brown eyes" to the two Flight Attendants. Are the eyes the only physical description that you think does not match Peterson? He was six feet tall with olive complextion. right age, right build and an expert/instructor skydiver with the most knowledge of the 727 Aft Airstairs. The eyes were his only disguise using cosmetic lens..

Bob Sailsshaw
check out the match to the sketches

Lets let this wait for further evidence! . . .  :( :) :)

Tell us about his love affair with Mexico and Cuba and the basis of his anti-US sentiments - his grudge?

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 29, 2015, 07:41:41 AM
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This storm coming is all over the place. it's going up the west side of Florida now...If it stays on that track we might get some wind around 30 mph....take cover  ;D ;D ;D ;D

keep us posted -

Looks like I'm in the clear. however, Jo is going to get hit head on with the present course.....only tropical force whether, so it's not going to be very bad. winds would be 38-73 mph.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 29, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
One force of nature meets another.

Billy Waugh, noted SOG trooper, is also up in the panhandle. LMNO is gonna talk to him for their docu.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 29, 2015, 06:21:03 PM
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One force of nature meets another.

Billy Waugh, noted SOG trooper, is also up in the panhandle. LMNO is gonna talk to him for their docu.


The storm has died.....it's all over.....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on August 30, 2015, 12:04:34 AM
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One force of nature meets another.

Billy Waugh, noted SOG trooper, is also up in the panhandle. LMNO is gonna talk to him for their docu.

The storm has died.....it's all over.....

Good. Thank God.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on August 30, 2015, 01:26:28 AM
Georger:  You say :Lets let this wait for further evidence! ."

That is your answer when you cannot explain why you think Sheridan Peterson does not fit the description. What should wait is your lack of evidence.

I think you are not thinking before you shoot off your bad info to us! Try taking fewer grouch pills.

Bob Sailshaw
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2015, 01:49:25 AM
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One force of nature meets another.

Billy Waugh, noted SOG trooper, is also up in the panhandle. LMNO is gonna talk to him for their docu.

The storm has died.....it's all over.....

Good. Thank God.


What's left of the storm is rolling in now...windy, and heavy downpours..
Title: Teddy Mayfiefd killed in accident.
Post by: 377 on August 30, 2015, 03:26:53 AM
From dropzone.com posted by Jerry Baumchen

"Ted Mayfield, D-970 was killed yesterday at his home/airstrip in Sheridan, Oregon.

He was hand-propping an airplane when the engine caught and the airplane lept forward.

He started jumping in 1963 and ran dz's in various locations in Oregon for many years."

377
Title: Re: Teddy Mayfiefd killed in accident.
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2015, 11:15:50 AM
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From dropzone.com posted by Jerry Baumchen

"Ted Mayfield, D-970 was killed yesterday at his home/airstrip in Sheridan, Oregon.

He was hand-propping an airplane when the engine caught and the airplane lept forward.

He started jumping in 1963 and ran dz's in various locations in Oregon for many years."

377


Wow, thasnks for the info. I'll see what else can be found....sad indeed...
Title: Re: Teddy Mayfiefd killed in accident.
Post by: georger on August 30, 2015, 02:50:56 PM
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From dropzone.com posted by Jerry Baumchen

"Ted Mayfield, D-970 was killed yesterday at his home/airstrip in Sheridan, Oregon.

He was hand-propping an airplane when the engine caught and the airplane lept forward.

He started jumping in 1963 and ran dz's in various locations in Oregon for many years."

377


Wow, thasnks for the info. I'll see what else can be found....sad indeed...

Good grief!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2015, 03:25:42 PM
I looked earlier, but didn't find anything?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 30, 2015, 03:56:57 PM
Big News. I'm joining the hunt for more news. Will report back.

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2015, 04:12:19 PM
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Big News. I'm joining the hunt for more news. Will report back.

Nothing is showing up about Teddy? whats the deal?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 30, 2015, 05:11:26 PM
Death of Ted Mayfield - Initial Report:

I spoke with Ted Mayfield's daughter, Gwen, today in Sheridan. Initially, I spoke with Gwen's daughter, who passed the phone over to her mother. I could hear lots of voices in the background.

Gwen confirmed that Ted died from an accident with his airplane. She gave me details, and also a commentary on the family's interaction the night of November 24, 1971.  First, his death.

Gwen said that Ted died Friday, about 2:30 pm. He was hand-starting a plane located in his backyard and the prop caught, nearly severing his arm. Gwen said that Ted "just wanted to listen to the engine."

Because Ted had been taking a blood-thinning medicine called Warfarin, he bleed out within minutes.

"There were a lot of people around, and the paramedics were on the line, but there wasn't anything anyone could do," Gwen told me.

Although Gwen was cautious in talking with me initially, she eagerly shared her memories of the night DB Cooper stole his airplane.

"I was living in Bellevue at the time with my mother, and the skyjacking was all over the news. I told my mom, 'I gotta call Dad and see what he thinks!'

"I called my father and he was sitting right at his desk. He told me that the FBI had already called him looking for parachutes and that he had told them to call Earl Cossey. Then he said that he had to hang up because the FBI had just arrived and they wanted to go through his records.  He sounded very casual the whole time.

"Now, does that sound like someone who had just hijacked an airplane?"

Gwen also told me how she perceived her father.

"He was a good man, benevolent. He was a man of good will."

I countered and said that a lot of people had a different view of her father.

"We can argue about that all day long," she said laughing.

We also argued about the skyjacking.

"I have a theory on what happened to skyjacker," she said. "I think that when he opened the stairwell doors the air rushed out and pulled him into the stairway, where he hit his head and fell down the stairs unconscious. I don't think he ever opened his chute, and that's why his body has never been found and the money was scattered down by the river."

Again, I countered with my facts and said, "Then what happened to the bomb, the briefcase, the other parachute - all the stuff that wasn't found on the plane at Reno?"

"Well, you have your opinion and I have mine, and we can argue all day long if you want to!" she said. "I'm just as bull-headed as my father," she added playfully, but firmly.

We both laughed, and she eventually took my contact information. I confirmed her name, but she declined to give me her last name.

I thanked her, and reluctantly hung up. Gwen was certainly a font of good stories and sharp opinions.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2015, 05:24:20 PM
Thanks Bruce....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 30, 2015, 06:39:22 PM
The full story on Ted Mayfield is posted on the Mountain News.

http://themountainnewswa.net/2015/08/30/db-cooper-suspect-ted-mayfield-killed-in-aviation-accident/
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2015, 06:45:26 PM
The press isn't interested?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 30, 2015, 07:45:28 PM
You mean, the other press?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on August 30, 2015, 07:56:49 PM
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You mean, the other press?

Usually, the news station will at least post it on there sites...you seem to be the only one...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on August 31, 2015, 10:40:54 AM
Shutter:  I asked Bruce Smith how tall was Ted Mayfield and the answer was "5ft 3inch."
 Too short to be DB Cooper! End of that discussion!

Bob Sailshaw
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on August 31, 2015, 11:10:31 AM
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The full story on Ted Mayfield is posted on the Mountain News.

http://themountainnewswa.net/2015/08/30/db-cooper-suspect-ted-mayfield-killed-in-aviation-accident/
Good job, Bruce.  Here's an interesting news piece on Mr, Mayfield, may he rest in peace:
The Real DB Cooper? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dat-UPEB15M)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on August 31, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
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Georger  you say:  "The problem is Peterson does not fit the physical description."

I say:   What are you talking about. His eyes were identified as "brown" but that could been his only disguise to through off the FBI and Georger. Sheridan met all the descriptions except the eyes which were most likely covered with brown cosmetic lens (either store bought or home made) and explains why he wore sun glasses for most of the skyjacking and only prodadly showed off his "brown eyes" to the two Flight Attendants. Are the eyes the only physical description that you think does not match Peterson? He was six feet tall with olive complextion. right age, right build and an expert/instructor skydiver with the most knowledge of the 727 Aft Airstairs. The eyes were his only disguise using cosmetic lens..

Bob Sailsshaw
check out the match to the sketches
Sailshaw, what year was this photo of Peterson taken?  I think we discussed it before, but I can't find the post.  Thanks.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on August 31, 2015, 04:08:07 PM
"Gwen said that Ted died Friday, about 2:30 pm. He was hand-starting a plane located in his backyard and the prop caught, nearly severing his arm. Gwen said that Ted "just wanted to listen to the engine." Because Ted had been taking a blood-thinning medicine called Warfarin, he bleed out within minutes."

What a shame. I wonder if a quickly applied tourniquet might have saved his life?

RIP

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on August 31, 2015, 04:38:51 PM
I've wondered that as well, 377. I guess it speaks to the nature of the injury and how it occurred.  Was Ted E lying on the ground and in a position to receive a tourniquet? And where on the arm was the injury. Up by the shoulder doesn't give much for a tourniquet to be applied.

AS always, what captured my attention most is the view Gwen had of her dad, and the fierceness she displayed in protecting that image of her father.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 03, 2015, 09:27:14 PM
A friend of Ted's a pilot by the name of Trig Johnston, is going to meet for a cup of coffee to discuss Tom Bohan. They were friends and fellow pilots. Trig says he's got some important and pertinent information on the events of November 24, 1971.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 03, 2015, 11:24:34 PM
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A friend of Ted's a pilot by the name of Trig Johnston, is going to meet for a cup of coffee to discuss Tom Bohan. They were friends and fellow pilots. Trig says he's got some important and pertinent information on the events of November 24, 1971.

I thot we heard from this guy before ??? 
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on September 04, 2015, 12:27:49 AM
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A friend of Ted's a pilot by the name of Trig Johnston, is going to meet for a cup of coffee to discuss Tom Bohan. They were friends and fellow pilots. Trig says he's got some important and pertinent information on the events of November 24, 1971.

I thot we heard from this guy before ???

Not from Captain Bohan.

Bruce, see if Johnston has any information on where Captain Bohan's famous headwind came from.  And perhaps you could inquire if Johnston has an explanation as to why the actual measured weather on November 24th, 1971 doesn't support Bohan's claims.

And if Bohan actually flew from Seattle to Portland at the same time NWA 305 was passing through that area headed for Reno, maybe Johnston could come up with some of Bohan's log entries.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 04, 2015, 01:25:15 AM
He suggests that we ask Bohan's widow to make copies of his log book to better understand what was going on. I concur.

Trig believes that Ted Mayfield was set up and harassed by the FBI and FAA for reasons that are not clear to me. He says he will tell me the full story over coffee. (Sigh.)

I will certainly delve into the reported 80 knot wind gusts from 165 degrees and how the Continental flight was allowed to creep up on 305's tail when so many other planes were kept on the ground for hours, such as Everett Johnson's craft.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 04, 2015, 01:54:06 AM
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He suggests that we ask Bohan's widow to make copies of his log book to better understand what was going on. I concur.

Trig believes that Ted Mayfield was set up and harassed by the FBI and FAA for reasons that are not clear to me. He says he will tell me the full story over coffee. (Sigh.)

I will certainly delve into the reported 80 knot wind gusts from 165 degrees and how the Continental flight was allowed to creep up on 305's tail when so many other planes were kept on the ground for hours, such as Everett Johnson's craft.

Bohan's wife has none of her husband's flight logs etc! Why would she!? She never had. Nada! We went over all of this years ago ... its a dead end. Go back and read the thread at DZ!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2015, 09:26:06 AM
I have been working with a few people off this forum related to the Cooper case. today I will upload files that were taken from Harold Campbell. he was the agent in charge in Reno. they have valuable information that should answer some questions, and still leave us hanging on others.

The files will be in a PDF form. credit needs to go to Reichenbach. he's one of several I was conversing with, and should be known as the man of the year for his dedication in trying to help improve our research into this case. (applause required  8))

The files will be uploaded onto the new website. they will be on the "Cooper Vault" page... currently the sports page.


Upate: I've changed the page name to the Cooper Vault as mentioned above. the page can be found on the menu under "about us"

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on September 04, 2015, 09:53:55 AM
Shutter   Can any of your new FBI contacts work toward getting the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters sent to the newspapers just following NORJAC? Then comparing the DNA with what they have already from Sheridan Peterson taken by the two female agents. A match with Sheridan will prove he was in the Portland area the scene of the crime and not in Nepal per his phony alibi. Not telling the truth to the FBI is a Federal crime and could be used to bargain with him for a confession about being DB Cooper.

Bob Sailshaw
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2015, 10:01:56 AM
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Shutter   Can any of your new FBI contacts work toward getting the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters sent to the newspapers just following NORJAC? Then comparing the DNA with what they have already from Sheridan Peterson taken by the two female agents. A match with Sheridan will prove he was in the Portland area the scene of the crime and not in Nepal per his phony alibi. Not telling the truth to the FBI is a Federal crime and could be used to bargain with him for a confession about being DB Cooper.

Bob Sailshaw


I don't think these guys have any direct links to the FBI. they are just a couple of damn good research guys who seem to be able to get things most can not. I'm just trying to do my part to help get the case up to date, and bring what ever I can to the table to help us try and figure out what happened on November 24, 1971....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2015, 10:14:36 AM
I guess a direct link would help :-[

http://website.thedbcooperforum.com/Cooper-Vault/
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 04, 2015, 01:17:32 PM
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Shutter   Can any of your new FBI contacts work toward getting the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters sent to the newspapers just following NORJAC? Then comparing the DNA with what they have already from Sheridan Peterson taken by the two female agents. A match with Sheridan will prove he was in the Portland area the scene of the crime and not in Nepal per his phony alibi. Not telling the truth to the FBI is a Federal crime and could be used to bargain with him for a confession about being DB Cooper.

Bob Sailshaw

377 is an attorney. He could file in your behalf a formal petition to have the dna checked. Have you ever thought about that route vs obsessive pestering the hell out of people here who can do nothing!?
 ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on September 04, 2015, 01:58:31 PM
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Shutter   Can any of your new FBI contacts work toward getting the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps of the four letters sent to the newspapers just following NORJAC? Then comparing the DNA with what they have already from Sheridan Peterson taken by the two female agents. A match with Sheridan will prove he was in the Portland area the scene of the crime and not in Nepal per his phony alibi. Not telling the truth to the FBI is a Federal crime and could be used to bargain with him for a confession about being DB Cooper.

Bob Sailshaw

377 is an attorney. He could file in your behalf a formal petition to have the dna checked. Have you ever thought about that route vs obsessive pestering the hell out of people here who can do nothing!?
 ;D

+ 2.5  :-*
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2015, 02:47:16 PM
Are the files accessible? I haven't heard anything from anyone. uploading PDF files is new to me, so I'm having a little trouble getting them embedded onto the site, so I put direct links to them.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 04, 2015, 07:48:38 PM
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Bohan's wife has none of her husband's flight logs etc! Why would she!? She never had. Nada! We went over all of this years ago ... its a dead end. Go back and read the thread at DZ!

Bohan's widow told me she had her husband's flight logs, and remembers him telling his story of November 24, 1971.  "We went over all of this years ago."  Really? You mean, you went over this years ago and made your pontifical announcement back then?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 04, 2015, 07:49:45 PM
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Are the files accessible? I haven't heard anything from anyone. uploading PDF files is new to me, so I'm having a little trouble getting them embedded onto the site, so I put direct links to them.

I read them fine. They are a treasure. Thanks!  Gracie mille, as they dice alla Roma.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 04, 2015, 10:48:04 PM
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Are the files accessible? I haven't heard anything from anyone. uploading PDF files is new to me, so I'm having a little trouble getting them embedded onto the site, so I put direct links to them.

Hi all -- hope everyone is doing good.... guess we haven't solved the case yet, Huh?
I was able to read the files - 6 files, correct? Good stuff. My FAA and FBI foia went absolutely nowhere.... Good stuff! glad to see someone has connections :))

So...At first read, Some observations and items of interest:
#1 = 2nd Officer (Bill R.??),
#2 = 3rd officer (Anderson??),
#3 = Tina at time of hijacking,
#4 = Captain Scott,
#5 = Tina - Dec 1,2, in PA
#6 = Flo pgs 21-26 and Alice, # 54-56

1. One of the hostesses, I think on one of the Tina interviews said she saw bank bands around the money, not rubber bands.
2. He requested maps??
3. They didn't think to pinpoint exact location of "oscillation" - but they were around suburbs of Portland..I know we've heard this before but it just further makes one wonder about how they came up with the search area that they ended  up with..
4. What's up with the 2nd and 3rd officer designations....If who they are calling the 3rd officer is Anderson, I don't think I've ever read where he had that much to say about it -- that interview sounds more like Bill R. Am I mis-reading something?
I've got more, but these are good to start.....thoughts?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2015, 11:05:45 PM
I'm not sure what maps he requested. it seems that would give a good idea as to his intentions. I don't think they were aviation maps since he didn't care other than to fly south. the big question is whether they are talking about the oscillation, or the pressure bump...nobody mentions a word about the bump....how about the green paper bag?


Added" Hi Smokin, glad to see ya back...forgive my manners, I'm doing several things here at one time, and it really isn't working out to well  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 04, 2015, 11:25:03 PM
The "bank bands" are interesting. Carr mentioned that they were rubber bands per they guy who bundled them? Georger can fill this in a little better, but why would she call them bank bands over average everyday rubber bands?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 12:02:15 AM
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I'm not sure what maps he requested. it seems that would give a good idea as to his intentions. I don't think they were aviation maps since he didn't care other than to fly south. the big question is whether they are talking about the oscillation, or the pressure bump...nobody mentions a word about the bump....how about the green paper bag?


Added" Hi Smokin, glad to see ya back...forgive my manners, I'm doing several things here at one time, and it really isn't working out to well  ;D ;D ;D

Green bag...Marshall Fields :)
Further confirmation that they had at least one potential opportunity to leave the plane and the hijacker...but that could be Monday morning quarterbacking.
"Uncirculated" US bills and "small" bills was both mentioned -- I think that what we've been told about his lack of specificity in money demands might have been misleading.....
I also thought it was interesting that she said he talked like he knew the plane could take off with door open and stairs down, but yet he didn't know how to operate them....that smacks of someone that might have seen the open doors in use, but not from the stance of one familiar enough to know how to operate.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 12:11:13 AM
One of my favorites is "the plane was in the right place, at the right time"

Was he looking for a 727? apparently, Northwest wasn't the target. kinda shoots another hole in the KC saga...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 12:13:37 AM
And the "pleasant place"
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 12:18:58 AM
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Bohan's wife has none of her husband's flight logs etc! Why would she!? She never had. Nada! We went over all of this years ago ... its a dead end. Go back and read the thread at DZ!

Bohan's widow told me she had her husband's flight logs, and remembers him telling his story of November 24, 1971.  "We went over all of this years ago."  Really? You mean, you went over this years ago and made your pontifical announcement back then?

So call her and let's see what you come up with.  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 05, 2015, 12:33:31 AM
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So...At first read, Some observations and items of interest:
#1 = 2nd Officer (Bill R.??),
#2 = 3rd officer (Anderson??),
#3 = Tina at time of hijacking,
#4 = Captain Scott,
#5 = Tina - Dec 1,2, in PA
#6 = Flo pgs 21-26 and Alice, # 54-56

Yup, Smok - that's how I read the transcripts:

Second Officer was Bill Rataczak on page 1; third officer was HE Anderson on page 2. Page 3 was Tina's debrief in Reno, while page 5 is a second debrief in Trevose, Pennsylvania, which is her home town, north of Philly.

Captain Scott had zip to say on Page 4. Boy, that was revealing!!! Page 6 is a combo of Flo, first, and then Alice Hancock at the end. I spent all afternoon reading and taking notes.

Thanks, so much Shut and Reichenbach. I do believe these transcripts are the ones that Geoffrey Gray drew his information from for his book. Very solid stuff.
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Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 12:38:04 AM
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Are the files accessible? I haven't heard anything from anyone. uploading PDF files is new to me, so I'm having a little trouble getting them embedded onto the site, so I put direct links to them.

Hi all -- hope everyone is doing good.... guess we haven't solved the case yet, Huh?
I was able to read the files - 6 files, correct? Good stuff. My FAA and FBI foia went absolutely nowhere.... Good stuff! glad to see someone has connections :))

So...At first read, Some observations and items of interest:
#1 = 2nd Officer (Bill R.??),
#2 = 3rd officer (Anderson??),
#3 = Tina at time of hijacking,
#4 = Captain Scott,
#5 = Tina - Dec 1,2, in PA
#6 = Flo pgs 21-26 and Alice, # 54-56

1. One of the hostesses, I think on one of the Tina interviews said she saw bank bands around the money, not rubber bands.
2. He requested maps??
3. They didn't think to pinpoint exact location of "oscillation" - but they were around suburbs of Portland..I know we've heard this before but it just further makes one wonder about how they came up with the search area that they ended  up with..
4. What's up with the 2nd and 3rd officer designations....If who they are calling the 3rd officer is Anderson, I don't think I've ever read where he had that much to say about it -- that interview sounds more like Bill R. Am I mis-reading something?
I've got more, but these are good to start.....thoughts?

1) She doesn't specify 'paper' bands vs rubber bands - just "bank bands" which could be anything.  If you recall Larry found and talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles at the bank that day - he used rubber bands not paper bands. The team had to get this nailed down and Larry apparently did. Larry/we discussed this with Ingram and Ingram's mother who says "definitely rubber bands, not paper".

2) Yes, somebody requested maps. Did Mucklow give Cooper maps he requested? Maps were brought on with crew meals. Cooper requested meals for the crew. So who requested the maps and which maps? Because in the PI Transcript it refers to 'you should have the maps .. we sent up maps'. The crew was going to be given flight maps in any event. Maps needs clarification.

3) "in the suburbs of Portland" fits with what Larry said Rataczak told him.

4) 1st officer: Scott      2nd officer: Bill Rataczak      3rd officer & Flight Engineer: Harold 'Andy' Anderson.
I think there may be some confusion in these interviews as to who is saying what, being interviewed, and the references may be mixed ... interviews may even be mixed? Im not sure at this point but I know the confusion you are talking about. One witnesses is interviewed at her home in PA (Mucklow or Schaffner ?). Anderson has given very few interviews since the hijacking. It was Anderson who went on the test flight and confirmed 'oscillations vs bump'.
Again, Harold Anderson is the 3rd officer/Flight Engineer.

 


 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 12:44:57 AM
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2) Yes, somebody requested maps. Did Mucklow give Cooper maps he requested? Maps were brought on with crew meals. Cooper requested meals for the crew. So who requested the maps and which maps? Because in the PI Transcript it refers to 'you should have the maps .. we sent up maps'. The crew was going to be given flight maps in any event. Maps needs clarification.


I believe the crew asked for maps, and plates. plates are an aviation term. they give them the information needed to land at any given airport. could there request somehow have gotten onto the list of Cooper's demands?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 12:52:45 AM
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I'm not sure what maps he requested. it seems that would give a good idea as to his intentions. I don't think they were aviation maps since he didn't care other than to fly south. the big question is whether they are talking about the oscillation, or the pressure bump...nobody mentions a word about the bump....how about the green paper bag?


Added" Hi Smokin, glad to see ya back...forgive my manners, I'm doing several things here at one time, and it really isn't working out to well  ;D ;D ;D

Green bag...Marshall Fields :)
Further confirmation that they had at least one potential opportunity to leave the plane and the hijacker...but that could be Monday morning quarterbacking.
"Uncirculated" US bills and "small" bills was both mentioned -- I think that what we've been told about his lack of specificity in money demands might have been misleading.....
I also thought it was interesting that she said he talked like he knew the plane could take off with door open and stairs down, but yet he didn't know how to operate them....that smacks of someone that might have seen the open doors in use, but not from the stance of one familiar enough to know how to operate.

Yes! Small Green Paper Bag.  ;D  What happened to the "small brown paper bag" ?  Funny!  I may be losing my mind here but didn't Joe say something once about a "small green paper bag" ?  Oh God I hope not!  :)

I also caught the issue of his technical knowledge of the plane, rear door and stairs, and I wonder if Mucklow would be a good judge of who has technical knowledge of flying, the 727 in particular, etc? There is something about this that doesn't resonate with me. It comes down whether Mucklow would be a good judge of technical knowledge or not because if you note she says this was her general impression but she can;t cite specifics much beyond  "he knew where the oxygen bottles were" which turns out to be "he said he knew where the oxygen bottles were but there is nothing saying "he showed Mucklow where the oxygen bottles were" ? It's all a little vague, to me.

One point I do want to make about these "transcriptions": they are very redundant and full of legalese and FBI speak at times. How many times *at this time* do you need to identify who it is that's being identified, who you have already identified 40 times, in a kind of double-speak redundancy. That superfluous FBI speak and it frankly works to confuse the reader at time, for my taste! Oh well. *At this time I will post this *at this time, at this time! That's an example of what I am talking about ...
       
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 12:57:39 AM
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One of my favorites is "the plane was in the right place, at the right time"

Was he looking for a 727? apparently, Northwest wasn't the target. kinda shoots another hole in the KC saga...

And, maybe it was - literally! And if that is the case, well, this is a crime of opportunity and may not have been completely planned out. It may not be anyone from the State of Washington or Oregon but some outsider passing through. It almost sounds like somebody looking for a ride home ... to Cuba with $200,000 in Negotiable US currency?  :D :D  Going to a "pleasant place"?   ;)  This guy was on vacation, ran out of money, and needed a ride home to .... Havana ... he he brings up HAVANA to Mucklow!  :D   Would Kenny be talking about "pleasant place Havana"?

I think these transcripts swing the doors wide open on who and what Cooper was.

 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 12:58:32 AM
Jo stated something green hanging from his leg, or something to that effect. it's in the Carr files from WSHS.
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Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 12:59:42 AM
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So...At first read, Some observations and items of interest:
#1 = 2nd Officer (Bill R.??),
#2 = 3rd officer (Anderson??),
#3 = Tina at time of hijacking,
#4 = Captain Scott,
#5 = Tina - Dec 1,2, in PA
#6 = Flo pgs 21-26 and Alice, # 54-56

Yup, Smok - that's how I read the transcripts:

Second Officer was Bill Rataczak on page 1; third officer was HE Anderson on page 2. Page 3 was Tina's debrief in Reno, while page 5 is a second debrief in Trevose, Pennsylvania, which is her home town, north of Philly.

Captain Scott had zip to say on Page 4. Boy, that was revealing!!! Page 6 is a combo of Flo, first, and then Alice Hancock at the end. I spent all afternoon reading and taking notes.

Thanks, so much Shut and Reichenbach. I do believe these transcripts are the ones that Geoffrey Gray drew his information from for his book. Very solid stuff.

I made the same connection for Gray and what Im reading here based on Gray's conversation with me about the search etc at Reno ... but I could be wrong? The source of wavy (marcelled) hair, brown suit, etc etc...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 01:01:54 AM
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Jo stated something green hanging from his leg, or something to that effect. it's in the Carr files from WSHS.

Where did she get that! ??? Seems like too much of a coincidence?

No mention of a "small brown paper bag". The brown bag has become green!  ;)  I love it!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 01:05:24 AM
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2) Yes, somebody requested maps. Did Mucklow give Cooper maps he requested? Maps were brought on with crew meals. Cooper requested meals for the crew. So who requested the maps and which maps? Because in the PI Transcript it refers to 'you should have the maps .. we sent up maps'. The crew was going to be given flight maps in any event. Maps needs clarification.


I believe the crew asked for maps, and plates. plates are an aviation term. they give them the information needed to land at any given airport. could there request somehow have gotten onto the list of Cooper's demands?

Somebody suggested and sent the crew meals and maps. Did Cooper ask for these things?

I may be missing it so probably shouldnt say this but, I do not recall reading anything about Mucklow bringing Cooper 'maps he requested' - I will go back and look. Maybe I missed this.



 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 01:07:01 AM
He had cash on him. paid with a 20 for the ticket, and paid for his drink with a twenty having to wait for change  :o

He had at least two twenties while entering the plane, and 10,000 when he exited the plane  8)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 01:10:46 AM
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1) She doesn't specify 'paper' bands vs rubber bands - just "bank bands" which could be anything.  If you recall Larry found and talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles at the bank that day - he used rubber bands not paper bands. The team had to get this nailed down and Larry apparently did. Larry/we discussed this with Ingram and Ingram's mother who says "definitely rubber bands, not paper".



"Bank-type bands" is what she said in the document....I don't know...when I hear the word bank-type band, I think of the paper bands that go around packs of money.... I realize what Larry and Ingram said....though there is nothing that rules out a mixture -- maybe some of the money was held together by paper bank-type bands and some of it was held together with rubber bands....and she only saw the bank type bands .
It's just interesting that she made the distinction...rubber band is a rubber band.....you might have small ones or large ones, but I've not heard of a "bank-type" rubber band.
Then there's also the interesting aspect that someone said he requested small bills. Didn't Larry say that he did not specify type of bills.. 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on September 05, 2015, 01:14:31 AM
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Are the files accessible? I haven't heard anything from anyone. uploading PDF files is new to me, so I'm having a little trouble getting them embedded onto the site, so I put direct links to them.

Hi all -- hope everyone is doing good.... guess we haven't solved the case yet, Huh?
I was able to read the files - 6 files, correct? Good stuff. My FAA and FBI foia went absolutely nowhere.... Good stuff! glad to see someone has connections :))

So...At first read, Some observations and items of interest:
#1 = 2nd Officer (Bill R.??),
#2 = 3rd officer (Anderson??),
#3 = Tina at time of hijacking,
#4 = Captain Scott,
#5 = Tina - Dec 1,2, in PA
#6 = Flo pgs 21-26 and Alice, # 54-56

1. One of the hostesses, I think on one of the Tina interviews said she saw bank bands around the money, not rubber bands.
2. He requested maps??
3. They didn't think to pinpoint exact location of "oscillation" - but they were around suburbs of Portland..I know we've heard this before but it just further makes one wonder about how they came up with the search area that they ended  up with..
4. What's up with the 2nd and 3rd officer designations....If who they are calling the 3rd officer is Anderson, I don't think I've ever read where he had that much to say about it -- that interview sounds more like Bill R. Am I mis-reading something?
I've got more, but these are good to start.....thoughts?

1) She doesn't specify 'paper' bands vs rubber bands - just "bank bands" which could be anything.  If you recall Larry found and talked to the guy who wrapped the bundles at the bank that day - he used rubber bands not paper bands. The team had to get this nailed down and Larry apparently did. Larry/we discussed this with Ingram and Ingram's mother who says "definitely rubber bands, not paper".

2) Yes, somebody requested maps. Did Mucklow give Cooper maps he requested? Maps were brought on with crew meals. Cooper requested meals for the crew. So who requested the maps and which maps? Because in the PI Transcript it refers to 'you should have the maps .. we sent up maps'. The crew was going to be given flight maps in any event. Maps needs clarification.

3) "in the suburbs of Portland" fits with what Larry said Rataczak told him.

4) 1st officer: Scott      2nd officer: Bill Rataczak      3rd officer & Flight Engineer: Harold 'Andy' Anderson.
I think there may be some confusion in these interviews as to who is saying what, being interviewed, and the references may be mixed ... interviews may even be mixed? Im not sure at this point but I know the confusion you are talking about. One witnesses is interviewed at her home in PA (Mucklow or Schaffner ?). Anderson has given very few interviews since the hijacking. It was Anderson who went on the test flight and confirmed 'oscillations vs bump'.
Again, Harold Anderson is the 3rd officer/Flight Engineer.

Keep in mind that Harold Anderson was also a rated co-pilot (same as Rataczak) on that flight.  In the early 1970s, major airlines starting positions in three man cockpits were for pilots who also had a flight engineer rating.  Typically, the new hire would start as a flight engineer and then move up to co-pilot as circumstances permitted.  During the off-season winter months, the new hires would probably face lay offs due to their low number on the very scared seniority list.  Consequently, he might elect to fly as a flight engineer and that would bump a new hire with an even lower seniority number.  And my guess is that is why Anderson had three stripes and was flying as a flight engineer on that specific flight.  Anderson and Rataczak both later became NWA Captains.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 01:36:15 AM
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2) Yes, somebody requested maps. Did Mucklow give Cooper maps he requested? Maps were brought on with crew meals. Cooper requested meals for the crew. So who requested the maps and which maps? Because in the PI Transcript it refers to 'you should have the maps .. we sent up maps'. The crew was going to be given flight maps in any event. Maps needs clarification.

I believe the crew asked for maps, and plates. plates are an aviation term. they give them the information needed to land at any given airport. could there request somehow have gotten onto the list of Cooper's demands?

Somebody suggested and sent the crew meals and maps. Did Cooper ask for these things?

I may be missing it so probably shouldnt say this but, I do not recall reading anything about Mucklow bringing Cooper 'maps he requested' - I will go back and look. Maybe I missed this.
 

Alice interview(#6, pgs 54-56) -- "He wanted maps" she did not know specifics...I think she also said he requested crew meals.
Tina interview - "After getting the  money and chutes, she told him had crew meals and maps, requested permission to go get them, He said yes, and she did, returning the items and taking the seat next to him"..... yes..kind of confusing.... did they mean returning "with" the items? She wasn't returning them, she was getting them so returning "with" makes more sense 44 years later.. :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 01:46:02 AM
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One point I do want to make about these "transcriptions": they are very redundant and full of legalese and FBI speak at times. How many times *at this time* do you need to identify who it is that's being identified, who you have already identified 40 times, in a kind of double-speak redundancy. That superfluous FBI speak and it frankly works to confuse the reader at time, for my taste! Oh well. *At this time I will post this *at this time, at this time! That's an example of what I am talking about ...
     

At this time, Georger, I have to say that I agree with this assessment, at this time. :)
I also wish they consistently reported in the first person as in.... Miss redacted stated "I did this and I said that", as opposed to all of the she pronouns......tends to make you lose track of who "she" is...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 01:48:26 AM
I still think the maps are for the crew.....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 01:51:09 AM
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I still think the maps are for the crew.....

Maybe so, I'll keep reading for context, but it was pretty straightforward... three words in the interview..."He wanted Maps"
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Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 01:57:43 AM
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I still think the maps are for the crew.....

Maybe so, I'll keep reading for context, but it was pretty straightforward... three words in the interview..."He wanted Maps"

He might have wanted to able to check where best place to land for fuel since seems they were going back and forth on this issue....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 01:59:11 AM
I'm looking at the old transcripts. I recall them stating they didn't have any maps, or plates. I found one statement so far. "we haven't got the maps out here and haven't had a chance to look at it....end quote.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 02:08:24 AM
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I'm looking at the old transcripts. I recall them stating they didn't have any maps, or plates. I found one statement so far. "we haven't got the maps out here and haven't had a chance to look at it....end quote.

I know, but it just sounds like he was in more of the loop about the decision of where they were going than we've been led to believe. In the interviews, it is written as if they are discussing landing stop with the hijacker and he wanted maps.
I get the feeling that events were a lot more fluid than the way they read off of the transcripts.... but I've not gotten out my hi-lighter yet and read the interviews with the transcripts in hand....so I might be reading it wrong..

But hey, I'm just glad that someone got this to you and you posted it....we need something new on the case to delve into - keep it interesting...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 02:08:30 AM
Found another entry (see photo)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 02:10:01 AM
It's possible he asked for them, but keep in mind that Flo was in the cockpit taking notes. perhaps she got confused, I don't know?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 02:14:17 AM
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It's possible he asked for them, but keep in mind that Flo was in the cockpit taking notes. perhaps she got confused, I don't know?

Could be..though I think it was from Alice's interview.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 02:16:05 AM
If it's not a mix up. the FBI held this part back....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 02:23:14 AM
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I'm looking at the old transcripts. I recall them stating they didn't have any maps, or plates. I found one statement so far. "we haven't got the maps out here and haven't had a chance to look at it....end quote.

I know, but it just sounds like he was in more of the loop about the decision of where they were going than we've been led to believe. In the interviews, it is written as if they are discussing landing stop with the hijacker and he wanted maps.
I get the feeling that events were a lot more fluid than the way they read off of the transcripts.... but I've not gotten out my hi-lighter yet and read the interviews with the transcripts in hand....so I might be reading it wrong..

But hey, I'm just glad that someone got this to you and you posted it....we need something new on the case to delve into - keep it interesting...

Either Flo or Tina say in the new pages they had the feeling he had no firm destination in mind ? His original request is Mexico City. Second request: anywhere in Mexico. Must not stop anywhere in the USA He even mentions Havana. He is then quick to reassure Tina they are not going to Havana.

Somehow this 'technical expert' on the 727 and avionics screwed up on simple fuel consumption and mileage of a 727 in the config he himself ordered. Doesnt sound like a technical expert to me!  Fact is he requested places unreachable!

That doesn't sound like somebody with a firm destination in mind? It almost sounds like a wacko out for a joy ride? San Francisco and Phoenix get rejected - he settles on Reno suggested by the crew.

Given this wobbling around in uncertainty and lack of very basic technical knowledge, what good are maps to him if he doen't even have a destination! ???    :) Maybe he is someone who except for a few cities doesn't know the United States well? But he does seem to know Mexico and says very clearly he wants to go there; his first choice.

Most incredibly of all, he says they will go to a pleasant place which could be the Minnesota Vikings game for all anyone knows!

[edit] Here's the quote; " _____ said the man spoke of going to Mexico City, Phoenix, or San Francisco. She said that he did not appear to know exactly where he was destined for.  She asked if they (stews) were going to go with him but he did not reply. She finally asked if the stews could leave the plane and the man replied”Sure go ahead” in a calm uninterested manner.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 02:39:39 AM
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Bohan's wife has none of her husband's flight logs etc! Why would she!? She never had. Nada! We went over all of this years ago ... its a dead end. Go back and read the thread at DZ!

Bohan's widow told me she had her husband's flight logs, and remembers him telling his story of November 24, 1971.  "We went over all of this years ago."  Really? You mean, you went over this years ago and made your pontifical announcement back then?

This is news! When did she tell you she had his log books? In your previous posts at DZ all you said was, quote: "Sharon promised me that she would peruse Tom’s log books and find the names of his flight crew for that night. She confirmed that Captain Bohan was flying a 727 from Sea-Tac to Portland, and was a few minutes behind Flight 305."

Pursuing is not having.

"She also said that Tom became a “good friend” of Ralph Himmelsbach.

Captain Bohan was a big fan of the DB Cooper caper, and Sharon said they went to the Ariel Tavern on several occasions for the Cooper Daze Festival, and that they frequently roamed the woods looking for evidence of DB Cooper.
(This post was edited by BruceSmith on Jan 30, 2012, 3:28 PM)"


 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 10:24:31 AM
"at this point, she gave him a paper sheet giving instructions on how to jump and she said he didn't need that"

He also had opened the reserve chute before all the chutes were on board.

Seeing Cooper tying the money to his waste wasn't the last noted evidence before closing the curtain. she pleaded with him to take the bomb. he stated he would either take it with him, or disarm it..
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Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 10:33:20 AM
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I'm looking at the old transcripts. I recall them stating they didn't have any maps, or plates. I found one statement so far. "we haven't got the maps out here and haven't had a chance to look at it....end quote.

I know, but it just sounds like he was in more of the loop about the decision of where they were going than we've been led to believe. In the interviews, it is written as if they are discussing landing stop with the hijacker and he wanted maps.
I get the feeling that events were a lot more fluid than the way they read off of the transcripts.... but I've not gotten out my hi-lighter yet and read the interviews with the transcripts in hand....so I might be reading it wrong..

But hey, I'm just glad that someone got this to you and you posted it....we need something new on the case to delve into - keep it interesting...

Either Flo or Tina say in the new pages they had the feeling he had no firm destination in mind ? His original request is Mexico City. Second request: anywhere in Mexico. Must not stop anywhere in the USA He even mentions Havana. He is then quick to reassure Tina they are not going to Havana.

Somehow this 'technical expert' on the 727 and avionics screwed up on simple fuel consumption and mileage of a 727 in the config he himself ordered. Doesnt sound like a technical expert to me!  Fact is he requested places unreachable!

That doesn't sound like somebody with a firm destination in mind? It almost sounds like a wacko out for a joy ride? San Francisco and Phoenix get rejected - he settles on Reno suggested by the crew.

Given this wobbling around in uncertainty and lack of very basic technical knowledge, what good are maps to him if he doen't even have a destination! ???    :) Maybe he is someone who except for a few cities doesn't know the United States well? But he does seem to know Mexico and says very clearly he wants to go there; his first choice.

Most incredibly of all, he says they will go to a pleasant place which could be the Minnesota Vikings game for all anyone knows!

[edit] Here's the quote; " _____ said the man spoke of going to Mexico City, Phoenix, or San Francisco. She said that he did not appear to know exactly where he was destined for.  She asked if they (stews) were going to go with him but he did not reply. She finally asked if the stews could leave the plane and the man replied”Sure go ahead” in a calm uninterested manner.


I didn't say he needed maps just that he requested them. If the plan was to jump before Portland or fairly soon after takeoff, as many suspect, destination is not relevant other than maybe to general direction -point being maybe it was all part of the keep em guessing conversation he was having with them. Or Wanted to keep an eye on them...or after the back and forth on destination he says just get some maps...

Another point about transcripts-- unless you can tell from the context, sometimes it's hard to know from transcripts whether something is a statement or question without punctuation when u can't hear voice inflection. Generic example: "OK to land" could be a statement that A pilot is ready to land or a question - are you ready for me to land.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 10:38:22 AM
I found more info on the original transcripts. the crew also asked where the meals were, and wondered how they got on the plane. Cooper gave the ok to retrieve the meals, and the maps. Paul S. appears to have supplied the maps to the crew...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 10:39:38 AM
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"at this point, she gave him a paper sheet giving instructions on how to jump and she said he didn't need that"

He also had opened the reserve chute before all the chutes were on board.

Seeing Cooper tying the money to his waste wasn't the last noted evidence before closing the curtain. she pleaded with him to take the bomb. he stated he would either take it with him, or disarm it..

Yes some of this is very interesting in light of what we've been told. Of course there are a lot of missing pages still so there may be more to story. But if I had time /inclination it would be interesting to chart out the differences.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 10:42:16 AM
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I found more info on the original transcripts. the crew also asked where the meals were, and wondered how they got on the plane. Cooper gave the ok to retrieve the meals, and the maps. Paul S. appears to have supplied the maps to the crew...

But we still dont know if he sent them in response to cooper request
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 10:42:27 AM
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"at this point, she gave him a paper sheet giving instructions on how to jump and she said he didn't need that"

He also had opened the reserve chute before all the chutes were on board.

Seeing Cooper tying the money to his waste wasn't the last noted evidence before closing the curtain. she pleaded with him to take the bomb. he stated he would either take it with him, or disarm it..

Yes some of this is very interesting in light of what we've been told. Of course there are a lot of missing pages still so there may be more to story. But if I had time /inclination it would be interesting to chart out the differences.


Perhaps we will get more info as time goes by. for now, we still have the new car smell, and lots of sorting to do  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 10:45:49 AM
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I found more info on the original transcripts. the crew also asked where the meals were, and wondered how they got on the plane. Cooper gave the ok to retrieve the meals, and the maps. Paul S. appears to have supplied the maps to the crew...

But we still dont know if he sent them in response to cooper request


Even though the crew could of requested both items. I would think this would be brought to Cooper's attention. would he allow for things to come on board he isn't aware of? he wouldn't have much control of the things if he didn't know what was coming, or going on the plane?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 05, 2015, 11:37:50 AM
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I found more info on the original transcripts. the crew also asked where the meals were, and wondered how they got on the plane. Cooper gave the ok to retrieve the meals, and the maps. Paul S. appears to have supplied the maps to the crew...

But we still dont know if he sent them in response to cooper request


Even though the crew could of requested both items. I would think this would be brought to Cooper's attention. would he allow for things to come on board he isn't aware of? he wouldn't have much control of the things if he didn't know what was coming, or going on the plane?

Certainly not decided in my mind one way or the other ....just pretty hard for me to dismiss straight away the statement "He wanted maps".

Like Anderson, no one ever talks about Hancock - but wasn't she the senior member of the Attendant crew. I just don't see how she could not have been in the loop - for guidance if nothing else - why would she say He wanted maps and meals. I can see "he said we could have maps and meals, or he let us get maps /meals. No --she says He wanted them - that had to come from somewhere...and if I not mistaken - will have to look - Cooper requesting meals is referenced another place also. To me, the idea that he might have requested maps -regardless of reason -is a pretty important piece of the story that has been left out...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 11:49:56 AM
It appears it will take some sorting to figure this one out.....

Bruce brought up a point while I was talking to him on the phone a while back. at what point was Mitchell sitting in the back row? they pushed all of the passengers forward, and where was he when Cooper opened the briefcase? would Cooper do this with Mitchell right there?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 12:10:24 PM
Demand #5 "He wanted maps"

This was before the plane landed. he also gives clues of not knowing where he was going, so what maps could he get?

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Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on September 05, 2015, 12:44:44 PM
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Demand #5 "He wanted maps"

This was before the plane landed. he also gives clues of not knowing where he was going, so what maps could he get?

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I agree with Smokin that Cooper was asking for a map not related to the aeronautical charts and approach plates.  Before the airplane even landed in Seattle, Al Lee (NWA's Chief Pilot in Seattle) was working on getting entire sets of Western USA aeronautical charts and plates, as well as International aeronautical charts and plates, ready for the flight crew.

Normally, the flight crew would only be carrying charts and plates related to their route and adjacent areas and only for airports that could handle a 727.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 01:11:55 PM
R99 has supplied two more documents that can also be found in the "Cooper Vault"

They are in a Jpeg format you can either click to enlarge the photo, or right click to save.. thanks R99!

http://website.thedbcooperforum.com/Cooper-Vault/
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 01:32:53 PM
The maps are confusing. makes one wonder what type of maps, or why he didn't have them already. maps were easily found in 1971. it's possible he asked for specific maps to throw them off of where he was going to jump? it's odd they can't recall a very important clue?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 01:53:42 PM
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I found more info on the original transcripts. the crew also asked where the meals were, and wondered how they got on the plane. Cooper gave the ok to retrieve the meals, and the maps. Paul S. appears to have supplied the maps to the crew...

But we still dont know if he sent them in response to cooper request


Even though the crew could of requested both items. I would think this would be brought to Cooper's attention. would he allow for things to come on board he isn't aware of? he wouldn't have much control of the things if he didn't know what was coming, or going on the plane?

Certainly not decided in my mind one way or the other ....just pretty hard for me to dismiss straight away the statement "He wanted maps".

Like Anderson, no one ever talks about Hancock - but wasn't she the senior member of the Attendant crew. I just don't see how she could not have been in the loop - for guidance if nothing else - why would she say He wanted maps and meals. I can see "he said we could have maps and meals, or he let us get maps /meals. No --she says He wanted them - that had to come from somewhere...and if I not mistaken - will have to look - Cooper requesting meals is referenced another place also. To me, the idea that he might have requested maps -regardless of reason -is a pretty important piece of the story that has been left out...

I think you have to place Cooper's requests/statements in context. Cooper is saying a number of things that leave an 'impression' without necessarily being true. He is trying to control the crew and the hijacking through impressions. One impression is that he is technically competent without that necessarily being true - many examples of that. He orders "meals for the crew". Nice guy! Very thoughtful. He is hijacking their airplane and depriving people of their liberty but ordering "meals for the crew"? That's pretty funny. And other things he says falls into the same context.

Maps may fall into the same category. "Going to a pleasant place"! This leaves the impression of a long perhaps even uncertain journey ahead. He (no else else) brings up HAVANA! ??? The overall impression is a long undefined journey which ultimately could take them anywhere.

Cooper then turns around and bails early over Washington. No maps or meals required! They could have landed in Portland!

This is a Hijacking! You can't take everything Cooper says at face value. Cooper is manipulating everyone if he can.
He may have had a plan but it wasn't the plan he laid out if you take his actual actions literally, but he had a captive audience literally.

Second, Cooper is a manipulator. He had strong social skills/perceptions. He sorted out who he was going to use and not use very quickly. He chose Mucklow (more submissive) over Schaffner (resistant) very quickly.

He says he had a bomb made of dynamite but we don't know if that's true. He says his bomb is "electronic" and might be set off by "radio communications"? That is a pure attempt to control the crew using the radio. I mean they are on an airplane in the first place. Airplanes by their nature are electrical. So he brings on a bomb that could be trigger electrically by normal electrical activity on the plane? (I think not. Not unless he was suicidal). He tells Mucklow that he knows about the oxygen bottles ... but he never reached up and got an oxygen bottle out or even identified the place they were stored right above his head, to demonstrate his supposed technical knowledge. Then he cant get the rear door open! Then he tells the crew to lower the stairs where in fact they have no such capability in the cockpit. And it goes on and on and on ...

Don't take everything "Cooper" says at face value.

 :)   



 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 02:00:21 PM
I have long argued that they probably did go to the back and search for Cooper and the bomb after he bailed, and they realised he had bailed. The basis of my suspicion is in the PI Transcripts:

11:08      
305:      Reno? Ok uh, I’ll tell you what – stand by just a moment.
      We’re uh, we’re gonna look back here and see what’s going on.
Reno:      Ok.


The Mucklow PA interview articulates that in fact they did 'look in the back' and Mucklow details the search the crew conducted looking for for Cooper and the bomb just prior to landing at Reno. That matter is now closed. This corroboration restores some faithe in the PI Transcripts.


 

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 02:01:27 PM
He gives the impression that electronics could set off the bomb, but he has the connection broken. it's impossible for this to take place. at the same time he is trying to control, or limit the transmissions from 305 to the ground by stating the bomb once again could be set off with transmissions...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 02:08:12 PM
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He gives the impression that electronics could set off the bomb, but he has the connection broken. it's impossible for this to take place. at the same time he is trying to control, or limit the transmissions from 305 to the ground by stating the bomb once again could be set off with transmissions...

Yes we know. He is leaving impressions. He is not dispensing facts.

Are you saying he didn't know the difference? I'm betting he did know the difference and was just spreading BS in order to try and control the crew etal.

It obviously didn;t deter the crew from using the radio - did it!  :) :) The crew didn;t buy it.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 02:12:19 PM
I want to know who and what the source of these files is.

Gray? Snowmman? Jo Weber?

Like Bruce I am suspicious Gray is mixed up in this and I have very concrete reasons (from prior conversation with Gray) for thinking this -

I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
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He gives the impression that electronics could set off the bomb, but he has the connection broken. it's impossible for this to take place. at the same time he is trying to control, or limit the transmissions from 305 to the ground by stating the bomb once again could be set off with transmissions...

Yes we know. He is leaving impressions. He is not dispensing facts.

Are you saying he didn't know the difference? I'm betting he did know the difference and was just spreading BS in order to try and control the crew etal.


I don't think it matters if the bomb was real, or fake. he was bluffing. if it was a bomb with a timer on it, then you might be nervous around electronics, because it's ready to go. Cooper had the connection separated and knew it couldn't go off unless he connected the wires. I see enough clues to call it fake, unless he was worried about prints. he said he would either take it with him, or disarm it. obviously he took it with him, or tossed it?

It appears he made it look very real and there is still a possibility it was, but I'm about 70-30% it wasn't...

I'm not sure you can even consider his bomb electronic?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 05, 2015, 05:13:53 PM
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I want to know who and what the source of these files is.

Gray? Snowmman? Jo Weber?

Like Bruce I am suspicious Gray is mixed up in this and I have very concrete reasons (from prior conversation with Gray) for thinking this -

I will leave it at that.

I'd like to know as well.

Yo, 377 - is Snowmman following this? Has he seen these files? Any ideas where they came from - how they got into Reichenbach's hands?  Were they in Geoffrey Gray's cache that also had the parachute files?

So, Reichs!  Where did you get these files?  Can you shed any light on the cloak and dagger secrecy surrounding them?  Did you steal them from GG the same way I stole the parachute docs?

THANKS a million, anyway, regardless of how you got 'em!

Also, any idea on why there are so many large gaps in the docs?  20 pages or so between Flo and Alice's statements. How come?

Lastly, who redacted all the names?  Regardless, it was a lot of fun figuring out who was who!!! It was like a Norjak quiz for us insiders!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 05, 2015, 05:39:14 PM
I don't think anything about the ownership of the files will be made public. sometimes it's best to leave things the way they are. I've accepted the files were sent to me, and permission was granted to make them public....


Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 05, 2015, 06:57:14 PM
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I don't think anything about the ownership of the files will be made public. sometimes it's best to leave things the way they are. I've accepted the files were sent to me, and permission was granted to make them public....
Shutter

In a prior event of remote seeing the following was posted back in 2011:


377  (F 666)
Oct 22, 2011, 9:20 PM
Post #27914 of 58140 (49526 views)
          A kinder gentler Snow [In reply to]
 
________________________________________
Snow writes:

smokin99 said the file was on gray's book home page. I said no. I was wrong.

I had said it wasn't since no page on his web site linked to anything that had the file.
I just discovered I was wrong. It's there, just not linked to by any page.

I was talking to 377, explaining how the world works, sun revolves around the planets, etc and I discovered that Gray has files where he doesn't know he has files.

And where I don't know he has files.

I will not call Gray stupid, because I am reformed, and everyone knows Gray is a good guy.

So Gray is publishing the file he tried to hide before when he added a password to the other site.

here it is.

http://huntfordbcooper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DOCU_parachutes.pdf



Then to this Smokin99 replied:


smokin99
Oct 22, 2011, 11:43 PM
Post #27921 of 58140 (49475 views)
          Re: [377] A kinder gentler Snow [In reply to]
 
________________________________________
Quote:
Snow writes:

smokin99 said the file was on gray's book home page. I said no. I was wrong.

I had said it wasn't since no page on his web site linked to anything that had the file.
I just discovered I was wrong. It's there, just not linked to by any page.

I was talking to 377, explaining how the world works, sun revolves around the planets, etc and I discovered that Gray has files where he doesn't know he has files.

And where I don't know he has files.

I will not call Gray stupid, because I am reformed, and everyone knows Gray is a good guy.

So Gray is publishing the file he tried to hide before when he added a password to the other site.

here it is.

http://huntfordbcooper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DOCU_parachutes.pdf

[reply]

Thanks. Like i told Snow I definitely make mistakes but i don't intentionally mislead. I accepted his apology and offered mine for my response to his 377 post and a pm. All's well on the Eastern front. 

So...while perusing the above link I found this. I'm assuming this is okay to post since he left it out there. If not, well oops again. 

http://huntfordbcooper.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/DOCU_sr71.pdf

Gray wrote about the SR-71. Guess this is where he got it from. This memo is why I think the SE 164-81 is referring to the Seattle office. Note that the FBI Director designation on this memo is 164-2111. When I mentioned the location designation SE 164-81 to Snow, he reminded me that BUR 164-2111 and SE 164-81 are also seen on the composite drawings. My guess is that BUR = Bureau.

Edited to say looks like more than one memo - note dates.

Question: why are memos being sent to Minneapolis office too? Could it be because Northwest was based there or other reason? (This post was edited by smokin99 on Oct 23, 2011, 12:03 AM)


Who knows whither the wind and the files blows and from where! For all anyone knows these recent documents posted could all be fakes. They could also be real. Holes leak.   :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2015, 01:18:15 AM
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For all anyone knows these recent documents posted could all be fakes.

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Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 06, 2015, 10:49:17 AM
IF "chest" was used that is VERY interesting. Skydivers called them reserves, belly warts etc. I very seldom heard them called "chest" by jumpers unless the jumper was a rigger. The FAA, riggers and military called them chest. But only paratroopers and special ops had chest reserves. Almost all the bailout rigs were back or seat.

I'm wondering if Cooper ever showed his eye color? Tina appears to say that he always had sunglasses on in her presence. So Peterson and Braden might not be ruled out on eye color.

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 06, 2015, 10:53:33 AM
The redactions make me think these reports were supplied by the FBI in response to a FOIA request or in litigation discovery.

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 06, 2015, 10:56:52 AM
Mexico City, nonstop,  gear down, flaps down, 10,000 feet...

No flap angle specified? Where did the 15 degree info come from?

Shutter, could a 727 go that far in that configuration? Very thirsty at 10000 ft.  Cooper didn't care though.

377
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Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2015, 11:35:14 AM
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Mexico City, nonstop,  gear down, flaps down, 10,000 feet...

No flap angle specified? Where did the 15 degree info come from?

Shutter, could a 727 go that far in that configuration? Very thirsty at 10000 ft.  Cooper didn't care though.

377



The plane could never reach that far under those conditions. later in the transcripts/files he does specify 15 degree's.
At 10:37 they had 17,300 lbs. of fuel left. 1630 nautical miles left to Mexico City.

The more you read into things, the more I can see where Carr states he knew enough to get himself in trouble.

Several things go back & forth. small bills, circulated US currency. chest pack, front pack.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 06, 2015, 02:04:15 PM
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IF "chest" was used that is VERY interesting. Skydivers called them reserves, belly warts etc. I very seldom heard them called "chest" by jumpers unless the jumper was a rigger. The FAA, riggers and military called them chest. But only paratroopers and special ops had chest reserves. Almost all the bailout rigs were back or seat.

I'm wondering if Cooper ever showed his eye color? Tina appears to say that he always had sunglasses on in her presence. So Peterson and Braden might not be ruled out on eye color.

377

Its right there in these pages. Only Flo saw his eyes uncovered ... plus a few others. After Flo went forward with his note and came back, he had put on the sunglasses with Tina sitting by him. Tina says in these pages she never saw his eyes. That is probably debatable and relative.

I think it is important to point out these are not the only interviews/debriefings the crew members gave following and during the hijacking. For example, Tom and Carol etal spent some time trying to get a handle on the full scope and breadth of the Cooper Hijacking Investigation and its complexity. When Carr left Tom posted quickly and advised everyone that we had just lost our 'single best hope' of plumbing and interpreting the investigative side of the Cooper case. By that time Tom and Carol had gained enough perspective that I felt Tom's statement was fully accurate and justified - and these few pdfs that have surfaced fits into that large perspective!   

For example, as you read through these pages and compare them with other documents people have read, who are the first people the flight crew communicates with through every event happening during the hijacking? The company. You will never see their interview and investigative files! This hijacking required the FBI to work with a number of entities and agencies. One isolated example of this interplay may be Scott's brief statement recorded in /1322460-0 - 164-LV-60-Section 6, Serial 150-1/. Missing is where Scott's primary loyalties and responsibilities were and to whom", to The Company who in turn worked closely with the FBI just as other agencies and entities worked closely with the FBI, not to mention the fact that these few pages by themselves probably do not record the full scope of interviews and testimony Scott gave directly to the FBI, on other occasions!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 06, 2015, 02:44:12 PM
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IF "chest" was used that is VERY interesting. Skydivers called them reserves, belly warts etc. I very seldom heard them called "chest" by jumpers unless the jumper was a rigger. The FAA, riggers and military called them chest. But only paratroopers and special ops had chest reserves. Almost all the bailout rigs were back or seat.

I'm wondering if Cooper ever showed his eye color? Tina appears to say that he always had sunglasses on in her presence. So Peterson and Braden might not be ruled out on eye color.

377

Its right there in these pages. Only Flo saw his eyes uncovered ... plus a few others. After Flo went forward with his note and came back, he had put on the sunglasses with Tina sitting by him. Tina says in these pages she never saw his eyes. That is probably debatable and relative.

I think it is important to point out these are not the only interviews/debriefings the crew members gave following and during the hijacking. For example, Tom and Carol etal spent some time trying to get a handle on the full scope and breadth of the Cooper Hijacking Investigation and its complexity. When Carr left Tom posted quickly and advised everyone that we had just lost our 'single best hope' of plumbing and interpreting the investigative side of the Cooper case. By that time Tom and Carol had gained enough perspective that I felt Tom's statement was fully accurate and justified - and these few pdfs that have surfaced fits into that large perspective!   

For example, as you read through these pages and compare them with other documents people have read, who are the first people the flight crew communicates with through every event happening during the hijacking? The company. You will never see their interview and investigative files! This hijacking required the FBI to work with a number of entities and agencies - and you may never see their files! One isolated example of this interplay may be Scott's brief statement recorded in /1322460-0 - 164-LV-60-Section 6, Serial 150-1 Scott/ which Brucy-Baby hurls an insult at! What Bruce is probably missing is where Scott's primary loyalties and responsibilities were and to whom" to The Company who in turn worked closely with the FBI just as other agencies and entities worked closely with the FBI, not to mention the fact that these few pages by themselves probably do not record the full scope of interviews and testimony Scott gave directly to the FBI, on other occasions!

I agree -- Also --if you read the transcripts  -- they clearly and pointedly exclude others when it's time to talk to the "Company". While they might have stepped back and cooperated later, there should be no doubt that Northwest and Nyrop /delegates were running this show while it was happening...Everyone else was secondary, this includes the FBI, FAA, AND ATC.
At one point LE is basically told to stand down by Northwest.

I doubt there is anything of import about the hijacking in those papers at MHS, but hopefully one day Vicki or someone in the vicinity can take a day trip there to check out the Northwest Airline Corporate records here: Minnesota Historical Society (http://www2.mnhs.org/library/findaids/00110.xml)

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 06, 2015, 02:55:38 PM
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IF "chest" was used that is VERY interesting. Skydivers called them reserves, belly warts etc. I very seldom heard them called "chest" by jumpers unless the jumper was a rigger. The FAA, riggers and military called them chest. But only paratroopers and special ops had chest reserves. Almost all the bailout rigs were back or seat.

I'm wondering if Cooper ever showed his eye color? Tina appears to say that he always had sunglasses on in her presence. So Peterson and Braden might not be ruled out on eye color.

377

Its right there in these pages. Only Flo saw his eyes uncovered ... plus a few others. After Flo went forward with his note and came back, he had put on the sunglasses with Tina sitting by him. Tina says in these pages she never saw his eyes. That is probably debatable and relative.

I think it is important to point out these are not the only interviews/debriefings the crew members gave following and during the hijacking. For example, Tom and Carol etal spent some time trying to get a handle on the full scope and breadth of the Cooper Hijacking Investigation and its complexity. When Carr left Tom posted quickly and advised everyone that we had just lost our 'single best hope' of plumbing and interpreting the investigative side of the Cooper case. By that time Tom and Carol had gained enough perspective that I felt Tom's statement was fully accurate and justified - and these few pdfs that have surfaced fits into that large perspective!   

For example, as you read through these pages and compare them with other documents people have read, who are the first people the flight crew communicates with through every event happening during the hijacking? The company. You will never see their interview and investigative files! This hijacking required the FBI to work with a number of entities and agencies - and you may never see their files! One isolated example of this interplay may be Scott's brief statement recorded in /1322460-0 - 164-LV-60-Section 6, Serial 150-1 Scott/ which Brucy-Baby hurls an insult at! What Bruce is probably missing is where Scott's primary loyalties and responsibilities were and to whom" to The Company who in turn worked closely with the FBI just as other agencies and entities worked closely with the FBI, not to mention the fact that these few pages by themselves probably do not record the full scope of interviews and testimony Scott gave directly to the FBI, on other occasions!

I agree -- Also --if you read the transcripts  -- they clearly and pointedly exclude others when it's time to talk to the "Company". While they might have stepped back and cooperated later, there should be no doubt that Northwest and Nyrop /delegates were running this show while it was happening...Everyone else was secondary, this includes the FBI, FAA, AND ATC.
At one point LE is basically told to stand down by Northwest.

I doubt there is anything of import about the hijacking in those papers at MHS, but hopefully one day Vicki or someone in the vicinity can take a day trip there to check out the Northwest Airline Corporate records here: Minnesota Historical Society (http://www2.mnhs.org/library/findaids/00110.xml)

+1...........  :) :) :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 06, 2015, 03:05:27 PM
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I don't think anything about the ownership of the files will be made public. sometimes it's best to leave things the way they are. I've accepted the files were sent to me, and permission was granted to make them public....


Shutter

That's probably best....but if I had to guess I would say that GG did more than look....and now they are once again being "leaked" either by him or someone that found out about the back door before it was closed and chooses now to share .

It's either that, someone else who has had access, someone in LE is leaking, or they are fake.

This is why it would be so much cleaner if the FBI would just quit their dog and pony show, stop choosing who gets access and who doesn't, who gets to profit and who must live on crumbs, and let it all out. They won't, I'm sure, but they should. It's time, it's fair, it's right, and I am convinced they would never be able to successfully prosecute Dan "DB" Cooper any way  - even if they found him tomorrow lighting a cigar with a purloined twenty.

While this was a crime and crimes are never really victim-less, it's also not Whitey Bulger.. but the key thing is they've opened the door and let some in... it's time for equal access.  >:( ;)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 06, 2015, 03:30:53 PM
Ahhh. Flap command is noted.

"He said, "We're going to Mexico City, gear down, flaps down, you can trim the flaps to 15, you can stop anywhere in Mexico to refuel, but nowhere in the United States. The aft door must be open and the stairs to be down. The altitude under 10,000 feet, they know they can't go over that. Cabin lights out and everyone is to be forward of the first class curtain"

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 06, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
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The redactions make me think these reports were supplied by the FBI in response to a FOIA request or in litigation discovery.

377

I thought GG first, but then I thought I remembered that the parachute documents taken from the files had no redactions -- seems like there would have been one on Hayden's name if he got that through FOIA channels - so then I wondered if someone else got lucky with a request......

But then again, I was told by the FBI that all records responsive to my FOIA request had already been made public and could be found on the Vault -- that same vault site that is basically filled with pdfs of newspaper articles.....My request included crew interviews. Crushed again -- I think they gave me the shaft or maybe I gave up too soon  ;)

Oh well, Until someone can't hold it in any longer we can only speculate...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2015, 03:42:47 PM
Quote
That's probably best....but if I had to guess I would say that GG did more than look....and now they are once again being "leaked" either by him or someone that found out about the back door before it was closed and chooses now to share .

It would be nice to find where they came from, but I see this as information that is helping us. perhaps the "don't ask, don't tell" clause is the best avenue. they appear to be legit, so it's the best information to float down the Columbia in a very long time.  :o why worry who, or where they came from. lets be happy we have them. shoot them over to the FBI for verification if that's what needs to be done....my guess is copies are flying all over the place by now  8)

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2015, 03:44:41 PM
I doubt anything Gray, or Kaye seen was redacted...they were direct source files...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 06, 2015, 04:10:05 PM
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I doubt anything Gray, or Kaye seen was redacted...they were direct source files...

Unless they were limited to redacted files on some stuff....
 
Also...for the record... re : direct source files ...  Though I'm sure it's just me being cynical and conspiratorial, and all is really kosher and aboveboard in the vortex,...plus.... I would never accuse another of doing what I might do under similar circumstances :)   -- it does "appear" that it might be possible, only possible, that someone was allowed or took it upon himself to do more than "see" files.
 
Unless you are into what Bruce is smoking...and I'm not saying I'm a total dis-believer in esoteric alternate realities - I've seen a UFO and have a friend who sees and talks to dead people --- I do think it is highly unlikely that the parachute document put itself on the internet.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 06, 2015, 04:15:03 PM
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I doubt anything Gray, or Kaye seen was redacted...they were direct source files...

Unless they were limited to redacted files on some stuff....
 
Also...for the record... re : direct source files ...  Though I'm sure it's just me being cynical and conspiratorial, and all is really kosher and aboveboard in the vortex,...plus.... I would never accuse another of doing what I might do under similar circumstances :)   -- it does "appear" that it might be possible, only possible, that someone was allowed or took it upon himself to do more than "see" files.
 
Unless you are into what Bruce is smoking...and I'm not saying I'm a total dis-believer in esoteric alternate realities - I've seen a UFO and have a friend who sees and talks to dead people --- I do think it is highly unlikely that the parachute document put itself on the internet.

But I agree...you are probably right that we should not look a gift horse in the mouth.....I guess... Just hard not to look at the mystery within the mystery but I'll try to let it go :) :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2015, 04:30:34 PM
There is no harm in asking, or trying to find out where they came from. personally, I'm hoping for future files to come to light, so it's in my best interest to be positive with the people supplying the information. it's a bit James Bond-ish, but I can deal with that. it is what it is....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2015, 04:46:54 PM
My goal here was to start a forum where everyone could discuss the case without constant interruptions. it appears that has been accomplished. another plan was to help gather the best known information about the case that can be easily accessed from one site (now two) sites and slow down on the constant linking, and searching out other clues. finding, or bringing new things to the table is also a goal, so I believe I have accomplished a lot.

I've put a lot of time and effort into this thing we call DB Cooper, probably more than I should, but I do enjoy doing this. I''m glad we have a safe place to discuss, and show things about this case making it all worth while. the Producers at Atlas have been hard at work as well. hopefully they will hit pay dirt in the near future.

Shutter
Title: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on September 06, 2015, 05:15:32 PM
The purpose of this post is to discuss what has been released previously from the Seattle FBI's File "SE 164-81" (more on those numbers later).  Here are the pages that can be directly connected to that file and what they contain:

Pages           Contents

0-20             Unknown

21-26           FBI crew interview in Seattle

27-36           Unknown

37-45           FBI crew interview in Reno

46-53           FBI crew interview in Philadelphia

54-56           FBI crew interview in Seattle

57-58           Unknown

59-63           FBI crew interview in Reno

64-64           FBI crew interview in Reno

65-88           Unknown

89-106         ARINC teletype message print outs

107-134       Unknown

135-141       "FBI Notes" faxed to Sluggo

142-142       Unknown

143-143       Page sent direct from FBI to Robert99

144-192       Radio transcripts during approach to
                   Seattle and while on the ground there

193-193       Page sent direct from FBI to Robert99

194-194       Osterkamp's Seattle Certification Letter

195-200       Redacted Seattle ATC radio transcripts

201-209       Complete Oakland ATC radio transcripts

210-225       Complete Reno ATC radio transcripts

NOTES:

1.  Pages 186-192 were also included with the "FBI Notes" that were faxed to Sluggo.

2.  The "b6" and "b7c" that appears in the margins of some of the documents indicates that some information was not included in order to protect personal privacy.

3.  Copies of the notes taken in the cockpit during the hijacking have been posted on Sluggo's web page and are probably also in the above file but their page numbers could not be determined.

4.  I will discuss pages 143 and 193, and their meaning, in another post in the immediate future.

5.  I may well have missed some documents that could provide more page numbers.


Perhaps someone familiar with the FBI file numbering system could enlighten us on it, but it seems to be something like the following:

In the "SE 164-81", "SE" stands for Seattle FBI office.  "LV" stands for the Las Vegas FBI office and they conducted the interviews at Reno.  The Philadelphia FBI office did not use an abbreviation, they wrote out the full name.

The number "164" seems to be standard between offices and probably indicates a type of file.  The number "81" seems to indicate a specific file.  Both the Las Vegas and Philadelphia offices use different numbers after the "164".  LV uses "-60-139" and Philadelphia uses "-133".  The end numbers probably provide additional information on the document and who prepared it.

Robert99 


Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 06, 2015, 07:05:20 PM
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I don't think anything about the ownership of the files will be made public. sometimes it's best to leave things the way they are. I've accepted the files were sent to me, and permission was granted to make them public....


Shutter

That's probably best....but if I had to guess I would say that GG did more than look....and now they are once again being "leaked" either by him or someone that found out about the back door before it was closed and chooses now to share .

It's either that, someone else who has had access, someone in LE is leaking, or they are fake.

This is why it would be so much cleaner if the FBI would just quit their dog and pony show, stop choosing who gets access and who doesn't, who gets to profit and who must live on crumbs, and let it all out. They won't, I'm sure, but they should. It's time, it's fair, it's right, and I am convinced they would never be able to successfully prosecute Dan "DB" Cooper any way  - even if they found him tomorrow lighting a cigar with a purloined twenty.

While this was a crime and crimes are never really victim-less, it's also not Whitey Bulger.. but the key thing is they've opened the door and let some in... it's time for equal access.  >:( ;)

These appear to be photo copies all done at the same time (by the same person) with the exact same framing and depth of field (distance) position. Note the same code in the right hand margins on all copies - "b6 - b7c" whatever that means.

These photos look as if they were all photocopied from a static platform vs hand held camera, because each page shares the same photographic parameters. Perhaps with a photocopy machine or using a camera mounted on a static platform.
   
I seriously doubt Tom had anything to do with this. Gray is another matter. I believe Tom, Carol, and Gray were working in the files at about the same time?

Didn't Snowmman find hidden links to several FBI files on Gray's website that Gray claimed he didn't know anything about?  I never did understand what Snowmman was claiming or what the was all about. I do know Gray was intensely interested in all aspects of the Reno investigation and what evidence was found on the airplane and who interviewed who etc etc etc because he questioned me about what I knew at the very time I was looking into that aspect of the case and had talked to a few people. Gray asked me straight out "who have you interviewed" and "what do you know" ? I didn't tell him anything. ... some of that history is posted at DZ.

The whole Cooper case turned political decades ago.



   
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 06, 2015, 07:14:32 PM
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The purpose of this post is to discuss what has been released previously from the Seattle FBI's File "SE 164-81" (more on those numbers later).  Here are the pages that can be directly connected to that file and what they contain:

Pages           Contents

0-20             Unknown

21-26           FBI crew interview in Seattle

27-36           Unknown

37-45           FBI crew interview in Reno

46-53           FBI crew interview in Philadelphia

54-56           FBI crew interview in Seattle

57-58           Unknown

59-63           FBI crew interview in Reno

64-64           FBI crew interview in Reno

65-88           Unknown

89-106         ARINC teletype message print outs

107-134       Unknown

135-141       "FBI Notes" faxed to Sluggo

142-142       Unknown

143-143       Page sent direct from FBI to Robert99

144-192       Radio transcripts during approach to
                   Seattle and while on the ground there

193-193       Page sent direct from FBI to Robert99

194-194       Osterkamp's Seattle Certification Letter

195-200       Redacted Seattle ATC radio transcripts

201-209       Complete Oakland ATC radio transcripts

210-225       Complete Reno ATC radio transcripts

NOTES:

1.  Pages 186-192 were also included with the "FBI Notes" that were faxed to Sluggo.

2.  The "b6" and "b7c" that appears in the margins of some of the documents indicates that some information was not included in order to protect personal privacy.

3.  Copies of the notes taken in the cockpit during the hijacking have been posted on Sluggo's web page and are probably also in the above file but their page numbers could not be determined.

4.  I will discuss pages 143 and 193, and their meaning, in another post in the immediate future.

5.  I may well have missed some documents that could provide more page numbers.


Perhaps someone familiar with the FBI file numbering system could enlighten us on it, but it seems to be something like the following:

In the "SE 164-81", "SE" stands for Seattle FBI office.  "LV" stands for the Las Vegas FBI office and they conducted the interviews at Reno.  The Philadelphia FBI office did not use an abbreviation, they wrote out the full name.

The number "164" seems to be standard between offices and probably indicates a type of file.  The number "81" seems to indicate a specific file.  Both the Las Vegas and Philadelphia offices use different numbers after the "164".  LV uses "-60-139" and Philadelphia uses "-133".  The end numbers probably provide additional information on the document and who prepared it.

Robert99

wow! Shutter needs to file your post in the archive.


2.  The "b6" and "b7c" that appears in the margins of some of the documents indicates that some information was not included in order to protect personal privacy.


I just asked about this and here you explain it. How do you know this is what b6 and b7c means - what is your source?
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 06, 2015, 08:05:31 PM
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2.  The "b6" and "b7c" that appears in the margins of some of the documents indicates that some information was not included in order to protect personal privacy.


I just asked about this and here you explain it. How do you know this is what b6 and b7c means - what is your source?

This wasn't directed at me, but here's one source that explains FOIA exemptions:  FBI VAULT (https://vault.fbi.gov/explanation-of-exemptions)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 06, 2015, 08:14:18 PM
Gray is always....a grey area  :D ;) :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 06, 2015, 11:55:51 PM
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2.  The "b6" and "b7c" that appears in the margins of some of the documents indicates that some information was not included in order to protect personal privacy.


I just asked about this and here you explain it. How do you know this is what b6 and b7c means - what is your source?

This wasn't directed at me, but here's one source that explains FOIA exemptions:  FBI VAULT (https://vault.fbi.gov/explanation-of-exemptions)

Yes. Robt99  also sent me the attached - this is very interesting. It may address our question; were these pdf's the result of an FOIA? If the codes on these photocopies are for compliance with FOIA requirements then at the least we may assume these pdf's were 'involved' in some FOIA process at some time during the document's history. This would explain the fine photocopy work done from a set frame mount which resulted in the standardised parameters of each page. Thank you Smokin99 and Robt99!
 
Title: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on September 07, 2015, 12:18:54 AM
Reference is made to post number 650, above, which will be discussed further here.  Specifically, the contents of pages 143 thru 225 of FBI Document "SE 164-81" are of interest.

Pages 143 - 225 contain the radio transcripts of NWA 305's contacts with the Seattle, Oakland, and Reno Air Traffic Control Centers as it flew from Seattle to Reno and cover the time period of approximately 7:36 PM PST, the take off time from Seattle, to 11:22 PM PST, when the flight crew turned off the radios and exited the aircraft in Reno.

It should be noted that the Oakland and Reno ATC transcripts are complete, but the Seattle ATC transcripts contain 19 areas of deletions.  Those 19 deletions include all the ATC information that would pinpoint the location of the airliner during the time it was under control of the Seattle Center.  And that information is precisely what the present writer has been seeking through FOIA requests with the FBI and FAA.

Pages 143 through 225, inclusive, consist of 83 pieces of paper.  And pages 143 and 193 have now been received from the FBI as a result of an FOIA.  Subtracting those two pages leaves 81 pieces of paper.  And that is precisely the same number of pages that the FBI has described as FAA generated and has referred those pages back to the FAA for their review and action.

This page counting exercise strongly suggests that the 81 pages the FBI referred back to the FAA includes the redacted Seattle ATC transcripts rather than the complete set of un-redacted transcripts.

The first paragraph of page 193 is redacted to delete the name of the Seattle FAA official who provided the FBI with transcriptions of their communications with NWA 305.  However, his position is described and this official has to be Gerald H. Oaterkamp, Chief, Seattle ARTCC.  [There is a remote possibility that the last name could start with a "D" rather than an "O".]

Page 194 is a transmittal page prepared by Mr. Oaterkamp and contains two certifications.  The first certification reads:

 "I HEREBY CERTIFY that the following is a true transcription of the recorded conversation pertaining to the subject incident. Signed, Gerald H. Oaterkamp, typed, Gerald H. Oaterkamp, Chief, Seattle ARTCC."

The second certification reads:

"I certify that this is a true copy of the original which is on file at this office.  Signed, Gerald H. Oaterkamp, typed, Chief, Seattle Center."

Mr. Oaterkamp does not list the number of pages of transcripts that he is transmitting to the FBI.  However, the redacted transcript pages in "SE 164-81" are pages 195 through 200, inclusive, or six pieces of paper.

In the above, Mr. Oaterkamp is stating that he has had a transcription of the communications between the Seattle Center and NWA 305 made, that he is transmitting it to the FBI, and that he is keeping the original transcription in his files in Seattle.  It is simply not believable that he would be transmitting a document with 19 areas of redactions.  Consequently, the FBI must have made the redactions in pages 195 through 200.

The redacted information is already "public" since it was transmitted over aircraft radios with other aircraft, as well as the general public, listening in as the airliner headed to Reno.  There are no redactions of similar information in the Oakland and Reno Center radio transcripts.  And none of the transcripts contain any restricted or classified information.

The end result of the FOIA requests mentioned earlier is to obtain the original transcription that Mr. Oaterkamp prepared on this incident in his capacity as Chief of the Seattle ATC Center.  The original transcription was probably retained in the FAA files and may have eventually been sent to a federal file depository under what ever records management program the FAA used.   The information sought will probably not exceed 20 pages in length.

Does anyone have any information about the FAA's records management program as it existed in the Seattle area in 1971?  Since there were no restrictions on the records sought, it may well be that individuals involved with the incident kept a copy for their own personal use and information.  Any help or suggestions on this would be greatly appreciated.

Robert99





Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 07, 2015, 02:07:28 AM
Wonderful work, Robert99. Thank you!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 07, 2015, 04:07:40 AM
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Wonderful work, Robert99. Thank you!

+1. Great work!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 08, 2015, 06:25:59 AM
Only one person was able to get the color of Cooper's eye's...he didn't have them on until he was putting on the back chute?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 08, 2015, 03:30:38 PM
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Only one person was able to get the color of Cooper's eye's...he didn't have them on until he was putting on the back chute?

Please cite the passage and by who.

I think it was earlier. I think its Mucklow that says when she came back from delivering notes to the cockpit and she noted Cooper had put on sunglasses. Prior to that Cooper had no glasses on. He had put on sunglasses before they even landed and then brought chutes on ...

There is a common timeline that's pretty consistent through all of the interviews ... the problem is just establishing that timeline against specific details in each interview, and this is where different readers are going to make different timeline attributions ... in general Im finding the different accounts very consistent time-wise in details ...
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 08, 2015, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: Shutter on Today at 06:25:59 AM

Only one person was able to get the color of Cooper's eye's...he didn't have them on until he was putting on the back chute?
__________________________

I didn't get that. I thought DBC had his sunglasses off when Florence first sat down, and then when she and Tina switched places DBC put on the shades. So Flo is the only one to see eye color.

No?

Addendum: I agree with G.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 08, 2015, 05:11:04 PM
Alice Hancock

I just spoke with Alice Hancock. She was polite but firm, saying she was "just not interested" in talking about the DB Cooper skyjacking.

"I've been asked so many times to talk about it. It's just too time consuming. Bye-bye."

And she hung up.

I wonder who all these people are who call her because I have never seen an interview with her in print, nor have I ever seen any reference to her knowledge or experience of the skyjacking.

Alas.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 08, 2015, 05:42:28 PM
Alice Hancock, a full report:

Alice Hancock, Moriarty, Stuart Tomlinson, 9. 8. 15



I just spoke with Alice Hancock. She was polite but firm, saying she was "just not interested" in talking about the DB Cooper skyjacking.

"I've been asked so many times to talk about it. It's just too time consuming. Bye-bye."

And she hung up.

I wonder who all these people are who call her, because I have never seen an interview with her in print, nor have I ever seen any reference to her knowledge or experience of the skyjacking.

Alas.

I got Alice's contact information from Moriarty last week as a “gift” for acting as an intermediary between him and Galen. Actually between a Lars Skoland, who is Moriarty's intermediary. So this was a four-way conversation. Moriarty-to-Lars-to me-to-Galen, and then the reverse.

Moriarty wanted Galen to send him the email addresses/ IP addresses/ or some such of his correspondence with Al Di (AD), so that he could determine who Al Di is.

Galen is still absolutely convinced that Curtis Eng and Al Di are one and the same person.

Galen sent me copies of many emails exchanged between him and AD in the August 2011 period, and he has asked me to only discuss snippets, or paraphrase the conversations and offer a summary.

The general gist of the Al Di-Galen conversation was an in-depth discussion of Letter #3. There were also some brief side conversations about Duane and Jo. In my book I have given a full picture of what they discussed.

However, one thing stood out. The emails that Galen sent me revealed that Stuart Tomlinson of the Oregonian had actually talked with Al Di, which shocked me. I had spoken with Tomlinson several years ago about this episode of Cooper lore, and he was vague and unrevealing!  He didn't remember talking to Al Di – or he forget to mention it to me when I asked about Letter #3, Al Di and the role of the Oregonian in this event? C'mon, Stu!  Yougottabekiddingme!!!!!

Wow.

When we spoke, Stuart couldn't even tell me how the Oregon Today website posted Letter #3 on August 1, 2011. He figured somebody in the photography section scrounged up the letter as the Marla story was breaking, or in anticipation of the release of Geoffrey's book. But August 1 is way before all that started, so I discount Stuart's account.

But why is he zooming me?

It's stuff like this that makes me think cover-up. Alice doesn't have the time, Stuart can't remember, Al Di won't reveal himself, and Moriarty needs a go-between? WTF!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 08, 2015, 05:46:16 PM
Moriarty:

Moriarty is having a tiff, apparently. He is not satisfied with the information that Galen is sending him via me and Lars, so he is abandoning the relationship. At least that is what Lars Skoland told me in his latest email.

But I understand Galen's point: why should he trust someone who doesn't trust him?

Yo, Moriarty - what's your problem dude? You afraid someone's gonna whack ya?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 08, 2015, 05:48:24 PM
Mike McPheters

I have a phone call/message into Mike McPheters to talk about where he found the shards - or more specifically, where exactly is the "high-tide line" that he said he was digging in.

I also want to ask him about how the shards were stored - the plastic baggie "check envelopes?"

Anything else anybody would like me to ask Mike?

BTW: several of Mike's phone numbers that are listed "in the book" are disconnected or not in service. I have his cell phone number if anyone would like to speak with Mike directly.  Email me
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 08, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
Update on Mike

Mike just called me back. He says that he doesn't want to be involved in any discussions about DB Cooper or the money find, "at this time."

He was about to hang up, and I asked, "Why not." He answered that he just has too much going on in his life right now.

Hmmmm.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 08, 2015, 06:30:54 PM
Quote
Please cite the passage and by who.


I believe it's Alice stating this...PDF # 5, page 5. SE-164-S1 see attachment...next paragraph speaks of forgetting her purse..
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 08, 2015, 06:35:55 PM
Aldi has a much younger voice vs Eng. he might know who this person is, but I doubt it's him. you would think the FBI has better tools for this type of information to "leak" out instead of You Tube videos?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 08, 2015, 06:59:00 PM
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Moriarty:

Moriarty is having a tiff, apparently. He is not satisfied with the information that Galen is sending him via me and Lars, so he is abandoning the relationship. At least that is what Lars Skoland told me in his latest email.

But I understand Galen's point: why should he trust someone who doesn't trust him?

Yo, Moriarty - what's your problem dude? You afraid someone's gonna whack ya?


You might want to leave stuff like this offline Bruce. I don't know if they wish to have some of this made public.....



Added: As for McPheters. I would like to know his search perimeter, and where the "shards" were found from the money location (how far away)..approx. how many pieces, and sizes....if contact could be made 8)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Parrotheadvol on September 08, 2015, 11:24:11 PM
Shutter,

I just hit "report to moderator" on one of Georgers posts. It was accidental, as I was using my cell phone to access the site. Not sure if this does anything, but wanted to let you know about it. I would have put this in a private message, but for some reason I can't open messages when I am using my phone. Sorry.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 08, 2015, 11:34:11 PM
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Shutter,

I just hit "report to moderator" on one of Georgers posts. It was accidental, as I was using my cell phone to access the site. Not sure if this does anything, but wanted to let you know about it. I would have put this in a private message, but for some reason I can't open messages when I am using my phone. Sorry.


No problem, I've the the thing a couple times myself...it just logs it as a complaint. I have a bad habit of hitting "modify" when trying to quote a post. I end up having to explain why I have an edit on someone's post.  8)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 09, 2015, 03:26:55 AM
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Moriarty:

Moriarty is having a tiff, apparently. He is not satisfied with the information that Galen is sending him via me and Lars, so he is abandoning the relationship. At least that is what Lars Skoland told me in his latest email.

But I understand Galen's point: why should he trust someone who doesn't trust him?

Yo, Moriarty - what's your problem dude? You afraid someone's gonna whack ya?


You might want to leave stuff like this offline Bruce. I don't know if they wish to have some of this made public.....



Added: As for McPheters. I would like to know his search perimeter, and where the "shards" were found from the money location (how far away)..approx. how many pieces, and sizes....if contact could be made 8)

I have little to zero patience for folks who stonewall me, throw up impediments, or cloak-n-dagger me into numbness. My standard policy, which I have stated numerous times here and elsewhere, and personally to Lars/Moriarty - if you clam up on me that's how you go in the book/report/story.

As for McPheters, contact was made. He just not talking, and I don't think he will be any time soon. Personally, I think someone got to him and asked him to go quiet. But, if you'd like to talk with him, send me an email and I'll give you the phone number.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 09, 2015, 03:32:27 AM
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Aldi has a much younger voice vs Eng. he might know who this person is, but I doubt it's him. you would think the FBI has better tools for this type of information to "leak" out instead of You Tube videos?

Shut, I'm not following this. You're saying Al Di has a different voice than Curtis Eng? How do you know? Are you assuming that the voice-over on the decoded website is Al Di's voice? I'm not sure of that at all. Also, have you spoken with Curtis? I haven't.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 09, 2015, 06:06:26 AM
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Aldi has a much younger voice vs Eng. he might know who this person is, but I doubt it's him. you would think the FBI has better tools for this type of information to "leak" out instead of You Tube videos?

Shut, I'm not following this. You're saying Al Di has a different voice than Curtis Eng? How do you know? Are you assuming that the voice-over on the decoded website is Al Di's voice? I'm not sure of that at all. Also, have you spoken with Curtis? I haven't.


Who ever is doing that video doesn't sound very old, even if they altered the voice. I doubt Eng. will ask you to look at a series of "pitchers" I would tend to believe an educated person such as Eng. wouldn't say something like that. it's been a while since I've seen the video, but other things stand out in the video. I think this person in the video would probably say "Liberry" instead of library.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 09, 2015, 04:02:59 PM
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Please cite the passage and by who.


I believe it's Alice stating this...PDF # 5, page 5. SE-164-S1 see attachment...next paragraph speaks of forgetting her purse..

Your quote is from Schaffner's interview, not Alice Hancock's. And it makes no sense. This is just one of these instances where Schaffner testimony conflicts with the testimony of another crew member, Mucklow.

Mucklow says she never paid attention or made note of Cooper's eyes until after he had dawned the sunglasses. In her physical description she says 'she was UNABLE to observe his eyes'. I believe it is Mucklow who says when she went forward with her notes for the pilot and came back she then noticed Cooper now had sunglasses on... but here is the nub of this.

Cooper had his sunglasses on BEFORE the chutes were even brought on board and before the plane even landed..... I think!

We also are told Schaffner stayed in the cockpit once she went forward (and never came back to the cabin)? If that is true Schaffner wouldnt have even been present in the cabin when the chutes were brought on board and Cooper began stripping one chute out for its lines and began putting one backpack on ???

I think there is some value to trying to construct a comparative timeline from the different people testifying here - I have started to do that but it will take some time to accomplish. For example, it would be interesting to sompare such a time line with Sluggo's timeline ... with the PI/NWA Transcript(s) timeline ??? 

     



Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 09, 2015, 07:01:35 PM
Yep, I thought it was Flo, but got the part about the purse incorrect. it appears she was talking about Alice getting her purse. it's also the last PDF, and not the 5th one in the vault. oops... :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 09, 2015, 07:13:42 PM
Cyber Warfare comes to the DB Cooper Forum - the Thuggery of Moriarty and Lars Skoland.

A new era of attack has been launched in Cooper World. It comes from Moriarty and his intermediary Lars Skoland. It centers on me, and involves this forum. 

Here is a copy of the complaint I am sending to the IC3, the federal agency that handles cyber crimes. My files have been hacked, and I have been threatened.


Cyber attack, Moriarty and Lars, 9. 8. 15

Today, September 9, 2015, I received the email posted below from a “Lars Skoland,” who had been corresponding with me as an intermediary between another party known as “Moriarty” (aka “Reichenbach” on the dbcooperforum) and a fourth party, Galen Cook, who is a fellow DB Cooper researcher and a friend.

This email is one of several that I have received over the past few days, and reveal an escalation in intrusiveness and cyber-thuggery. I believe that Moriarty/Lars have hacked into my DB Cooper files and email address book.

I feel that the emails are menacing and intended to threaten me, all for reasons that are unclear to me.

What follows is an analysis of the emails Lars/Moriarty sent me and their disturbing nature.

First, “BruceSmith49” is my user name at my online news magazine, The Mountain News-WA. I assume the Lars/Moriarty were able to hack into my administrative function and obtain this piece of information.

The reference, “Sky Thief,”  was the working title of my book on DB Cooper during the 2012 period. The book was published as an e-book with Amazon in 2015, titled: DB Cooper and the FBI – A Case Study of America' Only Unsolved Skyjacking.

The fact that Lars/Moriarty write: “Sky Thief, all chapters, lit, SSBS, 7. 30. 13 doc” reveals that they have hacked into my “DB Cooper” document files, as the above notation refers to a version of my manuscript that was saved on July 30, 2013 in it's entirety. Hence, “all chapters.”

It is a version that was written in literary format, ie: “lit” as opposed to the block, business correspondence format that I use in most of my freelance newspaper submissions.

The description, “SSBS” refers to “single-space, both sides” for copying instructions to a print shop.

The reference to “zero tolerance” refers to a quip that I posted on the DB Cooper Forum on September 8, 2015, that:

“I have little to zero patience for folks who stonewall me, throw up impediments, or cloak-n-dagger me into numbness. My standard policy, which I have stated numerous times here and elsewhere, and personally to Lars/Moriarty - if you clam up on me that's how you go in the book/report/story.”

Also, I have no experience of anything “going off line yesterday.” The Mountain News-WA is functioning normally, as far as I know.

The reference to “Al Di” describes a character in the DB Cooper investigation who “decoded” the famous Letter #3 that was supposedly sent by DB Cooper to the Oregonian newspaper in Portland, Oregon in December 1971. Lars/Moriarty had asked me initially to contact Galen Cook and ask him to assist them in their efforts to discover the true identity of “Al Di,” and the purpose of his decoding of Letter #3. They had asked for the email mailing addresses, server routing instructions and similar information that might be gleaned from the 60 emails that Al Di and Galen had exchanged in 2011. Galen declined their invitation to partner in a joint investigation with Lars/Moriarty, and I informed them of that decision.

As a “gift,” they sent me the contact information of Alice Hancock, the senior flight attendant aboard DB Cooper's plane, Northwest Orient Flight 305. Ms. Hancock has been reticent to discuss her experiences aboard Cooper's plane, and as far as I know has never given an interview to any media outlet. I had been unable to obtain Ms. Hancock's contact information prior to the gifting from Lars/Moriarty, and when I called her on September 8, 2015  she declined to talk with me – politely, but firmly, hanging up.

In a second email, Lars/Moriarty sent me a photograph of a town square that in a city that appears to be a small European setting. This email was sent to me on September 8, 2015. Lars/Moriarty claim that it is a photo from the home-town of a friend of mine, Guustaaf Damave. Guustaaf was born and raised in the Netherlands, so I assume that the picture is from Holland, but I don't know what city.

These intrusions from Lars/Moriarty are unwanted and illegal. I am seeking redress from the Federal government in this mater via their IC3 complaint department.

-Bruce A. Smith
September 9, 2015


Email exchange between Bruce A. Smith and Lars/Moriarty, circa September 2015.


1.

From you know who,

"Awesome BruceSmith49,

Wtf? Seriously? Sky Thief??? .... Please.
Sky Thief, all chapters, lit, SSBS, 7. 30 13.doc

Did you notice your site went offline yesterday? We might replace it with your book.

Thanks for outing and fucking our chances with the Al Di thing.
Thanks for fucking our contact anymore with Alice Hancock.
(Luckily we got out of her what we wanted)

Zero patience?
TONIGHT WE VOTE ON YOU!!

Love ~M"




2.

On 2015-09-09 at 13:00, Bruce Smith wrote:

I LOVE being the center of attention! Tell Moriarty and the gang - THANKS!

TTFN,

B


3.
On 9/9/2015 1:36 AM, Lars Skoland wrote:

You, are the topic of a hot debate right now. In this case, it's not nice to know people are thinking of you.

   4.
   On 2015-09-09 at 00:59, Bruce Smith wrote:
So, Lars, what is going on?  You hacking me?  Trying to creep me out? Prove your cyber abilities by finding my friends and then discovering where they are from.
Please tell, what is Guus' hometown? I don't know! Someplace in the Netherlands, I assume.
Whatever game you're playing, I need to tell you - You Win!
BTW, could you please send me Guustaaf's current email address? I got a new computer and my address book got wiped out.
Thanks, Bruce

   5.
   On 9/8/2015 11:41 PM, Lars Skoland wrote:
Tell your friend Guustaaf Damave, Moriarty is standing in his hometown.

6.   (Lars writes:)
   M says "so much for open-source sleuthing."
   Apparently you're off his Christmas list. Hang your head in shame Bruce. =p


   
   7.
   
   On 2015-09-06 at 01:29, Bruce Smith wrote:

What's up with Moriarty? He's got an anger management problem, or has a

narcissistic personality disorder?

As for me,  I disappoint people all the time - ask my family!

Investigative reporters - we just ain't got no friends. Oh, well.

But I do thank him for the (DB Cooper) crew debriefs. Perhaps one day he will tell us how he came to them.

Bruce


8.
   On 9/6/2015 12:47 AM, Lars Skoland wrote:

Moriarty says to tell Galen he's not interested in his email or the contents. Says he's disappointed.
Thought they might be friends, especially since ~M had a brother born on Valentines Day!
(Bruce, it's not advised to disappoint ~M)

   9.
   On 2015-09-05 at 20:03, Bruce Smith wrote:
Galen has asked that I  not cut and paste anything, but to simply pass on information.
BTW, I like long stories....
Bruce

   10.
   On 9/5/2015 7:09 PM, Lars Skoland wrote:
I'm not sure of the Moriarty/Reichenbach connection. Sorry Bruce, I am just the messenger. I do this as a debt to Moriarty. It's a long story.
In the mean time of your synopsis could you please provide ~M with the headers of an Al Di email? Either cut and paste or forward an email in full.

   11.
   On 2015-09-05 at 18:25, Bruce Smith wrote:
Greetings Lars,
Galen has sent me a lengthy number of his emails today that were part of the exchange between him and "Al Di" (AD).  Galen has asked me to give you a synopsis of what was included, and that will take some time to first read the emails, digest them, and then get back to you.

But in the meantime, here is the pertinent information that I gleaned from the first few emails.
Al Di uses the email address of dbcooperdecoded@hotmail.com, which is the email address posted on his website, I believe. I know that I attempted to communicate with Al Di via this emails address and he never responded, nor did the emails bounce back as undeliverable.

The themes and content varies. Sometimes AD asks general conversational questions, such as "What do you think of Duane Weber?" to in-depth discussions of the briefcase. I was surprised to learn that Galen says that Florence told him that she remembers the briefcase as being a Samson-like briefcase, with "metal flaps to open." AD says he found an advertisement in the 1970 Playboy issue that was the source of much of Letter #3 for an attache case from Samsonite that fits the descriptions he gathered from all the known public sources of information – cheap, black, dark vinyl-leather-looking briefcase. AD also thinks a "Hartsmann" attache case could fit the bill.

Galen is absolutely convinced that Al Di is Curtis Eng. Galen says that he confronted Curtis on this and he deferred. He also said that AD told him that the Letter #3 originated in Scappoose, Oregon, and Galen believes that information would only be known by the FBI. When Galen pushed Curtis on this issue, Curtis curtailed his email exchange with Galen, as did Al Di. I very strange and telling piece of synchronicity.

I'll report back soon with more information if this is helpful. Let me know.
BTW: Is Moriarty Reichenbach, as was discussed on the Forum today?
Bruce
**********************

Lastly, I received this email today from Lars. It refers to the DB Cooper Decoded website run by Al Di. Apparently it went dark today, after having been in operation since August 2011. I assume that Lars/Moriarty shut it down. After receiving this email, my connection to Lars was severed, and my emails to him are now bouncing back to me.
   
12. From Lars (September 9, 2015)
   Have you been to dbcooperdecoded.com today?
   Oh no!!
   =)





   
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 09, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
I believe this subject needs to be closed to the public from this point on Bruce. I understand your concerns with the issue's at hand, but believe this needs to go through the proper channels from this point on and shouldn't be discussed any further for everyone's safety until this has been investigated properly....things are being stated that can be considered sensitive material. this could cause matters to turn for the worse exposing this type of activity before everything is fully understood at this point and time.


Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 09, 2015, 10:17:41 PM
Okay, Shut.

I just want everyone to know that I have just filed an IC3 complaint with the feds on Lars/Moriarty/Reichenbach. For those who would like more information on this issue as it develops, just email me or call.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 09, 2015, 10:25:55 PM
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Okay, Shut.

I just want everyone to know that I have just filed an IC3 complaint with the feds on Lars/Moriarty/Reichenbach. For those who would like more information on this issue as it develops, just email me or call.

Understood, like I said, I do understand your concerns, but sometimes it just makes things worse. I just feel it's not something to discuss on the forum at this time. you have every right to be concerned, so I hope you understand my point of view on this.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 09, 2015, 11:38:07 PM
I hope to hear more views about the recent files we now have. someone is looking into putting the files into a word format. I think that's a good idea to have them all in one file....plus we should be able to copy/paste.  8)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 10, 2015, 12:14:09 AM
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Yep, I thought it was Flo, but got the part about the purse incorrect. it appears she was talking about Alice getting her purse. it's also the last PDF, and not the 5th one in the vault. oops... :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

no problem - there is much to digest and place in order with these files ...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 11, 2015, 12:05:55 AM
Just to let people know. a member has put all of the new files/transcripts into one easy file, and put all the names in place where the FOIA had them removed/redacted...it's file #7 in the vault....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 11, 2015, 10:43:20 PM
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Just to let people know. a member has put all of the new files/transcripts into one easy file, and put all the names in place where the FOIA had them removed/redacted...it's file #7 in the vault....

I greatly appreciate the effort and time it took to do this, so ya'll don't slam me......I know they were probably rushing trying to get them out but they need to be proofed.
It might not be a big deal since the originals are still there, but if we ever lost the originals...... lol....as if everyone hasn't already saved a copy...... Some of the typos are innocuous but others change the meaning of the actions and context. For example, in the second interview, in Alice's account the pronoun WE is substituted for HE as in we asked for this and we wanted that.  Not trying to be nit-picky but.........well I guess i am --it's a bad habit :)  :)
still appreciate this ..thanks to whoever did it.....I'll be glad to proof it if you want since you did the major work.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 11, 2015, 10:53:28 PM
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Just to let people know. a member has put all of the new files/transcripts into one easy file, and put all the names in place where the FOIA had them removed/redacted...it's file #7 in the vault....

I greatly appreciate the effort and time it took to do this, so ya'll don't slam me......I know they were probably rushing trying to get them out but they need to be proofed.
It might not be a big deal since the originals are still there, but if we ever lost the originals...... lol....as if everyone hasn't already saved a copy...... Some of the typos are innocuous but others change the meaning of the actions and context. For example, in the second interview, in Alice's account the pronoun WE is substituted for HE as in we asked for this and we wanted that.  Not trying to be nit-picky but.........well I guess i am --it's a bad habit :)  :)
still appreciate this ..thanks to whoever did it.....I'll be glad to proof it if you want since you did the major work.


Sure, go ahead and proof it. I went through it and found some error's, but didn't catch the one's you have, or will. I can swap it out easily....

Thanks

I have a lot of nightmare's on the website if you feel like a challenge  :o
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 11, 2015, 11:17:19 PM
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Just to let people know. a member has put all of the new files/transcripts into one easy file, and put all the names in place where the FOIA had them removed/redacted...it's file #7 in the vault....

I greatly appreciate the effort and time it took to do this, so ya'll don't slam me......I know they were probably rushing trying to get them out but they need to be proofed.
It might not be a big deal since the originals are still there, but if we ever lost the originals...... lol....as if everyone hasn't already saved a copy...... Some of the typos are innocuous but others change the meaning of the actions and context. For example, in the second interview, in Alice's account the pronoun WE is substituted for HE as in we asked for this and we wanted that.  Not trying to be nit-picky but.........well I guess i am --it's a bad habit :)  :)
still appreciate this ..thanks to whoever did it.....I'll be glad to proof it if you want since you did the major work.


Sure, go ahead and proof it. I went through it and found some error's, but didn't catch the one's you have, or will. I can swap it out easily....

Thanks

I have a lot of nightmare's on the website if you feel like a challenge  :o

99's proof of it would be welcomed!  ;) In fact I would pull it for a while until Smokin has time to proof it.
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 11, 2015, 11:20:17 PM
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99's proof of it would be welcomed!

That's close to 100 proof....good stuff  :D :D :D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 11, 2015, 11:57:50 PM
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99's proof of it would be welcomed!

That's close to 100 proof....good stuff  :D :D :D

You could have no better proof reader-editor than Smokin.  8)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 13, 2015, 11:11:30 PM
Sorry guys - I got about half way through the document and then had to go out of town unexpectedly --  just got back a little while ago but I will finish going through the word document sometime this week and send it to Shutter.

It's a little more work than I thought because it's paraphrased in a lot of places to exclude a lot of g-speak redundancy -- which is a good thing but I want to avoid adding any unintentional bias, context, or meaning so I'm basically sticking to the script - but continuing the original word document owner's practice of deleting all the "she said that" at the beginning of every sentence and a couple of other redundancies.
I'm also not quite sure I agree with a couple of the redacted names - but I'm also not sure what is correct -- so I will point those out and maybe we can get a consensus of agreement. so bear with me......

Thanks, Smokin
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 13, 2015, 11:21:25 PM
Take your time....all is appreciated...

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It's a little more work than I thought

Welcome to my world  :D :D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 13, 2015, 11:55:42 PM
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Sorry guys - I got about half way through the document and then had to go out of town unexpectedly --  just got back a little while ago but I will finish going through the word document sometime this week and send it to Shutter.

It's a little more work than I thought because it's paraphrased in a lot of places to exclude a lot of g-speak redundancy -- which is a good thing but I want to avoid adding any unintentional bias, context, or meaning so I'm basically sticking to the script - but continuing the original word document owner's practice of deleting all the "she said that" at the beginning of every sentence and a couple of other redundancies.
I'm also not quite sure I agree with a couple of the redacted names - but I'm also not sure what is correct -- so I will point those out and maybe we can get a consensus of agreement. so bear with me......

Thanks, Smokin

At your convenience...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 15, 2015, 04:07:31 PM
Jerry Thomas' home burns in wildland fire

JT called me yesterday to say that his rural home in Baker City, Oregon had burned to the ground in the rapid onslaught of a wildland fire. Jerry says his home and property is a complete loss, but that he and his wife are safe and living in a condo down in Baker City town proper. Apparently, the fire was stopped just short of the city line.

Jerry says that he lost all of his DB Cooper notes, files and memorabilia. He also lost all of his collectible cars, plus a Taurus and a 4x. However, some of his gold mining equipment is salvageable.


Update:

The Baker City Herald says the fire threatening the town is currently at 20 square miles! Over a hundred homes are at a Level 3 evacuation alert, which is the highest level and means they should be ready to rock and roll at a moment's notice.

Baker City is along the I-84 corridor in the Blue Mountain section of eastern Oregon. It is about 200 miles southeast of Portland. The fire that is threatening Bake City is called the Dry Gulch fire, and the fuels seem to be a mixture of grasslands and scrub, with forests in the higher elevations. The area is what I call, "High Desert."

The newspaper's use of square miles versus acreage is a new dimension this summer in reporting wildland fires, due, I believe, to the great number of fires and their huge size. I have been covering the local situation in Pierce County, Washington, focusing mostly on smoke issues, and we have nearly 1,000 square miles burning throughout the state, currently. That's a lot of fire, and a LOT of smoke. An average of 140 people die annually in WA due to chronic exposure to smoke, mostly from wood and brush fires, and wood stoves. Plus, In Pierce County we have the added effects of diesel exhaust. Here, wood stove smoke and diesels are a double whammy, and the UW Med Center has a unit established just for cardiac patients whose heart conditions were triggered by chronic diesel exposure.

Speaking of fires, I understand that the Napa Valley has had a bunch of big ones. I wonder how Sheridan Peterson is fairing in Santa Rosa, which is at the western edge of wine country.

As for Jerry, he sounded okay when I spoke with him.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 15, 2015, 04:24:40 PM
Crew Debriefs

I've been sniffing around to see if anyone can authenticate the crew debriefing files. I sent them to GG, who said they "look familiar." That's about as definitive as GG gets about anything, so I guess that's a thumb's up.

Along those lines, Reichenbach/Moriarty/Lars has been behaving himself ever since I filed the IC3 report.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 15, 2015, 05:24:30 PM
"Jerry Thomas' home burns in wildland fire

JT called me yesterday to say that his rural home in Baker City, Oregon had burned to the ground in the rapid onslaught of a wildland fire. Jerry says his home and property is a complete loss, but that he and his wife are safe and living in a condo down in Baker City town proper. Apparently, the fire was stopped just short of the city line.

Jerry says that he lost all of his DB Cooper notes, files and memorabilia. He also lost all of his collectible cars, plus a Taurus and a 4x. However, some of his gold mining equipment is salvageable.'


Glad Jerry and Shelly are safe. Hope they had fire insurance. If not, just another dig in the gold mine should get things going.  ;)

Santa Rosa and Windsor CA (Sheridan's locales) are safe so far, but the smoke is everywhere. Can even see some over the SF Peninsula.

That Valley Fire is REALLY bad. http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1226  Two classic inactive DZs threatened, Crazy Creek (Hangdiver's hangout) and Pope Valley (my old favorite, best DZ ever).

No smoke jumpers deployed on this fire. If they were, Sheridan would be volunteering.

377

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 15, 2015, 08:53:11 PM
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Crew Debriefs

I've been sniffing around to see if anyone can authenticate the crew debriefing files. I sent them to GG, who said they "look familiar." That's about as definitive as GG gets about anything, so I guess that's a thumb's up.

Along those lines, Reichenbach/Moriarty/Lars has been behaving himself ever since I filed the IC3 report.



I was about 99% sure the files were legit. this will add the one percent needed to validate them...

Thanks Bruce  8)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 16, 2015, 03:02:13 AM
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"Jerry Thomas' home burns in wildland fire

Glad Jerry and Shelly are safe. Hope they had fire insurance. If not, just another dig in the gold mine should get things going.  ;)

Santa Rosa and Windsor CA (Sheridan's locales) are safe so far, but the smoke is everywhere. Can even see some over the SF Peninsula.

That Valley Fire is REALLY bad. http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1226  Two classic inactive DZs threatened, Crazy Creek (Hangdiver's hangout) and Pope Valley (my old favorite, best DZ ever).

No smoke jumpers deployed on this fire. If they were, Sheridan would be volunteering.

377

JT had a few choice words about his insurance company. He's not happy.

BTW: Are you sure Petey ain't jumping? I hear there are 15,000 firefighters on the lines for Cal Fire.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 16, 2015, 12:47:29 PM
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"Jerry Thomas' home burns in wildland fire

Glad Jerry and Shelly are safe. Hope they had fire insurance. If not, just another dig in the gold mine should get things going.  ;)

Santa Rosa and Windsor CA (Sheridan's locales) are safe so far, but the smoke is everywhere. Can even see some over the SF Peninsula.

That Valley Fire is REALLY bad. http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1226  Two classic inactive DZs threatened, Crazy Creek (Hangdiver's hangout) and Pope Valley (my old favorite, best DZ ever).

No smoke jumpers deployed on this fire. If they were, Sheridan would be volunteering.

377

JT had a few choice words about his insurance company. He's not happy.

BTW: Are you sure Petey ain't jumping? I hear there are 15,000 firefighters on the lines for Cal Fire.

If JT's insurance company is really jerking him around then he should find a specialist atty who does insurance bad faith litigation and who has won cases against insurers. I do not practice in that area but I do know that meritorious bad faith cases scare the hell out of carriers. The insured can collect MORE than the policy limit if bad faith can be proven.

No smoke jumpers are on the fire near Sheridan's abode. They aren't used much in CA. Lotsa air tankers including a 1950's vintage DC 7 radial engined propliner. The Feds stupidly cancelled most contracts with vintage propliner air tanker companies, but the states still do business with them. The big jet tankers (eg DC 10) can drop a lot of retardant but they need long heavy duty runways to operate.

I offered to take Sheridan for a jump on me, but he ignores my emails. He was VERY appreciative of the cheer basket delivered a few Christmases ago, but then turned on me accusing me of being CIA/FBI etc. What a paranoid pity. I pass though his area once in a while and it would have been nice to stop and chat with him, take him out to a nice lunch, reminisce about the golden years of skydiving which we both shared.

Remember when he was energetically promoting his book The Idiot's Frightful Laughter and offering it for sale online? Once I pointed out the curious parallels between certain book passages and the first person Cooper experience, it vanished never to reappear. I think Snowmman has the only purchased copy in the world.

There is no evidence that proves Peterson was Cooper, but he is one hell of a well qualified candidate. Remember that the FBI obviously did not buy his Nepal alibi, otherwise why would they have subsequently insisted on obtaining a DNA sample?

Sheridan also denies having lived with Sailshaw or even knowing him. I am convinced that Sheridan is lying about this. Why lie? One wonders.... Sailshaw is the Boeing engineer from whom Sheridan allegedly tried to get info on the 727 airstair operation.

As far as Cooper splashing in the Columbia, the odds are hugely against it, (Georger did a great probability analysis on Dropzone) but we cant rule it out. If he died, there would be a person missing, a rent or house payment not made, a car not moved etc. Cooper didn't plan to die, it wasn't a suicide. He very likely had a place to come back to, a car to drive, bills to pay.  A disappearance of anyone who remotely resembled the description of Cooper would raise eyebrows. The FBI was looking for this since the assumed the jump was almost certainly fatal (an erroneous conclusion in my opinion, but not in JT's).

377

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 16, 2015, 02:25:08 PM
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"Jerry Thomas' home burns in wildland fire

Glad Jerry and Shelly are safe. Hope they had fire insurance. If not, just another dig in the gold mine should get things going.  ;)

Santa Rosa and Windsor CA (Sheridan's locales) are safe so far, but the smoke is everywhere. Can even see some over the SF Peninsula.

That Valley Fire is REALLY bad. http://cdfdata.fire.ca.gov/incidents/incidents_details_info?incident_id=1226  Two classic inactive DZs threatened, Crazy Creek (Hangdiver's hangout) and Pope Valley (my old favorite, best DZ ever).

No smoke jumpers deployed on this fire. If they were, Sheridan would be volunteering.

377

JT had a few choice words about his insurance company. He's not happy.

BTW: Are you sure Petey ain't jumping? I hear there are 15,000 firefighters on the lines for Cal Fire.

If JT's insurance company is really jerking him around then he should find a specialist atty who does insurance bad faith litigation and who has won cases against insurers. I do not practice in that area but I do know that meritorious bad faith cases scare the hell out of carriers. The insured can collect MORE than the policy limit if bad faith can be proven.

No smoke jumpers are on the fire near Sheridan's abode. They aren't used much in CA. Lotsa air tankers including a 1950's vintage DC 7 radial engined propliner. The Feds stupidly cancelled most contracts with vintage propliner air tanker companies, but the states still do business with them. The big jet tankers (eg DC 10) can drop a lot of retardant but they need long heavy duty runways to operate.

I offered to take Sheridan for a jump on me, but he ignores my emails. He was VERY appreciative of the cheer basket delivered a few Christmases ago, but then turned on me accusing me of being CIA/FBI etc. What a paranoid pity. I pass though his area once in a while and it would have been nice to stop and chat with him, take him out to a nice lunch, reminisce about the golden years of skydiving which we both shared.

Remember when he was energetically promoting his book The Idiot's Frightful Laughter and offering it for sale online? Once I pointed out the curious parallels between certain book passages and the first person Cooper experience, it vanished never to reappear. I think Snowmman has the only purchased copy in the world.

There is no evidence that proves Peterson was Cooper, but he is one hell of a well qualified candidate. Remember that the FBI obviously did not buy his Nepal alibi, otherwise why would they have subsequently insisted on obtaining a DNA sample?

Sheridan also denies having lived with Sailshaw or even knowing him. I am convinced that Sheridan is lying about this. Why lie? One wonders.... Sailshaw is the Boeing engineer from whom Sheridan allegedly tried to get info on the 727 airstair operation.

As far as Cooper splashing in the Columbia, the odds are hugely against it, (Georger did a great probability analysis on Dropzone) but we cant rule it out. If he died, there would be a person missing, a rent or house payment not made, a car not moved etc. Cooper didn't plan to die, it wasn't a suicide. He very likely had a place to come back to, a car to drive, bills to pay.  A disappearance of anyone who remotely resembled the description of Cooper would raise eyebrows. The FBI was looking for this since the assumed the jump was almost certainly fatal (an erroneous conclusion in my opinion, but not in JT's).

377

I thought the FBI visited Sheridan in California and a dna swab was obtained? 

My land vs water probability analysis is only for V23 in the area of the FP shown in the NWA map. That's a large area. If one does the same analysis for the area of V23 from say the northern suburbs of Vancouver to the same distance south of Portland, the P of a water landing goes up, and the probability of landing in the Columbia water shed goes way up.
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 16, 2015, 05:37:55 PM
I thought the FBI visited Sheridan in California and a dna swab was obtained? 

Yup, they sent a very pretty FBI agent and she got the swab. No match to tie DNA, so he was off the hook as a suspect.

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 17, 2015, 12:32:24 AM
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I thought the FBI visited Sheridan in California and a dna swab was obtained? 

Yup, they sent a very pretty FBI agent and she got the swab. No match to tie DNA, so he was off the hook as a suspect.

377

There we go. They must have some confidence in their 'partial'. . . all three or five or seven of them!  :) :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 17, 2015, 01:28:42 AM
The FBI's "Vault" has been undated

The so-called Vault at the FBI website has been greatly cleaned up and hugely expanded. It is now called the FOIA Vault, and contains thousands of entries - from Colonel Saunders to Kiss to DB Cooper.

https://vault.fbi.gov/

This link takes one to a general page, and then I clicked on the "Vault" wording near the work bar.

Below is the DB Cooper link, and although there are 7 sections, I could only open Number 1, below.

https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper%20/D-B-Cooper-Part-1-of-7/view

Ayn Dietrich-Williams suggested that I check there to see if the crew debriefings might be there. I didn't find them, but maybe they are there someplace I didn't find.

BTW: There are FBI files on remote viewing! And Majestic 12, cattle mutilations, Roswell, etc..
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 17, 2015, 01:30:46 AM
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I thought the FBI visited Sheridan in California and a dna swab was obtained? 

Yup, they sent a very pretty FBI agent and she got the swab. No match to tie DNA, so he was off the hook as a suspect.

377

There we go. They must have some confidence in their 'partial'. . . all three or five or seven of them!  :) :)

Another possibility is that the FBI has the cigarettes and a good DNA report, and Larry lied to us.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on September 17, 2015, 10:05:42 AM
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If he died, there would be a person missing, a rent or house payment not made, a car not moved etc. Cooper didn't plan to die, it wasn't a suicide. He very likely had a place to come back to, a car to drive, bills to pay.  A disappearance of anyone who remotely resembled the description of Cooper would raise eyebrows. The FBI was looking for this since the assumed the jump was almost certainly fatal (an erroneous conclusion in my opinion, but not in JT's).

377
If only we could find a suspect who fits the eyewitness description nearly perfectly, hasn't been seen since the skyjacking, and whose disappearance went unnoticed and unreported because of some unusual circumstances.  SMH  ???
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 17, 2015, 02:08:23 PM
Check out Sheridan Peterson's Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/sheridan.peterson.54?fref=ts

His image is gone, replaced by a blur. Was there recently. Looks like he has not been active since 2011, but did he change the photo recently? Or is it the result of a Facebook glitch?

Just wondering.

Just found this. Sheridan is active on Google Plus and is seeking nursing care: https://plus.google.com/102252763335897278766/posts

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on September 17, 2015, 09:05:38 PM
Sheridan Peterson seems to have two Facebook pages.  One of the friends of the pages 377 linked to is another Sheridan Peterson.

https://www.facebook.com/sheridan.peterson1
Title: Radio under canopy, how far can you talk?
Post by: 377 on September 18, 2015, 06:14:46 PM
Sunday Sept 20 I will again be doing some radio jumps using a ham radio set which operates very close to the CB band and puts out 5 watts.

Here is some rudimentary estimated range data. I have done this before and its no problem communicating out to at least 60 miles and sometimes a lot further from about 10,000 feet. I've done this with very low power, down to 1 watt. When you are way up you can talk a long way with low power.

http://hfpack.com/kq6xa/Parachute_Mobile_28MHz_SSB_Coverage_Map.jpg

MINUTES OF OPERATING TIME AND RADIO DISTANCE RANGE

The first chart below assumes average descent speed of 10MPH (~15 feet per second or 900 feet per minute).
The second chart  assumes average descent speed of 14MPH (~20 feet per second or 1200 feet per minute).
Your actual descent speed may be variable or somewhat slower or faster than these.
The estimate is based on your canopy opening above 12,000 feet and beginning radio operation around 12,000 ft as you indicated.

Minutes starting at 12,000ft./  Altitude in feet. /  Estimated 28MHz SSB radio range in miles.

[Chart: Descent Rate 15 feet per second]
TIME / ALTITUDE / RADIO HORIZON
0 min / 12,000 ft / 160 miles
2 min / 10,200 ft / 150 miles
4 min / 8400 ft / 135 miles
6 min / 6600 ft / 120 miles
8 min / 4800 ft / 100 miles
10 min / 3000 ft / 80 miles
11 min / 2100 ft / 65 miles
12 min / 1200 ft / 55 miles

[Chart: Descent Rate 20 feet per second]
TIME / ALTITUDE / RADIO HORIZON
0 min / 12,000 ft / 160 miles
2 min / 9,600 ft / 145 miles
4 min / 7200 ft / 130 miles 
6 min / 4800 ft / 100 miles
8 min / 2400 ft / 70 miles
9 min / 1200 ft / 55 miles

If there are any ham radio operators reading this look for me at 28425 KHz, USB. Jump times will vary but first jump will likely be between 10 AM and 1 PM CA time. Jumping over Byron Airport in CA. Rig Yaesu FT 817. Antenna PAR end fed dipole trailing wire.

Do I think DB Cooper had radio gear? I've seen no evidence that he did.

Would a CB walkie talkie have been practical for communicating with an accomplice? Hell yes.

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: smokin99 on September 18, 2015, 10:05:25 PM
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Sheridan Peterson seems to have two Facebook pages.  One of the friends of the pages 377 linked to is another Sheridan Peterson.

https://www.facebook.com/sheridan.peterson1

He has a profile and has posted on google plus within couple  wks or so because he referenced burning man event - has lots of posts. Profile pic in a jaunty cowboy hat - but not sure if recent photo.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 19, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
Paul Geivett has an approval awaiting to join this forum....I would like to hear some comments before I decide what to do. he's now claiming to have solved the Zodiac case now  ;D ;D

Here is one of his comments left on our You Tube page....

"DB COOPER CASE SOLVED 6 13 13 ON DEMANED BOOKS IT WAS KENNETH P CH ZODIAC CASE SOLVED 5 7 15 BY PAUL GEIVETT THE GRAY COP GC 148 ONE IN THE SAME SORRY MARK B WILL NOT GET IT BUT THATS OK OKEN"
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on September 19, 2015, 10:49:00 PM
Nice to see he still remembers me. :)

I will say, a few people earned their denials on this site by their conduct on DZ.  Reading the comment you posted, it appears he's not changed.  I vote "no", but I'll go along with the group.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 19, 2015, 10:53:41 PM
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Nice to see he still remembers me. :)

I will say, a few people earned their denials on this site by their conduct on DZ.  Reading the comment you posted, it appears he's not changed.  I vote "no", but I'll go along with the group.

Thanks Mark, the main problem with him is he doesn't listen to anything. he just keeps posting the same things over, and over. I don't think we need to remind everyone why he was removed from the DZ...I'm sure G remembers.....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on September 19, 2015, 11:02:12 PM
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Paul Geivett has an approval awaiting to join this forum....I would like to hear some comments before I decide what to do. he's now claiming to have solved the Zodiac case now  ;D ;D

Here is one of his comments left on our You Tube page....

"DB COOPER CASE SOLVED 6 13 13 ON DEMANED BOOKS IT WAS KENNETH P CH ZODIAC CASE SOLVED 5 7 15 BY PAUL GEIVETT THE GRAY COP GC 148 ONE IN THE SAME SORRY MARK B WILL NOT GET IT BUT THATS OK OKEN"
I don't have a problem with it because we seem to do a decent job of self-regulating this site.  If he has a history of abusing Mark though, maybe you should think twice.   :-\
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 19, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
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Paul Geivett has an approval awaiting to join this forum....I would like to hear some comments before I decide what to do. he's now claiming to have solved the Zodiac case now  ;D ;D

Here is one of his comments left on our You Tube page....

"DB COOPER CASE SOLVED 6 13 13 ON DEMANED BOOKS IT WAS KENNETH P CH ZODIAC CASE SOLVED 5 7 15 BY PAUL GEIVETT THE GRAY COP GC 148 ONE IN THE SAME SORRY MARK B WILL NOT GET IT BUT THATS OK OKEN"
I don't have a problem with it because we seem to do a decent job of self-regulating this site.  If he has a history of abusing Mark though, maybe you should think twice.   :-\


He is similar to nightjumper. he will go on and on about things everyone knows are false. I can't recall why he went after Georger, but that was the worst thing he could of done. he claims the case has been solved, and Carr, and Eng. agree? this was in 2013 and not a word from the FBI. he gets about as far off the charts as they can get. he told me on the phone that the FBI had taken a picture of him looking out the rear stairs  ;D ;D ;D ;D I told him they wouldn't be shooting film at him if they seen him. it goes on endlessly with false allegations.

Robert Blevins & Paul Geivett?    "they deserve each other"  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 19, 2015, 11:38:23 PM
Paul claims the following...

1) Cooper put his name on the ticket..
2) The FBI has a picture of him on the plane (with a toupee)
3) The money was found in the Lewis river (close to Merwin dam)
4) Kenny wore some sort of elevator boots to beat the height requirement (my favorite  8))
5) He claims the FBI agree's with his evidence.
6) I believe he thinks Kenny was the author of Ha-Ha-Ha By DB Cooper.
7) He links the handwriting on the ticket to the above (cover of the book)

That's what I can remember...I forgot all the other whoppers he has claimed over the years....

Here is his latest post on my You Tube channel...

"DB COOPER CASE SOLVED 6 13 13 ON DEMANDED BOOKS IT WAS KENNETH P CH SORRY TO RUIN IT FOR YOU PAUL GEIVETT      BUT ROBERT B  WONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IM SAYING  THE FORUM IS  JUST LIKE DROP ON YOUR HEAD ZONE PS  I SOLVED THE ZODIAC CASE ON 5 7 15  I HAVE BEEN TIED UP WITH THE NEW BOOK CALLED  ZODIAC CASE SOLVE 5 7 15 PHYSIC VS PSYCHOPATH     GRAY COP VS RED PHANTOM  AND I HAVE TO MORE CRIMES TO SOLVE FOR THE FBI CALL LARRY CARR OR CURTIS ENG  SF FBI ASKED IF I WAS THE PHYSIC CALL IN TO SOLVE THE WASHINGTON CASE  I SAID NO IM NOT A PHYSIC  SHE THOUGHT I WAS  I SOLVED  THE 2 HARDEST CASES IN  US HISTORY"

I don't think anyone understands what he is saying  ;D :D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on September 20, 2015, 01:41:33 AM
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Paul claims the following...

1) Cooper put his name on the ticket..
2) The FBI has a picture of him on the plane (with a toupee)
3) The money was found in the Lewis river (close to Merwin dam)
4) Kenny wore some sort of elevator boots to beat the height requirement (my favorite  8))
5) He claims the FBI agree's with his evidence.
6) I believe he thinks Kenny was the author of Ha-Ha-Ha By DB Cooper.
7) He links the handwriting on the ticket to the above (cover of the book)

That's what I can remember...I forgot all the other whoppers he has claimed over the years....

Here is his latest post on my You Tube channel...

"DB COOPER CASE SOLVED 6 13 13 ON DEMANDED BOOKS IT WAS KENNETH P CH SORRY TO RUIN IT FOR YOU PAUL GEIVETT      BUT ROBERT B  WONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IM SAYING  THE FORUM IS  JUST LIKE DROP ON YOUR HEAD ZONE PS  I SOLVED THE ZODIAC CASE ON 5 7 15  I HAVE BEEN TIED UP WITH THE NEW BOOK CALLED  ZODIAC CASE SOLVE 5 7 15 PHYSIC VS PSYCHOPATH     GRAY COP VS RED PHANTOM  AND I HAVE TO MORE CRIMES TO SOLVE FOR THE FBI CALL LARRY CARR OR CURTIS ENG  SF FBI ASKED IF I WAS THE PHYSIC CALL IN TO SOLVE THE WASHINGTON CASE  I SAID NO IM NOT A PHYSIC  SHE THOUGHT I WAS  I SOLVED  THE 2 HARDEST CASES IN  US HISTORY"

After reading the above, I have a problem with him.  If voting is still open, please put me down as "no".
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on September 20, 2015, 01:55:37 AM
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Paul Geivett has an approval awaiting to join this forum....I would like to hear some comments before I decide what to do. he's now claiming to have solved the Zodiac case now  ;D ;D

Here is one of his comments left on our You Tube page....

"DB COOPER CASE SOLVED 6 13 13 ON DEMANED BOOKS IT WAS KENNETH P CH ZODIAC CASE SOLVED 5 7 15 BY PAUL GEIVETT THE GRAY COP GC 148 ONE IN THE SAME SORRY MARK B WILL NOT GET IT BUT THATS OK OKEN"
I don't have a problem with it because we seem to do a decent job of self-regulating this site.  If he has a history of abusing Mark though, maybe you should think twice.   :-\

It wasn't just me.  Paul would demand that people call him on the phone to discuss any issues he would have.  If they didn't call, he'd put them on his "cowerds" list.  I think there were three people on the list -- Bruce, me, and someone else I can't recall.

What ultimately got him banned on DZ was he posted Georger's phone number.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2015, 02:02:47 AM
After reviewing the comments, and thinking more about his membership I don't think it would be a good idea to allow him on here.

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2015, 02:31:30 AM
If anyone is interested in Ron & Pats book, the PDF has been put on our website for download..I thought that was rather nice of them.... ;D

The file is on the "Suspects" page...the book is called "The Legends Of DB Cooper"

http://website.thedbcooperforum.com/Suspects/
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on September 20, 2015, 08:35:20 AM
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After reviewing the comments, and thinking more about his membership I don't think it would be a good idea to allow him on here.
I don't disagree with your conclusion.  It sounds like he might stir up a bunch of trouble, and not add anything meaningful.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2015, 09:03:36 AM
I spoke with him on the phone several times he seems to be a nice guy, but he just starts going off the wall with his conclusions and what he thinks is real. he doesn't listen to anything said to him. his partner, David Frank is a lawyer and helps him with his investigation, but he doesn't respond to any questions about his video's he puts up for Paul.

Here is another comment from You Tube...

"THE VIDEO THE SKYJACKER THAT GOT AWAY SHOWS DB COOPER DID FILL OUT THE TICKET  MY VIDEO DB COOPER CASE SOLVED PAUL GEIVETT DECODES RENO LETTER SHOWS  THE BOOK DB COOPER CASE SOLVED 6 13 13 ONDEMAND BOOKS  THE GRAY COP"

He almost falls into the spambot category.....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2015, 10:52:37 AM
For the members who haven't been on the forum in a while can find the new FBI files at the link provided below....


http://website.thedbcooperforum.com/Cooper-Vault/


I think I will send out a news letter about the files...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 20, 2015, 02:24:19 PM
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I spoke with him on the phone several times he seems to be a nice guy, but he just starts going off the wall with his conclusions and what he thinks is real. he doesn't listen to anything said to him. his partner, David Frank is a lawyer and helps him with his investigation, but he doesn't respond to any questions about his video's he puts up for Paul.

Here is another comment from You Tube...

"THE VIDEO THE SKYJACKER THAT GOT AWAY SHOWS DB COOPER DID FILL OUT THE TICKET  MY VIDEO DB COOPER CASE SOLVED PAUL GEIVETT DECODES RENO LETTER SHOWS  THE BOOK DB COOPER CASE SOLVED 6 13 13 ONDEMAND BOOKS  THE GRAY COP"

He almost falls into the spambot category.....

Geivett is the one making claims. It's up to him to provide some corroboration of his claims! He mentions FBI Agents Larry Carr and Curtis Eng but so far neither of them has issued any public support for Geivett and his claims. Pending that, what can anyone do except be a spectator?   :) :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2015, 02:37:22 PM
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Geivett is the one making claims. It's up to him to provide some corroboration of his claims! He mentions FBI Agents Larry Carr and Curtis Eng but so far neither of them has issued any public support for Geivett and his claims. Pending that, what can anyone do except be a spectator?

He's a character for sure. I don't think I want to know how he cracked the Zodiac case  ;D :D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 20, 2015, 02:44:13 PM
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Geivett is the one making claims. It's up to him to provide some corroboration of his claims! He mentions FBI Agents Larry Carr and Curtis Eng but so far neither of them has issued any public support for Geivett and his claims. Pending that, what can anyone do except be a spectator?

He's a character for sure. I don't think I want to know how he cracked the Zodiac case  ;D :D

Some people are still going to swing from trees even after you have provided them with streets and a board walk-way!   :) Progress takes time.  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2015, 02:48:02 PM
We had a lot of rain last week. the canal behind me is about 6 feet above normal  :o sadly, no bundles have washed up  ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on September 20, 2015, 03:36:29 PM
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Geivett is the one making claims. It's up to him to provide some corroboration of his claims! He mentions FBI Agents Larry Carr and Curtis Eng but so far neither of them has issued any public support for Geivett and his claims. Pending that, what can anyone do except be a spectator?

He's a character for sure. I don't think I want to know how he cracked the Zodiac case  ;D :D

Some people are still going to swing from trees even after you have provided them with streets and a board walk-way!   :) Progress takes time.  ;D

That's funny!  Is that an original quote or is it a famous quote from somewhere?  Either way, it's good and apt.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 20, 2015, 04:51:32 PM
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Geivett is the one making claims. It's up to him to provide some corroboration of his claims! He mentions FBI Agents Larry Carr and Curtis Eng but so far neither of them has issued any public support for Geivett and his claims. Pending that, what can anyone do except be a spectator?

He's a character for sure. I don't think I want to know how he cracked the Zodiac case  ;D :D

Some people are still going to swing from trees even after you have provided them with streets and a board walk-way!   :) Progress takes time.  ;D

That's funny!  Is that an original quote or is it a famous quote from somewhere?  Either way, it's good and apt.

It's mine. Actually it comes from my grandmother.

My grandmother began teaching country school at age 16 (1903). Eventually she enrolled at Famous U to get a teacher's degree but the girl's dorm was twelve long blocks from where classes were given. None of the streets in Famous City were paved ... all mud ... it was a wet year. Likewise the path the girls had to walk to and from classes was a mud furrow. The girls asked the Univ or the City to lay down boards for a walkway but the City and the Univ refused. At the end of the term my grandmother transferred to another college, in the poor part of the State, where they did have board walks on the college campus! Gram earned her doctorate in Mathematics and Natural Philosophy at the Univ of Colorado in 1930. She always said 'any place where people still swing from trees and won't lay down a board walkway through the mud, is a place to avoid!'  I've never forgotten that axiom. :)   
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 20, 2015, 05:37:23 PM
Ah, Grey Cop.

What to do, eh? Paul is a handful, and even drunk I couldn't handle him a couple years back at Ariel (Thank You Mark for taking over those Life Guarding duties...)

He makes no substantive contributions to the DB Cooper case, but he is a man wanting to be part of our club. I find it hard to say "no."  What if Georger wanted me banned because I endeavor to find DB Cooper using remote viewing? I would not be happy.

Perhaps you could put him on a trial basis - consider posting whatever he sends you first as an email. This way you can edit/censor his stuff while he gets his foot in the door. If his email passes your sniff test, then post it here.

If that's too much work or not something that you really want to do, then perhaps you can suggest to him that he send me his commentaries. If he writes essays on Cooper, I'll consider them for posting at the Mountain News. Or send his Forum submissions to me. I volunteer to be the Crazy Person/Grey Cop Editor-in-Chief for this forum.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 20, 2015, 05:43:02 PM
Shut, your Grandmother sounds like a great lady. Slogging through the mud AND getting an advanced degree in the sciences during the 1920s. Impressive.

Reminds me of my mom. She graduated from Smith College in 1946, majoring in mathematics. When I was growing up I never thought much of it, but now I realize she is the only woman I've ever met who majored in math in college. I consider that pretty impressive, too.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2015, 05:51:33 PM
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Shut, your Grandmother sounds like a great lady. Slogging through the mud AND getting an advanced degree in the sciences during the 1920s. Impressive.

Reminds me of my mom. She graduated from Smith College in 1946, majoring in mathematics. When I was growing up I never thought much of it, but now I realize she is the only woman I've ever met who majored in math in college. I consider that pretty impressive, too.


You have me confused with Georger....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 20, 2015, 05:53:55 PM
OOPS!
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2015, 06:01:45 PM
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I find it hard to say "no

Remote viewing is one thing. lying about the FBI agreeing with your conclusion is another. posting someone's phone number is another problem. failing to listen to people etc. etc.

Now he thinks he solved another case? he's going to catch up to Blevins in no time on the whopper scale.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 20, 2015, 10:46:37 PM
Apparently Kenny Christiansen was a busy guy. hijacking planes, and now if I'm reading Paul's reply correctly, he was the Zodiac killer.... :D

"+TheDBCooperforum  SORRY BUT CURTIS ENG CALLED ME 2 WEEKS LATER  AND SAID I HAD INDEED SOLVES THE CASE, 2 WEEKS BEFORE HE TOLD ME TO GO TO THE NEWS  THIS WAS ON 6 17 13  , I KNEW IF IT WAS ON THE NEW AND DID NOT RESERVE MY RIGHTS , AND DO THE BOOK  ,WOULD BE COPYCATS ,PS I SPENT 3 HRS WITH STEVE BAILDINO HE NOW LIVES BY ME AND HE SAID ZODIAC WAS KENNETH P CH AFTER WE TALKED , LARRY CARR  WAS GOING TO SEND AN AGENT TO MY HOUSE ON 6 17 15 BUT I SAID THE PROOF WAS IN THE OFFICE , I CALLED ABOUT 10  AND WAS IN THE FBI OFFICE 2 ,,,AFTER GETTING PULLED OVER BY WSP AND GOT A 600 DOLLAR TICKET  WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BACK OF THE TICKET WERE HE TALKED ABOUT ME GOING TO MEET WITH THE FBI AND WOULD NOT TELL HIM WHY, BUT THE TICKET WAS NO GOOD IN COURT  HA HA HA ,  SORRY"
Title: Radio Jump results
Post by: 377 on September 21, 2015, 01:13:35 PM
Was hot as hell at Byron yesterday, over 100 F, but radio jump was successful. Made about a dozen contacts out to 125 miles on 28.425 MHz, 5 watts, right next to CB frequencies. Interestingly one contact was a ham in a car over 100 miles away. I exited at 13,500, was open at about 12,000, spent about 700 ft kicking out line twists then deployed my end fed dipole trailing wire antenna (small enough to store in a Ziplock bag) and started working stations. Jettisoned my antenna at 1700 ft but unfortunately did it when I was in the sun, ground crew couldn't see it falling to earth with its orange streamer. Lost it in 7 ft high weeds. Oh well.

Attached is a photo taken yesterday showing radio pouch front mounted.

377



Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 21, 2015, 04:27:30 PM
Is that a side band freq.?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 21, 2015, 05:02:32 PM
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Is that a side band freq.?

I used sideband, USB. AM operation is OK on that freq too.

Too bad Cooper didn't use a radio. He could have reached a CB radio equipped car MANY miles away using a CB walkie talkie under canopy. If he could describe his location a rendezvous might have been possible.

I used to be a freefall addict, using up every inch until the minimum pull altitude. I now really like the high openings. The radio jumps are fun, cruising around up there, looking at a fantastic view of N California while working enthusiastic hams thrilled to get such a rare contact. And only $24 for the ride up. Such a deal.

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 21, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
Cossey Update

Good news. Sgt Cindi West has just rotated back into her old job as PIO at the Kings County Sheriff's Office. I asked her about the Cossey homicide investigation and she said she was wondering about it, too. She promised to make inquiries and get back to me.

Sgt West is my favorite PIO, so I'm hoping for something good.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on September 22, 2015, 12:18:06 AM
Bruce:  Maybe Sgt West will find some DNA to match with Sheridan's at Cossey's home as I think they were partners in the DB Cooper Caper,

Bob Sailshaw
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 22, 2015, 11:38:11 PM
The Sarge says that she has nothing new to report. She apparently checked with Major Case, and they had nothing new for her.

Sgt West, ahem, Cindi, is a big DB Cooper fan. She's gonna buy my book, and I have offered to take her on a tour of Cooper Country...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 23, 2015, 12:40:00 AM
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The Sarge says that she has nothing new to report. She apparently checked with Major Case, and they had nothing new for her.

Sgt West, ahem, Cindi, is a big DB Cooper fan. She's gonna buy my book, and I have offered to take her on a tour of Cooper Country...

Sign the Sarge up here! She might find this place interesting...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: andrade1812 on September 23, 2015, 12:54:57 PM
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Apparently Kenny Christiansen was a busy guy. hijacking planes, and now if I'm reading Paul's reply correctly, he was the Zodiac killer.... :D

"+TheDBCooperforum  SORRY BUT CURTIS ENG CALLED ME 2 WEEKS LATER  AND SAID I HAD INDEED SOLVES THE CASE, 2 WEEKS BEFORE HE TOLD ME TO GO TO THE NEWS  THIS WAS ON 6 17 13  , I KNEW IF IT WAS ON THE NEW AND DID NOT RESERVE MY RIGHTS , AND DO THE BOOK  ,WOULD BE COPYCATS ,PS I SPENT 3 HRS WITH STEVE BAILDINO HE NOW LIVES BY ME AND HE SAID ZODIAC WAS KENNETH P CH AFTER WE TALKED , LARRY CARR  WAS GOING TO SEND AN AGENT TO MY HOUSE ON 6 17 15 BUT I SAID THE PROOF WAS IN THE OFFICE , I CALLED ABOUT 10  AND WAS IN THE FBI OFFICE 2 ,,,AFTER GETTING PULLED OVER BY WSP AND GOT A 600 DOLLAR TICKET  WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BACK OF THE TICKET WERE HE TALKED ABOUT ME GOING TO MEET WITH THE FBI AND WOULD NOT TELL HIM WHY, BUT THE TICKET WAS NO GOOD IN COURT  HA HA HA ,  SORRY"

If nothing else, ban anyone who types in ALL CAPS.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on September 23, 2015, 02:01:13 PM
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Apparently Kenny Christiansen was a busy guy. hijacking planes, and now if I'm reading Paul's reply correctly, he was the Zodiac killer.... :D

"+TheDBCooperforum  SORRY BUT CURTIS ENG CALLED ME 2 WEEKS LATER  AND SAID I HAD INDEED SOLVES THE CASE, 2 WEEKS BEFORE HE TOLD ME TO GO TO THE NEWS  THIS WAS ON 6 17 13  , I KNEW IF IT WAS ON THE NEW AND DID NOT RESERVE MY RIGHTS , AND DO THE BOOK  ,WOULD BE COPYCATS ,PS I SPENT 3 HRS WITH STEVE BAILDINO HE NOW LIVES BY ME AND HE SAID ZODIAC WAS KENNETH P CH AFTER WE TALKED , LARRY CARR  WAS GOING TO SEND AN AGENT TO MY HOUSE ON 6 17 15 BUT I SAID THE PROOF WAS IN THE OFFICE , I CALLED ABOUT 10  AND WAS IN THE FBI OFFICE 2 ,,,AFTER GETTING PULLED OVER BY WSP AND GOT A 600 DOLLAR TICKET  WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BACK OF THE TICKET WERE HE TALKED ABOUT ME GOING TO MEET WITH THE FBI AND WOULD NOT TELL HIM WHY, BUT THE TICKET WAS NO GOOD IN COURT  HA HA HA ,  SORRY"

If nothing else, ban anyone who types in ALL CAPS.

We agree on the ALL CAPS remark.  The next thing we know, this guy will be claiming that he has also found the long missing Judge Crater.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on September 23, 2015, 03:02:28 PM
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Apparently Kenny Christiansen was a busy guy. hijacking planes, and now if I'm reading Paul's reply correctly, he was the Zodiac killer.... :D

"+TheDBCooperforum  SORRY BUT CURTIS ENG CALLED ME 2 WEEKS LATER  AND SAID I HAD INDEED SOLVES THE CASE, 2 WEEKS BEFORE HE TOLD ME TO GO TO THE NEWS  THIS WAS ON 6 17 13  , I KNEW IF IT WAS ON THE NEW AND DID NOT RESERVE MY RIGHTS , AND DO THE BOOK  ,WOULD BE COPYCATS ,PS I SPENT 3 HRS WITH STEVE BAILDINO HE NOW LIVES BY ME AND HE SAID ZODIAC WAS KENNETH P CH AFTER WE TALKED , LARRY CARR  WAS GOING TO SEND AN AGENT TO MY HOUSE ON 6 17 15 BUT I SAID THE PROOF WAS IN THE OFFICE , I CALLED ABOUT 10  AND WAS IN THE FBI OFFICE 2 ,,,AFTER GETTING PULLED OVER BY WSP AND GOT A 600 DOLLAR TICKET  WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BACK OF THE TICKET WERE HE TALKED ABOUT ME GOING TO MEET WITH THE FBI AND WOULD NOT TELL HIM WHY, BUT THE TICKET WAS NO GOOD IN COURT  HA HA HA ,  SORRY"

If nothing else, ban anyone who types in ALL CAPS.

We agree on the ALL CAPS remark.  The next thing we know, this guy will be claiming that he has also found the long missing Judge Crater.

Next, we'll find out Kenny was responsible for the JFK assassination.  It turns out Georger was innocent after all!  Who will tell Jo? :)
Title: Radio jump last Sunday, audio recording,
Post by: 377 on September 23, 2015, 06:46:32 PM
Audio recording: first portion, high altitude, is SSB on 10 meter band, second portion, lower altitude, is FM on 2 meter band.

https://soundcloud.com/boeing377/mission-21-jump2-jumper-1-10m-ssb-followed-by-2m-fm

N6SN, the second 10 meter contact, comes in very clear. He was over 100 miles away operating from a car!

377





Title: Re: Radio jump last Sunday, audio recording,
Post by: Shutter on September 23, 2015, 08:04:04 PM
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Audio recording: first portion, high altitude, is SSB on 10 meter band, second portion, lower altitude, is FM on 2 meter band.

https://soundcloud.com/boeing377/mission-21-jump2-jumper-1-10m-ssb-followed-by-2m-fm

N6SN, the second 10 meter contact, comes in very clear. He was over 100 miles away operating from a car!

377


Cool, are you going to try 11 meters? side band is pretty forgiving on distance....
Title: Re: Radio jump last Sunday, audio recording,
Post by: 377 on September 24, 2015, 02:02:46 AM
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Audio recording: first portion, high altitude, is SSB on 10 meter band, second portion, lower altitude, is FM on 2 meter band.

https://soundcloud.com/boeing377/mission-21-jump2-jumper-1-10m-ssb-followed-by-2m-fm

N6SN, the second 10 meter contact, comes in very clear. He was over 100 miles away operating from a car!

377


Cool, are you going to try 11 meters? side band is pretty forgiving on distance....

I'd jump with a 1967 vintage CB AM walkie talkie if someone with a car CB would guarantee to show up within say 50 miles of the DZ. CB is dead around here. My ham friends hold their noses at the mere mention of CB.

377

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 24, 2015, 05:59:11 AM
If you have a major highway around you could try it on channel 19, or a busy enough road that has truckers...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 24, 2015, 11:24:31 PM
A plane landed on a major highway I use. I missed this by probably several minutes. this is the the ramp I use in the morning. it's about a half a mile from my house...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQNE57xToM
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 25, 2015, 01:28:09 AM
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A plane landed on a major highway I use. I missed this by probably several minutes. this is the the ramp I use in the morning. it's about a half a mile from my house...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PQNE57xToM

Good grief! Thatw ould be a surprise to have come down in front or behind you! Looks like no collisions occurred?
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 25, 2015, 06:17:44 AM
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Looks like no collisions occurred?

He only clipped a car while landing....

I don't think he told them he was low on fuel. they wouldn't let him land at Fort Lauderdale due to traffic, so they passed him off to Miami International, he couldn't make that distance and ended up on the highway. a serious communication gap occurred. they could of diverted him to Fort lauderdale executive airport, or Perry airport, or allowed him to land at his intended target (Hollywood/Fort Lauderdale)

He ran out of fuel minutes after they refused to allow him to land?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 25, 2015, 12:26:51 PM
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Looks like no collisions occurred?

He only clipped a car while landing....

I don't think he told them he was low on fuel. they wouldn't let him land at Fort Lauderdale due to traffic, so they passed him off to Miami International, he couldn't make that distance and ended up on the highway. a serious communication gap occurred. they could of diverted him to Fort lauderdale executive airport, or Perry airport, or allowed him to land at his intended target (Hollywood/Fort Lauderdale)

He ran out of fuel minutes after they refused to allow him to land?

Reluctance to declare an emergency when stacked up iand running low on fuel has had fatal (and avoidable) consequences: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/05/nyregion/avianca-flight-52-the-delays-that-ended-in-disaster.html?pagewanted=all

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 25, 2015, 07:18:50 PM
Whats the standard procedure while on approach and they wave you off, but what would they do if you tell them you are running low on fuel? I'm guessing this will end up being a pilot error....


After reading the article 377 posted, I see he should have been allowed to land...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on September 26, 2015, 12:21:30 AM
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Whats the standard procedure while on approach and the wave you off, but what would they do if you tell them you are running low on fuel? I'm guessing this will end up being a pilot error....


After reading the article 377 posted, I see he should have been allowed to land...

The pilot should have told the tower about the low fuel situation.  Nevertheless, when push comes to shove, you go ahead and land regardless of what the tower says.  In the final analysis, the pilot is the sole authority on the operation of his aircraft.  The tower is advisory.

That airplane could have landed on a taxi way, the grass alongside a runway, or even on a ramp.  It could be easily stopped in less than 500 feet after touchdown.

The pilot and tower personnel could haggle over the matter later. 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 26, 2015, 04:04:25 PM
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Looks like no collisions occurred?

He only clipped a car while landing....

I don't think he told them he was low on fuel. they wouldn't let him land at Fort Lauderdale due to traffic, so they passed him off to Miami International, he couldn't make that distance and ended up on the highway. a serious communication gap occurred. they could of diverted him to Fort lauderdale executive airport, or Perry airport, or allowed him to land at his intended target (Hollywood/Fort Lauderdale)

He ran out of fuel minutes after they refused to allow him to land?

Reluctance to declare an emergency when stacked up iand running low on fuel has had fatal (and avoidable) consequences: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/05/nyregion/avianca-flight-52-the-delays-that-ended-in-disaster.html?pagewanted=all

377


Yup, that plane belly-flopped not too far from MY home! I didn't get to see it as the cops roped off the area pretty quick, and it was in a wooded estate area. Oyster Bay Cove, I believe.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 26, 2015, 07:45:42 PM
Ted Mayfield's Obituary....

http://www.adamsonssheridanfuneralhome.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3296514&fh_id=13560
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 27, 2015, 12:06:44 AM
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Whats the standard procedure while on approach and the wave you off, but what would they do if you tell them you are running low on fuel? I'm guessing this will end up being a pilot error....


After reading the article 377 posted, I see he should have been allowed to land...

The pilot should have told the tower about the low fuel situation.  Nevertheless, when push comes to shove, you go ahead and land regardless of what the tower says.  In the final analysis, the pilot is the sole authority on the operation of his aircraft.  The tower is advisory.

That airplane could have landed on a taxi way, the grass alongside a runway, or even on a ramp.  It could be easily stopped in less than 500 feet after touchdown.

The pilot and tower personnel could haggle over the matter later.

landing on a highway seems drastic to me IF there is any airport within range.  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 27, 2015, 12:33:26 AM
Eclipse times for various time zones tomorrow Night (Sunday) - hope you get to see it.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 27, 2015, 06:22:46 PM
Thanks, Georger.

We've got brilliantly blue skies here in Cooper Country today, so I expect to see the Super-Dooper eclipse. But sunset is only 10 minutes before the full onset of the eclipse, so it might get tricky.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 27, 2015, 06:55:36 PM
I'll try to get some pics if I can....

8:04 moon is super bright....

Live link from NASA can be found here...

http://heavy.com/news/2015/09/supermoon-super-blood-moon-lunar-eclipse-live-stream-video-online-nasa-free-youtube-ustream/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGLNWiNXEyo
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 28, 2015, 12:39:04 AM
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I'll try to get some pics if I can....

8:04 moon is super bright....

Live link from NASA can be found here...

http://heavy.com/news/2015/09/supermoon-super-blood-moon-lunar-eclipse-live-stream-video-online-nasa-free-youtube-ustream/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGLNWiNXEyo

There was heavy interest here, at all area observatories. Skies were excellent. Thanks for your links - Clear Skies.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 28, 2015, 12:41:04 AM
As soon as the eclipse started.....the clouds came and took my thunder  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 28, 2015, 02:40:41 AM
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As soon as the eclipse started.....the clouds came and took my thunder  :'( :'( :'(

That a shame ... some people didnt see it at all.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 28, 2015, 02:42:19 AM
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Thanks, Georger.

We've got brilliantly blue skies here in Cooper Country today, so I expect to see the Super-Dooper eclipse. But sunset is only 10 minutes before the full onset of the eclipse, so it might get tricky.

Bruce I saw a news clips including footage from the west - showing moon rising before sunset with eclipse in progress - it as a gorgeous sight! Take a look here on ABC. http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/solar-eclipse.htm

Thanks to all who showed interest ...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 28, 2015, 04:31:16 PM
Yes, the shots of the moon that show the local environment in a dusky twilight were cool.

But, in my part of Cooper County, I went out at 7 pm to see what was happening and had to contend with a 14, 410 foot mountain being in the way, plus all my neighbor's trees. Then my ex called to wish me a happy birthday....so by the time I got back the moon was plenty high enough but was just coming out of totality - 8:10-ish. Beautiful, red, big, but the thing that struck me was that the world was so quiet.

The next thing that impressed me was how bright the full moon was after the eclipse - whew - hardly a star could be seen.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on September 28, 2015, 06:09:33 PM
Moon Schmoon (actually the blood moon eclipse was spectacular from my location) the important sky news is SURFACE WATER ON MARS!!!

Salty, seepy, BUT WATER! Now why havent we found any evidence of life? I think Bruce needs to do some remote viewing in a new location. 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/09/28/mars-water-nasa/72971342/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

377


Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 28, 2015, 11:47:27 PM
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Moon Schmoon (actually the blood moon eclipse was spectacular from my location) the important sky news is SURFACE WATER ON MARS!!!

Salty, seepy, BUT WATER! Now why havent we found any evidence of life? I think Bruce needs to do some remote viewing in a new location. 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/09/28/mars-water-nasa/72971342/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

377

This current form of 'water' detected (hydrated oxychlorine salts) is not the form of water previously on Mars. The issue for life on Mars is whether self replicating RNA bounded by lipid membranes evolved into cells, in the previous wetter conditions on Mars. The issue now is can NASA find water in California! 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 29, 2015, 02:50:31 AM
377, your list for my remote viewings continues to grow!

I'll se what  I can find.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 29, 2015, 04:23:17 PM
My Birthday Update

Skipp Porteous just sent me a birthday greeting via Facebook. How about dat, eh? He was two days, late, but then so is Fb. I turned 66 on Sunday. Had a strange thought lying in bed on Monday. I'll be 84 for the next Super Moon eclipse. Whew.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 30, 2015, 01:52:02 PM
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My Birthday Update

Skipp Porteous just sent me a birthday greeting via Facebook. How about dat, eh? He was two days, late, but then so is Fb. I turned 66 on Sunday. Had a strange thought lying in bed on Monday. I'll be 84 for the next Super Moon eclipse. Whew.

I thought he was to sick to be on the computer?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 30, 2015, 02:50:35 PM
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My Birthday Update

Skipp Porteous just sent me a birthday greeting via Facebook. How about dat, eh? He was two days, late, but then so is Fb. I turned 66 on Sunday. Had a strange thought lying in bed on Monday. I'll be 84 for the next Super Moon eclipse. Whew.

I thought he was to sick to be on the computer?

I thot he hated Galen and Smith ... according to 'Seattle Books & House Cleaning' (which is actually in an 'Apt C' at Auburn WA)?

 ;)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on September 30, 2015, 03:38:02 PM
I didn't think that Skippy was a pal, either. Hence, my surprise with the Fb Happy Birthday greeting. 

As for his health and capacity to use a computer, it is clear to me that Skippy's difficulties continue. Typos galore, etc.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on September 30, 2015, 06:41:07 PM
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I thot he hated Galen and Smith ... according to 'Seattle Books & House Cleaning' (which is actually in an 'Apt C' at Auburn WA)?

He seems to have a different personality online. that's where most of his lies can be caught  ;)

I think he should ban together with Paul and solve all the unsolved cases. Robert thinks he solved the Cooper case, and Paul KNOWS he solved it along with the Zodiac case. Bobby is currently going to resolve the Cossey incident. these dynamic duo's are amazing!  ;D ;)

Is he still posting on his dead site? I haven't been there in a while. it appears "he got what is deserved in the end" or, what's his other line....the public will find you out in a "quick-new York hurry"  ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on September 30, 2015, 11:41:11 PM
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I thot he hated Galen and Smith ... according to 'Seattle Books & House Cleaning' (which is actually in an 'Apt C' at Auburn WA)?

He seems to have a different personality online. that's where most of his lies can be caught  ;)

I think he should ban together with Paul and solve all the unsolved cases. Robert thinks he solved the Cooper case, and Paul KNOWS he solved it along with the Zodiac case. Bobby is currently going to resolve the Cossey incident. these dynamic duo's are amazing!  ;D ;)

Is he still posting on his dead site? I haven't been there in a while. it appears "he got what is deserved in the end" or, what's his other line....the public will find you out in a "quick-new York hurry"  ;D

All I see on the Blevins site is Blevins himself _ everyone else has departed. No editorial comments required.  :) :) It's called: Natural selection ???
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Parrotheadvol on October 01, 2015, 09:58:49 AM
Yep, he's over there talking to himself.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 01, 2015, 05:13:49 PM
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Yep, he's over there talking to himself.


Ha, I wonder why he doesn't stick to his website? I seem to recall MILLIONS view it  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on October 01, 2015, 08:28:48 PM
Personally I think Blevins and Jo should be allowed back, perhaps on probation. Perma-bans are too harsh.

Blevins is a venom magnet but I never got my blood pressure up over anything he did. Jo is Jo, I just cant get mad at an elderly woman who is sincere in her beliefs.

I'd like to see Blevins and Jo come back and demonstrate that they know how to behave on this playground. If that doesnt fly with Shutter maybe they could be given restricted access, like they could read everything but could only post to an "outcast page" on this forum. ;)

I wish I could get Snowmman to post here. He is a good friend but I have zero influence over his actions.

377

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 01, 2015, 10:06:38 PM
I respect your opinion 377, but it isn't going to happen. Jo is not that bad, but Robert is a different story all together.

I have sympathy for Jo, but I can't ignore what she did to Vicki. Jo sent me an email several weeks ago stating she would not be sending anymore emails about anything. I haven't heard from her in a while. to me, Jo hasn't left at all. she has been playing referee through emails to me for the last 6 months telling me who is wrong on things said here. I don't mind that, but it will  not work here on this forum.

As for Robert....not a chance in hell. he can't even keep people on his own forum. I've seen the offline conversations he's had with "his members"...you have every right to join a forum under any name you wish, and not worry about stating your real name. he wants to try and top everyone, be above everyone. he tells outrageous/false stories about his real life. he's argumentative to always pissing everyone off on the forum. he loves to give advice, but refuses to accept any. it goes on and on. no, you can't ignore him while he's in the room either. he just keeps pushing.

This guy posted endlessly on Dropzone about me being on a free server, and censorship etc. etc. then turns around and does the same damn thing. he gave Bruce a thumbs up on his book, then removes his review. then reichenbach starts in on Bruce, and suddenly Robert thinks the book is crap? he screams "hate mongers" and turns around allowing his Moderator to call Bruce a scumbag, and calling people low life's.

I realize you like Robert, and that's fine, but I have to look at it from a different view. I have the health of this forum to consider, it's not personal, it's business. it would be a loss more than a gain. I'm sorry, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles...

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 02, 2015, 12:03:13 AM
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I respect your opinion 377, but it isn't going to happen. Jo is not that bad, but Robert is a different story all together.

I have sympathy for Jo, but I can't ignore what she did to Vicki. Jo sent me an email several weeks ago stating she would not be sending anymore emails about anything. I haven't heard from her in a while. to me, Jo hasn't left at all. she has been playing referee through emails to me for the last 6 months telling me who is wrong on things said here. I don't mind that, but it will  not work here on this forum.

As for Robert....not a chance in hell. he can't even keep people on his own forum. I've seen the offline conversations he's had with "his members"...you have every right to join a forum under any name you wish, and not worry about stating your real name. he wants to try and top everyone, be above everyone. he tells outrageous/false stories about his real life. he's argumentative to always pissing everyone off on the forum. he loves to give advice, but refuses to accept any. it goes on and on. no, you can't ignore him while he's in the room either. he just keeps pushing.

This guy posted endlessly on Dropzone about me being on a free server, and censorship etc. etc. then turns around and does the same damn thing. he gave Bruce a thumbs up on his book, then removes his review. then reichenbach starts in on Bruce, and suddenly Robert thinks the book is crap? he screams "hate mongers" and turns around allowing his Moderator to call Bruce a scumbag, and calling people low life's.

I realize you like Robert, and that's fine, but I have to look at it from a different view. I have the health of this forum to consider, it's not personal, it's business. it would be a loss more than a gain. I'm sorry, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles...

Shutter

Both Blevins and Jo left devastation in their wake. That sealed it for me. Both are narcissistic. And Blevins isn't even intelligent! Nothing has fundamentally changed, nor will it ever change.
 ::)
 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on October 02, 2015, 01:16:53 AM
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Both Blevins and Jo left devastation in their wake. That sealed it for me. Both are narcissistic. And Blevins isn't even intelligent! Nothing has fundamentally changed, nor will it ever change.
 ::)

+ 1
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 02, 2015, 08:41:59 AM
The bottom line is "The Natural Born Story Teller" will not get a chance to start whining here. he should be writing a book about his dangerous adventures. warning shots fired, bullet fragments in his arm, motorcycle all over the road (no tickets). lost at sea, lost in the woods etc. etc.....Home Of The Whopper  ;D

He has just what he deserves. a forum with nobody on it giving all him the all FREEDOM needed to tell his fantasies which would be to nobody but, himself.  8)

I'll bet he's already posted something about these recent comments. he told me over and over that he doesn't come here anymore, or the famous "couple times a month BS. just more lies from him.

No thanks....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on October 02, 2015, 09:30:10 AM
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The bottom line is "The Natural Born Story Teller" will not get a chance to start whining here. he should be writing a book about his dangerous adventures. warning shots fired, bullet fragments in his arm, motorcycle all over the road (no tickets). lost at sea, lost in the woods etc. etc.....Home Of The Whopper  ;D

He has just what he deserves. a forum with nobody on it giving all him the all FREEDOM needed to tell his fantasies which would be to nobody but, himself.  8)

I'll bet he's already posted something about these recent comments. he told me over and over that he doesn't come here anymore, or the famous "couple times a month BS. just more lies from him.

No thanks....
To me, this website is a place where people can share resources and their opinions.  There seems to be a diverse bunch of personalities here coexist and even help one another.  So the question is, what is the purpose of this website?  Is it a place where we can work together for the eventual solution of this difficult case, or is it an entertainment site where we can watch people argue and flame each other?  DZ seemed to have evolved into the latter before it was shut down.  DZ was dominated by a couple people with suspect based agendas, who would post endless monologues about suspects the FBI, and anybody with half a brain, and a 1/4 cup of common sense, already dismissed years ago.

Progress is being made here (thedbcooperforum).  New suspects are being looked at and new information is being shared.  People's theories are tested and there are some pretty smart people keeping certain personalities in "check".  So would adding Robert or Jo help us move forward, or would this site digress? 

I for one don't need to hear about the world being flat or Rome being the center of the universe again and again.  Just because someone "believes" something and repeats it over and over and over, doesn't make it true.  Kenny Christainsen is not D.B. Cooper.  Duane Webber is not D.B. Cooper.  Most of us here know that as fact.  Watching a couple people trying to fit a round peg in a square hole here would be entertaining for a few hours, then it would turn into a nightmare of endless posts burying and obscuring the progress that has been made here.  Let's look forward, not backward.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 02, 2015, 09:47:22 AM
Well said NMI....

I seen the future of Dropzone coming to an end. a few ingredients were take out of the formula in order for a new avenue to begin. the key elements are being proven as you stated above. we have a flow of new information coming in, as well as suspects to look over. no bickering going on with every post made here. actually we have zero at the moment. people respect each other here, and don't resort to childish tactics to be heard. we have posters stepping up to the plate to help out the forum which helps me more than I can express! people going outside the computer knowledge zone seeking answers that can't be found online. it's exactly what I had hoped for when I first started this forum.

I appreciate everyone here, and would like to personally thank all of you for helping this forum build into something positive. regardless of a lone survivor screaming out trying to be heard, but it's now nothing but a faint buzzing noise  ;D

Some of you are still working hard in the background finishing up things to be presented. I will be looking forward to everyone's hard work in the future.

Shutter
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 02, 2015, 01:51:36 PM
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The bottom line is "The Natural Born Story Teller" will not get a chance to start whining here. he should be writing a book about his dangerous adventures. warning shots fired, bullet fragments in his arm, motorcycle all over the road (no tickets). lost at sea, lost in the woods etc. etc.....Home Of The Whopper  ;D

He has just what he deserves. a forum with nobody on it giving all him the all FREEDOM needed to tell his fantasies which would be to nobody but, himself.  8)

I'll bet he's already posted something about these recent comments. he told me over and over that he doesn't come here anymore, or the famous "couple times a month BS. just more lies from him.

No thanks....
To me, this website is a place where people can share resources and their opinions.  There seems to be a diverse bunch of personalities here coexist and even help one another.  So the question is, what is the purpose of this website?  Is it a place where we can work together for the eventual solution of this difficult case, or is it an entertainment site where we can watch people argue and flame each other?  DZ seemed to have evolved into the latter before it was shut down.  DZ was dominated by a couple people with suspect based agendas, who would post endless monologues about suspects the FBI, and anybody with half a brain, and a 1/4 cup of common sense, already dismissed years ago.

Progress is being made here (thedbcooperforum).  New suspects are being looked at and new information is being shared.  People's theories are tested and there are some pretty smart people keeping certain personalities in "check".  So would adding Robert or Jo help us move forward, or would this site digress? 

I for one don't need to hear about the world being flat or Rome being the center of the universe again and again.  Just because someone "believes" something and repeats it over and over and over, doesn't make it true.  Kenny Christainsen is not D.B. Cooper.  Duane Webber is not D.B. Cooper.  Most of us here know that as fact.  Watching a couple people trying to fit a round peg in a square hole here would be entertaining for a few hours, then it would turn into a nightmare of endless posts burying and obscuring the progress that has been made here.  Let's look forward, not backward.

+1  ;)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on October 02, 2015, 02:19:15 PM
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Well said NMI....

I seen the future of Dropzone coming to an end. a few ingredients were take out of the formula in order for a new avenue to begin. the key elements are being proven as you stated above. we have a flow of new information coming in, as well as suspects to look over. no bickering going on with every post made here. actually we have zero at the moment. people respect each other here, and don't resort to childish tactics to be heard. we have posters stepping up to the plate to help out the forum which helps me more than I can express! people going outside the computer knowledge zone seeking answers that can't be found online. it's exactly what I had hoped for when I first started this forum.

I appreciate everyone here, and would like to personally thank all of you for helping this forum build into something positive. regardless of a lone survivor screaming out trying to be heard, but it's now nothing but a faint buzzing noise  ;D

Some of you are still working hard in the background finishing up things to be presented. I will be looking forward to everyone's hard work in the future.

Shutter

Shutter,
I appreciate your efforts.  Sometimes managing a discussion site is a lot like herding cats.

As a general principle, I don't like to see anyone excluded from the discussion, but I understand that sometimes it has to happen.  I'd like to think people who are an issue would tweak their behavior and could stay, but it seems many of those either can't see or don't want to see what their issues are.

It's not an easy task and I appreciate all that you do to keep this site a positive experience with lots of good information.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 02, 2015, 02:22:32 PM
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Well said NMI....

I seen the future of Dropzone coming to an end. a few ingredients were take out of the formula in order for a new avenue to begin. the key elements are being proven as you stated above. we have a flow of new information coming in, as well as suspects to look over. no bickering going on with every post made here. actually we have zero at the moment. people respect each other here, and don't resort to childish tactics to be heard. we have posters stepping up to the plate to help out the forum which helps me more than I can express! people going outside the computer knowledge zone seeking answers that can't be found online. it's exactly what I had hoped for when I first started this forum.

I appreciate everyone here, and would like to personally thank all of you for helping this forum build into something positive. regardless of a lone survivor screaming out trying to be heard, but it's now nothing but a faint buzzing noise  ;D

Some of you are still working hard in the background finishing up things to be presented. I will be looking forward to everyone's hard work in the future.

Shutter

Shutter,
I appreciate your efforts.  Sometimes managing a discussion site is a lot like herding cats.

As a general principle, I don't like to see anyone excluded from the discussion, but I understand that sometimes it has to happen.  I'd like to think people who are an issue would tweak their behavior and could stay, but it seems many of those either can't see or don't want to see what their issues are.

It's not an easy task and I appreciate all that you do to keep this site a positive experience with lots of good information.

For me it's simple: comes a point where you have to take a stand against BULLIES!

Don't worry. Blevins still has his .45cal pistol and his woods. Jo still has her telephone. They just cant go out for recess any more and beat up everyone else on the playground!  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)   Or spread their lies here.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 02, 2015, 03:26:40 PM
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As a general principle, I don't like to see anyone excluded from the discussion, but I understand that sometimes it has to happen.  I'd like to think people who are an issue would tweak their behavior and could stay, but it seems many of those either can't see or don't want to see what their issues are.

Changing your personality is a huge effort. I don't see that happening here. rules are put into place for a reason. he decided to constantly go against them, so he gets what he deserves....nothing! I don't get any pleasure in blocking anyone, it's just part of the job. as I mentioned before, it will do more harm than good.

I took a look at his site and sure enough he is blasting away.....he will never change.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2015, 06:25:54 AM
Quote
Just saw this today:

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/11/history-channel-could-help-solve-infamous-alcatraz-escape/21247772/

Off topic for the Cooper case, but if this turns out to be true, it would be an example of a high profile case in which the authorities assumed the bad guys died and were wrong. Curious to see how this turns out.

I think this airs tonight, may also be a big bunch of nothing.



Thanks for the info. they seem to make it sound good, but you would think we would of heard something on the news if they survived..I think it's possible they covered part of this up. this was suppose to be an escape proof prison. they didn't want egg on there faces with the escape. much like the Cooper case it's riddled with problems, and theories.

Recently, the US Marshal's found documents buried in the files.
1) A guard reported a boat very close to the island shutting down for some time, and then start up and leave.
2) A police report was found about a stolen car. they claimed no crimes were committed the next day.
3) A raft was supposedly found on Angel Island with foot prints leading away...the report was made, but nothing was ever mentioned about this to the public.

Much like the Cooper case it leaves unanswered questions. did they make it?, or are they at the bottom of the bay. similar to a pull/no pull scenario with Cooper...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 13, 2015, 03:11:36 PM
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Just saw this today:

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/11/history-channel-could-help-solve-infamous-alcatraz-escape/21247772/

Off topic for the Cooper case, but if this turns out to be true, it would be an example of a high profile case in which the authorities assumed the bad guys died and were wrong. Curious to see how this turns out.

I think this airs tonight, may also be a big bunch of nothing.



Thanks for the info. they seem to make it sound good, but you would think we would of heard something on the news if they survived..I think it's possible they covered part of this up. this was suppose to be an escape proof prison. they didn't want egg on there faces with the escape. much like the Cooper case it's riddled with problems, and theories.

Recently, the US Marshal's found documents buried in the files.
1) A guard reported a boat very close to the island shutting down for some time, and then start up and leave.
2) A police report was found about a stolen car. they claimed no crimes were committed the next day.
3) A raft was supposedly found on Angel Island with foot prints leading away...the report was made, but nothing was ever mentioned about this to the public.

Much like the Cooper case it leaves unanswered questions. did they make it?, or are they at the bottom of the bay. similar to a pull/no pull scenario with Cooper...

Christmas cards supposedly sent by the brothers after the escape, could not be authenticated.

Bones from a body washed up after the escape, claimed by LE as probably belonging to one of the brothers, turned out to be not genetically related to the brothers, but somebody else.

A photo of the brothers supposedly in Brazil years after the escape was judged by some forensic analyst as being identical to the facial features of the brothers.

The case is still active in the US Marshall's office.
 

 

 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on October 13, 2015, 03:57:10 PM
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Just saw this today:

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/11/history-channel-could-help-solve-infamous-alcatraz-escape/21247772/

Off topic for the Cooper case, but if this turns out to be true, it would be an example of a high profile case in which the authorities assumed the bad guys died and were wrong. Curious to see how this turns out.

I think this airs tonight, may also be a big bunch of nothing.



Thanks for the info. they seem to make it sound good, but you would think we would of heard something on the news if they survived..I think it's possible they covered part of this up. this was suppose to be an escape proof prison. they didn't want egg on there faces with the escape. much like the Cooper case it's riddled with problems, and theories.

Recently, the US Marshal's found documents buried in the files.
1) A guard reported a boat very close to the island shutting down for some time, and then start up and leave.
2) A police report was found about a stolen car. they claimed no crimes were committed the next day.
3) A raft was supposedly found on Angel Island with foot prints leading away...the report was made, but nothing was ever mentioned about this to the public.

Much like the Cooper case it leaves unanswered questions. did they make it?, or are they at the bottom of the bay. similar to a pull/no pull scenario with Cooper...

Christmas cards supposedly sent by the brothers after the escape, could not be authenticated.

Bones from a body washed up after the escape, claimed by LE as probably belonging to one of the brothers, turned out to be not genetically related to the brothers, but somebody else.

A photo of the brothers supposedly in Brazil years after the escape was judged by some forensic analyst as being identical to the facial features of the brothers.

The case is still active in the US Marshall's office.
 

Since Brazil does not have an extradition treaty with the USA, there is no reason for the brothers not to at least privately inform their family that they are alive.  Assuming they are there in the first place.  Personally, I doubt if they survived.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on October 13, 2015, 04:45:59 PM
Spent a lot of time on the waters of SF Bay and outside the Gate too. Really cold water, often 54-56 F. Strong tidal currents too. Can't say if the environment proved fatal but unless they had a good "boat" and an effective way to propel it, the odds were not good.

What about the alleged freighter report of sighting a body in prison garb between the Gate and Pt Reyes? Has that been authenticated? From Wikipedia:

"The FBI said in their report that on July 17, 1962, a Norwegian ship spotted a body floating in the water 20 miles northwest of the Golden Gate Bridge. Although they did not retrieve the body and did not report the sighting until October, they told the police the body was dressed in clothes that prisoners on Alcatraz used, and that the body resembled that of Frank Morris.[10]"

I'm wondering if in his revision Sheridan Peterson will delete the text passage about walking on the banks of the Columbia River in very cold weather in inadequate footwear? Seemed oddly out of place in a novel about Vietnam and had curious parallels to NORJACK from Cooper's perspective. So did making a wilderness jump at the end of the novel over unknown terrain, worrying about AGL altitude. And how about tipping the pilot a twenty? Will all that be deleted?  ;)

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2015, 07:01:45 PM
It's hard to say about the sighting from the ship. the Marshals are starting to believe the Anglin's might of killed Morris off. they had no use for him once they were off the island.

377, don't you recall talking about the ship finding it odd they didn't have a radio on board...

Lots of people have made rafts and crossed, but some of them also failed...mythbusters made it..

An inmate supposedly received a post card with a code telling him they made it...."Gone Fishing" Clarence Carnes was the inmate.

was it an over sight they buried some of these files, or was it intensional?

I wonder how much evidence is buried in the files with Cooper? I can see more reason to cover up the escape though..
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on October 13, 2015, 07:25:53 PM
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377, don't you recall talking about the ship finding it odd they didn't have a radio on board...


There may have been two bodies spotted.  I have seen a report that a ship departing San Francisco for the Far East spotted a body the day of, or day after, the escape attempt just outside the Golden Gate Bridge.  That ship couldn't afford to stop but reportedly radioed the US Coast Guard the location of the sighting.  However, the Coast Guard did not have a ship available to check out the report. 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2015, 07:31:13 PM
This is a pretty good video. it tells about the buried files. the good stuff is towards the middle of the video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu6RGEebnKg
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on October 13, 2015, 07:36:19 PM
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It's hard to say about the sighting from the ship. the Marshals are starting to believe the Anglin's might of killed Morris off. they had no use for him once they were off the island.

377, don't you recall talking about the ship finding it odd they didn't have a radio on board...

Lots of people have made rafts and crossed, but some of them also failed...mythbusters made it..

An inmate supposedly received a post card with a code telling him they made it...."Gone Fishing" Clarence Carnes was the inmate.

was it an over sight they buried some of these files, or was it intensional?

I wonder how much evidence is buried in the files with Cooper? I can see more reason to cover up the escape though..

The ship would DEFINITELY have had a radio. Required by law even then. A really good raft, effective paddles and slack tide would have increased their survival chances by a lot.

You need insulation from the cold water. Even in a floating raft they could become hypothernic because the raft bottom is not insulated. Two guys aren't going to bring SF Bay up to 98.6 F. SF Bay is trying to cool them to 54 F.

54 F isn't quickly fatal, it takes time, but it quickly reduces effectiveness as you become hypothermic and exhausted.

Water Temperature   Exhaustion Time   Death Time
(oF)   (oC)   (hours)   (hours)

70 - 80   21 - 27   3 - 12                  3 - unlimited
60 - 70   16 - 21   2 - 7                          2 - 40
50 - 60   10 - 16   1 - 2                          1 - 6
40 - 50   4 - 10   0.5 - 1                  1 - 3

Was it survivable? Yes. Did they survive? Maybe  Same deal as Cooper.

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 13, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
Much like the Cooper case, it has options..did the raft fail right away, halfway, or did it stay intact. it's hard to say how much the water was an issue on/in the raft. did they off Morris giving plausibility to the sighting of Morris in the water? more sightings have surfaced with the Anglin's than Morris...the Anglin's were good swimmers, including swimming in lake Michigan during the winter..

I use to think they didn't make it, but now I'm not so sure?  :-\
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on October 14, 2015, 01:09:54 AM
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Much like the Cooper case, it has options..did the raft fail right away, halfway, or did it stay intact. it's hard to say how much the water was an issue on/in the raft. did they off Morris giving plausibility to the sighting of Morris in the water? more sightings have surfaced with the Anglin's than Morris...the Anglin's were good swimmers, including swimming in lake Michigan during the winter..

I use to think they didn't make it, but now I'm not so sure?  :-\

If the Anglins went swimming in Lake Michigan during the winter, they probably had to break some ice first.  Ice fishing is very popular on some of the Great Lakes.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 14, 2015, 03:00:00 AM
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Much like the Cooper case, it has options..did the raft fail right away, halfway, or did it stay intact. it's hard to say how much the water was an issue on/in the raft. did they off Morris giving plausibility to the sighting of Morris in the water? more sightings have surfaced with the Anglin's than Morris...the Anglin's were good swimmers, including swimming in lake Michigan during the winter..

I use to think they didn't make it, but now I'm not so sure?  :-\

If the Anglins went swimming in Lake Michigan during the winter, they probably had to break some ice first.  Ice fishing is very popular on some of the Great Lakes.

I classify this as: 'my grandmother used to walk 50 miles, one way, back and forth each day just to go to country school, all through the winter ... with a 100lb load on her back and wolves and bears chasing her each day ...' Yepper Grandma!  :) :) :) :)

Im sure the Anglin criminals had it much tougher in their Arctic swim to freedom ... with Orca's and White Sharks on their heals! And still they made it. Yepper Grandma!

 :o
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on October 14, 2015, 08:41:45 AM
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Much like the Cooper case, it has options..did the raft fail right away, halfway, or did it stay intact. it's hard to say how much the water was an issue on/in the raft. did they off Morris giving plausibility to the sighting of Morris in the water? more sightings have surfaced with the Anglin's than Morris...the Anglin's were good swimmers, including swimming in lake Michigan during the winter..

I use to think they didn't make it, but now I'm not so sure?  :-\

If the Anglins went swimming in Lake Michigan during the winter, they probably had to break some ice first.  Ice fishing is very popular on some of the Great Lakes.

I classify this as: 'my grandmother used to walk 50 miles, one way, back and forth each day just to go to country school, all through the winter ... with a 100lb load on her back and wolves and bears chasing her each day ...' Yepper Grandma!  :) :) :) :)

Im sure the Anglin criminals had it much tougher in their Arctic swim to freedom ... with Orca's and White Sharks on their heals! And still they made it. Yepper Grandma!

 :o
As much as I am a proponent of "Cooper died", and have a strong dislike of urban legends of people with super-powers, I have to say that these guys had a chance.  The distance to Angel Island was only 1.7 miles and the closest land was only 1.3 miles.  They would have spent less than an hour in water with a temperature of about 55 degrees.  A friend of mine, who just passed away a month ago  :(, survived in a life raft for 36 hours, with air temps below freezing and water temps in the low 40s.  Of course the counter to that is all his ship mates froze to death on that raft:
Dennis Hale, Shipwreck Survivor (http://www.themorningnews.org/article/the-gales-of-november)

The inmates were extremely motivated and in very good physical condition.  It's amazing what the human body and mind can do under certain conditions.  Their escape was certainly survivable, but like Cooper, there is no proof that they lived, or died.

The relatives who claim they are still alive might be doing this as a money making ploy.  Money is a great incentive to create a story, or to turn in a relative you barely know.  It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on October 14, 2015, 11:50:11 AM
Shutter wrote: " Money is a great incentive to create a story..."

The dream of big bucks is behind much of Cooper literature, but the anticipated profit is just an illusion.

The Vortex sucks up money as well as time and rationality.

Bruce is well on his way to breaking $1 per hour and I wish him luck!

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Parrotheadvol on October 14, 2015, 06:56:14 PM
I watched the show and found it very interesting. But, I have a hard time trusting shows like this, because you don't always get the whole story. Producers of such shows can steer viewers toward a desired conclusion. I can recall a certain episode of the show "Decoded", that was able to convince some viewers that a certain person committed a certain crime, by misrepresenting facts and even inventing facts.

Still, this seems to have a little bit of merit to it. Hopefully we get to see an answer one way or another.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2015, 07:36:00 PM
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Shutter wrote: " Money is a great incentive to create a story..."

The dream of big bucks is behind much of Cooper literature, but the anticipated profit is just an illusion.

The Vortex sucks up money as well as time and rationality.

Bruce is well on his way to breaking $1 per hour and I wish him luck!

377

I believe you are talking about NMIwreckes on that quote 377....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 14, 2015, 07:37:21 PM
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I watched the show and found it very interesting. But, I have a hard time trusting shows like this, because you don't always get the whole story. Producers of such shows can steer viewers toward a desired conclusion. I can recall a certain episode of the show "Decoded", that was able to convince some viewers that a certain person committed a certain crime, by misrepresenting facts and even inventing facts.

Still, this seems to have a little bit of merit to it. Hopefully we get to see an answer one way or another.


yes, and they didn't even realize they blew a hole in there own story by agreeing Bernie was not the accomplice....that's hollywood for ya  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on October 15, 2015, 12:36:22 PM
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Shutter wrote: " Money is a great incentive to create a story..."

The dream of big bucks is behind much of Cooper literature, but the anticipated profit is just an illusion.

The Vortex sucks up money as well as time and rationality.

Bruce is well on his way to breaking $1 per hour and I wish him luck!

377

I believe you are talking about NMIwreckes on that quote 377....

Sorry for the attribution error. 377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on October 15, 2015, 12:40:17 PM
Really a shame that the oft predicted end of MAD MEN didn't come to be. Don Draper did not become DB Cooper. It would have fanned a lot of new interest in the case.

https://medium.com/thelist/where-don-draper-ends-d-b-cooper-begins-e96804523838

The average age of Cooper buffs is quite high. We need new blood. Kanye West probably doesn't even know who DB Cooper is.  ;)

377

Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on October 15, 2015, 01:01:24 PM
Hypothermia isn't the only hazard in SF Bay:

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2015/10/14/Great-white-sharks-seal-attack-caught-on-camera-from-Alcatraz-ferry/5841444844195/

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: iekline4 on October 15, 2015, 10:07:37 PM
Thank you so much for posting the Alcatraz special Shutter... missed it the other night and have been searching :-)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 15, 2015, 10:15:09 PM
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Thank you so much for posting the Alcatraz special Shutter... missed it the other night and have been searching :-)

Your welcome. I'm watching it right now for the first time too  8)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 15, 2015, 11:24:52 PM
Just finished the episode on the Alcatraz escape. they have a high possibility that the photo's given to law enforcement very well could be John, and Clarence Anglin. the photo's were taken in the mid 70's over a decade after the crime. another plausible escape route has been discovered as well. this connects to the sighting of a boat just off the island of Alcatraz..

If all of this is verified, it means everything about the escape was pretty much wrong...

The picture below is believed to be John and Clarence Anglin...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Robert99 on October 16, 2015, 01:11:40 AM
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Just finished the episode on the Alcatraz escape. they have a high possibility that the photo's given to law enforcement very well could be John, and Clarence Anglin. the photo's were taken in the mid 70's over a decade after the crime. another plausible escape route has been discovered as well. this connects to the sighting of a boat just off the island of Alcatraz..

If all of this is verified, it means everything about the escape was pretty much wrong...

The picture below is believed to be John and Clarence Anglin...

There is a problem connecting that boat, or any pre-arranged boat, with the escape.  The incoming and outgoing mail of all convicts was monitored and the Anglins and Morris did not have visitors.  Consequently, there was no way to set up a boat or any outside individuals to help in their escape try.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 16, 2015, 06:27:08 AM
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There is a problem connecting that boat, or any pre-arranged boat, with the escape.

It could of been arranged through another inmate. a lot of the inmates helped where ever they could with the escape. I'm not so sure about the raft being towed by a boat. it is odd that electrical cord (150 feet) was missing from the dock.

Allen West was the inmate who was left behind due to not being able to get through the vent in his cell. he claimed to take credit for mastering most of the escape. the trouble is believing anything he says.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on October 16, 2015, 02:00:38 PM
Does this have anything to do with the resolution of the D.B. Cooper case?  You bet it does.  This is exactly how the Cooper case might be solved.  If Cooper survived, someone somewhere probably has some type of information or proof.  Hopefully this individual will discover some type of motivation (money, fame) and the case can progress. 

A number of individuals have already come forward in recent years, but none of their suspects have "passed muster".  Only time will tell.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 16, 2015, 05:19:06 PM
I hope everyone got to see the Alcatraz documentary. it's already been taken down by You Tube....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 16, 2015, 05:21:11 PM
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Does this have anything to do with the resolution of the D.B. Cooper case?  You bet it does.

I think if the case gets closed it will show how far off everyone was with theories about how they got off the island.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: 377 on October 16, 2015, 06:02:25 PM
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Just finished the episode on the Alcatraz escape. they have a high possibility that the photo's given to law enforcement very well could be John, and Clarence Anglin. the photo's were taken in the mid 70's over a decade after the crime. another plausible escape route has been discovered as well. this connects to the sighting of a boat just off the island of Alcatraz..

If all of this is verified, it means everything about the escape was pretty much wrong...

The picture below is believed to be John and Clarence Anglin...

There is a problem connecting that boat, or any pre-arranged boat, with the escape.  The incoming and outgoing mail of all convicts was monitored and the Anglins and Morris did not have visitors.  Consequently, there was no way to set up a boat or any outside individuals to help in their escape try.

Don't rule out complicit guards. I defended an inmate who was involved with others in a foiled escape plot from a notorious California state prison. They had a GUN, a walkie talkie loaded with prison frequencies, and other contraband which I believe could ONLY have got into the prison with the help of a crooked guard. The defendants never did give up the guard and were harshly punished.

377
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Bruce A. Smith on October 16, 2015, 08:42:28 PM
Goes along with the prison break in NY this summer. Two guards were involved, I believe. One brought in power tools - drills and saws that cut through steel sewer pipes! One of the guards was supposed to be the getaway driver, but froze and no-showed. I think one guards even had a sexual relationship with one of the inmates. One of them bought the pictures painted by one of the inmates in prison, too.

WE ARE FAMILY!!!  It takes a village, remember...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 16, 2015, 09:27:29 PM
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Goes along with the prison break in NY this summer. Two guards were involved, I believe. One brought in power tools - drills and saws that cut through steel sewer pipes! One of the guards was supposed to be the getaway driver, but froze and no-showed. I think one guards even had a sexual relationship with one of the inmates. One of them bought the pictures painted by one of the inmates in prison, too.

WE ARE FAMILY!!!  It takes a village, remember...


I'm not so sure that's the case here. I've read a lot about Alcatraz and heard from many inmates, none of them have told any stories of guards helping prisoners. Al Capone found this out directly. he was nobody once he entered Alcatraz, just a number like the rest of the inmates.

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The notorious gangster and mob boss was among the first prisoners to occupy the new Alcatraz federal prison in August 1934. Capone had bribed guards to receive preferential treatment while serving his tax-evasion sentence in Atlanta, but that changed after his transfer to the island prison. The conditions broke Capone. “It looks like Alcatraz has got me licked,” he reportedly told his warden. In fact, Convict No. 85 became so cooperative that he was permitted to play banjo in the Alcatraz prison band, the Rock Islanders, which gave regular Sunday concerts for other inmates.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 17, 2015, 12:22:12 AM
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Goes along with the prison break in NY this summer. Two guards were involved, I believe. One brought in power tools - drills and saws that cut through steel sewer pipes! One of the guards was supposed to be the getaway driver, but froze and no-showed. I think one guards even had a sexual relationship with one of the inmates. One of them bought the pictures painted by one of the inmates in prison, too.

WE ARE FAMILY!!!  It takes a village, remember...


I'm not so sure that's the case here. I've read a lot about Alcatraz and heard from many inmates, none of them have told any stories of guards helping prisoners. Al Capone found this out directly. he was nobody once he entered Alcatraz, just a number like the rest of the inmates.

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The notorious gangster and mob boss was among the first prisoners to occupy the new Alcatraz federal prison in August 1934. Capone had bribed guards to receive preferential treatment while serving his tax-evasion sentence in Atlanta, but that changed after his transfer to the island prison. The conditions broke Capone. “It looks like Alcatraz has got me licked,” he reportedly told his warden. In fact, Convict No. 85 became so cooperative that he was permitted to play banjo in the Alcatraz prison band, the Rock Islanders, which gave regular Sunday concerts for other inmates.

The whole smacks of urban legend, or a Greek tragedy? Whole family was anti-authority with a need for a reality check struggling in nearly impossible economic conditions. Two of their youngest get convinced they are immune like Achilles or something so start on the road to becoming hardened career criminals ... the hero myth is born in the whole family! Henceforth the whole family will draw its Distinguished Identity from the two misguided kids! The two brothers achieve the high honor of needing to be sent to Alcatraz to keep them locked up (and from robbing more banks etc.), they whittle and paint their way to a grande escape while the guards are all sleeping and doing whatever guards did in that place, ... and the legend is born! The family vindicated? Poverty triumphs! Crime triumphs! ... and now like-minded American are enthralled-captivated. What better way to showcase planet Earth to the aliens.   8)   

 ;)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on October 17, 2015, 10:22:24 AM
NMIIWRECKS  You say:  "Does this have anything to do with the resolution of the D.B. Cooper case?  You bet it does.  This is exactly how the Cooper case might be solved.  If Cooper survived, someone somewhere probably has some type of information or proof.  Hopefully this individual will discover some type of motivation (money, fame) and the case can progress.

A number of individuals have already come forward in recent years, but none of their suspects have "passed muster".  Only time will tell."

I say " I have given proof of who DB Cooper is and nothing gets done to catch him. The easy solution is to compare the DNA from the Four envelope (sent to the newspapers following Norjak) from under the stamps/envelop flaps with the DNA the FBI has of Sheridan Peterson. A match will blow this crime wide open and show that he was not in Nepal per his phony alibi but was in Portland Oregon the scene of the crime. It is that simple to solve but the FBI is stuck on stop.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 17, 2015, 06:12:45 PM
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NMIIWRECKS  You say:  "Does this have anything to do with the resolution of the D.B. Cooper case?  You bet it does.  This is exactly how the Cooper case might be solved.  If Cooper survived, someone somewhere probably has some type of information or proof.  Hopefully this individual will discover some type of motivation (money, fame) and the case can progress.

A number of individuals have already come forward in recent years, but none of their suspects have "passed muster".  Only time will tell."

I say " I have given proof of who DB Cooper is and nothing gets done to catch him. The easy solution is to compare the DNA from the Four envelope (sent to the newspapers following Norjak) from under the stamps/envelop flaps with the DNA the FBI has of Sheridan Peterson. A match will blow this crime wide open and show that he was not in Nepal per his phony alibi but was in Portland Oregon the scene of the crime. It is that simple to solve but the FBI is stuck on stop.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

Even if Peterson wrote the letters, how does that prove he was DB Cooper?  :-\  All it would prove is Peterson licked stamps and sent the letters, presumably. ??? That might indicate Peterson was a schmuck, but its a long way from proving he was DB Cooper, . . .  ::) 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 18, 2015, 02:06:41 AM
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NMIIWRECKS  You say:  "Does this have anything to do with the resolution of the D.B. Cooper case?  You bet it does.  This is exactly how the Cooper case might be solved.  If Cooper survived, someone somewhere probably has some type of information or proof.  Hopefully this individual will discover some type of motivation (money, fame) and the case can progress.

A number of individuals have already come forward in recent years, but none of their suspects have "passed muster".  Only time will tell."

I say " I have given proof of who DB Cooper is and nothing gets done to catch him. The easy solution is to compare the DNA from the Four envelope (sent to the newspapers following Norjak) from under the stamps/envelop flaps with the DNA the FBI has of Sheridan Peterson. A match will blow this crime wide open and show that he was not in Nepal per his phony alibi but was in Portland Oregon the scene of the crime. It is that simple to solve but the FBI is stuck on stop.

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

Even if Peterson wrote the letters, how does that prove he was DB Cooper?  :-\  All it would prove is Peterson licked stamps and sent the letters, presumably. ??? That might indicate Peterson was a schmuck, but its a long way from proving he was DB Cooper, . . .  ::)

... I left out any reference to comparing Peterson's dna, the stamp dna, and any partial(s) the FBI may have because if it hasn't already been done the chances of our being advised of results of such comparisons, is so remote as to compare with Elvis driving up to the White House gate in a 1937 Ford ... in the next five minutes! Aint gonna happen.
 ;)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: sailshaw on October 18, 2015, 10:37:05 AM
Georger  You say:  'Even if Peterson wrote the letters, how does that prove he was DB Cooper?  :-\  All it would prove is Peterson licked stamps and sent the letters, presumably. ??? That might indicate Peterson was a schmuck, but its a long way from proving he was DB Cooper"

I Say:   If you can't see how that blows the case wide open, you must be stuck on stop also just like the FBI. That lack of thinking is why the case has not been solved in 44 years. If a match is found, it proves where Sheridan was (in Portland the scene of the crime) and blows his alibi about being in Nepal. Also, a lie to the FBI about being in Nepal is a Federal Crime and that threat could be used to pry the DB story out of Peterson (rather than a jail sentence). Just ask yourself why would our number one suspect write the four letters? He was very smart but DNA was not being used in 1972 to solve crimes. Duh!

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on October 18, 2015, 10:49:53 AM
I would like to publicly challenge Robert Blevins to produce the document he is referring to on his wordpress site.  I have seen no proof that it actually exists.


crap, I posted on yours again.....
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 18, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
 ;D what's he saying now?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on October 18, 2015, 11:19:56 AM
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;D what's he saying now?
As for posting on my post. "Mi casa, su casa"!   :)

Mr. Blevins claims to have a document proving he is being harassed and maligned by members of this forum.  Everybody is so nice here that I have a hard time believing people would be so mean.   :P

Link:
The Robert Blevins Challenge (http://unsolved-crimes.freeforums.net/thread/98/file-nerve-department)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 18, 2015, 11:41:52 AM
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;D what's he saying now?
As for posting on my post. "Mi casa, su casa"!   :)

Mr. Blevins claims to have a document proving he is being harassed and maligned by members of this forum.  Everybody is so nice here that I have a hard time believing people would be so mean.   :P


Once again, Mr. Blevins is screaming out for attention. he's talking about a website that was running in 2011. people went onto the site under false names blasting Kenny, and Blevins. I had just come into the Cooper saga at that time. I seen the comments, but moved on. Mr. Blevins has been running his mouth about that site for years. I have a screenshot of him stating the owner of the site told him who the IP's belong to, now he babbles on about his "techy guy" found out who they were? he puts this guy high up in the clouds for some reason? he works at Microsoft, big deal.

He made threats to release the information about who they were. Bob Knoss was one of them. who cares? if he wishes to continue to expose peoples personal information. he's going to find himself in trouble. he tried to expose Georger's IP the other day, it was way off, but he thought he had it, but took it down. (screenshot taken)

He went on for several years posting the PDF of the comments like it was a breach of national security  ;D ;D he now has two forums where he preaches his hatred towards this forum, and it's members. he will never get anyone on his forum's if he continue's to post crap like he's been doing since the start of his first forum. the funny thing is. he doesn't see that he goes against everything he preaches?  Reichenbach tried to tell him this, but got perma-banned, then unbanned, flip flopping through as Robert always does. bottom line was he thought he was working both sides of the fence, when actually he was just trying to show Robert he was doing what he was against. copy/pasting/taking things out of context etc. etc.

He shows a lot of hatred towards Bruce lately. Bruce this, Bruce that. this guy is in his 60's, and yet he acts like the kids you see commenting on You Tube. it's very clear he is using his forum as a vehicle to get back at this site, and it's members.

I have taken action against Mr. Blevins for record purposes. I'm showing a pattern in his behavior. Proboards wants me to send each post where he violates there TOS. he's exploiting peoples names who do not wish to be public information, regardless to the name being in a book by mistake. I'm showing his harassment from the start of the forum. he even put threats on the Google link from Dropzone. I have it all.

He needs to move on like he said he was going to do in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015.

Below is the screenshot taken about Georger's IP....once gain against Proboards Terms Of Service
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: MarkBennett on October 18, 2015, 12:04:14 PM
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;D what's he saying now?
As for posting on my post. "Mi casa, su casa"!   :)

Mr. Blevins claims to have a document proving he is being harassed and maligned by members of this forum.  Everybody is so nice here that I have a hard time believing people would be so mean.   :P

Link:
The Robert Blevins Challenge (http://unsolved-crimes.freeforums.net/thread/98/file-nerve-department)

I'll agree with NMIWrecks on this one....Blevins dares us to request him to post proof of this abuse.  He's been threatening to do this for years.  If you read this Robert, I say it's time.  Put up or shut up.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 18, 2015, 12:12:50 PM
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;D what's he saying now?
As for posting on my post. "Mi casa, su casa"!   :)

Mr. Blevins claims to have a document proving he is being harassed and maligned by members of this forum.  Everybody is so nice here that I have a hard time believing people would be so mean.   :P

Link:
The Robert Blevins Challenge (http://unsolved-crimes.freeforums.net/thread/98/file-nerve-department)

I'll agree with NMIWrecks on this one....Blevins dares us to request him to post proof of this abuse.  He's been threatening to do this for years.  If you read this Robert, I say it's time.  Put up or shut up.



Attention Mr. Blevins. don't forget the comments on the CNN website. you always put those in the background. post them all. I think a lot of those were towards Marla though. he had them removed after whining to them.

Personally, I think it's time to call the Whambulance  :D :D ;D photo's for Bobby..
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 18, 2015, 02:21:41 PM
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So...a few days ago I email this Shutter guy and send him a few of these posts from his happy happy folk. Just a few out of maybe 350 total. I asked him only for one thing. Stop saying my Newsvine articles are just 'made up' and that all of them are lies.

This is typical hogwash. Mr. Blevins knows I've blocked him from all contact avenues. why would he send something he knows will not be seen?

This is part of an email sent on 7/3/2015..he emailed me through our website comment box telling me I should block him there too? I got tired of the constant volley mails, and blocked him..he never sent an email asking to stop stating his fables. if he did it was after the block.

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July 1, 2015. I asked him to stop the following only to get more emails..
Stop lying and stay away from the forum you were banned from.
Stop following, and posting behind me on You Tube.
Stop emailing me from this point forward.
Stop using my name, or anything attached to it to discredit, or harass.

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July, 03, 2015 In case you didn't notice you were indeed blocked from my emails due to your redundancy.

This guy is endless. he claims negativity all the time? that's all he's posting about people is negativity. I don't have anything good to say about him at this point, and will not tie up the thread with his negative comments all the time.

Cherry pick away...

email screenshot below..
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 18, 2015, 02:22:23 PM
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Georger  You say:  'Even if Peterson wrote the letters, how does that prove he was DB Cooper?  :-\  All it would prove is Peterson licked stamps and sent the letters, presumably. ??? That might indicate Peterson was a schmuck, but its a long way from proving he was DB Cooper"

I Say:   If you can't see how that blows the case wide open, you must be stuck on stop also just like the FBI. That lack of thinking is why the case has not been solved in 44 years. If a match is found, it proves where Sheridan was (in Portland the scene of the crime) and blows his alibi about being in Nepal. Also, a lie to the FBI about being in Nepal is a Federal Crime and that threat could be used to pry the DB story out of Peterson (rather than a jail sentence). Just ask yourself why would our number one suspect write the four letters? He was very smart but DNA was not being used in 1972 to solve crimes. Duh!

Bob Sailshaw
sailshaw00@gmail.com

I think my concerns are commonsensical.

We know Peterson has a personality trait where frankly he plays the role of a smartass, on top of allegedly being a very skilled person. He likes to tweak the nose of authority. His Tibet alibi could be a lie. I seriously doubt its the first time he has lied? I could see somebody like Peterson writing the socalled Cooper letters just to insert himself into the situation and disrupt the process. Maybe he even admires DB Cooper? Who knows. I could see him writring the Cooper letters 'out of spite' because essentially I see this fellow as a rather spiteful vindictive person in some of his actions .... so lets say he wrote the Cooper letters and that can be proved through dna. Will his dna go on to prove a match to the partials the FBI says it has (three)? I dont know. What I do know is if the FBI only has partials of the type Larry says they have, then even if Peterson was Cooper you could never supply a statistically valid match between his dna and the partials the FBI ... which brings us back to the beginning again. The beginning is Doubt & Uncertainty. With no way to bridge the gaps.

Maybe Peterson wants to be DB Cooper? Envies Cooper? Who knows.

At the end of the day you can only request and demand and keep bringing the issue up. It does not appear Peterson is working with you!?

I am not convinced the socalled Cooper letters were written by DB Cooper.

The best reason to extract dna from the stamps, if that can be done, is to compare dna off the letters with the partials the FBI thinks it has. Who knows that this has not already been done?

 ;D
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 18, 2015, 02:28:20 PM
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;D what's he saying now?
As for posting on my post. "Mi casa, su casa"!   :)

Mr. Blevins claims to have a document proving he is being harassed and maligned by members of this forum.  Everybody is so nice here that I have a hard time believing people would be so mean.   :P

Link:
The Robert Blevins Challenge (http://unsolved-crimes.freeforums.net/thread/98/file-nerve-department)

I'll agree with NMIWrecks on this one....Blevins dares us to request him to post proof of this abuse.  He's been threatening to do this for years.  If you read this Robert, I say it's time.  Put up or shut up.

Has Mr Blevins gone off the rails again? Oh my! Maybe a nice brand new box of rubber bands or Marla photos would salve his tortured soul? Or maybe a high colonic ? "Not in the ear or the nose Bobby. Try the other place, you MORONIC ___hole"!
 :)


 
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 18, 2015, 02:32:32 PM
Good one, but I think he has got enough attention. it's time to put him back in the closet. he can whine all he wishes over there and dig his hole further...
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: georger on October 18, 2015, 02:37:29 PM
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Good one, but I think he has got enough attention. it's time to put him back in the closet. he can whine all he wishes over there and dig his hole further...

agreed, done, case closed, time to move on. His allotted 15 seconds of fame has passed ...  :) :) :)
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 18, 2015, 02:39:10 PM
I'm wondering? how many people here believe Cooper sent any of the known letters to make it appear he's alive and well?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Shutter on October 18, 2015, 02:42:54 PM
Another guy came forward in the Alcatraz escape. he was an inmate claiming to have told them exactly what they had to do once they escaped. the most important one was zero contact with anyone. they had to remain silent in order for law enforcement to continue to believe they drowned.

I would think it takes a certain personality to continue to mock the FBI with letters. does Cooper fit this action?
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: Parrotheadvol on October 18, 2015, 07:22:15 PM
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I'm wondering? how many people here believe Cooper sent any of the known letters to make it appear he's alive and well?
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I have my doubts, but the letter clipped from Playboy is certainly intriguing.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: iekline4 on October 18, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
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I don't think the letters should be dismissed but obviously anyone could have sent them
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I'm wondering? how many people here believe Cooper sent any of the known letters to make it appear he's alive and well?
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I have my doubts, but the letter clipped from Playboy is certainly intriguing.
Title: Re: New Forum & News Updates
Post by: nmiwrecks on October 18, 2015, 08:46:59 PM
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I'm wondering? how many people here believe Cooper sent any of the known letters to make it appear he's alive and well?
I don’t think he did, but…

Many other criminals have written letters to the authorities, taunting them.  BTK, the Zodiac killer, the Unabomber, even nice old Albert Fish, “the boogeyman”.   

The Unabomber had a political agenda and his killing technique was effective and efficient.  The rest of these crazies killing methods were over the top and grandiose, to say the