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« Reply #7170 on: August 02, 2020, 10:58:52 PM »
Martin McNally landed his first ever jump, out the back of a 727, using only a reserve shoot, without a clue where he was and in complete darkness.

Begs the question, why couldn't DB land his?
 

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« Reply #7171 on: August 02, 2020, 11:05:33 PM »
He was going a lot faster too...
 
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« Reply #7172 on: August 02, 2020, 11:24:58 PM »
I could walk outside and get hit in the head by a meteor. Just because it’s possible, doesn’t mean it’s probable. You could probably do that jump 10 times and be successful two or three.

A night jump over unknown terrain with no altimeter into cold, inclement weather wearing only a suit and loafers? With an extra 20lbs out weight tied to you? With an old military chute that you can’t really steer? Out of the back of a plane going nearly 200 mph?

You could probably do that jump 10 times and be successful in two of them. Not saying it’s impossible, but only a fool would think it was easy.
 

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« Reply #7173 on: August 03, 2020, 12:46:36 AM »
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I could walk outside and get hit in the head by a meteor. Just because it’s possible, doesn’t mean it’s probable. You could probably do that jump 10 times and be successful two or three.

A night jump over unknown terrain with no altimeter into cold, inclement weather wearing only a suit and loafers? With an extra 20lbs out weight tied to you? With an old military chute that you can’t really steer? Out of the back of a plane going nearly 200 mph?

You could probably do that jump 10 times and be successful in two of them. Not saying it’s impossible, but only a fool would think it was easy.

An altimeter would not have been very useful since Cooper didn't know the elevation of the terrain below the airliner.  The airliner was actually doing about 225 MPH true airspeed with respect to the airmass (this not his ground speed).
 

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« Reply #7174 on: August 03, 2020, 02:22:23 AM »

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Cooper didn't know the elevation of the terrain below the airliner. 
Exactly.
 

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« Reply #7175 on: August 03, 2020, 04:53:18 AM »
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I could walk outside and get hit in the head by a meteor. Just because it’s possible, doesn’t mean it’s probable. You could probably do that jump 10 times and be successful two or three.

A night jump over unknown terrain with no altimeter into cold, inclement weather wearing only a suit and loafers? With an extra 20lbs out weight tied to you? With an old military chute that you can’t really steer? Out of the back of a plane going nearly 200 mph?

You could probably do that jump 10 times and be successful in two of them. Not saying it’s impossible, but only a fool would think it was easy.

Ahem, my dear Chaucer. The actual statistics for skyjackers successfully jumping out of a 727 is 5 outta 5, with DBC still undecided. Besides McNally, we have Heady, LaPoint, McCoy, and Hahneman. One was in the snow in Colorado, three others were at night with one in the jungle of Honduras. Not too shabby, eh?

Speaking of meteors, did anyone see the comet NEOWISE? I caught it last week with binocs. It was pretty fuzzy, but distinguishable.
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« Reply #7176 on: August 03, 2020, 04:55:31 AM »
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Cooper didn't know the elevation of the terrain below the airliner. 
Exactly.

Nor did Rataczak, which I find really surprising. Especially since he's had over 40 years to learn how much he was above the ground. In the History Channel docu, he said he was over terrain that was 4K. Worse, no one challenged him. Not even at din-din, later. Sigh.....

... off course, the 4K negates the WFP....
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« Reply #7177 on: August 03, 2020, 10:23:46 AM »
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I could walk outside and get hit in the head by a meteor. Just because it’s possible, doesn’t mean it’s probable. You could probably do that jump 10 times and be successful two or three.

A night jump over unknown terrain with no altimeter into cold, inclement weather wearing only a suit and loafers? With an extra 20lbs out weight tied to you? With an old military chute that you can’t really steer? Out of the back of a plane going nearly 200 mph?

You could probably do that jump 10 times and be successful in two of them. Not saying it’s impossible, but only a fool would think it was easy.

Ahem, my dear Chaucer. The actual statistics for skyjackers successfully jumping out of a 727 is 5 outta 5, with DBC still undecided. Besides McNally, we have Heady, LaPoint, McCoy, and Hahneman. One was in the snow in Colorado, three others were at night with one in the jungle of Honduras. Not too shabby, eh?

Speaking of meteors, did anyone see the comet NEOWISE? I caught it last week with binocs. It was pretty fuzzy, but distinguishable.
Still not the the same jump that Cooper made. By “same jump” I meant same conditions.
 

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« Reply #7178 on: August 03, 2020, 01:53:44 PM »
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Cooper didn't know the elevation of the terrain below the airliner. 
Exactly.

Chaucer,

You seem to miss the point above.  An altimeter would not tell Cooper how high he was above the terrain which is what he would need to know.
 

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« Reply #7179 on: August 03, 2020, 02:01:50 PM »
Yes, making the jump very dangerous and being unprepared for it.
 
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« Reply #7180 on: August 03, 2020, 06:03:08 PM »
Tom Kaye is in the News

His new diatom findings are making the rounds:

1. Science Reports:
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My understanding of Tom's conclusions are that the bills were only in the Columbia for a spring season since only spring diatoms were found on Mark's bills. At the very least this throws out the Washougal Wash-Down Theory.

Also, Tom apparently accepts Eric's recent analysis that the money find was downstream from the dredge deposits.

Big Findings, I say.

Congrats to Tom and all.
 
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« Reply #7181 on: August 03, 2020, 11:56:19 PM »
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Tom Kaye is in the News

His new diatom findings are making the rounds:

1. Science Reports:
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2. KING-5 TV. Chris Ingalls:

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My understanding of Tom's conclusions are that the bills were only in the Columbia for a spring season since only spring diatoms were found on Mark's bills. At the very least this throws out the Washougal Wash-Down Theory.

Also, Tom apparently accepts Eric's recent analysis that the money find was downstream from the dredge deposits.

Big Findings, I say.

Congrats to Tom and all.

Eric's recent analysis that the money find was downstream from the dredge deposits.      !   Huh?  We knew that in 1971!  ;)    Seattle is also north of Mexico! The North Pole is north of Seattle ?    Did a named Cooper sleuth discover America too?
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« Reply #7182 on: August 04, 2020, 01:03:47 AM »
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Tom Kaye is in the News

His new diatom findings are making the rounds:

1. Science Reports:
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2. KING-5 TV. Chris Ingalls:

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My understanding of Tom's conclusions are that the bills were only in the Columbia for a spring season since only spring diatoms were found on Mark's bills. At the very least this throws out the Washougal Wash-Down Theory.

Also, Tom apparently accepts Eric's recent analysis that the money find was downstream from the dredge deposits.

Big Findings, I say.

Congrats to Tom and all.

Eric's recent analysis that the money find was downstream from the dredge deposits.      !   Huh?  We knew that in 1971!  ;)    Seattle is also north of Mexico! The North Pole is north of Seattle ?    Did a named Cooper sleuth discover America too?

Georger, the money wasn't found until February 1980.  So just exactly how did you know it was downstream of the 1974 dredge deposits in 1971?  You must be a psychic or just doing voodoo.  Do you understand yet that water runs downhill?
 

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« Reply #7183 on: August 04, 2020, 01:35:11 AM »
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Tom Kaye is in the News

His new diatom findings are making the rounds:

1. Science Reports:
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2. KING-5 TV. Chris Ingalls:

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My understanding of Tom's conclusions are that the bills were only in the Columbia for a spring season since only spring diatoms were found on Mark's bills. At the very least this throws out the Washougal Wash-Down Theory.

Also, Tom apparently accepts Eric's recent analysis that the money find was downstream from the dredge deposits.

Big Findings, I say.

Congrats to Tom and all.

Eric's recent analysis that the money find was downstream from the dredge deposits.      !   Huh?  We knew that in 1971!  ;)    Seattle is also north of Mexico! The North Pole is north of Seattle ?    Did a named Cooper sleuth discover America too?

Georger, the money wasn't found until February 1980.  So just exactly how did you know it was downstream of the 1974 dredge deposits in 1971?  You must be a psychic or just doing voodoo.  Do you understand yet that water runs downhill?

Because of Eric's recent analysis that the money find was downstream from the dredge deposits.  :offtopicman:
 

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« Reply #7184 on: August 04, 2020, 01:40:24 AM »
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Tom Kaye is in the News

His new diatom findings are making the rounds:

1. Science Reports:
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2. KING-5 TV. Chris Ingalls:

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My understanding of Tom's conclusions are that the bills were only in the Columbia for a spring season since only spring diatoms were found on Mark's bills. At the very least this throws out the Washougal Wash-Down Theory.

Also, Tom apparently accepts Eric's recent analysis that the money find was downstream from the dredge deposits.

Big Findings, I say.

Congrats to Tom and all.

The DailyMail.com in London has an article on TK's article today.