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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6015 on: May 14, 2019, 04:25:34 PM »
I was unaware that ties were routinely worn in machine shops. Thats pretty crazy risk-wise. But people do really crazy stuff. A Navy A7 Corsair II jet crashed vertically into an apartment bldg in Alameda CA. The cause was believed to be that the pilot was SMOKING in an oxygen-rich flammable cockpit/O2 mask environment. He had bragged to other squadron members that he had perfected a way to do it safely.

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6016 on: May 14, 2019, 04:46:34 PM »
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Episode 12 with Marty Andrade is up now. Let me know what you guys think!

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Good job Darren!

I paid special attention to Marty's comments about the difficulty he experienced in donning an NB 6 or NB 8 rig (8 minutes) and how easy it was for his father, who had parachute experience (20 seconds). Also his comment about how well hidden the packing cards are on NB 6 and 8 is spot on. The packing card slot is cleverly concealed and nearly invisible from the exterior. A hint for Marty, it is not necessary to open the pack to find the card slot.

If we only knew whether Cooper actually pulled a packing card.  It would tell us so much about his level of parachuting experience. Tosaw wrote that  Tina saw Cooper pull the card. Himmelspach said Tosaw was dead wrong.

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6017 on: May 14, 2019, 05:24:10 PM »
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"Safe to say if the tie was Cooper's, then he was not a school teacher, a lawyer, a doctor, etc.  I'd personally like to hear people's recent thoughts on the tie."

The machined Al curls interest me. Ties are verboten on machine shop floors as they can get caught in rotating machinery with often fatal results.  I worked in the engineering machine shop in college and there were signs everywhere about no ties, necklaces or dangling hair. So how do machined tailings/turnings end up on a tie? There are explanations of course. Cooper was apparently in an environment where aluminum was machined but unlikely a machinist himself. 

The rich McCrone data is mind-blowing. So many clues, but no obvious solution that accounts for everything they found. I wish IBM would let WATSON crunch on the mystery for a while.

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I am in complete agreement that ties are not normally worn in machine shop environments.  Nevertheless, Tom Kaye can show you pictures of machinists wearing normal ties in such an environment.

I agree - there are exceptions to all rules. People violate the rules all the time. I remember a machine shop housed right next to the UI Ag and Labor Medicine Center on the UI Oakdale campus in the 70's with people running machinery and lathes with many professional staff doing machining wearing ties!  It was the  UI Ag and Labor Medicine Center that wrote laws for the State of Iowa/OSHA telling workers what dress codes in work sites should be! There were signs posted all over the place in machine shops saying: NO TIES! The rules were never enforced.

I don't envision Cooper wearing a clip on tie and hanging over a lathe or a drill press, but a shop foreman maybe, or a plant manager.  If a manager was required to wear a tie in a manufacturing environment, then it likely would have been a clip on.  You don't see ties as much now with the whole "business casual" thing, but back in the 70's you did.

As for the comment by EU about Cooper having special knowledge about the 727...that's one of those that could start another long discussion.  I'm of the belief that he did not have special knowledge of the 727, just info he picked up along the way.  Aviation knowledge yes, but 727, questionable. 
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6018 on: May 14, 2019, 05:53:16 PM »
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I was unaware that ties were routinely worn in machine shops. Thats pretty crazy risk-wise. But people do really crazy stuff. A Navy A7 Corsair II jet crashed vertically into an apartment bldg in Alameda CA. The cause was believed to be that the pilot was SMOKING in an oxygen-rich flammable cockpit/O2 mask environment. He had bragged to other squadron members that he had perfected a way to do it safely.

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Typical bureaucratic snafu. You had people running places that had no practical experience. EX cop running a center in which there are machine shops. Everyone was "ordered" to be presentable and wear ties! To hell with OSHA. So people would turn the shop in to OSHA - then all hell would break lose, Four people fired for snitching on the EX cop supervisor, then more hell would break lose, then they close the whole damned facility and open a new office with only two people ... the EX cop and his secretary.

I dont no where you have been hiding protected your whole life but millions of people went through shit like this every day of their working lives ....... at the end got buried with clip on ties on!  :rofl:

Politics controlled the whole process and its even more political now than then! It's like the Dark Ages .
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #6019 on: May 20, 2019, 01:10:14 AM »
NEWS: THE DB COOPER TRAIL

A small group of recreational people in the State of Washington, is about to ask for the establishment of 'the DB Cooper Trail'. They hope to get approval from the Washington State Legislature, with funding to mark out the trail with appropriate signage, camping, and recreational sites along the route of the trail. The group sees this as the beginning of an effort to formally mark out the route the Cooper plane followed, from Seattle to Vancouver Portland. The route chosen will follow the FBI flight path map.

It appears this is a small independent group of recreational, hiking, and biking enthusiasts with no particular affiliation to anyone involved in Cooper research past or present, or Cooper political forums. One member of the group has hiked the Appalachian Trail and says that in part was the basis for his interest in this idea. The group may start taking public comment soon, once an appropriate website has been established. 

Perhaps a poll here is in order?
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« Reply #6020 on: May 20, 2019, 02:45:21 PM »
The Washington Trails Association, has been contacted in regard to the DB Cooper Trail. The proposed trail will be following the flight path 305 took. [The approved FBI flight path]. 

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PS: BTW this is real! This effort began, Im told, with a  serious extreme biker group in Colorado that has connections in Washington. This group has backing. These are serious people with serious political and financial backing! This could result in a serious formalisation of the DB Cooper flight path (trail) formalised by authorities in Washington and the US Forest Service! Anyone with a competing flight path had better  get your acts together! The DB Cooper FBI flight path may very soon achieve formal status!

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