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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3975 on: November 27, 2017, 09:50:17 AM »
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do you have the PDF's available? I'm on XP so the site won't load for me...I don't have my simulator hooked back up since the storm so I don't have another computer available at the moment to get the files....

I sent you the email that True.Ink sent to me that allows me to access the files. I'd repost it here, but there is no URL that I can see to link.

I got it, thanks...I had a similar link from the past that doesn't allow entry like it use too..nothing about Cooper pops up...I think Colbert had the same problem..
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3976 on: November 27, 2017, 04:58:05 PM »
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do you have the PDF's available? I'm on XP so the site won't load for me...I don't have my simulator hooked back up since the storm so I don't have another computer available at the moment to get the files....

I sent you the email that True.Ink sent to me that allows me to access the files. I'd repost it here, but there is no URL that I can see to link.

I got it, thanks...I had a similar link from the past that doesn't allow entry like it use too..nothing about Cooper pops up...I think Colbert had the same problem..


What happened down in the vault? Only 19 pages of GG's 77 are viable. The rest were dark.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3977 on: November 27, 2017, 06:03:43 PM »
checking now....

After checking the file I didn't notice any problems. I was able to go to the last page? sounds like it might be on your end?
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3978 on: November 27, 2017, 07:10:01 PM »
Possibly. I've had a ton o' glitches on my computer over the past two weeks.

I've perused GG's new batch of 179 pages and although there are some overlaps with his previous document cache, most of it is new. There is also some overlap with the docs coming from Colbert and his 3,000 FOIA pages, but GG's stuff has NO redactions!

One highlight in GG's "179" are about 75 pages of unreacted flight transcripts, including stuff off "five" reels of some recording. I didn't read it carefully, but I think R99, Georger, and those interested in the flight path would be interested in this aspect of the 179.

I'll be sending an email link to these 179 pages to DB Cooper aficionados that I know about. It might expedite access for folks, and by-pass going directly through True.Ink, which is one more maddening hurdle for computer-challenge guys like me. If you want the link, send me an email: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.
 

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« Reply #3979 on: November 27, 2017, 07:36:59 PM »
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Possibly. I've had a ton o' glitches on my computer over the past two weeks.

I've perused GG's new batch of 179 pages and although there are some overlaps with his previous document cache, most of it is new. There is also some overlap with the docs coming from Colbert and his 3,000 FOIA pages, but GG's stuff has NO redactions!

One highlight in GG's "179" are about 75 pages of unreacted flight transcripts, including stuff off "five" reels of some recording. I didn't read it carefully, but I think R99, Georger, and those interested in the flight path would be interested in this aspect of the 179.

I'll be sending an email link to these 179 pages to DB Cooper aficionados that I know about. It might expedite access for folks, and by-pass going directly through True.Ink, which is one more maddening hurdle for computer-challenge guys like me. If you want the link, send me an email: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.

Ok, so lets put this out on the table.

What does the "New York City Gamer" Gray have and how did he get it? Has he got a lot more than anyone previously thought he could have? And why is he uncooperative and hording it for his own use? I can hardly believe the FBI agreed to this! But I dont know ....

How does Unsurelock another NYC Gamer fit into this? Is he part of Gray's group? Maybe we need to apply some "Windex" to our screens to see this more clearly? Who knows! I may even wind up posting a few urls here to direct people's focus better in this whole matter? That is becoming a distinct possibility.

The Cooperworld now in some kind of contest with New York City Gamers? Has the FBI stacked the deck in their favor for some reason? Does Gray have FBI/Cooper fingerprints, dna, and any other hard evidence in addition to all of these "unredacted" files? Does Gray have the radar tapes? Has a Third World Repository of Cooperphelia suddenly surfaced here, quite by a accident!

I'm just following the lgoic that seems to have surfaced here - because of the actions of certain NYC Gamers who are now playing at TrueInk.

Hell, I only work here.  :)     
 
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3980 on: November 27, 2017, 07:44:11 PM »
Update on Recent Norjak witnesses

1. Richard DeCample.

Richard DeCample is the fuel truck driver recently interviewed by Chris Ingalls's on KING 5 TV in Seattle. Richard has been unresponsive so far to a couple of phone messages in the past week.

Richard is also posted in GG's 179 pages. He's part of the "Witness" section, and his recollections last week on camera are significantly more expanded than his brief interview with SA Louis Harris on 11. 26. 71. But there are some interesting tidbits in both places.

In the federal document, Richard stated that he drove the first fuel truck out to 305, claiming he merely parked it for the re-fueling by another NWO employee. He makes no mention of the alleged delays due to fuel line blockage from the so-called vapor-lock problem. Richard says that he got a ride back to the terminal and drove a second truck out to 305. He said he was finished with his fueling in 20 minutes. The report makes no mention of the need for two more additional fuel trucks to attend to 305.

The report also states that Richard had no contact with the hijacker, nor saw anyone on the plane. He also stated that he only had contact with the crew, and only heard the pilot's voice.

However, in the broadcast on KING 5 Richard gave a few more additional pieces of information. First, he said that he gave Florence and Alice a ride back to the terminal in an empty fuel truck.

Also, he claimed that he saw DB Cooper looking at him through a window. I found this piece odd when I heard it because Richard should have been on the port side of the aircraft as that is where Cooper wanted the fuel trucks to park, and he was sitting on the opposite side. So, did Cooper switch seats to observe the refueling?

I will continue to try to make contact with Richard.

2. Gene "Mike" Bland

Mike is the "Oldschool" skydiver that 377 told us about a week or so ago. I've tried to contact Mike via Facebook and the phone. He lives in Nocona, Texas. So far I haven't any direct contact with Mike. However, he apparently got wind that I was trying to contact him and he called me, leaving a voice message on my answering machine. He didn't speak about Earl Cossey directly, but suggested that I contact Ralph Hatley in Oregon, apparently unaware that I have - conducting an interview with him in the company of Bob Sailshaw a couple of years ago.

I've tried to follow-up with Mike, but to no avail.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3981 on: November 27, 2017, 07:47:22 PM »
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...Maybe we need to apply some "Windex" to our screens to see this more clearly? Who knows! I may even wind up posting a few urls here to direct people's focus better in this whole matter? That is becoming a distinct possibility...


I encourage you to post all the URLs that you think might advance the investigation.

G, have you seen GG's new batch of 179 pages? Would you like me to send you a link?
 
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3982 on: November 27, 2017, 07:50:05 PM »
I signed up on True.ink last year. Haven't got an e-mail from them since.
The same 77 docs are still there. You are saying there are new ones?
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3983 on: November 27, 2017, 07:57:01 PM »
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...Maybe we need to apply some "Windex" to our screens to see this more clearly? Who knows! I may even wind up posting a few urls here to direct people's focus better in this whole matter? That is becoming a distinct possibility...


I encourage you to post all the URLs that you think might advance the investigation.

G, have you seen GG's new batch of 179 pages? Would you like me to send you a link?

Yes PM me a link here.

Am I correct in sensing there is a lot more going on btwn the FBI and Gray than people were aware of, before?

Does Gray have hard evidence? Cooper fingerprints, dna, etc ?

Or is all of this NYCity Gamers smoke and mirrors? Maybe Unsurelock knows? 
 
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3984 on: November 27, 2017, 07:57:15 PM »
Never mind.... just checked my e-mail. Should of checked that first.
Thank you Bruce for sharing.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3985 on: November 27, 2017, 08:03:20 PM »
Gamers

I think Georger quite rightly has identified an emerging dynamic in the DB Cooper case: the action of "gamers." These are researchers who have a secondary agenda beyond advancing the case. What that additional agenda is may be veiled or hidden.

1.  GG
I have long discussed the veiled nature of Geoffrey Gray's relationship with the FBI and his role in Norjak. He led me through half of Portland in a wild-goose chase about this issue during the Cooper Symposium in 2011. Yet, he is a tremendous asset - look at the documents he has provided over the years, and SKYJACK turned this investigation on its ear with the revelations about Norman Hayden and Earl Cossey!

I even consider GG a friend, even though half the people that I know in Cooper World wouldn't trust him half as far as they could throw him!

2. TC
Hollywood anyone? Anybody here still loving Airborne Bob? Probably not, but 3,000 pages of FOIA redacted pages of FBI 302s will buy even a True Gamer a lot of love - even mine...

3. RMB and Skippy
Let's make a deal, but don't come to dinner. Wait, please come to the BBQ - it was all a misunderstanding. The Auburn PD thingy, too...

4. The crew, the passengers, the FBI, Cossey
Oh, don't get me started. The inconsistencies from these folks filled over half the pages of my book.

Dealing with Gamers is a fact of life. Here, but also in the World Outside of the Vortex. To me, I think it calls for an even-handed approach to everyone, and every piece of information - weighing the known agendas that slant a statement or "fact," and pondering the possibilities when inconsistencies suggest a hidden agenda at play.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3986 on: November 27, 2017, 08:16:42 PM »
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I signed up on True.ink last year. Haven't got an e-mail from them since.
The same 77 docs are still there. You are saying there are new ones?

GG's new treasure trove is basically 179 pages of new stuff. Some overlap with his prior 77 pages in our vault and with Colbert's FOIA stuff, but GG's docs are organized into sections - they're not random, and they are not redacted. Plus, these are not copies of copies. The reproduction values are excellent.

I'm sending out the email link because navigating through True.Ink has proven to be too arduous for too many, including me!
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3987 on: November 27, 2017, 08:19:25 PM »
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Never mind.... just checked my e-mail. Should of checked that first.
Thank you Bruce for sharing.

Mea gusto, m'amigo.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3988 on: November 27, 2017, 08:38:18 PM »
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Am I correct in sensing there is a lot more going on btwn the FBI and Gray than people were aware of, before?

Does Gray have hard evidence? Cooper fingerprints, dna, etc ?


I sense your senses are accurate, Georger. I believe that Geoffrey Gray has had a long-standing relationship with many aspects of the US government, including the FBI. He has been an "A" list journalist with New York Magazine for years and his body of work is immense. His contacts are exceptional, and he has a strong network. One day my cell phone call caught him on the Acela Train to DC as he was making his way to the Pentagon for an interview. Whew.

One of the most problematic aspects of being a major league journalist is developing authentic relationships with people who have lots of power and are newsworthy. The pressure to slant a story to nurture a relationship is huge. How journalists make those decisions is what makes the world go 'round.

When GG, me and a bunch of Cooperites were hanging out at The Swiss Tavern in Tacoma during the 2013 Symposium, I was astounded to hear him tell me that earlier in the week he had tried to contact a former CBS-TV reporter by the name of Kristina Borjesson who was involved in covering the Flight 800 incident and ultimately fired for being too good at her job. I had been trying to contact her, too! to discuss the case and her interactions with the FBI and the Powers That Be in this case. Well, so was GG, apparently. He told me that he was developing a story on the Top Ten Conspiracies' of the Past Hundred Years for NY Mag, but I never saw the story.

Stories like that make me wonder. So too, when moments later I asked GG for Bill Mitchell's phone number and he gave me a listing for the wrong Bill Mitchell. When I actually spoke with the correct Bill Mitchell he asked me if I knew who wrote about him in the new DB Cooper book.

"You mean the book, Skyjack?" I asked Bill. "The book that Geoffrey Gray just wrote?
"Eh, maybe," Bill replied, but he looked confused. I was surprised that Bill wasn't up-to-date on Cooper lore.
"Well, that must have been Geoffrey Gray because no one else's book has come out in years," I said.
"Hmmph," replied Bill. "I guess, but I know I never spoke with him."

So GG didn't speak directly to Bill Mitchell, yet wrote about him? And then GG gives me the wrong Bill Mitchell? Did GG talk to the wrong guy and not know it? Or GG do a Tosaw and filled in the blanks on his own, like Tosaw did with Tina's dialogue in his book?

Now, he pops up again in Norjak?

It's time for the Snowmman. 377 - send up the signal!
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #3989 on: November 27, 2017, 11:33:53 PM »
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I signed up on True.ink last year. Haven't got an e-mail from them since.
The same 77 docs are still there. You are saying there are new ones?

GG's new treasure trove is basically 179 pages of new stuff. Some overlap with his prior 77 pages in our vault and with Colbert's FOIA stuff, but GG's docs are organized into sections - they're not random, and they are not redacted. Plus, these are not copies of copies. The reproduction values are excellent.

I'm sending out the email link because navigating through True.Ink has proven to be too arduous for too many, including me!

Does Gray have the unredacted flight comms R99 has always been seeking?

The one thing I do know about Gray, having previously dealt with him, is he is not technically competent. He apparently has no technical, scientific, or academic background - he referred to me as "a Lab geek". And he doesn't seem to care or think it matters, based on past performance.

But he is a NYC gamer with an interest in sports and horse racing and a pretty good writer - Crown Publishing backed his book.  :-\     

Maybe in reality we know as little about him, as he knows or cares to know about us?
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