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« Reply #3180 on: June 23, 2017, 08:45:11 AM »
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Bone sniffing dogs

Speaking of them, dogs can really locate bones.  My G*d forsaken english Labrador, tore up my garden and plants because he could smell the tiny amount of bone meal I put in the planting holes.  Even a little a foot deep and he found it. Now I cannot use bone meal as fertilizer...
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« Reply #3181 on: June 23, 2017, 09:39:03 AM »
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Bone sniffing dogs

Speaking of them, dogs can really locate bones.  My G*d forsaken english Labrador, tore up my garden and plants because he could smell the tiny amount of bone meal I put in the planting holes.  Even a little a foot deep and he found it. Now I cannot use bone meal as fertilizer...

cadaver dogs are what they use. they are trained to sniff out human bones just as they can seek drugs inside of coffee cans or any other form of cover..

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A variety of breeds can be trained to hunt forensic material. Bloodhounds, springer spaniels and labradors are commonly used. Trained cadaver dogs have the ability to detect decomposing bodies beneath running water, for example when a corpse is weighted down, and placed at the bottom of a river.
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« Reply #3182 on: June 23, 2017, 12:55:29 PM »
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Bone sniffing dogs

Speaking of them, dogs can really locate bones.  My G*d forsaken english Labrador, tore up my garden and plants because he could smell the tiny amount of bone meal I put in the planting holes.  Even a little a foot deep and he found it. Now I cannot use bone meal as fertilizer...


What's the deal with spelling God as G*d?  Is it too much to ask to include one little simple vowel, "o", when speaking of G*d.  Afterall, He's only the all-knowing, all-present, all-powerful creator of the universe.  I know, it's a lot to ask to take extra time to insert that little vowel into the name.  Now if God gets upset, don't be surprised if a big thumb comes out of the sky next time you're walking to your car and you go "SPLAT" -- flat as a pancake!

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« Reply #3183 on: June 23, 2017, 01:27:10 PM »
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Bone sniffing dogs are being taken to some island to search for Amelia Earhart's bones. Was just on the news ...

Probably the same guys who believe the plane is in a photo, and thinks they found pieces of wreckage just off an island I don't recall at the moment...

Shutter, you are referring to the TIGHAR (spelling?) group that thinks Amelia ended up at what used to be known as Gardner Island which is about 450 miles south of Howland Island.  Gardner is about a three hour flight in Amelia's aircraft from Howland.

If Amelia had three hours of fuel left when she radioed the people at Howland that "we must be upon you", then she and Noonan would have had sufficient time to find Howland.  It's a long story, but in my personal opinion there is a real possibility that Earhart and Noonan actually overshot Howland and probably ended up in the northeast quadrant from Howland.
 

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« Reply #3184 on: June 23, 2017, 05:57:05 PM »
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Is it too much to ask to include one little simple vowel, "o", when speaking of G*d

To quote Steve Martin.... Well excuuuuuuuuse....meeeee!!!!!!

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« Reply #3185 on: June 23, 2017, 06:43:44 PM »
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Bone sniffing dogs are being taken to some island to search for Amelia Earhart's bones. Was just on the news ...

Probably the same guys who believe the plane is in a photo, and thinks they found pieces of wreckage just off an island I don't recall at the moment...

Shutter, you are referring to the TIGHAR (spelling?) group that thinks Amelia ended up at what used to be known as Gardner Island which is about 450 miles south of Howland Island.  Gardner is about a three hour flight in Amelia's aircraft from Howland.

If Amelia had three hours of fuel left when she radioed the people at Howland that "we must be upon you", then she and Noonan would have had sufficient time to find Howland.  It's a long story, but in my personal opinion there is a real possibility that Earhart and Noonan actually overshot Howland and probably ended up in the northeast quadrant from Howland.

You have it exactly right (including the TIGHAR spelling).  They are looking on Nikumaroro Island, which was formerly known as Gardner Island.

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I remember reading a book on the subject and to determine which direction to fly to Howland, they'd rotate an antennae while receiving a broadcast from the base on Howland and whichever direction they got the loudest signal was the direction to fly.  They turned it all the way around and got a loud signal everywhere, leading them to believe they must be right on top of Howland.

I believe the speed of her plane was about 140 mph, so to get to Gardner Island, as you say, she would have needed about three more hours of fuel.
 

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« Reply #3186 on: June 23, 2017, 07:51:38 PM »
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they'd rotate an antennae while receiving a broadcast from the base on Howland and whichever direction they got the loudest signal was the direction to fly

The antenna looks just like the direction finder we used back in the 80's while on the CB...we used to track down problem CBer's who would run lots of power and would key the mic for hours jamming the channel..we would find them and "pin the coax" so the next time he would key up would blow the finals in his radio and damage the linear amplifier...

I use to love to old tube amplifiers. you could take the cover off and and hold a fluorescent light over the tubes, key the mic and the light would come on

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« Reply #3187 on: June 24, 2017, 12:42:59 AM »
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Bone sniffing dogs are being taken to some island to search for Amelia Earhart's bones. Was just on the news ...

Probably the same guys who believe the plane is in a photo, and thinks they found pieces of wreckage just off an island I don't recall at the moment...

Shutter, you are referring to the TIGHAR (spelling?) group that thinks Amelia ended up at what used to be known as Gardner Island which is about 450 miles south of Howland Island.  Gardner is about a three hour flight in Amelia's aircraft from Howland.

If Amelia had three hours of fuel left when she radioed the people at Howland that "we must be upon you", then she and Noonan would have had sufficient time to find Howland.  It's a long story, but in my personal opinion there is a real possibility that Earhart and Noonan actually overshot Howland and probably ended up in the northeast quadrant from Howland.

You have it exactly right (including the TIGHAR spelling).  They are looking on Nikumaroro Island, which was formerly known as Gardner Island.

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I remember reading a book on the subject and to determine which direction to fly to Howland, they'd rotate an antennae while receiving a broadcast from the base on Howland and whichever direction they got the loudest signal was the direction to fly.  They turned it all the way around and got a loud signal everywhere, leading them to believe they must be right on top of Howland.

I believe the speed of her plane was about 140 mph, so to get to Gardner Island, as you say, she would have needed about three more hours of fuel.

377, please comment on the characteristics of the two antennas that are required in an airborne ADF.  The long wire antenna which is usually on top of the fuselage is the main tuning antenna and the smaller antenna (there are many types of these antennas) on the bottom of the fuselage was the sense antenna (if I remember that right) that determined if the station to which you were tuned was in front of you or behind you (assuming you were flying directly to or from that station).

The TIGHAR organization has recently claimed that Amelia's bottom (sense) antenna was damaged during the take-off from Lae.  But if I remember correctly some posts 377 and I exchanged a number of years ago, the sense antenna can be heavily damaged and still put out valid "to/from" information.

Reportedly, the radio that the Navy had provided to the Coast Guard at Howland Island, and which was battery powered and on the island itself, was an ADF from a PBY flying boat that was undergoing maintenance in Hawaii.  But the people at Howland ran the battery down long before Amelia got within range and was thus was worthless for assisting her in finding the island.

The Coast Guard ship at Howland had the capability to provide a "steer" to Amelia.  However, Amelia did not "hum" into her microphone as required in order for the Coast Guard to locate her and give her a heading to fly ("steer") to Howland.  Even private aircraft pilots, me included, were routinely taught how to obtain "steers" up to about 1970.  It doesn't take more than five minutes total to explain a "steer" and demonstrate it in flight.  But, unfortunately, Amelia apparently never learned how to do that.

So radios were of no assistance in helping Amelia locate Howland Island.  That left only Fred Noonan and his sextant to locate Howland.  The way that is done is NOT to try to fly the last portion of the flight directly to Howland Island.  About an hour or two from Howland, Noonan would make his last possible sextant star sight (sunrise would be only minutes later) and then make about a 30 degree course change to either the north of Howland (which is probably what happened here) or to the south of Howland.

From the last sextant star sight, Noonan would calculate distances, times, and headings for Amelia to fly to get to Howland.  AND THESE DISTANCES, TIMES, AND HEADINGS MUST BE FLOWN PRECISELY.  After the 30 degree course change, the new heading would be flown until it intersected a line perpendicular to the original Lae to Howland course line and that ran through Howland.  After flying the specified time and heading (and distance) to a point North of Howland, they would know that Howland was off their right wing and at a specified distance from the point where they then turned toward Howland.  If everything worked, Howland should turn up at a specified time as they flew toward it from a northerly direction.

One of the last messages from Amelia stated that they were flying back and forth on that northerly/southerly line.  So the above procedure was apparently what they were using.  After his last sextant star sight, Noonan would have to wait for a period of time before he could start getting sun shots (not as good as star sights) and it would be up to Amelia to fly the aircraft precisely as Noonan had specified.

Nobody knows exactly what happened, but somewhere in there they apparently got off Noonan's specified course and weren't able to figure out their exact location again before they ran out of gas.  They apparently spent a substantial amount of time just flying around looking for Howland without success.   
 

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« Reply #3188 on: June 24, 2017, 01:13:06 AM »
This help any? see photo

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There is nothing to suggest that Amelia had any intention of going anywhere except Howland Island.  That is where she was suppose to have assistance from a ship and ground radio station in locating the place.

And why Gardner Island in any event?  There were other islands between Howland and Gardner.
 

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« Reply #3190 on: June 24, 2017, 02:30:50 AM »
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Bone sniffing dogs are being taken to some island to search for Amelia Earhart's bones. Was just on the news ...

Probably the same guys who believe the plane is in a photo, and thinks they found pieces of wreckage just off an island I don't recall at the moment...

Shutter, you are referring to the TIGHAR (spelling?) group that thinks Amelia ended up at what used to be known as Gardner Island which is about 450 miles south of Howland Island.  Gardner is about a three hour flight in Amelia's aircraft from Howland.

If Amelia had three hours of fuel left when she radioed the people at Howland that "we must be upon you", then she and Noonan would have had sufficient time to find Howland.  It's a long story, but in my personal opinion there is a real possibility that Earhart and Noonan actually overshot Howland and probably ended up in the northeast quadrant from Howland.

You have it exactly right (including the TIGHAR spelling).  They are looking on Nikumaroro Island, which was formerly known as Gardner Island.

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I remember reading a book on the subject and to determine which direction to fly to Howland, they'd rotate an antennae while receiving a broadcast from the base on Howland and whichever direction they got the loudest signal was the direction to fly.  They turned it all the way around and got a loud signal everywhere, leading them to believe they must be right on top of Howland.

I believe the speed of her plane was about 140 mph, so to get to Gardner Island, as you say, she would have needed about three more hours of fuel.

And lo and behold, they picked up another signal, and it was DB Cooper's radio device he used in that crazy airline hijacking near Portland, Maine.  Oh wait, it was Portland, Oregon, sorry.  So now, they're thinking DB Cooper, of all people, might have had something to do with the Amelia Earhart disappearance.

 

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« Reply #3191 on: June 24, 2017, 08:46:58 AM »
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There is nothing to suggest that Amelia had any intention of going anywhere except Howland Island

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Like the Cooper case, it has a twist...

New Book Claims Amelia Earhart Was A Spy Captured By Japan
 

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« Reply #3192 on: June 24, 2017, 12:01:17 PM »
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There is nothing to suggest that Amelia had any intention of going anywhere except Howland Island

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Like the Cooper case, it has a twist...

New Book Claims Amelia Earhart Was A Spy Captured By Japan

The nonsense related to Amelia Earhart set the standard for the nonsense related to the Cooper hijacking. 
 

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« Reply #3193 on: June 24, 2017, 12:12:54 PM »
I remember watching a program about this. the guy claims to have seen Amelia's photo ID of some sort in a safe, or someone claiming they seen the photo..

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Recovery (TIGHAR), which has led efforts to find Earhart’s plane for some 25 years—point out that no government documents supporting the idea that Earhart was a U.S. spy have ever been found, whether in Roosevelt’s papers or in Army or Navy intelligence files from World War II. They suggest the rumors may have been inspired by the plot of the 1943 movie “Flight for Freedom,” starring Rosalind Russell and Fred MacMurray. In that film, Russell’s character (a celebrated female pilot clearly based on Earhart) flies over Japanese territory on an intelligence mission for the U.S. government prior to disappearing.

Top theories..
Theory #1: Earhart ran out of fuel, crashed and perished in the Pacific Ocean.
Theory #2: Earhart landed safely on Gardner Island but died before she could be rescued.
Theory #3: Earhart touched down on Saipan only to be executed by the Japanese.
Theory #4: Earhart’s flight was an elaborate scheme to spy on the Japanese, who captured her after she crashed.
Theory #5: Earhart survived a Pacific Ocean plane crash, was secretly repatriated to New Jersey and lived out her life under an assumed name.
Theory #6: Earhart survived and somehow made her way to Guadalcanal.
Theory #7: Earhart crashed on New Britain Island.
Theory #8: Earhart was captured by the Japanese and became “Tokyo Rose.”
Theory #9: Earhart was captured by the Japanese and traveled to Emirau Island.
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« Reply #3194 on: June 24, 2017, 04:28:03 PM »
Lots of people speak of conspiracies, and cover ups. if you really want to see one. I suggest looking up a man by the name of Paul Pantone. the government doesn't give two shits about carbon footprints. Paul is a perfect example.