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« Reply #2985 on: March 16, 2017, 10:00:01 PM »
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paulami    You say: "My 2¢: If Cooper wore colored contacts, why bother with sunglasses?  Wouldn't he want everyone to see his fake eye color?  Also, contact lenses are very bothersome if you aren't used to them, lots of blinking and watering.  Why not go with something easier, wig, mustache, hat, facial hair (it was the '70s)?"

I say: "Contacts are a little painful to a non-wearer and DB needed his eyes to be working well for the remainder of the caper, So once he established his false eye color (up close with the Flight Attendant) then the cosmetic "Brown" contacts could be removed and just wear the sun glasses, which he did. The colored contacts worked quite well and fooled the FBI."

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i say: Your suspect is looking by better by the day Bob.   The blue eyes now seem moot... Now we are on to the discrepancy of the Latin olive complexion and from the photos Peterson's white bread northern European Irish looking complexion, which I don't know how one could mistake, for olive...Tanned or not...

Dan Cooper is morphing by the hour! Keep em coming. Sailshaw will prevail in the Pop Media Oh So Great Cooper Wars.
Needless to say, Sailshaw may be right.....

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Tie results say DBC may have worked for Boeing.  Sail has been saying that all along.  Now the eye color issue.  Is Sail getting right-er and right-er the longer we go..?

Meyer
 

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« Reply #2986 on: March 16, 2017, 11:17:59 PM »
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paulami    You say: "My 2¢: If Cooper wore colored contacts, why bother with sunglasses?  Wouldn't he want everyone to see his fake eye color?  Also, contact lenses are very bothersome if you aren't used to them, lots of blinking and watering.  Why not go with something easier, wig, mustache, hat, facial hair (it was the '70s)?"

I say: "Contacts are a little painful to a non-wearer and DB needed his eyes to be working well for the remainder of the caper, So once he established his false eye color (up close with the Flight Attendant) then the cosmetic "Brown" contacts could be removed and just wear the sun glasses, which he did. The colored contacts worked quite well and fooled the FBI."

Bob Sailshaw
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i say: Your suspect is looking by better by the day Bob.   The blue eyes now seem moot... Now we are on to the discrepancy of the Latin olive complexion and from the photos Peterson's white bread northern European Irish looking complexion, which I don't know how one could mistake, for olive...Tanned or not...

Dan Cooper is morphing by the hour! Keep em coming. Sailshaw will prevail in the Pop Media Oh So Great Cooper Wars.
Needless to say, Sailshaw may be right.....

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Tie results say DBC may have worked for Boeing.  Sail has been saying that all along.  Now the eye color issue.  Is Sail getting right-er and right-er the longer we go..?

Meyer

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2987 on: March 19, 2017, 08:54:37 AM »
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paulami    You say: "My 2¢: If Cooper wore colored contacts, why bother with sunglasses?  Wouldn't he want everyone to see his fake eye color?  Also, contact lenses are very bothersome if you aren't used to them, lots of blinking and watering.  Why not go with something easier, wig, mustache, hat, facial hair (it was the '70s)?"

I say: "Contacts are a little painful to a non-wearer and DB needed his eyes to be working well for the remainder of the caper, So once he established his false eye color (up close with the Flight Attendant) then the cosmetic "Brown" contacts could be removed and just wear the sun glasses, which he did. The colored contacts worked quite well and fooled the FBI."

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i say: Your suspect is looking by better by the day Bob.   The blue eyes now seem moot... Now we are on to the discrepancy of the Latin olive complexion and from the photos Peterson's white bread northern European Irish looking complexion, which I don't know how one could mistake, for olive...Tanned or not...

Dan Cooper is morphing by the hour! Keep em coming. Sailshaw will prevail in the Pop Media Oh So Great Cooper Wars.
Needless to say, Sailshaw may be right.....

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Tie results say DBC may have worked for Boeing.  Sail has been saying that all along.  Now the eye color issue.  Is Sail getting right-er and right-er the longer we go..?

Meyer

Bob says: Peterson is Cooper.

I say:  How is it that his photo was never shown to Mucklow, or, that they did and he wasn't fingered?
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2988 on: March 20, 2017, 12:56:58 PM »
Sheridan had ALL the skills needed to pull off NORJACK successfully, but nobody has put him on the plane. The FBI obviouly didnt believe his Nepal alibi and subsequently sent a lovely SA (MJ Friar) to obtain a DNA swab which Sheridan willingly provided.

I have seen Sheridan recently and he does not have olive skin, not even slightly. Can't say what his skin looked like in 71. He also has the bluest blue eyes you will ever see. They are piercingly blue. 

If Sheridan were DBC I doubt if any of the money would have been lost in the jump. Smoke Jumpers know how to secure payloads. Sheridan had lots of freefall experience and knew that the forces in freefall would vastly exceed those encountered in static line jumps. In the HC documentary Sheridan, while hypothesizing if he actually were the skyjacker declared: "I'd have made it" and I think he indeed would have.

He is over 90 years old but remains remarkably fit and sharp. He'd make a jump right now if any DZ would let him. I offered to buy him a tandem jump but as expected, he had zero interest in being a freefall passenger.

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2989 on: March 20, 2017, 08:24:13 PM »
GG's stash

Has anyone seen Geoffrey's second stash of FBI documents? If so, do you have a link to them, so we can view them? Thanks.
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2990 on: March 20, 2017, 10:08:18 PM »
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Sheridan had ALL the skills needed to pull off NORJACK successfully, but nobody has put him on the plane. The FBI obviouly didnt believe his Nepal alibi and subsequently sent a lovely SA (MJ Friar) to obtain a DNA swab which Sheridan willingly provided.

I have seen Sheridan recently and he does not have olive skin, not even slightly. Can't say what his skin looked like in 71. He also has the bluest blue eyes you will ever see. They are piercingly blue. 

If Sheridan were DBC I doubt if any of the money would have been lost in the jump. Smoke Jumpers know how to secure payloads. Sheridan had lots of freefall experience and knew that the forces in freefall would vastly exceed those encountered in static line jumps. In the HC documentary Sheridan, while hypothesizing if he actually were the skyjacker declared: "I'd have made it" and I think he indeed would have.

He is over 90 years old but remains remarkably fit and sharp. He'd make a jump right now if any DZ would let him. I offered to buy him a tandem jump but as expected, he had zero interest in being a freefall passenger.

377

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Josh Gates from the Travel Channel/Expedition Unknown loved being a freefall passenger.  He said it was the best, craziest thing he has ever done.  After watching him, I'm thinking I may want to give it a try.  Jeff Kalous, are you listening?

Speaking of darker skin, I remember back in the 70s young people were always wanting to have a nice tan.  "Catching some rays" was the thing back then-- nobody worried much about skin cancer back then.  I also remember one friend buying lotion that produced a dark tan.  He just rubbed in the lotion, and voila....he had this deep dark tan.  I couldn't believe it, he did a massive makeover in 5 minutes!  He went from average- to good-looking in those 5 minutes.  Could DBC have done something like this to make his skin look dark/olive?

Meyer
 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2991 on: March 20, 2017, 10:35:21 PM »
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GG's stash

Has anyone seen Geoffrey's second stash of FBI documents? If so, do you have a link to them, so we can view them? Thanks.

Nothing new on True.Ink. However, on February 25th I received an email from True.Ink explaining they will be moving thier investigative teams to a new website on Slack.com You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.

According to the email:
Keep an eye out in your inbox for an invitation to join the “trueinkdbcooper” team on Slack. Then click the “join” button and make a Cooper case username for yourself. [If you get stuck, here’s a handy tutorial on how to enter Slack.] Remember: hundreds of other sleuths will be following your work, which will be public, so pick a fun and appropriate username.

I have not received an email since. So if there is a page I can not access it. I believe you need an invitation to join the group. 
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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2992 on: March 20, 2017, 11:28:41 PM »
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GG's stash

Has anyone seen Geoffrey's second stash of FBI documents? If so, do you have a link to them, so we can view them? Thanks.

Nothing new on True.Ink. However, on February 25th I received an email from True.Ink explaining they will be moving thier investigative teams to a new website on Slack.com You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.

According to the email:
Keep an eye out in your inbox for an invitation to join the “trueinkdbcooper” team on Slack. Then click the “join” button and make a Cooper case username for yourself. [If you get stuck, here’s a handy tutorial on how to enter Slack.] Remember: hundreds of other sleuths will be following your work, which will be public, so pick a fun and appropriate username.

I have not received an email since. So if there is a page I can not access it. I believe you need an invitation to join the group.

No surprise. Is Gray mentioned in any wiki leaks revelations?

 

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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2993 on: March 21, 2017, 01:23:50 PM »
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Sheridan had ALL the skills needed to pull off NORJACK successfully, but nobody has put him on the plane. The FBI obviouly didnt believe his Nepal alibi and subsequently sent a lovely SA (MJ Friar) to obtain a DNA swab which Sheridan willingly provided.

I have seen Sheridan recently and he does not have olive skin, not even slightly. Can't say what his skin looked like in 71. He also has the bluest blue eyes you will ever see. They are piercingly blue. 

If Sheridan were DBC I doubt if any of the money would have been lost in the jump. Smoke Jumpers know how to secure payloads. Sheridan had lots of freefall experience and knew that the forces in freefall would vastly exceed those encountered in static line jumps. In the HC documentary Sheridan, while hypothesizing if he actually were the skyjacker declared: "I'd have made it" and I think he indeed would have.

He is over 90 years old but remains remarkably fit and sharp. He'd make a jump right now if any DZ would let him. I offered to buy him a tandem jump but as expected, he had zero interest in being a freefall passenger.

377

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Josh Gates from the Travel Channel/Expedition Unknown loved being a freefall passenger.  He said it was the best, craziest thing he has ever done.  After watching him, I'm thinking I may want to give it a try.  Jeff Kalous, are you listening?

Speaking of darker skin, I remember back in the 70s young people were always wanting to have a nice tan.  "Catching some rays" was the thing back then-- nobody worried much about skin cancer back then.  I also remember one friend buying lotion that produced a dark tan.  He just rubbed in the lotion, and voila....he had this deep dark tan.  I couldn't believe it, he did a massive makeover in 5 minutes!  He went from average- to good-looking in those 5 minutes.  Could DBC have done something like this to make his skin look dark/olive?

Meyer

Definitely possible. Fake tan lotion was popular in the 60s and 70s, part of the surf and sun culture thing. I had a girlfriend in college who used the stuff and it didn't look fake. She was a science student and knew that dye was a lot less harmful for her skin than UV overexposure.

Remember Cooper's LONG time in the lav. I've always wondered if he dropped a contact lens. You know how hard they are to find. If indeed there were brown contacts involved, The FBI finding one left behind would blow the DBC brown eye description to hell.

377



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Re: New Forum & News Updates
« Reply #2994 on: March 24, 2017, 07:28:36 PM »
New Guy: Jason Langenfelder

A new guy, a former cop, has asked for assistance in having his commentaries posted here at the Forum. I'm not sure why he has been unable to register successfully, and I've asked for Shut's input but so far Shutter has been quiet. I trust he is okay.

In the meantime, I offered to Jason to post his stuff. Below is his most recent email to me, in which he begins by discussing the possibility of conducting a trial here on Norjak, such as presenting the evidence and examining suspects. I had also asked him about certain subjects, which are highlighted in "bold" below and followed by Jason's answers.

On 3/24/2017 1:54 PM, Jason Langenfelder wrote:

Sorry for the delay. This may be an email. I'm in a writing mood today and want to give you my thoughts on your questions.

  I don't mean put actual suspects on a mock trial...I mean put the whole investigation on trial. Ie...how would you attempt to try a theoretical suspect or even evidence if that makes sense?

 I will keep that in mind if I have anything halfway intelligent to come up with. I'm in the process of reading the posts in the forum and I really don't want to unknowingly bring up topics that have been discussed before without having a new idea. I truly appreciate all of the insight and help.


The Metal Particles

 As far as the titanium and rare earth metals? I'm not really sure. I'd say its unique and has potential but realistically, where can you go from that now? I would think one would have to determine what those metals could be used for then cross reference that with corporations that would use that material in the late 60's, early 70's then start from there.

 The tough part though is can you honestly say that those material came from that specific time period? In theory, the metals are on the tie, the tie was on the place, it's "tied" together. However, we are talking about:

 A. a horrendous chain of custody
 B. a violation of FBI rules pertaining to the evidence (wearing the tie as a joke, etc...)
 C. the tie being handled by however many different people
 D. the tie being located in the northwest for the past almost 50 years. Its been well pointed out that those materials are made in aircraft manufacturing. Well, where is Boeing located? The northwest. Where are other aeronautical companies located? The northwest. Where are computer companies located? The northwest. What I am getting at is my dad used to tell me stories about my grandmother going outside on the weekends and beating the rugs from the house with a broom to try and get the dust off of them that was in the air from Bethlehem Steel in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. So my issue would be transfer contact.

 The particles are interesting however in reality, it has the potential to be a ruse. Hell, I still kind of think that the tie was left behind on purpose.


The FBI and Norjak

 Honestly, they fucked it up. Like royally fucked it up. I do not believe they tried to bumble it, I think it was one of those things that just kind of happened. We call it the "swiss cheese model." Basically the theory is that if you order a pound of swiss cheese from the deli, all the holes should not initially line up so that you can see right through. However when you start making mistakes and not paying attention, all the holes eventually line up then you have a bad end result.

 So here are the holes:

 1. Holiday weekend
 2. Multiple FBI jurisdictions over three states
 3. Hoover's solving case bonuses to agents (this equals not sharing information)
 4. In-experience with this type of investigation
 5. The shock factor (is this really happening? oh shit this is happening! Oh hell! This just happened!)
 6. Miscommunication
 7. Lazy evidence collection
 8. Lastly, attempting to save face

 I will say that even know they bumbled it up, things happen. Sometimes investigations go to crap. Sometimes the villain wins. When I was a detective I worked a cold case homicide. The damn thing happened 10 years prior when it got dumped into my lap. I did my research, started from the beginning, reviewed the case files, and found a damn good suspect. Everything says the bad dude did it! Everything including his neighbor willing to testify that the victim was wrapped up in plastic under his trailer and quickly moved just before investigators arrived with a search warrant. Hell, I had cadaver dogs alert on his property. Twice. I found bones on his property. I just could not get it to the point where I felt I had enough to secure a conviction.

 Do I think the FBI has more suspects then what they released? Yes. Do I think the FBI relatively believes they know who it did it? Yes. Do I think that they felt like that if they brought the suspect to a court of law would they have enough physical evidence to secure a conviction? No. Well, potentially.


Closing the case

 I think its reached the end of the line. Realistically, is investigating this case worth taking away the time of case agents? What would you get out of it? A 20-year old sentence on an 80+ year-old? The satisfaction of getting the last laugh? The scenario I pose to you is this: Say for instance that imagine your friend or your loved one is a victim of a crime and instead of putting all effort into solving the case, they divert an agent and attention towards a 40-plus year old unsolved case. I agree that there were and still are victims of the skyjacking but you have to weigh both sides of the argument. Or maybe they know who it is and the man is dead now.


Cigarette Butts and Redaction

 I think the butts are still out there, in storage somewhere. Mislabeled or something. Some intern will be cleaning out a file room and come across them one day. The redactions? Who knows? There does seem to be a lot of them. Maybe its the FBI trying to save face or hell, maybe they have a redaction policy.


Cossey

 I think he liked the attention. I think he liked that people thought of him as the FBI's go to guy pertaining to the parachutes. Remember he was one of the few people that were intimately directed to the skyjacking. Ralph, Carr, and Eng were reactive when it came to the case...only Cossey was proactive. That carries a lot of weight sometimes.

 As far as his murder. I honestly do not believe that it was connected however, I will tell you I really don't know too many details about it. What would be the point of it if it was?


My thoughts on Cooper

 I believe that Cooper was a CIA guy with extensive experience. I just think there are too many coincidences there and I have always been taught never to believe in coincidences. The dude knew more about the plane then the freaking airlines and was way too calm to be an amateur. Every step was calculated. Personally, I think he survived. I think he had help on the ground. I do not think it was about the money. I am iffy if it was an actual CIA mission (thinking more of a Seal Team Red or Red Cell and less MKULTRA) but that sort of lines up.

  If he freelanced, I feel that the seats and a lot of the other evidence wound up at the CIA because they wanted to know who exactly did this. They probably had an idea from the start that he was CIA but just who they were unsure of. I think the mailed letters are bullshit and fake. I firmly believe the money was a plant however, I can't figure out why. I'm just calling it a gut feeling.

 Lastly, I had this uber weird thought one day that he survived and continued his CIA career and was killed in a later mission. That's one of the reasons we never heard from him. And in a bit of irony, his "fake" life is better remembered by a few hours on a November evening while his true life will forever be remembered by a small 2 1/4 inch by 2 1/4 inch star in the wall of the lobby of a non-descript government building in Langley, Virginia.

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« Reply #2995 on: March 24, 2017, 11:43:01 PM »
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Sheridan had ALL the skills needed to pull off NORJACK successfully, but nobody has put him on the plane. The FBI obviouly didnt believe his Nepal alibi and subsequently sent a lovely SA (MJ Friar) to obtain a DNA swab which Sheridan willingly provided.

I have seen Sheridan recently and he does not have olive skin, not even slightly. Can't say what his skin looked like in 71. He also has the bluest blue eyes you will ever see. They are piercingly blue. 

If Sheridan were DBC I doubt if any of the money would have been lost in the jump. Smoke Jumpers know how to secure payloads. Sheridan had lots of freefall experience and knew that the forces in freefall would vastly exceed those encountered in static line jumps. In the HC documentary Sheridan, while hypothesizing if he actually were the skyjacker declared: "I'd have made it" and I think he indeed would have.

He is over 90 years old but remains remarkably fit and sharp. He'd make a jump right now if any DZ would let him. I offered to buy him a tandem jump but as expected, he had zero interest in being a freefall passenger.

377

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Josh Gates from the Travel Channel/Expedition Unknown loved being a freefall passenger.  He said it was the best, craziest thing he has ever done.  After watching him, I'm thinking I may want to give it a try.  Jeff Kalous, are you listening?

Speaking of darker skin, I remember back in the 70s young people were always wanting to have a nice tan.  "Catching some rays" was the thing back then-- nobody worried much about skin cancer back then.  I also remember one friend buying lotion that produced a dark tan.  He just rubbed in the lotion, and voila....he had this deep dark tan.  I couldn't believe it, he did a massive makeover in 5 minutes!  He went from average- to good-looking in those 5 minutes.  Could DBC have done something like this to make his skin look dark/olive?

Meyer

Definitely possible. Fake tan lotion was popular in the 60s and 70s, part of the surf and sun culture thing. I had a girlfriend in college who used the stuff and it didn't look fake. She was a science student and knew that dye was a lot less harmful for her skin than UV overexposure.

Remember Cooper's LONG time in the lav. I've always wondered if he dropped a contact lens. You know how hard they are to find. If indeed there were brown contacts involved, The FBI finding one left behind would blow the DBC brown eye description to hell.

377

as would his hair comb and false teeth!
 

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« Reply #2996 on: March 25, 2017, 11:51:24 AM »
This is very interesting.. COOPER SLUETH FINDS LOST CASH - ME

A working theory is that the hijacker went to Vancouver BC Canada and stashed the money in a bank.  If so, he would likely have drained it and abandoned the bank account rather than closed it, leaving it abandoned. I was going through Canadian abandoned bank accounts searching different names, wildcards and variations and found one in Vancouver BC last used 1974 with $1100 abandoned.. the account holder address was in California..

I have his name and old address in California.

Cooper antenna go up..
A guy with a California address has abandoned $1100 in Vancouver BC bank.. last used 1974. further research shows he grew up in Seattle and the PNW then went to California in 1971.

Of course, there is no evidence that he is Cooper, but it is an interesting story, he can still CLAIM the money.. it is waiting for him.

Any intrepid reporters or Cooper sleuths/sleuthettes in the US want to follow up or contact him about it...  I think he is still living in California.

why DID he abandon the money in a Vancouver BC Bank in 1974?
 

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« Reply #2997 on: March 25, 2017, 12:26:22 PM »
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This is very interesting.. COOPER SLUETH FINDS LOST CASH - ME

A working theory is that the hijacker went to Vancouver BC Canada and stashed the money in a bank.  If so, he would likely have drained it and abandoned the bank account rather than closed it, leaving it abandoned. I was going through Canadian abandoned bank accounts searching different names, wildcards and variations and found one in Vancouver BC last used 1974 with $1100 abandoned.. the account holder address was in California..

I have his name and old address in California.

Cooper antenna go up..
A guy with a California address has abandoned $1100 in Vancouver BC bank.. last used 1974. further research shows he grew up in Seattle and the PNW then went to California in 1971.

Of course, there is no evidence that he is Cooper, but it is an interesting story, he can still CLAIM the money.. it is waiting for him.

Any intrepid reporters or Cooper sleuths/sleuthettes in the US want to follow up or contact him about it...  I think he is still living in California.

why DID he abandon the money in a Vancouver BC Bank in 1974?

Isnt this a recitation of Galen Cooks theory/claims?  :))
« Last Edit: March 25, 2017, 12:29:20 PM by georger »
 

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« Reply #2998 on: March 26, 2017, 10:10:33 AM »
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This is very interesting.. COOPER SLUETH FINDS LOST CASH - ME

A working theory is that the hijacker went to Vancouver BC Canada and stashed the money in a bank.  If so, he would likely have drained it and abandoned the bank account rather than closed it, leaving it abandoned. I was going through Canadian abandoned bank accounts searching different names, wildcards and variations and found one in Vancouver BC last used 1974 with $1100 abandoned.. the account holder address was in California..

I have his name and old address in California.

Cooper antenna go up..
A guy with a California address has abandoned $1100 in Vancouver BC bank.. last used 1974. further research shows he grew up in Seattle and the PNW then went to California in 1971.

Of course, there is no evidence that he is Cooper, but it is an interesting story, he can still CLAIM the money.. it is waiting for him.

Any intrepid reporters or Cooper sleuths/sleuthettes in the US want to follow up or contact him about it...  I think he is still living in California.

why DID he abandon the money in a Vancouver BC Bank in 1974?

Isnt this a recitation of Galen Cooks theory/claims?  :))

Cook's theory has no evidence..

My Vancouver BC 1974 abandoned bank account find is fact leading to a person then and now in California..

The dilemma is to inform him of the abandoned money and find out why..  maybe a good explanation, maybe not.
 

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« Reply #2999 on: March 26, 2017, 09:57:40 PM »
So, check it out, Fly.