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« Reply #360 on: November 27, 2017, 10:38:44 AM »
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Gregory's description is so different right down to the color of Cooper's suit coat, how could the people closest to Cooper have missed that!? You almost have to assume they were blind! Carr never did address this basic problem. Its problems like this created by Gray (and Gregory) that has opened the door to conspiracy theorists ... right down to one guy claiming the Laws of physical optics are different in the cabins of airplanes! (Blevins)

It's basically one of the reasons the FBI didn't put a lot of weight into the passengers descriptions. when you really don't pay much attention to a person it's kind of hard to give a realistic description.

who was at Thanksgiving in 1976, and what were they wearing? not many will know, unless it's about DB Cooper. then the memory is solid..

personally, I think Mitchell could be interviewed by Cooper and not have a clue. I think his memory has faded the most..

Bill Mitchell would probably agree with you on that.  When I talked to him he said it's pretty much just "bits and pieces" now that he remembers.
 

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« Reply #361 on: November 27, 2017, 11:01:42 AM »
This is where I find it rather concerning that a witness who actually seen Cooper, or even conversed with him have memory issue's. then you read about a witness who talks about a suspect, and they have 20/20 memory? they can recall exact moments in time such as being ran out of a room, or describe things in great detail four decades later, but I'll bet if you ask them what they had for super two months ago on a tuesday and what they were wearing they wouldn't have a clue...

My grandmother had a limp from an accident back in the 50's. I couldn't tell you right now which leg it was. she died in the mid 80's. I have a very good memory dating back to age 3 due to a double hernia. it was a traumatic event that makes me recall this. I have no clue what kind of watch my father had 20 years ago, but he always wore a watch.

I remember at 6 years old I stole all the mail on our street. why do I remember, my dad cracked my ass, that's why. I can remember my mom teaching me how to ride a bike while on training wheels. I remember as far back as 2nd grade. I remember my dad letting me drive the car on his lap at age 7 or 8. age 3 or 4 I dropped a fire engine truck on my brothers head off the stairs..I can't give you any times or dates with these events. I can pinpoint some of them by what house we were living in..

If you really don't have a reason to recall, or remember something, it's going to be erased, or completely distorted from reality. you would be surprised of how much you really don't know about yourself if you had a playback option.
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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #362 on: November 28, 2017, 03:17:20 AM »
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This is where I find it rather concerning that a witness who actually seen Cooper, or even conversed with him have memory issue's. then you read about a witness who talks about a suspect, and they have 20/20 memory? they can recall exact moments in time such as being ran out of a room, or describe things in great detail four decades later, but I'll bet if you ask them what they had for super two months ago on a tuesday and what they were wearing they wouldn't have a clue...

My grandmother had a limp from an accident back in the 50's. I couldn't tell you right now which leg it was. she died in the mid 80's. I have a very good memory dating back to age 3 due to a double hernia. it was a traumatic event that makes me recall this. I have no clue what kind of watch my father had 20 years ago, but he always wore a watch.

I remember at 6 years old I stole all the mail on our street. why do I remember, my dad cracked my ass, that's why. I can remember my mom teaching me how to ride a bike while on training wheels. I remember as far back as 2nd grade. I remember my dad letting me drive the car on his lap at age 7 or 8. age 3 or 4 I dropped a fire engine truck on my brothers head off the stairs..I can't give you any times or dates with these events. I can pinpoint some of them by what house we were living in..

If you really don't have a reason to recall, or remember something, it's going to be erased, or completely distorted from reality. you would be surprised of how much you really don't know about yourself if you had a playback option.


But on the other hand, there are people with great memories who remember specific things and specific people in great detail years and years later.  I can remember classmates from 2nd and third grade who don't remember me at all.  This happened a couple of years ago, I met a guy, and when I heard his name, i remembered him instantly.  I asked him if he lived in Oroville, WA in 3rd grade, he said yes; I asked him if his 3rd grade teacher was Mrs. Verney, he said yes; I asked him if he had red hair in 3rd grade, he said yes (he used to wear plaid shirts and cheap jeans, and had lots of greasy kid stuff in his hair too, but I didn't mention those things).  Then I told him we were friends in 3rd grade(and we really were).  He did not remember me at all.  I moved away from Oroville, WA after 3rd grade, early 60s,  and didn't see Rodney until 2014. 

It isn't so much I have a great memory, but like you said, one chooses to remember what one wants to remember, and I always made it a priority to remember my friends, since childhood. 

On 11/24/71 I was riding in a car, going home for Thanksgiving break, we were traveling up the Columbia River Gorge in the worst storm I've ever witnessed in the gorge.  One of my classmates in that car does not even remember that night!  I asked her about that night some 5 years ago or so.  She drew a blank, no recall.  What an idiot, I thought, and she became a doctor, an OBGYN.    I guess that night must not have been so memorable for her, although I find that very hard to believe.  She was the most scared in the car that night.  I saw the fear in her eyes and heard it in her voice, she was seriously concerned we were all going to die, and she tells me she doesn't remember?  No way, Jose!

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« Reply #363 on: November 28, 2017, 08:14:50 AM »
Sure, you always have exceptions to the rule. I just don't believe a majority of them could be witnesses about a suspect in this case.I can believe some of it to a certain extent, but not when you don't have a reason to recall the event decades later. like, remembering someone throwing something away is one of them, or being chased out of a room remembering in detail what was going on.
 

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« Reply #364 on: November 28, 2017, 09:29:10 AM »
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Sure, you always have exceptions to the rule. I just don't believe a majority of them could be witnesses about a suspect in this case.I can believe some of it to a certain extent, but not when you don't have a reason to recall the event decades later. like, remembering someone throwing something away is one of them, or being chased out of a room remembering in detail what was going on.

Memory is why the camera and recording devices were invented! But, once again Cooper was a good psychologist - he took measures: plain dress, dark glasses, no interaction. A phantom in a seat. Gregory was probably remembered more by Cooper than Gregory remembered Cooper!
 

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« Reply #365 on: November 28, 2017, 09:47:26 AM »
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Sure, you always have exceptions to the rule. I just don't believe a majority of them could be witnesses about a suspect in this case.I can believe some of it to a certain extent, but not when you don't have a reason to recall the event decades later. like, remembering someone throwing something away is one of them, or being chased out of a room remembering in detail what was going on.

Memory is why the camera and recording devices were invented! But, once again Cooper was a good psychologist - he took measures: plain dress, dark glasses, no interaction. A phantom in a seat. Gregory was probably remembered more by Cooper than Gregory remembered Cooper!

I tend to believe since he worked with paint and colors he was trying to take the lead as to what Cooper looked like and wore. very confident with what ever he says..most of the time they are wrong...
 

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« Reply #366 on: November 28, 2017, 04:54:51 PM »
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Sure, you always have exceptions to the rule. I just don't believe a majority of them could be witnesses about a suspect in this case.I can believe some of it to a certain extent, but not when you don't have a reason to recall the event decades later. like, remembering someone throwing something away is one of them, or being chased out of a room remembering in detail what was going on.

Memory is why the camera and recording devices were invented! But, once again Cooper was a good psychologist - he took measures: plain dress, dark glasses, no interaction. A phantom in a seat. Gregory was probably remembered more by Cooper than Gregory remembered Cooper!

...and Gregory can't remember where he was sitting. One of the things I really enjoy about all the different kinds of docs we are getting is how one 302 and its agent can reveal itsy-bitsy stuff that another agent and his 302 didn't get. Where Robert Gregory was sitting is one of those issues. At this point I'm putting RG in 16 D or 17 D because he had to look over his shoulder to see DBC, not 18C as has been reported in one 302 and echoed by Himmelsbach in one documentary.
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« Reply #367 on: November 28, 2017, 11:47:10 PM »
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Sure, you always have exceptions to the rule. I just don't believe a majority of them could be witnesses about a suspect in this case.I can believe some of it to a certain extent, but not when you don't have a reason to recall the event decades later. like, remembering someone throwing something away is one of them, or being chased out of a room remembering in detail what was going on.

Memory is why the camera and recording devices were invented! But, once again Cooper was a good psychologist - he took measures: plain dress, dark glasses, no interaction. A phantom in a seat. Gregory was probably remembered more by Cooper than Gregory remembered Cooper!

I tend to believe since he worked with paint and colors he was trying to take the lead as to what Cooper looked like and wore. very confident with what ever he says..most of the time they are wrong...

You might be right. Trying to invoke his personal expertise (house painter? paint salesman? color charts?)?

The one thing that comes through loud and clear about Gregory is his projection vs. memory. He 'remembers' russet, marcelled hair, and other facial details but 'projects' (what did this guy have that I didnt have that good looking stews were paying so much attention to him and not me)?

Fortunately there were other witnesses. 

 
 

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« Reply #368 on: November 29, 2017, 05:06:22 AM »
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Sure, you always have exceptions to the rule. I just don't believe a majority of them could be witnesses about a suspect in this case.I can believe some of it to a certain extent, but not when you don't have a reason to recall the event decades later. like, remembering someone throwing something away is one of them, or being chased out of a room remembering in detail what was going on.

Memory is why the camera and recording devices were invented! But, once again Cooper was a good psychologist - he took measures: plain dress, dark glasses, no interaction. A phantom in a seat. Gregory was probably remembered more by Cooper than Gregory remembered Cooper!

I tend to believe since he worked with paint and colors he was trying to take the lead as to what Cooper looked like and wore. very confident with what ever he says..most of the time they are wrong...

You might be right. Trying to invoke his personal expertise (house painter? paint salesman? color charts?)?

The one thing that comes through loud and clear about Gregory is his projection vs. memory. He 'remembers' russet, marcelled hair, and other facial details but 'projects' (what did this guy have that I didnt have that good looking stews were paying so much attention to him and not me)?

Fortunately there were other witnesses.


This projecting makes Gregory unreliable, IMO.  When you're trying to get a date with a stew, you are following your dick around, nothing else matters.  Being aware of much of anything else around you just ain't happening.  Maybe Gregory was exaggerating his description of Cooper.  Maybe he thought Cooper must be an Errol Flynn type, he must look pretty good, or be better looking than he, Gregory, is -- that must be why she's paying more attention to him, Cooper, than me, Gregory, -- or so he thinks.  He'll exaggerate Cooper's appearance -- classier hair (french-style marcelled hair, not just straight black hair), classier suit (russet, not just black), and so on.   His perceptions will be affected.  Competition for a woman's attention can do that to a guy.  That's what can happen when the head down there, instead of the one up there, does most of the thinking. 
 

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« Reply #369 on: November 29, 2017, 01:37:03 PM »
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Sure, you always have exceptions to the rule. I just don't believe a majority of them could be witnesses about a suspect in this case.I can believe some of it to a certain extent, but not when you don't have a reason to recall the event decades later. like, remembering someone throwing something away is one of them, or being chased out of a room remembering in detail what was going on.

Memory is why the camera and recording devices were invented! But, once again Cooper was a good psychologist - he took measures: plain dress, dark glasses, no interaction. A phantom in a seat. Gregory was probably remembered more by Cooper than Gregory remembered Cooper!

I tend to believe since he worked with paint and colors he was trying to take the lead as to what Cooper looked like and wore. very confident with what ever he says..most of the time they are wrong...

You might be right. Trying to invoke his personal expertise (house painter? paint salesman? color charts?)?

The one thing that comes through loud and clear about Gregory is his projection vs. memory. He 'remembers' russet, marcelled hair, and other facial details but 'projects' (what did this guy have that I didnt have that good looking stews were paying so much attention to him and not me)?

Fortunately there were other witnesses.


This projecting makes Gregory unreliable, IMO.  When you're trying to get a date with a stew, you are following your dick around, nothing else matters.  Being aware of much of anything else around you just ain't happening.  Maybe Gregory was exaggerating his description of Cooper.  Maybe he thought Cooper must be an Errol Flynn type, he must look pretty good, or be better looking than he, Gregory, is -- that must be why she's paying more attention to him, Cooper, than me, Gregory, -- or so he thinks.  He'll exaggerate Cooper's appearance -- classier hair (french-style marcelled hair, not just straight black hair), classier suit (russet, not just black), and so on.   His perceptions will be affected.  Competition for a woman's attention can do that to a guy.  That's what can happen when the head down there, instead of the one up there, does most of the thinking.

Im smiling - laughing.  ;)  I think you hit the nail on the head - best statement of this ever. Oh to be young again!  :rofl:
 

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« Reply #370 on: November 29, 2017, 02:43:03 PM »
Meyer nailed it. I am an airplane nut and pay a lot of attention to the technical details of jumpships I ride on. However When naked female skydivers are aboard, I have a hard time remembering what kind of plane I was riding in. Surely this phenomena has been studied by psychologists and cognitive scientists.  ;)

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« Reply #371 on: November 29, 2017, 03:26:50 PM »
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Meyer nailed it. I am an airplane nut and pay a lot of attention to the technical details of jumpships I ride on. However When naked female skydivers are aboard, I have a hard time remembering what kind of plane I was riding in. Surely this phenomena has been studied by psychologists and cognitive scientists.  ;)

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Could we keep the SEXUAL CONTENT off this page@!  If you and Bruce want to discuss naked female skydivers please take it somewhere else. It's purdy damned simple - cowboy.  :)

 

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« Reply #372 on: November 29, 2017, 03:49:42 PM »
What better place is there to talk about naked skydivers than "The DB Cooper Show" thread?
 

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« Reply #373 on: November 29, 2017, 03:58:44 PM »
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What better place is there to talk about naked skydivers than "The DB Cooper Show" thread?

Doesn't DropZone have a thread on this subject?
 

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« Reply #374 on: December 18, 2017, 04:51:52 AM »
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Sure, you always have exceptions to the rule. I just don't believe a majority of them could be witnesses about a suspect in this case.I can believe some of it to a certain extent, but not when you don't have a reason to recall the event decades later. like, remembering someone throwing something away is one of them, or being chased out of a room remembering in detail what was going on.


Memory is why the camera and recording devices were invented! But, once again Cooper was a good psychologist - he took measures: plain dress, dark glasses, no interaction. A phantom in a seat. Gregory was probably remembered more by Cooper than Gregory remembered Cooper!

Elizabeth Loftus is perhaps the most highly consulted expert on the pitfalls of eyewitness testimony/memory, though there have been criticisms of her work. Of course, some people have better memories than others; and some people are better at noticing things in the first place. People also remember different things. I don't remember eye colour; I do remember hair colour but not style unless it's unusual. I rarely remember details of interior design. I will remember what kind of vocab someone used - even whole snatches of dialog - and what they sounded like. My husband was in FX makeup and will recognize a face under tons of makeup or years of natural aging - eyes first. But georger's right about DBC's sartorial choice. My clearest memory of the first time I was in Pearson Airport as a teen was how many "suits" there were. Blue was big that year, but lots of grey, brown, black, too. And I couldn't have told one person from another; it's like that scene in the Thomas Crown Affair remake where there's a hundred guys in bowler hats and the cops can't follow their man.