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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2017, 06:32:26 AM »
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Hello Everyone!

Airing tonight:  D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN!

Back this summer I reached out to a lot of you for help with a D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN on the Travel Channel.  I was impressed by the depth of knowledge of everyone on this site and grateful for everyone's generosity.  I'm happy to announce that the episode debuts this evening on the Travel Channel at 9pm.  I want to again thank everyone on here who ever answered an email or a phone call from me or or co-workers.  Specific thanks to members here: Shutter, Bruce Smith, Robert99, Georger, Meyer Louie, & Mark Meltzer (Mark's on here, I think, yes?).

I hope you all enjoy the show. And just remember, anything that you like, I'm totally responsible for (with all your help), and anything you don't–it was the Network!

Thanks again to a great community!


-Amanda Marks

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I thought it was generally well done and entertaining. What was the final result of lab analysis on the metal ring found at Tina Bar?

The Greg Hall Theory filled in the gap where all Cooper documentaries stall; at the jump. But, Cooper jumping near Reno does not explain money at Tina Bar, or did I miss that? Nope – I didn’t miss anything but this illustrates the problem. But is this possible and leaves no physical evidence in the cockpit? No swoosh, no bump, no oscillations, no blinking of door or stairs light … just a clean exit without any trace whatsoever like in the X-Files … near Reno?  Cooper letter of thanks sent to Reno the next day. This means the FBI has been withholding vital facts and lying to us all along.

New particles:  But is the tie Coopers? I do not mean: ‘did Cooper wear the tie during the hijacking?’. What I mean is ‘Was the tie part of Cooper’s actual life, for a week, a month, a lifetime wherever he went and lived’?  Answer: I dunno. And neither does anyone else I know of, but we can play like it does – that should consume another 40- years of press conferences and tv appearances.

Appearance:  What did Cooper look like? Neat well dressed or disheveled? Who is right and who is wrong? The guy with all of the FBI files is right by fiat! He’s always right. Which means I have been wasting my life for eight long years! But I really wonder what Cooper looked like? A lost Cocker Spaniel or Donald Trump? Somebody very clearly didn'tt have his or her shit together and we are expecting total morons to give us conflicting opinions about what a camel looks like - in the cabin of an airplane where all of those round lines create optical illusions of grandure in particle analysis! Robert Blevins is therefore correct! Cooper could be anyone! Did Kenny repair CRT's and SST's in his spare time using a blow torch and a hand saw?    :))

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To respond to your question, Georger: The metal ring that Josh handed to me, in the footage toward the end of the Tina Bar shoot, when we were all looking at it, and I said "it could be an accessory from the parachute"?  What I said right after that -- and it got cut from the show -- was "I'll turn that [the metal ring] over to the expert -- the scientist."  At that time, I handed it over to you, Robert.  I'm wondering if Josh took it back -- I seem to remember him wanting to look at it again.   I lost track of that metal ring, I assumed either you, Robert, or Josh had it.

Georger makes some good points, he totally shoots holes in the "creative license" the show took in terms of assumptions and implications made.  Is that really what Cooper looked like? A scrawny, brown-haired, thin-haired, scraggly-looking guy in desperate need of a haircut?
 
Also, at the very beginning, when Josh was talking to Geoffrey Gray, Gray makes a big deal about the description the guy sitting kitty-corner from Cooper gave.  We saw the actual FBI document (which only GG had access too ----- woooooooh) that provided this information of Mitchell's description of Cooper.  Why wasn't Tina Mucklow's description brought to light?  We got a lady who sat next to Cooper for several hours vs. a guy who was trying to hit on, and pick up, a cute stewardess.  Which description would I find more credible?  What do I know -- that's just me?

I talked earlier about the tie, I agree with Georger on this -- the connection between the tie and Cooper is pretty flimsy.  Speculation at best, but hobbyist Tom Kaye's other lab and Tom don't think so.  All them rare elements...but on a good note, as Mark Bennett said, it give us something to talk about now.  I could say more, but I think I've said enough....

Meyer
 

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« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2017, 11:04:26 AM »
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Hello Everyone!

Airing tonight:  D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN!

Back this summer I reached out to a lot of you for help with a D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN on the Travel Channel.  I was impressed by the depth of knowledge of everyone on this site and grateful for everyone's generosity.  I'm happy to announce that the episode debuts this evening on the Travel Channel at 9pm.  I want to again thank everyone on here who ever answered an email or a phone call from me or or co-workers.  Specific thanks to members here: Shutter, Bruce Smith, Robert99, Georger, Meyer Louie, & Mark Meltzer (Mark's on here, I think, yes?).

I hope you all enjoy the show. And just remember, anything that you like, I'm totally responsible for (with all your help), and anything you don't–it was the Network!

Thanks again to a great community!


-Amanda Marks

Travel Channel Production:

I thought it was generally well done and entertaining. What was the final result of lab analysis on the metal ring found at Tina Bar?

The Greg Hall Theory filled in the gap where all Cooper documentaries stall; at the jump. But, Cooper jumping near Reno does not explain money at Tina Bar, or did I miss that? Nope – I didn’t miss anything but this illustrates the problem. But is this possible and leaves no physical evidence in the cockpit? No swoosh, no bump, no oscillations, no blinking of door or stairs light … just a clean exit without any trace whatsoever like in the X-Files … near Reno?  Cooper letter of thanks sent to Reno the next day. This means the FBI has been withholding vital facts and lying to us all along.

New particles:  But is the tie Coopers? I do not mean: ‘did Cooper wear the tie during the hijacking?’. What I mean is ‘Was the tie part of Cooper’s actual life, for a week, a month, a lifetime wherever he went and lived’?  Answer: I dunno. And neither does anyone else I know of, but we can play like it does – that should consume another 40- years of press conferences and tv appearances.

Appearance:  What did Cooper look like? Neat well dressed or disheveled? Who is right and who is wrong? The guy with all of the FBI files is right by fiat! He’s always right. Which means I have been wasting my life for eight long years! But I really wonder what Cooper looked like? A lost Cocker Spaniel or Donald Trump? Somebody very clearly didn'tt have his or her shit together and we are expecting total morons to give us conflicting opinions about what a camel looks like - in the cabin of an airplane where all of those round lines create optical illusions of grandure in particle analysis! Robert Blevins is therefore correct! Cooper could be anyone! Did Kenny repair CRT's and SST's in his spare time using a blow torch and a hand saw?    :))

______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

To respond to your question, Georger: The metal ring that Josh handed to me, in the footage toward the end of the Tina Bar shoot, when we were all looking at it, and I said "it could be an accessory from the parachute"?  What I said right after that -- and it got cut from the show -- was "I'll turn that [the metal ring] over to the expert -- the scientist."  At that time, I handed it over to you, Robert.  I'm wondering if Josh took it back -- I seem to remember him wanting to look at it again.   I lost track of that metal ring, I assumed either you, Robert, or Josh had it.

Georger makes some good points, he totally shoots holes in the "creative license" the show took in terms of assumptions and implications made.  Is that really what Cooper looked like? A scrawny, brown-haired, thin-haired, scraggly-looking guy in desperate need of a haircut?
 
Also, at the very beginning, when Josh was talking to Geoffrey Gray, Gray makes a big deal about the description the guy sitting kitty-corner from Cooper gave.  We saw the actual FBI document (which only GG had access too ----- woooooooh) that provided this information of Mitchell's description of Cooper.  Why wasn't Tina Mucklow's description brought to light?  We got a lady who sat next to Cooper for several hours vs. a guy who was trying to hit on, and pick up, a cute stewardess.  Which description would I find more credible?  What do I know -- that's just me?

I talked earlier about the tie, I agree with Georger on this -- the connection between the tie and Cooper is pretty flimsy.  Speculation at best, but hobbyist Tom Kaye's other lab and Tom don't think so.  All them rare elements...but on a good note, as Mark Bennett said, it give us something to talk about now.  I could say more, but I think I've said enough....

Meyer

Meyer,

The only time I got a good look at that ring was BEFORE Josh Gates taped his discussion of it.  I don't know what happened to it afterwards.  Maybe he kept it.
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2017, 04:21:40 PM »
Media Coverage of Tie Particles

It's growing. It was the lead story on Seattle's NBC outlet, KING 5, TV's broadcast last night.

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Tom did a great job, too, in his interview with reporter Chris Ingalls, who has been following the DBC story very closely for years.
 

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« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2017, 05:01:17 PM »
I believe he did a good job also, but I'm not sold on the SST thingy. the screens, or monitors would of been shipped in from the manufacture, so getting any particles would not occur. I install a lot of canopies, most I construct in the field so I do a lot of drilling which would cause shavings to be all over me. Now, if a canopy is shipped to us, and I install it as is. the only thing I will have on my clothing is dust from drilling into the concrete.

The question should be, where did they get the CRT screens from?

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« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2017, 05:14:38 PM »
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Media Coverage of Tie Particles

It's growing. It was the lead story on Seattle's NBC outlet, KING 5, TV's broadcast last night.

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Tom did a great job, too, in his interview with reporter Chris Ingalls, who has been following the DBC story very closely for years.

So you think the toxic tie cocktail represents a slice of Cooper's life? Did Ingalls say anything about the toxic nature of the particles? Or do we now just assume Cooper 'glowed in the dark'?   ;)

Didn't he come equipped with an antihistamine? Isn't that in the Transcripts?

If those particles were passively on the tie what was in the wearer's lungs and liver?  If we assume A don't we have to assume B? And C and D and E and F?  :))

ps* but alas, I know nothing will ever come of this or if it does it will be eight more years ... or never.
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« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2017, 06:38:06 PM »
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Media Coverage of Tie Particles

It's growing. It was the lead story on Seattle's NBC outlet, KING 5, TV's broadcast last night.

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Tom did a great job, too, in his interview with reporter Chris Ingalls, who has been following the DBC story very closely for years.

So you think the toxic tie cocktail represents a slice of Cooper's life? Did Ingalls say anything about the toxic nature of the particles? Or do we now just assume Cooper 'glowed in the dark'?   ;)

Didn't he come equipped with an antihistamine? Isn't that in the Transcripts?

If those particles were passively on the tie what was in the wearer's lungs and liver?  If we assume A don't we have to assume B? And C and D and E and F?  :))

ps* but alas, I know nothing will ever come of this or if it does it will be eight more years ... or never.

I think the pills that Cooper said he had were something along the line of "speed" (or whatever) which is suppose to keep sleepy people awake and full of energy.
 

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« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2017, 07:10:35 PM »
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Media Coverage of Tie Particles

It's growing. It was the lead story on Seattle's NBC outlet, KING 5, TV's broadcast last night.

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Tom did a great job, too, in his interview with reporter Chris Ingalls, who has been following the DBC story very closely for years.

So you think the toxic tie cocktail represents a slice of Cooper's life? Did Ingalls say anything about the toxic nature of the particles? Or do we now just assume Cooper 'glowed in the dark'?   ;)

Didn't he come equipped with an antihistamine? Isn't that in the Transcripts?

If those particles were passively on the tie what was in the wearer's lungs and liver?  If we assume A don't we have to assume B? And C and D and E and F?  :))

ps* but alas, I know nothing will ever come of this or if it does it will be eight more years ... or never.

I think the pills that Cooper said he had were something along the line of "speed" (or whatever) which is suppose to keep sleepy people awake and full of energy.

which also work as an antihistamine - a cross over. Im rather interested in the pharmacology and biology that's on that tie if it was Cooper's. That could not only narrow the search for Cooper but go straight to motive -

This guy is in his forties to early fifties so 'he's had a life' by the standards of the time, and along with that a history including any medical issues occupational or otherwise. He said he wanted to "go to a place you would like' so he had something on his mind based on his life to that point. It's a little hard to glean that kind of information from atomic particles alone so I want to see the rest of the cocktail on that tie, if any.

Did Tom take any bio swabs?  I want to know if this guy has any regional or occupational diseases that are obvious with medications on the tie ?
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« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2017, 07:22:24 PM »
From Snowmman.

"strontium sulfide (or maybe strontium sulfate or strontium chloride or strontium nitrate) is used in railroad/signal flares to get the red color in the flame"

Hmmmm...

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From Snowmman.

"strontium sulfide (or maybe strontium sulfate or strontium chloride or strontium nitrate) is used in railroad/signal flares to get the red color in the flame"

Hmmmm...

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yes - there's a whole bunch of stuff there that cuts occupationally ...  and product wise.
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What is in road flares?

Different companies use different compositons when manufacturing road flares, so it is impossible to give a specific answer for the flare in your hand.  However, they do tend to have similar compositions, and so a generalized answer is possible.
Examine the following table.  (percentages?)
 
 

Strontium nitrate   69   61   60   62   75   63   31   43
Potassium nitrate       15   23   15               
Potassium perchlorate   8               10       44   9
Sulfur   13   6   7   19   10   16       
Charcoal       5   2   4               
Sawdust   10               4           
Aluminum flake                       16       
Magnesium 50-100                                29
Red gum       13   7                   
Epoxy resin                           25   
Shellac                       5       
Dextrin           2                   
Parlon                               12
Source   "Railway"
Davis   "Railway"
Davis   "Railway"
Davis   "Railway"
Davis   "Railway"
Davis   "Wing tip"
Davis   "Low reside"
Conkling   McLain
Note that every composition contains strontium nitrate (Sr(NO3)2).  That is because the strontium is responsible for either a red or red-orange color.   However, strontium nitrate is not a great oxidizer - a mixture of Sr(NO3)2 and a fuel will hardly burn.   So a better oxidizer such as potassium perchlorate or potassium nitrate or an energetic fuel such as aluminum or magnesium is added to give the extra energy needed for a fast combustion.

The rest of the components are either fuels, or a compound that serves as acombination fuel and binder, or parlon which is a binder but not really a fuel.

Some older flare formulations also had things such as pitch, asphalt, wax, tallow, potassium chlorate and black powder.   Those are not likely to be part of modern flare formulations.

The flares are pressed dry.

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Cesium has the second lowest melting point of all metallic elements, which limits its uses. Cesium readily combines with oxygen and is used as a getter, a material that combines with and removes trace gases from vacuum tubes. Cesium is also used in atomic clocks, in photoelectric cells and as a catalyst in the hydrogenation of certain organic compounds. Since it is easily ionized and has a high mass, cesium ions may one day be used as a propellant in ion engines on spacecraft.

Cesium reacts violently with water and ice, forming cesium hydroxide (CsOH). Cesium hydroxide is the strongest base known and will attack glass. Cesium chloride (CsCl) and cesium nitrate (CsNO3) are cesium's most common compounds and are primarily used in the production of other chemicals.

Titanium-aluminum-vanadium alloy is used in jet engines and for high-speed aircraft. Vanadium foil is used in cladding titanium to steel. Vanadium-gallium tape is used in superconducting magnets. Vanadium pentoxide is used in ceramics and as a catalyst for the production of sulfuric acid.

Cadmium is a poisonous metal and its use is somewhat limited for this reason. Like zinc, cadmium can be electroplated to other materials to protect them from corrosion. Cadmium easily absorbs neutrons and is used to make control rods for nuclear reactors. Cadmium is also used in rechargeable nickel-cadmium batteries.
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« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2017, 08:30:40 PM »
Cooper era military parachute hardware was cadmium plated.

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Cooper era military parachute hardware was cadmium plated.

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the question would be how this material got on the tie. I don't think the clips from the harness would transfer...I would think the particles came from manufacturing...
 

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« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2017, 09:08:09 PM »
Chris Ingalls' broadcast is going viral

KING 5's Chris Ingalls' broadcast on the tie and his interview with Tom Kaye is apparently going nationwide. My mother in NYC just called to tell me it aired there this evening. US Today also picked it up, and I've received numerous phone calls and emails about it.
 

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« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2017, 10:42:23 PM »
When I got a call from my mother tonight about Chris Ingall's report on Tom and the metals, I knew I had to write about it. See the Mountain News:

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