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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #405 on: April 04, 2019, 02:41:22 PM »
So what can be done with the AI Photo Analysis results from the Declassified show? It seems like this sort of photo-matching analysis is done all the time on these kinds of shows, and never actually results in anything but a good TV moment. We're now at the point where a computer programmer can create a result that can't be challenged since we don't have any idea how the computer came to the conclusions it came to. It's very frustrating since anyone looking at the Cooper sketches and a photo of McCoy can tell they are very different.
 

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« Reply #406 on: April 04, 2019, 03:00:54 PM »
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So what can be done with the AI Photo Analysis results from the Declassified show? It seems like this sort of photo-matching analysis is done all the time on these kinds of shows, and never actually results in anything but a good TV moment. We're now at the point where a computer programmer can create a result that can't be challenged since we don't have any idea how the computer came to the conclusions it came to. It's very frustrating since anyone looking at the Cooper sketches and a photo of McCoy can tell they are very different.

It is amazing how some people treat the sketches (plural) as photographs. By definition a sketch is not real.
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« Reply #407 on: April 04, 2019, 04:12:10 PM »
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So what can be done with the AI Photo Analysis results from the Declassified show? It seems like this sort of photo-matching analysis is done all the time on these kinds of shows, and never actually results in anything but a good TV moment. We're now at the point where a computer programmer can create a result that can't be challenged since we don't have any idea how the computer came to the conclusions it came to. It's very frustrating since anyone looking at the Cooper sketches and a photo of McCoy can tell they are very different.

It is amazing how some people treat the sketches (plural) as photographs. By definition a sketch is not real.


They did the samething with Duane Weber...
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #408 on: June 30, 2019, 08:08:19 PM »
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So what can be done with the AI Photo Analysis results from the Declassified show? It seems like this sort of photo-matching analysis is done all the time on these kinds of shows, and never actually results in anything but a good TV moment. We're now at the point where a computer programmer can create a result that can't be challenged since we don't have any idea how the computer came to the conclusions it came to. It's very frustrating since anyone looking at the Cooper sketches and a photo of McCoy can tell they are very different.

It is amazing how some people treat the sketches (plural) as photographs. By definition a sketch is not real.


They did the samething with Duane Weber...
OMG the Duane Weber sketch thing was greasy. How many years after the hijacking? And based mainly on Flo's description, which even back in the day was subject to change here and there. Reading her versions of events always causes a lot of re-reading - trying to pin down exactly when and how many times he donned the glasses, for example. It's been a while but I seem to remember there being two Flo versions of that in 1971. The eye colour is listed as brown solely on Flo's description, and was modified later to "possibly brown", so she wasn't that sure. She also came across as the witness most affected by the stress of the situation - Tina spent more time with Cooper and seems to have kept a cooler head. And Bill Mitchell didn't know he was looking at a hijacker. I tend to put the most weight on Tina and Bill's descriptions, along with Nancy House's description of the white bag (also mentioned by Bill). That description was very detailed, and she freely admitted she could not definitely describe the man himself, so there's a ring of conscientious honesty to her description. The later "Weber" sketch looks so unlike any of the other sketches, it's laughable. Can't take it seriously.
 

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Re: EXPEDITION UNKNOWN FOLLOW UP - LATE OCTOBER 2019
« Reply #409 on: September 26, 2019, 02:21:12 PM »
Hello Cooperites,

Greeting from the EXU team! We are returning to the PNW and are throwing out a wide net. We would love to hear about any new leads you are pursuing that involve an active investigation in the field. We want to work WITH you and are willing to go where ever the leads take us.

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« Reply #410 on: September 26, 2019, 02:57:42 PM »
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Hello Cooperites,

Greeting from the EXU team! We are returning to the PNW and are throwing out a wide net. We would love to hear about any new leads you are pursuing that involve an active investigation in the field. We want to work WITH you and are willing to go where ever the leads take us.

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Not a whole lot surrounding anything new. some evidence surrounding the flight path has always been of interest to the community. several believe the flight path is much different from what was concluded. getting to the bottom of the Amboy chute has also raised questions over the years. then questions surrounding the placard found years later believed to have been from flight 305...
 

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« Reply #411 on: September 26, 2019, 03:49:19 PM »
According to a person I spoke with in connection to the above read that the Amboy chute was from a controlled burn in the area where the chute was found. I've never read anything about that?
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #412 on: September 29, 2019, 03:46:56 AM »
For the sake of clarification, the "EXU" cited a couple of posts above is Expedition Unknown, I believe. They did a DB Cooper episode a few years ago that explored the western flight path and the theories put forward by Robert99. I was part of that shoot, along with Meyer Louie and Robert99.
 

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« Reply #413 on: September 29, 2019, 12:39:15 PM »
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For the sake of clarification, the "EXU" cited a couple of posts above is Expedition Unknown, I believe. They did a DB Cooper episode a few years ago that explored the western flight path and the theories put forward by Robert99. I was part of that shoot, along with Meyer Louie and Robert99.

Bruce, as you well know, the "exploration" of "the western flight path and the theories put forward by Robert99" were a trivial part of that program.  It actually went with a Cooper jump near Reno, NV.

By the way, what was your involvement with that program?  And why wasn't Shutter in that program?
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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #414 on: September 29, 2019, 01:00:44 PM »
The show basically surrounded Tina Bar and had Bruce, R99 and Meyer searching the area with metal detectors and the western flight path was brought up. Tom Kaye was also on the show and they paid for the expensive testing that exposed the rare earth elements.

I was slated to fly out to California after months of trying to figure out how the segment surrounding the simulation of the flight path was going to be presented. first it was discussed coming to my home. then we were going to utilize a flight simulator in Sanford Florida. that failed for several reasons. the owner never really liked the idea and the simulator didn't have a night flight in the software. it was decided to use a flight simulator in California that I wasn't completely on board with due to it being a 737 simulator but did finally agree. everything was set and just days to my leaving for California was sent an email that the segment was bumped. this was because Josh wanted to do a tandem jump along with the theory of Cooper jumping in Reno...so, to answer the question of my being on the show, no, but spent months in the background with phone calls and emails putting the segment together.
 
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« Reply #415 on: September 29, 2019, 02:30:22 PM »
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The show basically surrounded Tina Bar and had Bruce, R99 and Meyer searching the area with metal detectors and the western flight path was brought up. Tom Kaye was also on the show and they paid for the expensive testing that exposed the rare earth elements.

I was slated to fly out to California after months of trying to figure out how the segment surrounding the simulation of the flight path was going to be presented. first it was discussed coming to my home. then we were going to utilize a flight simulator in Sanford Florida. that failed for several reasons. the owner never really liked the idea and the simulator didn't have a night flight in the software. it was decided to use a flight simulator in California that I wasn't completely on board with due to it being a 737 simulator but did finally agree. everything was set and just days to my leaving for California was sent an email that the segment was bumped. this was because Josh wanted to do a tandem jump along with the theory of Cooper jumping in Reno...so, to answer the question of my being on the show, no, but spent months in the background with phone calls and emails putting the segment together.

I knew that but I'll bet Bruce didn't.
 

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« Reply #416 on: September 29, 2019, 05:19:12 PM »
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For the sake of clarification, the "EXU" cited a couple of posts above is Expedition Unknown, I believe. They did a DB Cooper episode a few years ago that explored the western flight path and the theories put forward by Robert99. I was part of that shoot, along with Meyer Louie and Robert99.

Bruce, as you well know, the "exploration" of "the western flight path and the theories put forward by Robert99" were a trivial part of that program.  It actually went with a Cooper jump near Reno, NV.

By the way, what was your involvement with that program?  And why wasn't Shutter in that program?

Tell the whole story!  :rofl:

 It actually went with a Cooper jump near Reno, NV.  .... with acceptance of the FBI V23 flight path. That remained in tact and unchallenged, even by you mysteriously. You stood there at Tina Bar with Meyer and didn't say one word about a west path over Tina Bar. And Gates didn't bring it up either even though he was aware. Why not?

The greatest contribution of the program was to get an expanded analysis of Tom's particles through McCrone. Josh Gates programs are always heavy on forensics. Gates is a forensic archaeologist.

In fact, he always looks at the major theories going in each case he examines. He evidently didn't think your west path theory qualified to even mention.   

Who knows! Maybe Derek will pretend to be you and the West Path Theory next at Dropzone ?
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« Reply #417 on: September 29, 2019, 07:20:16 PM »
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For the sake of clarification, the "EXU" cited a couple of posts above is Expedition Unknown, I believe. They did a DB Cooper episode a few years ago that explored the western flight path and the theories put forward by Robert99. I was part of that shoot, along with Meyer Louie and Robert99.

Bruce, as you well know, the "exploration" of "the western flight path and the theories put forward by Robert99" were a trivial part of that program.  It actually went with a Cooper jump near Reno, NV.

By the way, what was your involvement with that program?  And why wasn't Shutter in that program?

Tell the whole story!  :rofl:

 It actually went with a Cooper jump near Reno, NV.  .... with acceptance of the FBI V23 flight path. That remained in tact and unchallenged, even by you mysteriously. You stood there at Tina Bar with Meyer and didn't say one word about a west path over Tina Bar. And Gates didn't bring it up either even though he was aware. Why not?

The greatest contribution of the program was to get an expanded analysis of Tom's particles through McCrone. Josh Gates programs are always heavy on forensics. Gates is a forensic archaeologist.

In fact, he always looks at the major theories going in each case he examines. He evidently didn't think your west path theory qualified to even mention.   

Who knows! Maybe Derek will pretend to be you and the West Path Theory next at Dropzone ?

Georger, you don't know what happened at Tina Bar during that filming.  And your claims are nonsense.  The bypass on the west side of Portland was briefly discussed and filmed.  I frankly don't remember any other flight path being discussed or filmed that day or even discussed in the TV broadcast.

Expedition Unknown has several additional hours of film that were made at Tina Bar that day and not aired.  There were two cameramen plus a drone operator.  And they undoubtedly have additional unaired footage from other locations they visited for the program.

I had suggested that Gates do a tandem jump or a vertical wind tunnel segment in the Los Angeles area.  But they went with the Reno segment.

After the program was aired, I e-mailed Amanda Marks that I enjoyed the program (viewing it as an entertainment program) and thanked her for their support of Tom Kaye's work.

And you may remember that Amanda also posted that if you didn't like the program to blame it on the network.

I did not have any intention of being on camera in the first place.  But Amanda "commanded" me to do so (there is a longer story about that) and she wouldn't take "no" for an answer.

Also, you e-mailed me about the probability of Cooper jumping at Reno.  And I replied to your e-mail with my frank assessment of that probability.  Do you remember what I wrote?

With all due respect to Gates and others, would you be kind enough to inform me of the connection between "forensic archaeology" and aircraft navigation, aircraft performance, the aerodynamics of falling bodies, weather effects on all of the above, etc., etc..?

Further, I am still waiting for your "experts" to post their work which you claim that will prove that Eric Ulis and I are full of bleep about the western bypass of Portland.  And where is the sensational news that you promised a few days ago?
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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #418 on: September 29, 2019, 08:23:58 PM »
Okay, both sides have spoken about this. the show aired long ago. lets not allow the bickering to occur here like it has on the DZ. I take some blame in that as well but my defense was getting the thread back on track. producers are here looking for new things surrounding the case. they left a contact email that anyone can utilize to discuss anything they feel should be discussed with them for any type of up and coming show about Cooper. we are here for answers, right?
 
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« Reply #419 on: September 30, 2019, 06:17:42 PM »
Comments have been removed. I asked once to let it go....not asking again.
 
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