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« Reply #375 on: January 05, 2018, 12:08:36 PM »
Do we know if the photo was hanging on the wall circa 1968 or it was taken then and put on the wall much later?  Maybe it would not have been such a big secret that the stairs could be lowered.  Anyone who was in that office, such as contractors, sales people, managers, etc could have seen that photo and/or talked with someone knowledgeable about the 727.
 

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« Reply #376 on: January 05, 2018, 02:20:48 PM »
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What better place is there to talk about naked skydivers than "The DB Cooper Show" thread?

Doesn't DropZone have a thread on this subject?

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« Reply #377 on: January 05, 2018, 02:46:38 PM »
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Do we know if the photo was hanging on the wall circa 1968 or it was taken then and put on the wall much later?  Maybe it would not have been such a big secret that the stairs could be lowered.  Anyone who was in that office, such as contractors, sales people, managers, etc could have seen that photo and/or talked with someone knowledgeable about the 727.

What photograph and/or office are you talking about? ???
 

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« Reply #378 on: January 05, 2018, 11:35:59 PM »
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Well I thought Josh and crew did a pretty good job! Congrats to everyone on this forum that had a chance to voice their ideas.

I have to get my ISP to upload the full list of particles because the Excel file is about 40 meg. There is a lot of searching to do in the particle list of this size. We hope this adds to the titanium find.

On another note one of the crew was searching google while we were filming and found a reference to the SST having the first ever CRT tube in the dashboard.  It would make sense that the chassis for that CRT might be out of titanium. Fertile ground.......

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Do you think that someone who occasionally toured a factory that was making titanium parts could have got all of those metal particles on a tie or do you think it was someone who was in the factory daily?

For example, a factory manager/engineer vs a top level executive-type.
 

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« Reply #379 on: January 05, 2018, 11:40:21 PM »
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...Am I correct in assuming that Tom is the first to ever inspect that tie in a lab in 40+ years? Where was the FBI? How do you search for somebody if you don't even know what to search for? Whose on first?     



AMEN, Georger!!!

Right!  The FBI doesn't have access to an Electron microscope?
 

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« Reply #380 on: January 05, 2018, 11:44:34 PM »
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Do we know if the photo was hanging on the wall circa 1968 or it was taken then and put on the wall much later?  Maybe it would not have been such a big secret that the stairs could be lowered.  Anyone who was in that office, such as contractors, sales people, managers, etc could have seen that photo and/or talked with someone knowledgeable about the 727.

What photograph and/or office are you talking about? ???
I can't find the message I thought I had replied to but I think Tom Kaye posted that he had received an email from someone that had worked at Boeing and they remember a photo on a hallway wall that showed an airdrop being done from a 727 in 1968.

I wasn't clear from the post if he was saying that the photo was actually on the wall in 1968 though.
 

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« Reply #381 on: January 05, 2018, 11:49:57 PM »
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...Am I correct in assuming that Tom is the first to ever inspect that tie in a lab in 40+ years? Where was the FBI? How do you search for somebody if you don't even know what to search for? Whose on first?     



AMEN, Georger!!!

Right!  The FBI doesn't have access to an Electron microscope?

You are posting over multiple threads on multiple topics - impossible to tie it all together or keep track of!

Yes. The FBI has an electron microscope. 

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« Reply #382 on: January 06, 2018, 12:44:34 AM »
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Interesting tidbit just came in. I thought you guys would like this info.

"I used to work for Boeing Flight test. In the hall ways of the 3-390 bldg there is a photo of a package drop test on a 727. Two men are seen pushing a package out the aft stair doors. This photo was taken in 1968. Every time I walked past it I couldnt help think that DB was part of that test team. Knowing that your looking for someone with exposure to the sonic program, flight test would be where I would start my search.  I cant find the photo right now but it gives credence to your theory. We all know they used the door in Laos but this test was prior to that time period.

Good Luck!
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Here you go, Titanium.
 
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« Reply #383 on: January 06, 2018, 04:27:35 AM »
Sailshaw has talked about the 727 testing at Boeing's Moses Lake facility in the pre-Norjak period. He could be a source for you to pursue.
 

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« Reply #384 on: January 06, 2018, 04:33:05 AM »
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Yes. The FBI has an electron microscope.


Tom Kaye told me that the FBI got their first electron microscope in 1972. Then I asked him if he knew if, and to what degree, the Bureau had examined the tie - then or in the current era - and Tom said, "Oh give 'em a break." That ended the conversation.

So the bigger question still exists: what did the FBI do when Tom and the Citizen Sleuths found the titanium in circa 2009. Did they start digging into the Ti issue? Further, what was the FBI's response when the Travel Channel kicked in the bucks to find the 100,000 rare earth metals and other exotic particles in 2016?

I have been reluctant to ask Ayn Dietrich Williams because she has already stated that the Bureau has examined all known pieces of evidence, and I am too discouraged by her responses to indulge in another round of hyperbole. But I doubt the FBI ever dug into the tie and its particles. I know that people who have had regular contact with Norjak investigators, such as Galen, have never spoken about any FBI examination of the tie and the particles - other than DNA stuff.
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« Reply #385 on: January 06, 2018, 01:13:08 PM »
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Yes. The FBI has an electron microscope.


Tom Kaye told me that the FBI got their first electron microscope in 1972. Then I asked him if he knew if, and to what degree, the Bureau had examined the tie - then or in the current era - and Tom said, "Oh give 'em a break." That ended the conversation.

So the bigger question still exists: what did the FBI do when Tom and the Citizen Sleuths found the titanium in circa 2009. Did they start digging into the Ti issue? Further, what was the FBI's response when the Travel Channel kicked in the bucks to find the 100,000 rare earth metals and other exotic particles in 2016?

I have been reluctant to ask Ayn Dietrich Williams because she has already stated that the Bureau has examined all known pieces of evidence, and I am too discouraged by her responses to indulge in another round of hyperbole. But I doubt the FBI ever dug into the tie and its particles. I know that people who have had regular contact with Norjak investigators, such as Galen, have never spoken about any FBI examination of the tie and the particles - other than DNA stuff.
"Oh give 'em a break." That ended the conversation.

In addition to that - get your facts straight!

In the first place, asking when 'the FBI got their first electron microscope' is a little like asking when the Indians got their first horse! Never mind all of the accoutrements and historical realities of owning and riding horses or riding anything going back to the Stone Age!

It is like you calling me your "associate in DB Cooper investigation" on your website when in fact we are not! Get your facts straight! Stop living off of people.  :nono:
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« Reply #386 on: January 06, 2018, 05:12:41 PM »
So, how would you like me to characterize you and our relationship when I am discussing our visits to Chibougamou, Quebec?

Also, you challenge me to get my facts straight. What facts did I get wrong? You didn't mention any in your diatribe.
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« Reply #387 on: January 06, 2018, 05:17:05 PM »
Update on Tom Colbert

Tom is pounding the pavement HARD on Rackstraw these days. I hear from a reporter that he is hounding the Oregonian to follow his investigation into Rackstraw, and KING 5-TV in Seattle posted a short blurb on Colbert and Rackstraw today:

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In the broadcast they state that Colbert has deciphered the numbers in a letter (Letter #5 presumably) and linked them to Rackstraw's unit in Vietnam.

However, KING 5 TV did not say what the exact link was, nor did they specify the numbers.
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« Reply #388 on: January 06, 2018, 05:38:17 PM »
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So, how would you like me to characterize you and our relationship when I am discussing our visits to Chibougamou, Quebec?

Also, you challenge me to get my facts straight. What facts did I get wrong? You didn't mention any in your diatribe.

Associate defined: a partner or colleague in business or at work. We are not colleagues in any sense. We are only here by accident and it sure as hell is not my choice!

our visits to Chibougamou ?  our visits to Earth? your visits to Earth vs my visits to Earth? Diatribe no. Just facts.
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« Reply #389 on: January 06, 2018, 05:52:36 PM »
I thought we were associated in the sense that we post here together, and have done so for many years. I think your definition of "associate" is a bit too strict and one-dimensional.

But, more to the point: how would you like me to describe you? If not "associate," then what?