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« Reply #345 on: October 24, 2017, 09:29:46 PM »
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I didn't get any error codes but the posts all stop around October 2 and start again on October 23. I'm kind of confused by that. Anyone else have these issues?


This should answer everyone's questions.....

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Now, the server has backup files, but not for everyday. the forum itself can be restored to find the missing files, but we will loose anything past the new backup. I think it's best to leave it as it is. I don't think a lot is missing that is vital?
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« Reply #346 on: October 24, 2017, 10:09:51 PM »
does anyone have bill mitchells email address

or can contact him for me
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #347 on: October 24, 2017, 10:14:57 PM »
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does anyone have bill mitchells email address

or can contact him for me

Not me. I wish I had his address, though.
 

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« Reply #348 on: October 24, 2017, 10:46:24 PM »
in reply to bruce

didnt i email you his address
 

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« Reply #349 on: October 25, 2017, 01:53:08 AM »
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didnt i email you his address

Nope.
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #350 on: November 26, 2017, 08:03:06 AM »
So last night I rewatched the Expedition Unknown episode and I discovered two things:

1. 50 beers is a lot of beer

2. The Gary Hall "snippet" was interesting. At first I thought they just threw it in there so they could have him go skydiving (they probably did) but when I rewatched it, I saw they described him as an "author." So that got me thinking; what did he write? So I did some old fashioned internet searching and found an article that he wrote. After reading it; it sort of filled in the gaps to his theory and more importantly to me; explained how he arrived at those conclusions.

   Now I'm not saying that I believe it all but I did find it quite interesting. When I looked on the forum, I didn't see it anywhere or anyone referencing it. If they did or it's on here; apologies to you and if I'm ever in your state and someone gives me 50 beers; I'm gladly share them with you!  :chr2:

   I've included the link below if anyone wants to check it out!


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« Reply #351 on: November 26, 2017, 09:08:34 AM »
he has a couple problems with his theory. I sent him an email a while back. he wasn't aware of the missing D rings on the harness, and believes the money was planted. he didn't realize there were two issues with the stairs, not just one of him on the stairs. the pressure bump was when the stairs retract back up. Cooper would of had to have fooled them twice. I believe they would have notice he was on the stairs (again) while approaching Reno. I believe the FBI had the area pretty well covered.

part of his email

" I believe "DB Cooper" planted the money in the river bed (during late 1970's) as a way to "toy" with law enforcement and to spark media interest in the case once again."

Personally, I think it's odd that someone could believe this is a good way to "Toy" with them when the money might not of ever been found. the best way to "toy" with them would be sending them a 20 dollar bill, and signing the name Dan Cooper and not DB Cooper..
 

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« Reply #352 on: November 26, 2017, 09:20:21 AM »
Yep, I agree with you my friend! That's what I mean by not agreeing with everything he said and just posting the link because it filled in some of the gaps he left open on the show.
 

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« Reply #353 on: November 26, 2017, 09:23:04 AM »
The show was going to use me and my simulator in the show, but this guy got me bumped off the show since Josh wanted to skydive which I can appreciate. that's show biz, as they say  :rofl:
 

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« Reply #354 on: November 26, 2017, 01:55:32 PM »
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Well I thought Josh and crew did a pretty good job! Congrats to everyone on this forum that had a chance to voice their ideas.

I have to get my ISP to upload the full list of particles because the Excel file is about 40 meg. There is a lot of searching to do in the particle list of this size. We hope this adds to the titanium find.

On another note one of the crew was searching google while we were filming and found a reference to the SST having the first ever CRT tube in the dashboard.  It would make sense that the chassis for that CRT might be out of titanium. Fertile ground.......

Tom Kaye

Some types of titanium are also used in the paint for high speed aircraft and space craft.  Further, I understand that titanium can also be found in foods.

Everyone is assuming the tie and Cooper shared life together. That the tie was Cooper's tie and particles on the tie document Cooper's life. But, what if the tie came out of a scrap bin at a recycling center?  Gray is attacking Cooper's appearance and description saying that Gregory's description is accurate and Cooper looked 'disheveled'.  Maybe he spent the night before the hijacking in the alley around the corner from the recycling center? Because there is literally nothing that ties the tie to Cooper so far, except for Tom's assumption.  :))


what I think Gray is doing, is what many do. they rely too much on passenger descriptions. I don't think it was a point to hide that certain description as much as they used it for weight, which didn't weight in very well on the conclusion of Cooper's description.

Gray always has focused on the a-typical. The unusual. It gets ratings and Gray is a salesman first and foremost looking for something unusual to peddle. That is why he jumped at the Christiansen idea. He came away saying privately there was no way Kenny was Cooper, but Gray avoided saying that publicly because he did not want to bothch the opportunity for 'a sale'! As his article became more widely known (even noteworthy) he still failed to tell the truth.

This avoidance of telling the whole story has tainted Gray's work to this day. There are numerous examples of this. The Gregory notes may be another example. 'Two types of silver' was another example. His publishing of Tom's work, another example. His failure to tell the whole story about Kenny's relationships, another example.

Gregory's description is so different right down to the color of Cooper's suit coat, how could the people closest to Cooper have missed that!? You almost have to assume they were blind! Carr never did address this basic problem. Its problems like this created by Gray (and Gregory) that has opened the door to conspiracy theorists ... right down to one guy claiming the Laws of physical optics are different in the cabins of airplanes! (Blevins)

I know for a fact Gray plays with the truth. I became the subject of that personally! Gray uses people. To his own advantage as he judges that at any given point in time. He thinks it will never come back to haunt him. Gray is an opportunist.       
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« Reply #355 on: November 26, 2017, 02:16:23 PM »
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he has a couple problems with his theory. I sent him an email a while back. he wasn't aware of the missing D rings on the harness, and believes the money was planted. he didn't realize there were two issues with the stairs, not just one of him on the stairs. the pressure bump was when the stairs retract back up. Cooper would of had to have fooled them twice. I believe they would have notice he was on the stairs (again) while approaching Reno. I believe the FBI had the area pretty well covered.

part of his email

" I believe "DB Cooper" planted the money in the river bed (during late 1970's) as a way to "toy" with law enforcement and to spark media interest in the case once again."

Personally, I think it's odd that someone could believe this is a good way to "Toy" with them when the money might not of ever been found. the best way to "toy" with them would be sending them a 20 dollar bill, and signing the name Dan Cooper and not DB Cooper..

Hall also has a number of other problems, but those should be obvious to most of the people on this site.

One of his claims that won't hold water is that the DC-9 cannot be jumped from a rear door.  A few years ago a lady who was a skydiver in the early years of the sport told me that she (and presumably a number of other jumpers) had jumped from the rear door of a DC-9 that was at 20,000 feet.  She said that she didn't have any problems during the exit or free fall until she was at about 10,000 feet, where she started tumbling.

But she survived.  She also was a judge at the 1974 Skydiving Nationals in Oklahoma.  And at one point she was operating three jump zones.
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #356 on: November 26, 2017, 03:32:22 PM »
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So last night I rewatched the Expedition Unknown episode and I discovered two things:

1. 50 beers is a lot of beer

2. The Gary Hall "snippet" was interesting. At first I thought they just threw it in there so they could have him go skydiving (they probably did) but when I rewatched it, I saw they described him as an "author." So that got me thinking; what did he write? So I did some old fashioned internet searching and found an article that he wrote. After reading it; it sort of filled in the gaps to his theory and more importantly to me; explained how he arrived at those conclusions.

   Now I'm not saying that I believe it all but I did find it quite interesting. When I looked on the forum, I didn't see it anywhere or anyone referencing it. If they did or it's on here; apologies to you and if I'm ever in your state and someone gives me 50 beers; I'm gladly share them with you!  :chr2:

   I've included the link below if anyone wants to check it out!


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Gary Hall was quite active in the Cooper community for a while - and it got him on TV. I know that Gary emailed me several times, and I believed he posted here and at the Mountain News-WA. But he was resolute in his Cooper perspectives and unable to discuss them in any substantive way with me.

Eventually, he gave up on me converting to his faith. I found him to be like a Mormon missionary - intense for fifteen minutes, but when they see they aren't making any inroads they walk away, and don't ever look back.

Further, I thought the Josh Gates skydive into Reno sagebrush detracted from the show. It seemed like he was using the DB Cooper story to take a jump from an airplane. The visuals sure made good TV, but lousy storytelling to follow the initial segment of the show, which was T-Bar and the money. I wish EU had stayed with the flight path issues, R99's theories, inconsistencies in federal docs, etc., and let Josh jump in another episode of EU.

If Josh really wanted to explore the Unknown, I would have loved to see him recapitulate the Cooper jump. Can you imagine a whole episode of skydivers jumping into LZ-A and watching their experiences unfold? Now that would make fascinating TV.
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« Reply #357 on: November 26, 2017, 04:35:51 PM »
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Well I thought Josh and crew did a pretty good job! Congrats to everyone on this forum that had a chance to voice their ideas.

I have to get my ISP to upload the full list of particles because the Excel file is about 40 meg. There is a lot of searching to do in the particle list of this size. We hope this adds to the titanium find.

On another note one of the crew was searching google while we were filming and found a reference to the SST having the first ever CRT tube in the dashboard.  It would make sense that the chassis for that CRT might be out of titanium. Fertile ground.......

Tom Kaye

Some types of titanium are also used in the paint for high speed aircraft and space craft.  Further, I understand that titanium can also be found in foods.

Everyone is assuming the tie and Cooper shared life together. That the tie was Cooper's tie and particles on the tie document Cooper's life. But, what if the tie came out of a scrap bin at a recycling center?  Gray is attacking Cooper's appearance and description saying that Gregory's description is accurate and Cooper looked 'disheveled'.  Maybe he spent the night before the hijacking in the alley around the corner from the recycling center? Because there is literally nothing that ties the tie to Cooper so far, except for Tom's assumption.  :))


what I think Gray is doing, is what many do. they rely too much on passenger descriptions. I don't think it was a point to hide that certain description as much as they used it for weight, which didn't weight in very well on the conclusion of Cooper's description.

Gray always has focused on the a-typical. The unusual. It gets ratings and Gray is a salesman first and foremost looking for something unusual to peddle. That is why he jumped at the Christiansen idea. He came away saying privately there was no way Kenny was Cooper, but Gray avoided saying that publicly because he did not want to bothch the opportunity for 'a sale'! As his article became more widely known (even noteworthy) he still failed to tell the truth.

This avoidance of telling the whole story has tainted Gray's work to this day. There are numerous examples of this. The Gregory notes may be another example. 'Two types of silver' was another example. His publishing of Tom's work, another example. His failure to tell the whole story about Kenny's relationships, another example.

Gregory's description is so different right down to the color of Cooper's suit coat, how could the people closest to Cooper have missed that!? You almost have to assume they were blind! Carr never did address this basic problem. Its problems like this created by Gray (and Gregory) that has opened the door to conspiracy theorists ... right down to one guy claiming the Laws of physical optics are different in the cabins of airplanes! (Blevins)

I know for a fact Gray plays with the truth. I became the subject of that personally! Gray uses people. To his own advantage as he judges that at any given point in time. He thinks it will never come back to haunt him. Gray is an opportunist.     


My gut feeling about Gray matches up pretty close to your description, Georger.  Not telling the whole truth because it just won't get the attention....I've thought that thought too about GG.
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« Reply #358 on: November 26, 2017, 04:41:11 PM »
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Gregory's description is so different right down to the color of Cooper's suit coat, how could the people closest to Cooper have missed that!? You almost have to assume they were blind! Carr never did address this basic problem. Its problems like this created by Gray (and Gregory) that has opened the door to conspiracy theorists ... right down to one guy claiming the Laws of physical optics are different in the cabins of airplanes! (Blevins)

It's basically one of the reasons the FBI didn't put a lot of weight into the passengers descriptions. when you really don't pay much attention to a person it's kind of hard to give a realistic description.

who was at Thanksgiving in 1976, and what were they wearing? not many will know, unless it's about DB Cooper. then the memory is solid..

personally, I think Mitchell could be interviewed by Cooper and not have a clue. I think his memory has faded the most..
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« Reply #359 on: November 26, 2017, 04:47:07 PM »
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So last night I rewatched the Expedition Unknown episode and I discovered two things:

1. 50 beers is a lot of beer

2. The Gary Hall "snippet" was interesting. At first I thought they just threw it in there so they could have him go skydiving (they probably did) but when I rewatched it, I saw they described him as an "author." So that got me thinking; what did he write? So I did some old fashioned internet searching and found an article that he wrote. After reading it; it sort of filled in the gaps to his theory and more importantly to me; explained how he arrived at those conclusions.

   Now I'm not saying that I believe it all but I did find it quite interesting. When I looked on the forum, I didn't see it anywhere or anyone referencing it. If they did or it's on here; apologies to you and if I'm ever in your state and someone gives me 50 beers; I'm gladly share them with you!  :chr2:

   I've included the link below if anyone wants to check it out!


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Further, I thought the Josh Gates skydive into Reno sagebrush detracted from the show. It seemed like he was using the DB Cooper story to take a jump from an airplane. The visuals sure made good TV, but lousy storytelling to follow the initial segment of the show, which was T-Bar and the money. I wish EU had stayed with the flight path issues, R99's theories, inconsistencies in federal docs, etc., and let Josh jump in another episode of EU.

If Josh really wanted to explore the Unknown, I would have loved to see him recapitulate the Cooper jump. Can you imagine a whole episode of skydivers jumping into LZ-A and watching their experiences unfold? Now that would make fascinating TV.

Well actually Bruce, the TC program wasn't just about Tina Bar and the money -- that was an important little piece of the puzzle, but there was treatment of the flight path, Ariel, and other important points of the case.  The whole story didn't just focus on the little part you played.  That's probably a traumatic, earth-shattering revelation for you.  Oh well, sometimes you just gotta cowboy up.

You're not going to believe this, but I really like your idea in that last paragraph.  Why have we not tried to duplicate the jump, right down to the last detail?  The FBI put the kabosh on that from the outset.  Why not try several possible, different jumps/scenarios and let the skydivers tell us what they experienced?  That would be fascinating TV and it just might help us find out some things we've wondered about for over 40 years.  We might learn something new and enlightening, it just might nail down some of the known unknowns, once and for all.

Meyer