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« Reply #330 on: October 02, 2017, 05:20:59 PM »
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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #331 on: October 02, 2017, 06:46:01 PM »
Hal Williams also said the sketch was inaccurate

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« Reply #332 on: October 02, 2017, 08:58:36 PM »
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i did not know that

Go with Tina's description,  she sat next to the guy for 5 hours.  No one would know better than her.
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« Reply #333 on: October 02, 2017, 09:09:21 PM »
In reply to meyerlouie do you think Harold fritzler could fit Tina's description

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #334 on: October 04, 2017, 12:16:28 AM »
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...I'm writing a research paper about Cooper and i was interested if there were any evidence about this idea out there that i couldn't find...


Sounds interesting, Barefootin'. Please keep us posted.

As for raw nerves, nah, don't worry. You didn't even tickle anything close to tender tissue let alone a nerve ending. After ten years researching in Cooper World and posting in places like this Forum and the DZ, I am virtually bullet-proof, emotionally. Although Georger does manage to get me cranky from time-to-time.
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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #335 on: October 04, 2017, 12:43:59 AM »
Greetings Dovid, and welcome to the Forum.

It's good to see you are bringing your ENTHUSIAM to this forum - building upon the many emails and Tektronix musings that you have sent me.

As I have said before, similarity to any of the sketches of DB Cooper is merely a starting point in determining a suspect. It's basically a situation where we can say: "Well, this is an interesting guy because he looks like Composite A, B, Florence's 1980 rendering, a composite sketch by Sluggo's friend Ryan, or the aged sketches provided by the latter. Let's take a closer look at him."

It appears you have commenced that closer look, with looking at parachuting experience, etc. Being part of the 101st Airborne is another good start, but that is not definitive, either. It is simply another step. What we need next is a guy with titanium and rare earth minerals on his tie who also knew how to jump out of a 727 on the morning of November 24, 1971 before DB Cooper taught everyone else on the planet.

As for witnesses, they are not too reliable at this point. Bill Mitchell says he doesn't remember too much and his own credibility is not definitive, either.

Tina is highly selective and her interview with the Eugene Weekly in 2012 is suspect, in my view. Yes, she looked wonderful and credible on the HC docu, but that whole production is suspicious, too, in my opinion for it served too many half-hidden agendas, such as the FBI closing the case. Another aspect of the HC production is how non-enthusiastic the LMNO/HC group was to assisting any further investigation of the elements they brought forward, such as talking in depth with Tom Fuentes about the FBI losing evidence, botching the fingerprints, failure to determine the flight path, and their lack of any substantive investigation of the titanium and tie particles, etc.

Florence is also suspect. She refuses any direct communication with anyone at this point - I'm not even sure the HC people were able to get through to her. Gray was able, prior to 2011, but do you believe his report that Flo told him that the pix of Kenny Christiansen was the "closest resemblance to the skyjacker of anything she has seen," (or words to that effect). I don't believe that is truthful. It may be, but there is no way to confirm it since Flo won't talk. Plus, GG has deceived me in other ways, such as giving me the wrong phone number to Mitchell. (It was the wrong Bill Mitchell.) Further, Bill says he doesn't remember talking to Geoffrey, yet GG attributes plenty to him in his book.
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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #336 on: October 04, 2017, 06:06:47 AM »
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...I'm writing a research paper about Cooper and i was interested if there were any evidence about this idea out there that i couldn't find...


Sounds interesting, Barefootin'. Please keep us posted.

Will do that Bruce!
 

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« Reply #337 on: October 04, 2017, 09:03:09 AM »
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why is florence suspect because she doesnt want to talk to anyone

is she obligated to talk to anyone

 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #338 on: October 23, 2017, 05:37:52 PM »
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why is florence suspect because she doesnt want to talk to anyone

is she obligated to talk to anyone

Florence is not suspect in my view just because she refuses to talk with anyone. I call that a "red flag of warning." She is suspect for other, more compelling reasons:

1. She is the only one who says she saw Cooper's eyes. Deep, penetrating brown. But others claim Cooper put his sunglasses on before boarding the plane.

2. She was agitated during the hijacking and continued to be in turmoil long afterwards. That suggests that her memories and perceptions may have been colored by fear.

3. Her independent sketch of DB Cooper is in stark contrast to the other sketches.

4. Her announcement to Gray that Kenny C looked the closest to the hijacker than any other pix she had seen has not been confirmed by anyone else. It makes both Flo and GG suspect.

5. The accounts of the hijacking from the flight attendants are in conflict with statements from the passengers.

Now being suspect does necessarily mean that someone is wrong, or their statements incorrect. "Suspect" means that the information is in question and needs further analysis and corroboration.

Yes, I believe that Florence - and all the principals in the hijacking - have an obligation to talk about Norjak with responsible journalists in some kind of substantive fashion. I think it is a duty of citizenship to pursue justice.

That said, I acknowledge that dealing with my colleagues and I is not fun for most people. In those cases, such individuals should hire a publicist, or enlist a friend or family member who can provide answers and information. I have repeatedly offered my services to the Mucklow family free of charge to act as their publicist. All I ask is two hours to talk privately with Tina and get the full story.
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« Reply #339 on: October 24, 2017, 08:36:39 AM »
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in reply to bruce


why is florence suspect because she doesnt want to talk to anyone

is she obligated to talk to anyone

Florence is not suspect in my view just because she refuses to talk with anyone. I call that a "red flag of warning." She is suspect for other, more compelling reasons:

1. She is the only one who says she saw Cooper's eyes. Deep, penetrating brown. But others claim Cooper put his sunglasses on before boarding the plane.

2. She was agitated during the hijacking and continued to be in turmoil long afterwards. That suggests that her memories and perceptions may have been colored by fear.

3. Her independent sketch of DB Cooper is in stark contrast to the other sketches.

4. Her announcement to Gray that Kenny C looked the closest to the hijacker than any other pix she had seen has not been confirmed by anyone else. It makes both Flo and GG suspect.

5. The accounts of the hijacking from the flight attendants are in conflict with statements from the passengers.

Now being suspect does necessarily mean that someone is wrong, or their statements incorrect. "Suspect" means that the information is in question and needs further analysis and corroboration.

Yes, I believe that Florence - and all the principals in the hijacking - have an obligation to talk about Norjak with responsible journalists in some kind of substantive fashion. I think it is a duty of citizenship to pursue justice.

That said, I acknowledge that dealing with my colleagues and I is not fun for most people. In those cases, such individuals should hire a publicist, or enlist a friend or family member who can provide answers and information. I have repeatedly offered my services to the Mucklow family free of charge to act as their publicist. All I ask is two hours to talk privately with Tina and get the full story.

... and Cossey is a liar.

Maybe everybody lied - about something!

Throw the whole case out. Find another hobby.
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« Reply #340 on: October 24, 2017, 01:06:25 PM »
Just a heads up guys..the forum appears to have some glitches in it. It told me I was banned this morning....if you see this, just wait and it should correct itself. Nobody is being banned. Georger says we have post issues as well. Once I return home I will try and resolve the problem...
 
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« Reply #341 on: October 24, 2017, 03:21:22 PM »
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Just a heads up guys..the forum appears to have some glitches in it. It told me I was banned this morning....if you see this, just wait and it should correct itself. Nobody is being banned. Georger says we have post issues as well. Once I return home I will try and resolve the problem...

I think its just a glitch - messages I got last night were 'server busy' ? Anyone else get that last night? It has happened before... in 30 mins it was back up.

TC has asked for a copy of my FBI files sorted index (by subject) - I told Tom no problem and I will get Shutter a copy also, for the vault. As new pdfs arrive I will add them to the list. Still sorting out duplication and cleaning each file! Give me about a week to make sure each file is clean with no duplication. 
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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #342 on: October 24, 2017, 05:21:42 PM »
I had server problems as well. The glitches seemed to come and go - sometimes I could access the Forum, other times not.
 

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« Reply #343 on: October 24, 2017, 06:54:53 PM »
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I had server problems as well. The glitches seemed to come and go - sometimes I could access the Forum, other times not.

did you get a HTTP error?

I was actually banned  C:-) couldn't sign on..
 

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« Reply #344 on: October 24, 2017, 07:34:32 PM »
I didn't get any error codes but the posts all stop around October 2 and start again on October 23. I'm kind of confused by that. Anyone else have these issues?