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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #315 on: October 02, 2017, 04:12:18 AM »
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I have heard, and have been asked numerous times if Bill Rataczak was in on the caper, along with Tina Mucklow. I have never heard that Scotty has been implicated by anyone - no matter how strong the winds of the Cooper Vortex blow.

I see no evidence that any of the crew were accomplices in the skyjacking. Further, the behavior of the crew during and after the hijacking is compelling evidence to me that they were not involved in any manner. I recommend that you watch some of the YouTube videos of CBS TV interviews with Tina afterwards to see her compassion and concern for the passengers, and her acknowledgement of the dangers DBC presented.

Along those lines, I truly commiserate with Tina on how many scenarios have been put forward by pundits on how she assisted DBC, fell in love with him, had sex with him, got a pay-off later, was visited by him in Gresham, etc. That stuff really turns my stomach, and when I think of what she has had to endure from those folks I have a degree of sympathy for how she treats me and other investigators. One of the biggest Norjak mysteries I have stumbled upon is how Jo Weber has been embraced by the Dormuths despite some of the things she claims about Duane and Tina.

The bigger question, and ultimately a more interesting one, is why some people persist in perceiving the crew as co-conspirators. It speaks to a deep cynicism and mistrust, imho.

Can you speak to any of this, Barefootin'?

I can speak. I was merely curious about all different alleys of Coopers possible ways of getting away with what he did. I'm writing a research paper about Cooper and i was interested if there were any evidence about this idea out there that i couldn't find. I never really thought about Mucklow being involved but had had thoughts about Rataczak being involved what with how his testimony came out and then of course, pure gut feeling. I don't like using consipracy theories to solve ANY mystery, no matter how intriuging. I do however, enjoy reading them. People who use theories to "solve" mysteries are very low in my opinion. Sorry if i hit any nerves with that. I was just interested.
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #316 on: October 02, 2017, 10:20:32 AM »
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I have heard, and have been asked numerous times if Bill Rataczak was in on the caper, along with Tina Mucklow. I have never heard that Scotty has been implicated by anyone - no matter how strong the winds of the Cooper Vortex blow.

I see no evidence that any of the crew were accomplices in the skyjacking. Further, the behavior of the crew during and after the hijacking is compelling evidence to me that they were not involved in any manner. I recommend that you watch some of the YouTube videos of CBS TV interviews with Tina afterwards to see her compassion and concern for the passengers, and her acknowledgement of the dangers DBC presented.

Along those lines, I truly commiserate with Tina on how many scenarios have been put forward by pundits on how she assisted DBC, fell in love with him, had sex with him, got a pay-off later, was visited by him in Gresham, etc. That stuff really turns my stomach, and when I think of what she has had to endure from those folks I have a degree of sympathy for how she treats me and other investigators. One of the biggest Norjak mysteries I have stumbled upon is how Jo Weber has been embraced by the Dormuths despite some of the things she claims about Duane and Tina.

The bigger question, and ultimately a more interesting one, is why some people persist in perceiving the crew as co-conspirators. It speaks to a deep cynicism and mistrust, imho.

Can you speak to any of this, Barefootin'?

I can speak. I was merely curious about all different alleys of Coopers possible ways of getting away with what he did. I'm writing a research paper about Cooper and i was interested if there were any evidence about this idea out there that i couldn't find. I never really thought about Mucklow being involved but had had thoughts about Rataczak being involved what with how his testimony came out and then of course, pure gut feeling. I don't like using consipracy theories to solve ANY mystery, no matter how intriuging. I do however, enjoy reading them. People who use theories to "solve" mysteries are very low in my opinion. Sorry if i hit any nerves with that. I was just interested.



A research paper for college?!?!?!

Sorry that's an inside joke for two...eh Bruce?!
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #317 on: October 02, 2017, 01:33:04 PM »
Barefoot wrote: "I don't like using conspiracy theories to solve ANY mystery, no matter how intriuging. I do however, enjoy reading them. People who use theories to "solve" mysteries are very low in my opinion. "

+1.

I too enjoy reading conspiracy theories, as entertainment not actual crime mystery solutions. The 911 conspiracy folks have taken things to a new level. Fake airliners carrying external explosive payloads. Nano Thermite. Cruise missiles. Holgraphic projections.

There is no Norjack conspiracy. An unknown guy skyjacked a plane and jumped out with the loot. Period. That's my skeptical opinion. The real mystery is why we cannot figure out who he was. Why has it proven so damned difficult?

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #318 on: October 02, 2017, 01:52:54 PM »
attention 377

o you think harold waldemar fritzler in the attached picture could be db cooper

how many people who worked at tektronix resemble florence's 1988 unsolved mysteries sketch

i believe people in general smoked more often but look at the link below in the upper right hand corner it says fritzler

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he was in the 491st bombardment group based at mcchord

he lived in the midwest until he was about 14

carol in the obituary also says he was part of the famous 101st airborne

i believe tektronix did manufacture cathode ray tubes in 1971

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Absolutely, Fritzler looks like the Cooper sketches,especially the brow ridge structure.... I'd say he runs second to James Klansnic, a dead ringer if there ever was one...    but yes.  :bravo:
 

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« Reply #319 on: October 02, 2017, 02:19:31 PM »
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attention 377

o you think harold waldemar fritzler in the attached picture could be db cooper

how many people who worked at tektronix resemble florence's 1988 unsolved mysteries sketch

i believe people in general smoked more often but look at the link below in the upper right hand corner it says fritzler

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Absolutely, Fritzler looks like the Cooper sketches,especially the brow ridge structure.... I'd say he runs second to James Klansnic, a dead ringer if there ever was one...    but yes.  :bravo:

OMG THAT'S HIM!
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #320 on: October 02, 2017, 02:21:52 PM »
please forgive me

but are you being serious

i hope i am not offending you
 

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« Reply #321 on: October 02, 2017, 04:04:23 PM »
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please forgive me

but are you being serious

i hope i am not offending you

Disregard the sarcasm coming from these "experts" here... experts, that is, in a no solve.  Keep at you search, Dov.  And if you offended anyone, well, imagine putting all smart alecs here in a bag, and if you hit the bag with the stick, whoever gets hit, would likely have deserved it.   :rofl:
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« Reply #322 on: October 02, 2017, 04:04:37 PM »
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but are you being serious

i hope i am not offending you

Have you ever seen Flo's approved sketch? Actually she contributed to two different sketches at two different times. The attached is from Sluggo's site.

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #323 on: October 02, 2017, 04:08:34 PM »
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i watch the unsolved mysteries episode about db cooper

 

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« Reply #324 on: October 02, 2017, 04:15:55 PM »
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i watch the unsolved mysteries episode about db cooper

Its just another unresolvable paradox. That's why hard evidence is preferred - dna etc. Because there is no way to resolve disagreement about sketches decades after the fact! That is basically why I can't get excited when people start saying 'this looks like him, that looks like him, etc etc.' Has nothing to do with sarcasm but the limitation of evidence.

The problem started with Flo almost as soon as FBI sketches started to be published -  she basically said none look like him even though she herself had contributed to the first sketches made.
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« Reply #325 on: October 02, 2017, 04:17:33 PM »
oh
 

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Re: New DB Cooper Show With Members Of This Forum
« Reply #326 on: October 02, 2017, 04:21:13 PM »
yes but in unsolved mysteries she says yeah that's it
in reference to the new sketch

 

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« Reply #327 on: October 02, 2017, 04:22:26 PM »
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oh

An additional problem is we don't know how the witnesses were deposed. What questions were they asked which resulted in sketches? Were they shown photos or models, types of faces... ? We dont know how any sketches were arrived at ... at all!
 

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« Reply #328 on: October 02, 2017, 04:24:02 PM »
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yes but in unsolved mysteries she says yeah that's it
in reference to the new sketch

well I cant vouch for the accuracy of Unsolved Mysteries, ..... who also did an early program on us! Bet you didn't know that!  Fun times - thank god they are over never to return.
 

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« Reply #329 on: October 02, 2017, 04:32:01 PM »
i did not know that