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I doubt you would get particles all over you from installing a tube screen..manufacturing, yes...

These particles are "inside" the crt - perhaps at a recycling center.

As an electrical engineer, perhaps Sailshaw has information as to what Boeing was doing with CRTs in 1971.

I would suspect that the CRT's would be pre manufactured and just wouldn't get particles all over the place.
 

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RCA testing engineer....from a video clip "how it's made TV's back in the day"
 

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Hello Everyone!

Airing tonight:  D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN!

Back this summer I reached out to a lot of you for help with a D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN on the Travel Channel.  I was impressed by the depth of knowledge of everyone on this site and grateful for everyone's generosity.  I'm happy to announce that the episode debuts this evening on the Travel Channel at 9pm.  I want to again thank everyone on here who ever answered an email or a phone call from me or or co-workers.  Specific thanks to members here: Shutter, Bruce Smith, Robert99, Georger, Meyer Louie, & Mark Meltzer (Mark's on here, I think, yes?).

I hope you all enjoy the show. And just remember, anything that you like, I'm totally responsible for (with all your help), and anything you don't–it was the Network!

Thanks again to a great community!


-Amanda Marks

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I thought it was generally well done and entertaining. What was the final result of lab analysis on the metal ring found at Tina Bar?

The Greg Hall Theory filled in the gap where all Cooper documentaries stall; at the jump. But, Cooper jumping near Reno does not explain money at Tina Bar, or did I miss that? Nope – I didn’t miss anything but this illustrates the problem. But is this possible and leaves no physical evidence in the cockpit? No swoosh, no bump, no oscillations, no blinking of door or stairs light … just a clean exit without any trace whatsoever like in the X-Files … near Reno?  Cooper letter of thanks sent to Reno the next day. This means the FBI has been withholding vital facts and lying to us all along.

New particles:  But is the tie Coopers? I do not mean: ‘did Cooper wear the tie during the hijacking?’. What I mean is ‘Was the tie part of Cooper’s actual life, for a week, a month, a lifetime wherever he went and lived’?  Answer: I dunno. And neither does anyone else I know of, but we can play like it does – that should consume another 40- years of press conferences and tv appearances.

Appearance:  What did Cooper look like? Neat well dressed or disheveled? Who is right and who is wrong? The guy with all of the FBI files is right by fiat! He’s always right. Which means I have been wasting my life for eight long years! But I really wonder what Cooper looked like? A lost Cocker Spaniel or Donald Trump? Somebody very clearly didn'tt have his or her shit together and we are expecting total morons to give us conflicting opinions about what a camel looks like - in the cabin of an airplane where all of those round lines create optical illusions of grandure in particle analysis! Robert Blevins is therefore correct! Cooper could be anyone! Did Kenny repair CRT's and SST's in his spare time using a blow torch and a hand saw?    :))
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Hello Everyone!

Airing tonight:  D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN!

Back this summer I reached out to a lot of you for help with a D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN on the Travel Channel.  I was impressed by the depth of knowledge of everyone on this site and grateful for everyone's generosity.  I'm happy to announce that the episode debuts this evening on the Travel Channel at 9pm.  I want to again thank everyone on here who ever answered an email or a phone call from me or or co-workers.  Specific thanks to members here: Shutter, Bruce Smith, Robert99, Georger, Meyer Louie, & Mark Meltzer (Mark's on here, I think, yes?).

I hope you all enjoy the show. And just remember, anything that you like, I'm totally responsible for (with all your help), and anything you don't–it was the Network!

Thanks again to a great community!


-Amanda Marks

Travel Channel Production:

I thought it was generally well done and entertaining. What was the final result of lab analysis on the metal ring found at Tina Bar?

The Greg Hall Theory filled in the gap where all Cooper documentaries stall; at the jump. But, Cooper jumping near Reno does not explain money at Tina Bar, or did I miss that? Nope – I didn’t miss anything but this illustrates the problem. But is this possible and leaves no physical evidence in the cockpit? No swoosh, no bump, no oscillations, no blinking of door or stairs light … just a clean exit without any trace whatsoever like in the X-Files … near Reno?  Cooper letter of thanks sent to Reno the next day. This means the FBI has been withholding vital facts and lying to us all along.

New particles:  But is the tie Coopers? I do not mean: ‘did Cooper wear the tie during the hijacking?’. What I mean is ‘Was the tie part of Cooper’s actual life, for a week, a month, a lifetime wherever he went and lived’?  Answer: I dunno. And neither does anyone else I know of, but we can play like it does – that should consume another 40- years of press conferences and tv appearances.

Appearance:  What did Cooper look like? Neat well dressed or disheveled? Who is right and who is wrong? The guy with all of the FBI files is right by fiat! He’s always right. Which means I have been wasting my life for eight long years! But I really wonder what Cooper looked like? A lost Cocker Spaniel or Donald Trump?

I also enjoyed the program, especially the parachute jump by Josh Gates.  His reaction was typical of most people making their first jump.  If Gates has the risk-taking gene (or "Warrior Gene"), then he is probably already shopping for his own parachute rig.  And 377 is probably advising him on the subject. ;D
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Hello Everyone!

Airing tonight:  D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN!

Back this summer I reached out to a lot of you for help with a D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN on the Travel Channel.  I was impressed by the depth of knowledge of everyone on this site and grateful for everyone's generosity.  I'm happy to announce that the episode debuts this evening on the Travel Channel at 9pm.  I want to again thank everyone on here who ever answered an email or a phone call from me or or co-workers.  Specific thanks to members here: Shutter, Bruce Smith, Robert99, Georger, Meyer Louie, & Mark Meltzer (Mark's on here, I think, yes?).

I hope you all enjoy the show. And just remember, anything that you like, I'm totally responsible for (with all your help), and anything you don't–it was the Network!

Thanks again to a great community!


-Amanda Marks

Travel Channel Production:

I thought it was generally well done and entertaining. What was the final result of lab analysis on the metal ring found at Tina Bar?

The Greg Hall Theory filled in the gap where all Cooper documentaries stall; at the jump. But, Cooper jumping near Reno does not explain money at Tina Bar, or did I miss that? Nope – I didn’t miss anything but this illustrates the problem. But is this possible and leaves no physical evidence in the cockpit? No swoosh, no bump, no oscillations, no blinking of door or stairs light … just a clean exit without any trace whatsoever like in the X-Files … near Reno?  Cooper letter of thanks sent to Reno the next day. This means the FBI has been withholding vital facts and lying to us all along.

New particles:  But is the tie Coopers? I do not mean: ‘did Cooper wear the tie during the hijacking?’. What I mean is ‘Was the tie part of Cooper’s actual life, for a week, a month, a lifetime wherever he went and lived’?  Answer: I dunno. And neither does anyone else I know of, but we can play like it does – that should consume another 40- years of press conferences and tv appearances.

Appearance:  What did Cooper look like? Neat well dressed or disheveled? Who is right and who is wrong? The guy with all of the FBI files is right by fiat! He’s always right. Which means I have been wasting my life for eight long years! But I really wonder what Cooper looked like? A lost Cocker Spaniel or Donald Trump?

I also enjoyed the program, especially the parachute jump by Josh Gates.  His reaction was typical of most people making their first jump.  If Gates has the risk-taking gene (or "Warrior Gene"), then he is probably already shopping for his own parachute rig.  And 377 is probably advising him on the subject. ;D

His schedule must defy belief - he did a good job. I liked you guys out there at Tina Bar. Congrats!

Did analysis on the found metal ring ever come back?
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Hello Everyone!

Airing tonight:  D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN!

Back this summer I reached out to a lot of you for help with a D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN on the Travel Channel.  I was impressed by the depth of knowledge of everyone on this site and grateful for everyone's generosity.  I'm happy to announce that the episode debuts this evening on the Travel Channel at 9pm.  I want to again thank everyone on here who ever answered an email or a phone call from me or or co-workers.  Specific thanks to members here: Shutter, Bruce Smith, Robert99, Georger, Meyer Louie, & Mark Meltzer (Mark's on here, I think, yes?).

I hope you all enjoy the show. And just remember, anything that you like, I'm totally responsible for (with all your help), and anything you don't–it was the Network!

Thanks again to a great community!


-Amanda Marks

Travel Channel Production:

I thought it was generally well done and entertaining. What was the final result of lab analysis on the metal ring found at Tina Bar?

The Greg Hall Theory filled in the gap where all Cooper documentaries stall; at the jump. But, Cooper jumping near Reno does not explain money at Tina Bar, or did I miss that? Nope – I didn’t miss anything but this illustrates the problem. But is this possible and leaves no physical evidence in the cockpit? No swoosh, no bump, no oscillations, no blinking of door or stairs light … just a clean exit without any trace whatsoever like in the X-Files … near Reno?  Cooper letter of thanks sent to Reno the next day. This means the FBI has been withholding vital facts and lying to us all along.

New particles:  But is the tie Coopers? I do not mean: ‘did Cooper wear the tie during the hijacking?’. What I mean is ‘Was the tie part of Cooper’s actual life, for a week, a month, a lifetime wherever he went and lived’?  Answer: I dunno. And neither does anyone else I know of, but we can play like it does – that should consume another 40- years of press conferences and tv appearances.

Appearance:  What did Cooper look like? Neat well dressed or disheveled? Who is right and who is wrong? The guy with all of the FBI files is right by fiat! He’s always right. Which means I have been wasting my life for eight long years! But I really wonder what Cooper looked like? A lost Cocker Spaniel or Donald Trump?

I also enjoyed the program, especially the parachute jump by Josh Gates.  His reaction was typical of most people making their first jump.  If Gates has the risk-taking gene (or "Warrior Gene"), then he is probably already shopping for his own parachute rig.  And 377 is probably advising him on the subject. ;D

His schedule must defy belief - he did a good job. I liked you guys out there at Tina Bar. Congrats!

Did analysis on the found metal ring ever come back?

I am not aware of any analytical results for that ring.  My guess at the time was that it had something to do with the canvas covers on the barges that haul grain and fruits from upriver to Astoria or wherever.  The break was very shiny and clean.
 

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Hello Everyone!

Airing tonight:  D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN!

Back this summer I reached out to a lot of you for help with a D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN on the Travel Channel.  I was impressed by the depth of knowledge of everyone on this site and grateful for everyone's generosity.  I'm happy to announce that the episode debuts this evening on the Travel Channel at 9pm.  I want to again thank everyone on here who ever answered an email or a phone call from me or or co-workers.  Specific thanks to members here: Shutter, Bruce Smith, Robert99, Georger, Meyer Louie, & Mark Meltzer (Mark's on here, I think, yes?).

I hope you all enjoy the show. And just remember, anything that you like, I'm totally responsible for (with all your help), and anything you don't–it was the Network!

Thanks again to a great community!


-Amanda Marks

Travel Channel Production:

I thought it was generally well done and entertaining. What was the final result of lab analysis on the metal ring found at Tina Bar?

The Greg Hall Theory filled in the gap where all Cooper documentaries stall; at the jump. But, Cooper jumping near Reno does not explain money at Tina Bar, or did I miss that? Nope – I didn’t miss anything but this illustrates the problem. But is this possible and leaves no physical evidence in the cockpit? No swoosh, no bump, no oscillations, no blinking of door or stairs light … just a clean exit without any trace whatsoever like in the X-Files … near Reno?  Cooper letter of thanks sent to Reno the next day. This means the FBI has been withholding vital facts and lying to us all along.

New particles:  But is the tie Coopers? I do not mean: ‘did Cooper wear the tie during the hijacking?’. What I mean is ‘Was the tie part of Cooper’s actual life, for a week, a month, a lifetime wherever he went and lived’?  Answer: I dunno. And neither does anyone else I know of, but we can play like it does – that should consume another 40- years of press conferences and tv appearances.

Appearance:  What did Cooper look like? Neat well dressed or disheveled? Who is right and who is wrong? The guy with all of the FBI files is right by fiat! He’s always right. Which means I have been wasting my life for eight long years! But I really wonder what Cooper looked like? A lost Cocker Spaniel or Donald Trump?

I also enjoyed the program, especially the parachute jump by Josh Gates.  His reaction was typical of most people making their first jump.  If Gates has the risk-taking gene (or "Warrior Gene"), then he is probably already shopping for his own parachute rig.  And 377 is probably advising him on the subject. ;D

His schedule must defy belief - he did a good job. I liked you guys out there at Tina Bar. Congrats!

Did analysis on the found metal ring ever come back?

I am not aware of any analytical results for that ring.  My guess at the time was that it had something to do with the canvas covers on the barges that haul grain and fruits from upriver to Astoria or wherever.  The break was very shiny and clean.

What do you make of the Greg Hall theory?
 

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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2017, 03:11:02 AM »
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Kaye has a partial list of the chemicals Kaye found:

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What strikes me about this list plus the previous list, along with free floating Yttrium particles now, is the status of Cooper's health if you assume the tie represents a slice of Cooper's actual life. People die or form chronic conditions with these kinds of exposures. There would have been a number of industries and contexts in which these kinds of exposures were occurring in the 70's - all with a significant rate of occupational disease.

His comments to Flo and Tina may indicate he was focused on the future, ie. 'going to a place you would like'. His ransom request was modest, just enough to live south of the border (in Mexico). If his grudge was related to a health condition then his motive was perhaps personal and related to finishing his life out in a place and condition he could accept.

Would an autopsy show these particles in Cooper's lungs and liver? Tom's new list fully supplements his previous list of rare metals and the health risks of exposure to these kinds of substances is fully documented out of the 1970s.. That was one of my reactions to Tom's first list and it's even stronger now? The question may be not where did Cooper go to live, but where did Cooper go to die more comfortably?   :-\     

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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2017, 07:33:57 AM »
Should be able to watch the show here..


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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2017, 10:03:40 AM »
Robert99  You say:  "As an electrical engineer, perhaps Sailshaw has information as to what Boeing was doing with CRTs in 1971."

I say:  DB might have been just having fun breaking a CRT from an old TV to be sent to the dump and the particles on the inside of the CRT floated to his tie. That is not how we discarded CRT's at Boeing we had a proper safe procedure.

Did anyone catch the flaw in the Travel channel program last night about "DB did not chose the right chute theory"? I talked with Norm Hayden who supplied the two "Back Chutes" and he said he purchased the two chutes at the same time from a surplus place on Marginal Way in Seattle and the two chutes were exactly the same. The chutes were packed in two different containers (one a military container and the other a sports container). In talking with 377 he felt DB picked the best container (military) to jump with as it could better stand the high speed opening, so the conclusion 377 made was DB knew what de was doing and selected the best chute/container. Not to confuse but the two exactly same chutes might have been of two different diameters. Bruce might know more about that issue as he researched the parachute and wrote about it in his good book. The travel channel program was fun to watch even though it had some errors and why did Tom Kaye not mention the titanium/aluminum/machined particles that his Sleuth team found on the DB tie?

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Hello Everyone!

Airing tonight:  D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN!

Back this summer I reached out to a lot of you for help with a D.B.Cooper episode of EXPEDITION UNKNOWN on the Travel Channel.  I was impressed by the depth of knowledge of everyone on this site and grateful for everyone's generosity.  I'm happy to announce that the episode debuts this evening on the Travel Channel at 9pm.  I want to again thank everyone on here who ever answered an email or a phone call from me or or co-workers.  Specific thanks to members here: Shutter, Bruce Smith, Robert99, Georger, Meyer Louie, & Mark Meltzer (Mark's on here, I think, yes?).

I hope you all enjoy the show. And just remember, anything that you like, I'm totally responsible for (with all your help), and anything you don't–it was the Network!

Thanks again to a great community!


-Amanda Marks

Travel Channel Production:

I thought it was generally well done and entertaining. What was the final result of lab analysis on the metal ring found at Tina Bar?

The Greg Hall Theory filled in the gap where all Cooper documentaries stall; at the jump. But, Cooper jumping near Reno does not explain money at Tina Bar, or did I miss that? Nope – I didn’t miss anything but this illustrates the problem. But is this possible and leaves no physical evidence in the cockpit? No swoosh, no bump, no oscillations, no blinking of door or stairs light … just a clean exit without any trace whatsoever like in the X-Files … near Reno?  Cooper letter of thanks sent to Reno the next day. This means the FBI has been withholding vital facts and lying to us all along.

New particles:  But is the tie Coopers? I do not mean: ‘did Cooper wear the tie during the hijacking?’. What I mean is ‘Was the tie part of Cooper’s actual life, for a week, a month, a lifetime wherever he went and lived’?  Answer: I dunno. And neither does anyone else I know of, but we can play like it does – that should consume another 40- years of press conferences and tv appearances.

Appearance:  What did Cooper look like? Neat well dressed or disheveled? Who is right and who is wrong? The guy with all of the FBI files is right by fiat! He’s always right. Which means I have been wasting my life for eight long years! But I really wonder what Cooper looked like? A lost Cocker Spaniel or Donald Trump?

I also enjoyed the program, especially the parachute jump by Josh Gates.  His reaction was typical of most people making their first jump.  If Gates has the risk-taking gene (or "Warrior Gene"), then he is probably already shopping for his own parachute rig.  And 377 is probably advising him on the subject. ;D

His schedule must defy belief - he did a good job. I liked you guys out there at Tina Bar. Congrats!

Did analysis on the found metal ring ever come back?

I am not aware of any analytical results for that ring.  My guess at the time was that it had something to do with the canvas covers on the barges that haul grain and fruits from upriver to Astoria or wherever.  The break was very shiny and clean.

What do you make of the Greg Hall theory?

Not a chance.
 

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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2017, 01:12:26 PM »
Would this tie have passed occupational health & safety tests for a worker at Hanford?   :-\

I guess it would have since it doesn't 'glow in the dark' ?  >:D :))

Maybe Cooper is on some list of people denied benefits somewhere?  ;) No Agent Orange?
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2017, 01:20:16 PM »
I enjoyed the show, except for the Greg Hall theory and the jump. I'm assuming he thinks Tena Bar was a plant? That whole part of the show could have been used on something more important, imo.
 

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I enjoyed the show, except for the Greg Hall theory and the jump. I'm assuming he thinks Tena Bar was a plant? That whole part of the show could have been used on something more important, imo.

This is why I said the program stalled at the same point all Cooper plots stall - at the jump and money find. The Hall theory fills the void; just as the Washougal theory fills a void when all other explanations fall into that rabbit hole. This is why I always look for another way into the bubble; and some people think the particles on the tie are next best way in ... at least it's evidence of something. It's a puzzle leading to an obsession with endless theory making  :))    Sluggo called this the "missing link". Then like the KIRO video, even the cigarette butts go missing and are lost?

If the money could only talk!  >:D

 
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Well I thought Josh and crew did a pretty good job! Congrats to everyone on this forum that had a chance to voice their ideas.

I have to get my ISP to upload the full list of particles because the Excel file is about 40 meg. There is a lot of searching to do in the particle list of this size. We hope this adds to the titanium find.

On another note one of the crew was searching google while we were filming and found a reference to the SST having the first ever CRT tube in the dashboard.  It would make sense that the chassis for that CRT might be out of titanium. Fertile ground.......


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I think the chassis and mounting rails for panel avionics (incl a CRT display) would likely be aluminum not titanium even in the SST.  The specs don't require extreme heat resistance or strength, and the weight savings probably wouldn't justify the cost. Still, I remain intrigued by the tie metals that TK and Al found: unalloyed Ti, Bismuth, turned Al shavings. It has to be a signature of some particular industry or product.

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