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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2550 on: May 18, 2020, 01:01:05 AM »
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Does anyone know if the boot prints were made by “Wing Walker” chukka boots?

You mean at the Heisson store break-in?

Yes I thought so - thanks. Since the crew described seeing loafers Im inclined to go with that pending some revelation from somebody!  ;)
Yes, or on the plane.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2551 on: May 19, 2020, 03:04:29 AM »
Clarification on the Heisson story flyjack posted the 302 a while back and he never said boots were stolen, the 302 says there were military style boot prints found at the scene. I can see how you could get that mixed up. FJ posted some shoes that had the same type of military sole but resembled loafers.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2552 on: May 19, 2020, 04:34:49 AM »
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Clarification on the Heisson story flyjack posted the 302 a while back and he never said boots were stolen, the 302 says there were military style boot prints found at the scene. I can see how you could get that mixed up. FJ posted some shoes that had the same type of military sole but resembled loafers.

The sheriff's report might add some clarification ... and as FJ notes, there was a railroad crossing just feet from the store. The shoe debate has gone around and around for years ... when they find impressions of a military style boot on the money - lets us all know! Im probably giving somebody a new narrative here!  ;) ;)     

McNally might have an opinion about Cooper's style of dress?   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2553 on: May 19, 2020, 11:49:15 PM »
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Clarification on the Heisson story flyjack posted the 302 a while back and he never said boots were stolen, the 302 says there were military style boot prints found at the scene. I can see how you could get that mixed up. FJ posted some shoes that had the same type of military sole but resembled loafers.

Im sure you've been reading FJ's posts at DZ.  See his post on a parachute found in the area. Evidently the FBI rejected the chute based on advice from Cossey! 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2554 on: May 19, 2020, 11:50:13 PM »
Another doc related to the Heisson matter above -
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2555 on: May 20, 2020, 10:18:39 PM »
Interesting.  A search of News Articles brings up only four (4) instances of the phrase, "negotiable American currency."

1927 - NY Daily News, in an article about the purse of the upcoming Dempsey vs. Tunney rematch
1958 - The Montgomery Advisor (Ala.), Politics section, in a nameless editorial rant about money in baseball
1970 - (*See Attachment 1)
2011 - In a Canadian article about the Citizen Sleuths.

The 1970 date stuck out to me, and I read that one first.  Then it mentioned counterfeit money, which peaked my interested even more...

And then I removed the word "American" and searched again, and was wildly underwhelmed by the over 3,000 instances of that phrase being written in newsprint, from all regions and most states of the country as well as Australia, Canada and the U.K.  Everything from police blotters to financial news to freaking horoscopes has the term "negotiable currency" in it. One instance was a lawsuit with an order to pay the plaintiff in "negotiable currency of the United States."

Verdict:  the term is not altogether irrelevant, but does not establish likelihood of being Canadian or otherwise foreign.  At best it shows that Cooper was better at communicating than your average Warner Brothers cartoon mob goon.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2556 on: May 21, 2020, 12:10:22 AM »
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Interesting.  A search of News Articles brings up only four (4) instances of the phrase, "negotiable American currency."

1927 - NY Daily News, in an article about the purse of the upcoming Dempsey vs. Tunney rematch
1958 - The Montgomery Advisor (Ala.), Politics section, in a nameless editorial rant about money in baseball
1970 - (*See Attachment 1)
2011 - In a Canadian article about the Citizen Sleuths.

The 1970 date stuck out to me, and I read that one first.  Then it mentioned counterfeit money, which peaked my interested even more...

And then I removed the word "American" and searched again, and was wildly underwhelmed by the over 3,000 instances of that phrase being written in newsprint, from all regions and most states of the country as well as Australia, Canada and the U.K.  Everything from police blotters to financial news to freaking horoscopes has the term "negotiable currency" in it. One instance was a lawsuit with an order to pay the plaintiff in "negotiable currency of the United States."

Verdict:  the term is not altogether irrelevant, but does not establish likelihood of being Canadian or otherwise foreign.  At best it shows that Cooper was better at communicating than your a


COMPLAINTS FILED!  There is something wrong with you bud.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2557 on: May 21, 2020, 12:27:25 AM »
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Interesting.  A search of News Articles brings up only four (4) instances of the phrase, "negotiable American currency."

1927 - NY Daily News, in an article about the purse of the upcoming Dempsey vs. Tunney rematch
1958 - The Montgomery Advisor (Ala.), Politics section, in a nameless editorial rant about money in baseball
1970 - (*See Attachment 1)
2011 - In a Canadian article about the Citizen Sleuths.

The 1970 date stuck out to me, and I read that one first.  Then it mentioned counterfeit money, which peaked my interested even more...

And then I removed the word "American" and searched again, and was wildly underwhelmed by the over 3,000 instances of that phrase being written in newsprint, from all regions and most states of the country as well as Australia, Canada and the U.K.  Everything from police blotters to financial news to freaking horoscopes has the term "negotiable currency" in it. One instance was a lawsuit with an order to pay the plaintiff in "negotiable currency of the United States."

Verdict:  the term is not altogether irrelevant, but does not establish likelihood of being Canadian or otherwise foreign.  At best it shows that Cooper was better at communicating than your a


COMPLAINTS FILED!  There is something wrong with you bud.

1) Complaint about what?
2) Make sure to file a second complaint about yourself calling Eric and/or Bruce a wackjob (see other thread).
3) Really, just log off and go away if you have nothing to contribute.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2558 on: May 25, 2020, 12:42:27 PM »
Does the FBI have DB Cooper`s airplane ticket or boarding pass? If he touched those then his DNA could be on that.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2559 on: May 25, 2020, 06:07:08 PM »
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Does the FBI have DB Cooper`s airplane ticket or boarding pass? If he touched those then his DNA could be on that.

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If I'm not mistaken the ticket clerk filled it out for him and took his money.  Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2560 on: May 25, 2020, 09:51:35 PM »
The question is would Cooper have handled it at all?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2561 on: May 26, 2020, 12:30:34 AM »
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The question is would Cooper have handled it at all?

Not necessarily.  In the 1971 time frame, the selling agent filled out the form which was probably a two or three page booklet in this case.  If three pages, the selling agent would keep one page, the gate agent would collect the second page as Cooper boarded the aircraft, and Cooper would be left with the bottom page.  If it was two pages, the gate agent would collect the top page which would go the the airline accounting office and Cooper would keep the bottom page.

When the selling agent completed the form and it got stamped, he would probably place the remaining forms in a small folder and write the gate number and maybe boarding time on the folder and give the paperwork to Cooper.  It is unlikely that Cooper handled the completed form and he took anything he had left of the paperwork after boarding with him when he jumped.  If the selling agent and gate agent each kept a copy then those copies would go the accounting office and maybe elsewhere.

The reason for the agents doing all the writing and paperwork was to expediate things and to make sure that the information was accurate and correctly entered on the form.  If it was a cash transaction, as in the Cooper hijacking, no name or anything else was verified.     
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2562 on: June 01, 2020, 08:53:11 PM »
If it was a 3 page document that was used and the 2 remaining documents were placed into a folder by the selling agent, who would have ended up with the folder? Would the boarding agent give Cooper his copy and keep the remaining copy and folder or would Cooper get his personal copy and also the folder? Are any of the agents still around to ask questions of?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2563 on: June 02, 2020, 12:27:01 AM »
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If it was a 3 page document that was used and the 2 remaining documents were placed into a folder by the selling agent, who would have ended up with the folder? Would the boarding agent give Cooper his copy and keep the remaining copy and folder or would Cooper get his personal copy and also the folder? Are any of the agents still around to ask questions of?

After the gate agent took his copy, Cooper would end up with the remaining copy and the folder.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2564 on: June 18, 2020, 10:31:02 AM »
Questions about the "X" on the dummy chute that indicated it being a dummy chute....

1. Was the "X" a universal symbol that was used to mark dummy chutes as dummies? In other words, did every single parachute company/jump facility use an "X" to mark their dummy chutes?
Or was the "X" not universal and some places used an "X" while other places used some other type of marking?

2. If the "X" was indeed a universal marking, when did it become so?

3. Did the military have their own way of marking dummy chutes? If the "X" was used in the civilian parachuting world, did the military also use the "X" or did they have their own type of marking?

4. Was the dummy chute that Cooper took a military dummy or a sport dummy? (I believe I once read that it was a military chute, like the main chute he used. But wanted to verify)

I know there are a couple experienced skydivers here that I'm hoping might be able to answer these questions. Thanks in advance.