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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1500 on: January 14, 2018, 07:42:38 PM »
Flyjack, do me a favor and post photo's vs HTML code...it takes up a lot of bandwidth...
 

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« Reply #1501 on: January 14, 2018, 08:17:43 PM »
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termites do not live in sand

This is true... and the primary reason is that they need water and water drains far too fast through sand.... Termites are found in soil that has at least some semblance of water retention.
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« Reply #1502 on: January 14, 2018, 11:25:42 PM »
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Flyjack, do me a favor and post photo's vs HTML code...it takes up a lot of bandwidth...

Shutter, should you move all of this money discussion to the Money thread? 
 

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« Reply #1503 on: January 14, 2018, 11:33:39 PM »
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termites do not live in sand

This is true... and the primary reason is that they need water and water drains far too fast through sand.... Termites are found in soil that has at least some semblance of water retention.

I dont know - Im getting a little confused about termites. During one call today an agent remarked to me: I used to live in AZ ... termites are everywhere in Arizona! Its news to me ... Isnt AZ mostly sand and rock?   

What I am sure of is, if termite are an important aspect f this case, it can still be looked into. Its a bit late but a try could be made. Tom?   
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« Reply #1504 on: January 14, 2018, 11:47:59 PM »
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termites do not live in sand

This is true... and the primary reason is that they need water and water drains far too fast through sand.... Termites are found in soil that has at least some semblance of water retention.

I dont know - Im getting a little confused about termites. During one call today an agent remarked to me: I used to live in AZ ... termites are everywhere in Arizona! Its news to me ... Isnt AZ mostly sand and rock?

Sand and rock with a few trees in the mountains.  I am a desert lover myself preferring the sunshine, heat, and absence of water.

But a couple of decades ago, I was buying a house a few miles from the Colorado River in the northwest part of the state and had to have a state mandated termite inspection as part of the transaction.  The termite inspector told me that he had never seen termites in that area, but he was always happy to make such inspections for his usual fee. ::)

In fact, I have had several real estate transactions and termite inspections in Arizona and haven't seen a termite in my four decades here.
 

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« Reply #1505 on: January 15, 2018, 12:09:39 AM »
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termites do not live in sand

This is true... and the primary reason is that they need water and water drains far too fast through sand.... Termites are found in soil that has at least some semblance of water retention.

I dont know - Im getting a little confused about termites. During one call today an agent remarked to me: I used to live in AZ ... termites are everywhere in Arizona! Its news to me ... Isnt AZ mostly sand and rock?

Sand and rock with a few trees in the mountains.  I am a desert lover myself preferring the sunshine, heat, and absence of water.

But a couple of decades ago, I was buying a house a few miles from the Colorado River in the northwest part of the state and had to have a state mandated termite inspection as part of the transaction.  The termite inspector told me that he had never seen termites in that area, but he was always happy to make such inspections for his usual fee. ::)

In fact, I have had several real estate transactions and termite inspections in Arizona and haven't seen a termite in my four decades here.

Here we go. More conflicting info but I dont doubt your word. I will ask guys in our AZ observatory system what they know. I do know of expeditions that were stopped until rattlesnakes could be cleared out! Until then here's this .... if termites were in an area wouldnt there be eggs there too?

 I just dont see this eating pattern in Cooper money whereas Flyjack does.
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« Reply #1506 on: January 15, 2018, 04:02:21 AM »
Still thinking about this. Even if the money was fed on by termites, I dont see how that proves a plant. The money could have been exposed to termites say on Caterpillar Island, or in the Shillapoo (forest), or somewhere along R99's wash-in route, or even on Tena Bar itself and still have arrived at its found location by natural means. Maybe I'm missing something. 
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« Reply #1507 on: January 15, 2018, 09:25:07 AM »
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Still thinking about this. Even if the money was fed on by termites, I dont see how that proves a plant. The money could have been exposed to termites say on Caterpillar Island, or in the Shillapoo (forest), or somewhere along R99's wash-in route, or even on Tena Bar itself and still have arrived at its found location by natural means. Maybe I'm missing something.

Agree, I don't see a plant.. 

The termites may show an initial environment before TBAR.

The video I have showing termite damage to currency looks exactly like some of these bills..

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« Reply #1508 on: January 15, 2018, 10:19:12 AM »
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Still thinking about this. Even if the money was fed on by termites, I dont see how that proves a plant. The money could have been exposed to termites say on Caterpillar Island, or in the Shillapoo (forest), or somewhere along R99's wash-in route, or even on Tena Bar itself and still have arrived at its found location by natural means. Maybe I'm missing something.

In my mind the only way that TERMITES and PLANT  coexist, is if the unsub quickly caught them eating and halted it, for paper is as good as tissue to termites, and it'd have been consumed in short order. We aren't talking solid wood here, what we are used to associating it with....

But there are a few problems...  to acheive that munch uniformity, then they'd have have to been wet.... so maybe buried in ground and were rainwater saturated.  If they were, say, stored in a dry place, we'd see tunneling, and no uniformity, just like the book photo above.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1509 on: January 18, 2018, 08:52:13 AM »
Good morning,
I have a quick question that I'm hoping someone could help me with.  I've tried finding the answer via the Search button, but not success.    I read somewhere that DB took medication on the flight.  Do we know that for certain?   And if so, do we know what kind of medication he took?   Prescription?   OTC aspirin?

 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1510 on: January 18, 2018, 10:20:29 AM »
They don't know if Cooper took any meds but this devolved because upon testing the tie particles they contained substances consistent with those used for pill coatings, so they theorized this.
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« Reply #1511 on: January 18, 2018, 10:24:07 AM »
I thought it was mentioned somewhere that Cooper said that he had something the pilots could take to stay alert / awake? Can't remember who said this. Gray perhaps in his book?
 
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« Reply #1512 on: January 18, 2018, 12:40:42 PM »
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I thought it was mentioned somewhere that Cooper said that he had something the pilots could take to stay alert / awake? Can't remember who said this. Gray perhaps in his book?

I don't remember where I read it, but Cooper reportedly did tell at least Tina that he had some pills that could help the pilots stay awake if they became tired or sleepy.  This would presumably be something along the line of the pills that some truck drivers reportedly take on long trips ("speed"?).

For the record, USAF pilots also are issued and use some type of pills to help them stay awake and alert on extremely long flights (say 16+ hour flights).
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1513 on: January 18, 2018, 04:52:16 PM »
Cooper brought Benzedrine onboard to keep the pilots awake. Described in Gray's SKYJACK, and the 302s floating around.

No one knows if or what medications Cooper took, as far as I know. The CS have speculated that it could have been blood pressure medication because that is the most widely prescribed med in the world, and the coatings of those pills often have a powdery mix of Lycopodium, which was found on the tie.

I discuss this in my book, and also the related issue of amphetamines in combat and for flying. The use of amphetamines and methamphetamine was first widely used by Japanese pilots in WW II, and copied by all Allied forces as well. But their use in Vietnam by US Forces exceeded the combined prior worldwide usage.

The essential question still remains: did Cooper use drugs or any other enhancements? Amphetamines and other pharmaceuticals could have helped him stay warm, stay awake and alert, reduce hunger, reduce pain from injury, etc. It is rarely talked about, nor investigated. - most probably because most people think of DB Cooper as a guy like them or someone they know, and few people regularly carry these kinds of drugs, have access to them, or even know about them.

But a commando would, I say.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1514 on: February 02, 2018, 03:52:30 PM »
All,

Been going over all the 302, radio transcripts and this forum trying to find out who was talking to whom on the flight from Portland to Seattle then to Reno. Need clarification on a few things:

1. How were comms with MSP ops conducted: radio or ARINC or both? I read here Flo did some comms with them as well while in the cockpit.
2. Who did most of the talking to SEATAC, both area approach and later tower? I'm assuming Scott as Captain but did Rataczak also?
3. Was flight 305 ever in contact with the chase plane (C-130) or Darts? I'm assuming no but could be wrong.

Thank you in advance for any info.