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« Reply #1380 on: December 09, 2017, 07:09:33 PM »
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At least I have you, Meyer. You always respond to my posts...

So, I guess this means we should be blood brothers then, like the Indians in those pathetic John Wayne movies who would cut themselves?  Don't think so.  And I've never been a fan of John Wayne. Ain't gonna happen.   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1381 on: December 15, 2017, 05:56:49 PM »
Does anyone know if the ticket agent who sold Dan Cooper the ticket was questioned about Cooper?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1382 on: December 15, 2017, 08:10:09 PM »
Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.
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« Reply #1383 on: December 15, 2017, 10:08:54 PM »
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Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.

Contrary to Bruce's statement above, there is no uncertainty whatsoever that Dan Cooper DID NOT sign the ticket.  In the 1971 era, the ticket agent did all the writing on the ticket although he did ask Cooper for his name.
 

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« Reply #1384 on: December 15, 2017, 10:25:44 PM »
I believe this started with the agents investigating McCoy...

Now, when you look at the counters from that period you won't see any pens attached to chains that you would think would be there for them to use. the tickets are behind the counter, they fill out the forms, so why would they allow them to put there name on it..

another agent working for NW in Portland stated they do all the writing on the tickets..

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« Reply #1385 on: December 15, 2017, 11:38:58 PM »
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Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.

Contrary to Bruce's statement above, there is no uncertainty whatsoever that Dan Cooper DID NOT sign the ticket.  In the 1971 era, the ticket agent did all the writing on the ticket although he did ask Cooper for his name.

... and Cooper replied: My name Jose' Hemayonnaise.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2017, 11:40:46 PM by georger »
 

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« Reply #1386 on: December 16, 2017, 04:25:29 AM »
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Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.

Contrary to Bruce's statement above, there is no uncertainty whatsoever that Dan Cooper DID NOT sign the ticket.  In the 1971 era, the ticket agent did all the writing on the ticket although he did ask Cooper for his name.


Well, there you go again, Bruce.  R99 is correct.  I offered to try to find Lysne a long time to confirm the signature, but I, and others, discovered that Lysne had passed away, and there was no uncertainty that Lysne had signed the ticket.  Colbert conjures up fake news to get media attention, he seems not to care about the truth. 
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« Reply #1387 on: December 16, 2017, 04:50:28 AM »
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Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.

Contrary to Bruce's statement above, there is no uncertainty whatsoever that Dan Cooper DID NOT sign the ticket.  In the 1971 era, the ticket agent did all the writing on the ticket although he did ask Cooper for his name.


Well, there you go again, Bruce.  R99 is correct.  I offered to try to find Lysne a long time to confirm the signature, but I, and others, discovered that Lysne had passed away, and there was no uncertainty that Lysne had signed the ticket.  Colbert conjures up fake news to get media attention, he seems not to care about the truth.

I wouldnt be a bit surprised if there was a NWA manual or short course on how to sign in people, prepare, and issue them their ticket. The ticket agent may have been following procedure he was trained to follow.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1388 on: December 16, 2017, 08:34:57 AM »
Cooper was careful enough to have everything returned to him, including the book of matches Tina tried to throw away, or keep. why would he want to write on the ticket?

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Colbert conjures up fake news to get media attention, he seems not to care about the truth.

I don't think that's the case here. agents have claimed Cooper signed the ticket. I don't think Colbert is a model for CNN either...
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« Reply #1389 on: December 16, 2017, 11:03:38 AM »
There is something interesting that I noticed in the vault, on one the linked websites that I was checking out it was giving descriptions of Cooper from different people. Mitchell who sat across from him said that he had on long underwear under his suit. That's the first time that I heard that.
 

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« Reply #1390 on: December 16, 2017, 11:17:13 AM »
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Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.

Contrary to Bruce's statement above, there is no uncertainty whatsoever that Dan Cooper DID NOT sign the ticket.  In the 1971 era, the ticket agent did all the writing on the ticket although he did ask Cooper for his name.


Well, there you go again, Bruce.  R99 is correct.  I offered to try to find Lysne a long time to confirm the signature, but I, and others, discovered that Lysne had passed away, and there was no uncertainty that Lysne had signed the ticket.  Colbert conjures up fake news to get media attention, he seems not to care about the truth.

I wouldnt be a bit surprised if there was a NWA manual or short course on how to sign in people, prepare, and issue them their ticket. The ticket agent may have been following procedure he was trained to follow.

Georger, you can rest assured that the ticket agents had a lot of training on how to process passengers, solve problems before they occurred, and get the planes back in the air fast.

The main reason for the ticket agent doing all the writing probably was that he would write in a legible manner and get the job done real fast.  And he could process passengers faster since they would not have to touch the ticket except when leaving the counter. 
 

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« Reply #1391 on: December 16, 2017, 01:48:22 PM »
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Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.

Contrary to Bruce's statement above, there is no uncertainty whatsoever that Dan Cooper DID NOT sign the ticket.  In the 1971 era, the ticket agent did all the writing on the ticket although he did ask Cooper for his name.


Well, there you go again, Bruce.  R99 is correct.  I offered to try to find Lysne a long time to confirm the signature, but I, and others, discovered that Lysne had passed away, and there was no uncertainty that Lysne had signed the ticket.  Colbert conjures up fake news to get media attention, he seems not to care about the truth.

I wouldnt be a bit surprised if there was a NWA manual or short course on how to sign in people, prepare, and issue them their ticket. The ticket agent may have been following procedure he was trained to follow.

Georger, you can rest assured that the ticket agents had a lot of training on how to process passengers, solve problems before they occurred, and get the planes back in the air fast.

The main reason for the ticket agent doing all the writing probably was that he would write in a legible manner and get the job done real fast.  And he could process passengers faster since they would not have to touch the ticket except when leaving the counter.

agree - Kitt said there was training and a manual.

In addition, when you ask and agree to board an airline you are in effect agreeing to give the airline (and the FAA) full and truthful information including your name. That is why a third party must write the name down, in legible form, should someone care to question it for any reason/ Its a legal process you are entering into and agreeing to.

Boarding an airline in the 70s was not a completely free lunch. There were a few rules and protocols every passenger had to agree to. Note that one of Cooper's expressed fears was if there were "sky marshals" (plural) on board! That is a telling admission on Cooper's part. Reflects his knowledge base and his frame of reference; his background. This guy is worldly but he doesn't know NWA and this particular flight. I guess that leaves out the NWA purser Christiansen right there!   :rofl:

Not only did Cooper not write his own name on the ticket, our Mr. Cooper is worldly to some extent by his own admission. He has been following skyjackings and what authorities have done to prevent skyjackings, and it's only 1971. And I think the majority of skyjackings in the USA to date have been Cuban related? Cooper is wondering if this NWA milk run shuttle flight between Portland and Seattle might have sky marshals on board! Sky Marshals going home to Seattle for Thanksgiving on the last flight of the day? It's too bad nobody tried any Spanish with him. Did any of the stews speak Spanish?     
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« Reply #1392 on: December 16, 2017, 04:27:03 PM »
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Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.

Contrary to Bruce's statement above, there is no uncertainty whatsoever that Dan Cooper DID NOT sign the ticket.  In the 1971 era, the ticket agent did all the writing on the ticket although he did ask Cooper for his name.


Well, there you go again, Bruce.  R99 is correct.  I offered to try to find Lysne a long time to confirm the signature, but I, and others, discovered that Lysne had passed away, and there was no uncertainty that Lysne had signed the ticket.  Colbert conjures up fake news to get media attention, he seems not to care about the truth.

I wouldnt be a bit surprised if there was a NWA manual or short course on how to sign in people, prepare, and issue them their ticket. The ticket agent may have been following procedure he was trained to follow.

Georger, you can rest assured that the ticket agents had a lot of training on how to process passengers, solve problems before they occurred, and get the planes back in the air fast.

The main reason for the ticket agent doing all the writing probably was that he would write in a legible manner and get the job done real fast.  And he could process passengers faster since they would not have to touch the ticket except when leaving the counter.

When you think about this, it was a remarkable admission (or an act of naive stupidity!) on Cooper's part to cozy up to the stews and tell them he had a bomb and then tell him he was concerned about there being sky marshals on board!? What is to prevent these stews from freaking out and screaming - THERE'S A BOMB ON BOARD! There is an able bodied well built college guy right across the aisle! Flo has already proven to be tight lipped and reticent. Hancock is older and not much different in her caution. Mucklow almost has no choice but to take the role of the 'calm country blonde girl' in keeping Cooper's psyche together. Rataczak wants to kill the guy asap! A whole lot of passengers are sitting there apparently clueless.

And Cooper is concerned there might be several sky marshals on board! ?     

Gag me with a silver box of TNT!   Who signed the ticket?    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.

Contrary to Bruce's statement above, there is no uncertainty whatsoever that Dan Cooper DID NOT sign the ticket.  In the 1971 era, the ticket agent did all the writing on the ticket although he did ask Cooper for his name.


Well, there you go again, Bruce.  R99 is correct.  I offered to try to find Lysne a long time to confirm the signature, but I, and others, discovered that Lysne had passed away, and there was no uncertainty that Lysne had signed the ticket.  Colbert conjures up fake news to get media attention, he seems not to care about the truth.

I wouldnt be a bit surprised if there was a NWA manual or short course on how to sign in people, prepare, and issue them their ticket. The ticket agent may have been following procedure he was trained to follow.

Georger, you can rest assured that the ticket agents had a lot of training on how to process passengers, solve problems before they occurred, and get the planes back in the air fast.

The main reason for the ticket agent doing all the writing probably was that he would write in a legible manner and get the job done real fast.  And he could process passengers faster since they would not have to touch the ticket except when leaving the counter.

When you think about this, it was a remarkable admission (or an act of naive stupidity!) on Cooper's part to cozy up to the stews and tell them he had a bomb and then tell him he was concerned about there being sky marshals on board!? What is to prevent these stews from freaking out and screaming - THERE'S A BOMB ON BOARD! There is an able bodied well built college guy right across the aisle! Flo has already proven to be tight lipped and reticent. Hancock is older and not much different in her caution. Mucklow almost has no choice but to take the role of the 'calm country blonde girl' in keeping Cooper's psyche together. Rataczak wants to kill the guy asap! A whole lot of passengers are sitting there apparently clueless.

And Cooper is concerned there might be several sky marshals on board! ?     

Gag me with a silver box of TNT!   Who signed the ticket?    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Cooper's question about the sky marshals may be more significant that it first appears.  Seriously, we need a good shrink here.
 

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Yup. Extensively. The accounts of the interviews are widespread. He got pulled out of a grocery store, as his shift ended just as the skyjacking began.

However, there is uncertainty about whether Dan Cooper signed his ticket, or the agent, Dennis Lysne did. Most feel that Lysne signed the tix, not Coop. But Colbert is leading the charge otherwise...

For more details see SKYJACK, NORJAK, and other books on Cooper.

Contrary to Bruce's statement above, there is no uncertainty whatsoever that Dan Cooper DID NOT sign the ticket.  In the 1971 era, the ticket agent did all the writing on the ticket although he did ask Cooper for his name.


Well, there you go again, Bruce.  R99 is correct.  I offered to try to find Lysne a long time to confirm the signature, but I, and others, discovered that Lysne had passed away, and there was no uncertainty that Lysne had signed the ticket.  Colbert conjures up fake news to get media attention, he seems not to care about the truth.

I wouldnt be a bit surprised if there was a NWA manual or short course on how to sign in people, prepare, and issue them their ticket. The ticket agent may have been following procedure he was trained to follow.

Georger, you can rest assured that the ticket agents had a lot of training on how to process passengers, solve problems before they occurred, and get the planes back in the air fast.

The main reason for the ticket agent doing all the writing probably was that he would write in a legible manner and get the job done real fast.  And he could process passengers faster since they would not have to touch the ticket except when leaving the counter.

When you think about this, it was a remarkable admission (or an act of naive stupidity!) on Cooper's part to cozy up to the stews and tell them he had a bomb and then tell him he was concerned about there being sky marshals on board!? What is to prevent these stews from freaking out and screaming - THERE'S A BOMB ON BOARD! There is an able bodied well built college guy right across the aisle! Flo has already proven to be tight lipped and reticent. Hancock is older and not much different in her caution. Mucklow almost has no choice but to take the role of the 'calm country blonde girl' in keeping Cooper's psyche together. Rataczak wants to kill the guy asap! A whole lot of passengers are sitting there apparently clueless.

And Cooper is concerned there might be several sky marshals on board! ?     

Gag me with a silver box of TNT!   Who signed the ticket?    :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Cooper's question about the sky marshals may be more significant that it first appears.  Seriously, we need a good shrink here.

well it was obviously on his mind for some reason. One obvious reason is control. Did he want the stews to identify any sky marshal on board - would they even know? Or its a general warning not to interfere. Did any other hijackers ask about 'sky marshals on board'? What routes were carrying sky marshals in 1971? Did NWA have any sky marshals on any of their planes?

I wouldnt read too much into this or a 'shrink' may reply: "It means he intended to ride eight Clydesdales abreast and take them all out of the door with him, thus the four parachutes'.  ;)
 

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