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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2535 on: May 15, 2020, 11:48:41 PM »
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May I ask another question about a seemingly well-known fact, that is, Cooper wearing "loafers?" I know that it has been discussed here before, but only in passing.  I just read a number of interviews with the crew in the "Vault' area of the website.  All those describing Cooper's clothing described his dark "shoes," without specifying the kind, except for Tina Mucklow.  In the section labeled: Interview of Mucklow 12/1-2 at her home in PA: she is quoted as follows. Clothing: Dark brown suit possibly with thin black stripes, brown socks, brown ankle length pebble grain shoes, not type shoes (loafers).

The wording is confusing to me.  I suppose it could have been mis-transcribed, as the document i was reading was not an original (Word document, rather than a scan of a typewritten document).  However, that could be read as meaning "ankle length shoes, but specifically not loafer type shoes."  In other words, possibly even low cut boots.  Not that it makes an enormous difference- Mark Metzler has said that he once jumped in loafers, with no big problems.  It is part of the mythology, though.  Are there other sources that describe Cooper wearing loafers?

Does anyone have thoughts on this earlier post of mine?  I don't want to traffic in gender stereotypes, but in my experience, women are often more observant than men when it comes to shoes.  If Tina Mucklow said "ankle length," that doesn't sound like a loafer to me.  She also doesn't say "boot."  Could it be something like this picture I found of a 1959 Genesco steel toed work shoe, supposedly made for the US Military?  I don't mean this exact shoe, but something like it.

Good find, Bookie. T'anks.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2536 on: May 15, 2020, 11:52:13 PM »
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May I ask another question about a seemingly well-known fact, that is, Cooper wearing "loafers?" I know that it has been discussed here before, but only in passing.  I just read a number of interviews with the crew in the "Vault' area of the website.  All those describing Cooper's clothing described his dark "shoes," without specifying the kind, except for Tina Mucklow.  In the section labeled: Interview of Mucklow 12/1-2 at her home in PA: she is quoted as follows. Clothing: Dark brown suit possibly with thin black stripes, brown socks, brown ankle length pebble grain shoes, not type shoes (loafers).

The wording is confusing to me.  I suppose it could have been mis-transcribed, as the document i was reading was not an original (Word document, rather than a scan of a typewritten document).  However, that could be read as meaning "ankle length shoes, but specifically not loafer type shoes."  In other words, possibly even low cut boots.  Not that it makes an enormous difference- Mark Metzler has said that he once jumped in loafers, with no big problems.  It is part of the mythology, though.  Are there other sources that describe Cooper wearing loafers?

Does anyone have thoughts on this earlier post of mine?  I don't want to traffic in gender stereotypes, but in my experience, women are often more observant than men when it comes to shoes.  If Tina Mucklow said "ankle length," that doesn't sound like a loafer to me.  She also doesn't say "boot."  Could it be something like this picture I found of a 1959 Genesco steel toed work shoe, supposedly made for the US Military?  I don't mean this exact shoe, but something like it.

Good find, Bookie. T'anks.

If FJ is right and Coop stole boots at the Heisson store .... see his photos - then Cooper was set for traveling. The key is did they apprehend somebody for the breakin ... did they have a suspect? You should check that out Bruce.   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2537 on: May 15, 2020, 11:54:11 PM »
Yes, I should. Sigh...

... it's on the list.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2538 on: May 15, 2020, 11:55:41 PM »
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Yes, I should. Sigh...

... it's on the list.

Shove it up the list to No. 1! First thing next Monday!   ;)  There have to be some investigation records still on file... one hopes!  Didnt FJ post a newspaper article about it ... I will look.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2539 on: May 16, 2020, 12:00:17 AM »
Easy for you to say, G. Whadda you takin'? Adderall? I don't get up until noon.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2540 on: May 16, 2020, 12:04:03 AM »
Isn't Fly basically saying he broke in after the hijacking vs before it?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2541 on: May 16, 2020, 12:05:46 AM »
Needing boots out in the woods? I've never had that problem unless I go in the Everglades..I don't see a real need for them.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2542 on: May 16, 2020, 12:13:33 AM »
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Isn't Fly basically saying he broke in after the hijacking vs before it?

Yes, right after the landing. Same night as ? ... I forget the breakin date and time.  The breakin has to be after say 8:20 pm.  Lets see what we can dig up from the Sheriff's office ... or newspapers.

Breakin at about 11:30pm night of 11/24.    Store and current owners ... can see the railroad crossing (that goes to Vancouver) right behind it.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2543 on: May 16, 2020, 04:17:45 PM »
I don't know what the fuss is about.

Even if Cooper said, "Negotiable American Currency," why is that weird? He's headed to a state that borders Canada and might not want less-valuable Canadian dollars. Would you? Would they accept them in Mexico, where you may end up tonight? Not as readily. American dollars, they would. Better be concise.

Just skip it and move on.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2544 on: May 16, 2020, 04:35:05 PM »
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I don't know what the fuss is about.

Even if Cooper said, "Negotiable American Currency," why is that weird? He's headed to a state that borders Canada and might not want less-valuable Canadian dollars. Would you? Would they accept them in Mexico, where you may end up tonight? Not as readily. American dollars, they would. Better be concise.

Just skip it and move on.

I'm actually reading Bookman right now saying the same thing at DZ yesterday. Not so hard to conjure.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2545 on: May 16, 2020, 04:39:07 PM »
More chaos on the shoes Cooper wore. It's all my fault. FLYJACK SAYS: (which is why I am not going to bring any further FJ posts here!) I guess FJ is just projecting/guessing out loud - Cooper did NOT steal boots from the Heisson store... maybe what FJ is doing is just using posts at DZ to think out loud and nothing he posts should be taken seriously , , , damned if I can figure him out.   

FLYJACK
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My GOD,,  Georger is a F******* M******
NOBODY STOLE BOOTS FROM THE STORE.

THERE WERE NO BOOTS STOLEN FROM THE STORE.... G MADE THAT UP BECAUSE HE MISUNDERSTOOD THE REPORT.
He can't get anything straight.

Cooper may have been wearing the same boots the whole time...  laceless ankle boots with corrugated "Commando" soles..  they can resemble loafers in appearance with the pant material partially covering.

They were also describes as "ankle" high, that isn't a loafer. Laceless can appear like a loafer.. they were also described as street shoes.
Something like this,, laceless, ankle high, appears like a street shoe or loafer (pant leg covering) and has a commando sole.

FLYJACK

*Correct. I guess G MADE THAT UP BECAUSE HE MISUNDERSTOOD THE REPORT.  (G doesnt understand anything FLYJACK says! FLYJACK is in a world of his own. FJ spends all of his time looking at files and posts ... maybe he found these shoes in a past post at DZ? Didnt somebody bring these same shoe-boots up once before, years ago? Now here it is again as a FJ discovery? Pete and RePete. Oh well ...)  :chr2:
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2546 on: May 17, 2020, 05:46:49 PM »
Does anyone know if the boot prints were made by “Wing Walker” chukka boots?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2547 on: May 17, 2020, 05:49:03 PM »
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Does anyone know if the boot prints were made by “Wing Walker” chukka boots?

You mean at the Heisson store break-in? 
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2548 on: May 18, 2020, 12:20:51 AM »
New info at DZ about the dna profiles the FBI has ...

Party says the FBI has around 14 partial profiles from the tie. Says the whole issue needs to be put in the hands of non-FBI people because the FBI is untrustworthy. (Where have we heard that before?)  That the FBI doesnt really want to solve the case. There was high level intervention in the case. And other stuff... Go read it at Dropzone.   



 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2549 on: May 18, 2020, 12:54:37 AM »
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Does anyone know if the boot prints were made by “Wing Walker” chukka boots?

You mean at the Heisson store break-in?
Yes, or on the plane.