Here are the crew notes: At 2310 "wants money in negotiable currency"  Whether he said it or not is questionable, as has been said here.  I don't know if 2310 is GMT, I'm guessing it is.

2310 is GMT and that translates to 1510 PST or 3:10 PM PST.  Cooper started telling Flo that the airliner was being hijacked while it was still on the ground and a minute or two before it took off.  The crew notes indicate that Tina called the cockpit over the interphone at 2:59 PM and told the flight crew that they were being hijacked.  At 3:02 PM, Flo was in the cockpit with the original Cooper note, which was eventually returned to him.

It is not known if the flight crew mentioned the hijacking to the Air Traffic Control people at this point, but they undoubtedly passed the information to NWA Minneapolis immediately through the ARINC system.

Can anyone provide a source for, or has actually seen printed in some document somewhere: ""negotiable American currency"  ?

Maybe FLYJACK can identify his source because he is using it daily as part of his defense rationale for his foreign hijacker.

If nobody has ever seen this phrase in some document and can provide a copy of it or a source people can see, then the only source may be: Tom Kaye on his website going clear back to 2011. Kaye's statement in 2011 is: ""Cooper requested "negotiable American currency". This was the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent."   (what does accents have to do with Cooper supposedly saying "negotiable American currency"  )

Back in 2011 we asked Tom "what are the 'Cooper transcripts' ? Are you referring to the PI (ATC flight comms) Transcripts? After asking several more times Tom finally explained 'No. He was not referring to the PI flight communications Transcripts'. He was referring to the sum total of FBI documents he and Carol had been allowed to see and read privately at the Seattle office of the FBI ! Those docs are not in the public domain.

So, unless somebody can document the phrase "negotiable American currency",  then apparently Tom Kaye is the only source for this phrase. Except that Tom has never produced anything to ground his and Carol's assertion.  The whole discussion over the years about "negotiable American currency" been due to an unproven claim Kaye and Carol started in 2011 ... without any proof or documentation at all. ?   

Here's the whole passage from Kaye's 2011 website:

""Cooper requested "negotiable American currency". This was the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent. Since no American citizen would use those terms, it suggests that Cooper was not originally from this country. If he was from another country, then his lack of accent points to French Canada as one of the few places in the world where you could hail from and not have an accent. The French Canadians without accents are the Franco-Manitobans, the Franco-Albertans, and possibly the Franco-Ontarians. They would be likely to not have an accent when speaking English. These communities live in a predominantly anglophone environment and tend to become native speakers. This also lines up with the fact that the Dan Cooper comic was only published in French, making Cooper's unusual request very interesting.  (By Carol Abraczinskas Scientific/Biological Illustrator, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI )"

Since nobody has provided a source for "negotiable American currency" - not even FJ at DZ .... then the source of this must Tom Kaye and  Carol Abraczinskas  (2011) Scientific/Biological Illustrator, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI. 

Pending any documentation the phrase even exists in the Cooper literature, except in the minds of TK and Carol and FLYJACK, ... this phrase must be wiped from the Cooper lexicon.  As an unproven invention of TK and Carol. and FLYJACK!

We need to compile a list of actual phrases attributed to Cooper or mentioned in witness testimony, and stop providing 'propeller theories' for public consumption. 

 

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Can anyone provide a source for, or has actually seen printed in some document somewhere: ""negotiable American currency"  ?

Maybe FLYJACK can identify his source because he is using it daily as part of his defense rationale for his foreign hijacker.

If nobody has ever seen this phrase in some document and can provide a copy of it or a source people can see, then the only source may be: Tom Kaye on his website going clear back to 2011. Kaye's statement in 2011 is: ""Cooper requested "negotiable American currency". This was the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent."   (what does accents have to do with Cooper supposedly saying "negotiable American currency"  )

Back in 2011 we asked Tom "what are the 'Cooper transcripts' ? Are you referring to the PI (ATC flight comms) Transcripts? After asking several more times Tom finally explained 'No. He was not referring to the PI flight communications Transcripts'. He was referring to the sum total of FBI documents he and Carol had been allowed to see and read privately at the Seattle office of the FBI ! Those docs are not in the public domain.

So, unless somebody can document the phrase "negotiable American currency",  then apparently Tom Kaye is the only source for this phrase. Except that Tom has never produced anything to ground his and Carol's assertion.  The whole discussion over the years about "negotiable American currency" been due to an unproven claim Kaye and Carol started in 2011 ... without any proof or documentation at all. ?   

Here's the whole passage from Kaye's 2011 website:

""Cooper requested "negotiable American currency". This was the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent. Since no American citizen would use those terms, it suggests that Cooper was not originally from this country. If he was from another country, then his lack of accent points to French Canada as one of the few places in the world where you could hail from and not have an accent. The French Canadians without accents are the Franco-Manitobans, the Franco-Albertans, and possibly the Franco-Ontarians. They would be likely to not have an accent when speaking English. These communities live in a predominantly anglophone environment and tend to become native speakers. This also lines up with the fact that the Dan Cooper comic was only published in French, making Cooper's unusual request very interesting.  (By Carol Abraczinskas Scientific/Biological Illustrator, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI )"

Since nobody has provided a source for "negotiable American currency" - not even FJ at DZ .... then the source of this must Tom Kaye and  Carol Abraczinskas  (2011) Scientific/Biological Illustrator, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI. 

Pending any documentation the phrase even exists in the Cooper literature, except in the minds of TK and Carol and FLYJACK, ... this phrase must be wiped from the Cooper lexicon.  As an unproven invention of TK and Carol. and FLYJACK!

We need to compile a list of actual phrases attributed to Cooper or mentioned in witness testimony, and stop providing 'propeller theories' for public consumption.

Georger: The way this is written makes it sound like Tom and Carol made this whole thing up about "negotiable currency."  There are written crew notes, not 302's that use that exact terminology.  Those are from the actual night of the hijacking.  I agree that we do not know for sure what Cooper said in this case, because some of it was passed from one stew to another or from a stew to the cockpit.  But clearly there is documentation of this term, as I posted yesterday with pictures.  Those crew notes are easily searchable online, and are available in Martin Andrade's book.  You yourself responded to my post on this.

To note: I do not think Cooper was Canadian, or even foreign born, and I do not read into the "negotiable currency." as it is simply too short of a phrase to draw a reasonable conclusion from.  I have never once in my life confused a non-American for an American, except Canadians, and that was only for a short time.  I do however put this phrase into the same group as other early observations about Cooper that frankly I believe have led most of the public down the wrong path, and in essence protecting Cooper all these years.  The FBI and the public were looking for a Canadian at times.  A seasoned parachutist.  A commando.  A career criminal.  Etc. Etc.

There are written crew notes, not 302's that use that exact terminology.  Those are from the actual night of the hijacking.

Could you show them to us?  Where are they?  In crew notes? What crew notes where? In some document somewhere?  Show us "negotiable American currency" in any document.

This should be simple if it exists somewhere? I cant find it. I dont know anyone who can find it either. Maybe we are all blind?

It either exists outside of Tom Kaye website, or it doesn't! Why would TK be the only person on Earth that has seen this in some document he can;t produce?

Moreover, the source may be Carol A, not Tom Kaye!  Carol was the one supposedly working on the Comic history and reviewing FBI 302's and other documents. What document does "negotiable American currency" come from? Cite it!

Im not going to take anybody's word this document exists - until they show it or cite it or something! We need AUTHENTIFICATION 

This is important. This is crucial to people's arguments!

Has there been any explanation as to why the money was delivered to Cooper wrapped in rubber bands? At that time banks organized and secured bills in “currency straps”. Why would the money given to Cooper be wrapped in rubber bands and not in standard currency straps?

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The money was given to Cooper in used twenty dollar bills, in different size bundles, and wrapped in rubber bands to indicate to Cooper that it had been hurriedly assembled and that the serial numbers had not been recorded.

In reality, the bills were from a specific stash of bills that had been worked up for just such things as a hijacking.  The bills were from only three series years and their serial numbers had been recorded.

Has there been any explanation as to why the money was delivered to Cooper wrapped in rubber bands? At that time banks organized and secured bills in “currency straps”. Why would the money given to Cooper be wrapped in rubber bands and not in standard currency straps?

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Yes. Carr and I both talked to the SeaFirst worker who grouped the bills into bundles and wrapped each 'bundle' with one or more rubber bands, personally, for delivery to the FBI and SEATAC. There is a long-long thread about this. I forget the year Carr and I found the bank worker and talked to him, but the issue of paper straps came up suddenly short of my Sci Team receiving bills from Brian Ingram and doing a second analysis of the money. I talked to Brian about this and Brian referred me to his mother and she and I talked. Brian talked to his mother also. I think Carr called Brian's mother and talked to her also! The issue was fully vetted.

FLYJACK rejects all of this, calls Carr stupid, a liar, confused, wrong etc .... and me a moron clown. FJ started by claiming all 'packets' of bills originally had paper straps around them. FJ claimed all uses of the word 'packet' in all 302's or crew testimony was intentional technical terminology, because 'packet' is an official bank term and all people speaking about the money were aware of that term and using it! FJ then changed his theory to account for 'rubber bands'! Today FJ's theory insists the bills were pulled off the line, grouped into small groups wrapped in rubber bands, then grouped further into "PACKETS" wrapped with paper 'bank type bands'. He says all of the paper straps dissolved due to water at Tina Bar which explains why the Ingrams never saw any paper straps! FJ has avoided the issue of bank labels on the paper straps...   

There is a long thread on this issue which started at DZ years ago and continued here through multiple long posts. I hate having to go back and repeat it all.

Later, a Seafirst Security guy surfaced and explained that all 'labeled paper bank straps' were always removed from all ransom money as a security precaution, so no package of ransom money could be linked to any particular bank! By the time the Seafirst employee was bundling bills into groups to go to the FBI for Cooper, no paper straps were involved, and the only way to hold groups of money together was using rubber bands! Which is exactly what the Seafirst employee to Ckret and me he did!

FJ rejects all of this. He bases his theory on the occurrence of anyone using of the word "packet" in any FBI 302 or any other document, irrespective of the fact the same people also refer to the money using words like: bundle, bundles, packages, parcels, groups, et cetera.

FJ insists that "packet" is an official banking term which everyone involved in the Cooper hijacking was aware of, and used!

Having talked to Larry, Brian, Brian's mother, and the bank guy who wrapped the bundles with rubber bands only ... FJ's theory is utter nonsense. It's crazy. 

Interesting! Had the bills been wrapped in paper currency straps, the straps would have dissolved in water within hours and there never would have been a find on Tena Bar.

Thanks for the info!

That theory water dissolves SeaFirst paper bank straps is being tested as we sit here .... on the Columbia. 

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Can anyone provide a source for, or has actually seen printed in some document somewhere: ""negotiable American currency"  ?

Maybe FLYJACK can identify his source because he is using it daily as part of his defense rationale for his foreign hijacker.

If nobody has ever seen this phrase in some document and can provide a copy of it or a source people can see, then the only source may be: Tom Kaye on his website going clear back to 2011. Kaye's statement in 2011 is: ""Cooper requested "negotiable American currency". This was the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent."   (what does accents have to do with Cooper supposedly saying "negotiable American currency"  )

Back in 2011 we asked Tom "what are the 'Cooper transcripts' ? Are you referring to the PI (ATC flight comms) Transcripts? After asking several more times Tom finally explained 'No. He was not referring to the PI flight communications Transcripts'. He was referring to the sum total of FBI documents he and Carol had been allowed to see and read privately at the Seattle office of the FBI ! Those docs are not in the public domain.

So, unless somebody can document the phrase "negotiable American currency",  then apparently Tom Kaye is the only source for this phrase. Except that Tom has never produced anything to ground his and Carol's assertion.  The whole discussion over the years about "negotiable American currency" been due to an unproven claim Kaye and Carol started in 2011 ... without any proof or documentation at all. ?   

Here's the whole passage from Kaye's 2011 website:

""Cooper requested "negotiable American currency". This was the most notable line to come out of the Cooper transcripts where passengers on the plane, including the flight attendants, stated that Cooper had no distinguishable accent. Since no American citizen would use those terms, it suggests that Cooper was not originally from this country. If he was from another country, then his lack of accent points to French Canada as one of the few places in the world where you could hail from and not have an accent. The French Canadians without accents are the Franco-Manitobans, the Franco-Albertans, and possibly the Franco-Ontarians. They would be likely to not have an accent when speaking English. These communities live in a predominantly anglophone environment and tend to become native speakers. This also lines up with the fact that the Dan Cooper comic was only published in French, making Cooper's unusual request very interesting.  (By Carol Abraczinskas Scientific/Biological Illustrator, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI )"

Since nobody has provided a source for "negotiable American currency" - not even FJ at DZ .... then the source of this must Tom Kaye and  Carol Abraczinskas  (2011) Scientific/Biological Illustrator, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, MI. 

Pending any documentation the phrase even exists in the Cooper literature, except in the minds of TK and Carol and FLYJACK, ... this phrase must be wiped from the Cooper lexicon.  As an unproven invention of TK and Carol. and FLYJACK!

We need to compile a list of actual phrases attributed to Cooper or mentioned in witness testimony, and stop providing 'propeller theories' for public consumption.

Georger: The way this is written makes it sound like Tom and Carol made this whole thing up about "negotiable currency."  There are written crew notes, not 302's that use that exact terminology.  Those are from the actual night of the hijacking.  I agree that we do not know for sure what Cooper said in this case, because some of it was passed from one stew to another or from a stew to the cockpit.  But clearly there is documentation of this term, as I posted yesterday with pictures.  Those crew notes are easily searchable online, and are available in Martin Andrade's book.  You yourself responded to my post on this.

To note: I do not think Cooper was Canadian, or even foreign born, and I do not read into the "negotiable currency." as it is simply too short of a phrase to draw a reasonable conclusion from.  I have never once in my life confused a non-American for an American, except Canadians, and that was only for a short time.  I do however put this phrase into the same group as other early observations about Cooper that frankly I believe have led most of the public down the wrong path, and in essence protecting Cooper all these years.  The FBI and the public were looking for a Canadian at times.  A seasoned parachutist.  A commando.  A career criminal.  Etc. Etc.

There are written crew notes, not 302's that use that exact terminology.  Those are from the actual night of the hijacking.

Could you show them to us?  Where are they?  In crew notes? What crew notes where? In some document somewhere?  Show us "negotiable American currency" in any document.

This should be simple if it exists somewhere? I cant find it. I dont know anyone who can find it either. Maybe we are all blind?

It either exists outside of Tom Kaye website, or it doesn't! Why would TK be the only person on Earth that has seen this in some document he can;t produce?

Moreover, the source may be Carol A, not Tom Kaye!  Carol was the one supposedly working on the Comic history and reviewing FBI 302's and other documents. What document does "negotiable American currency" come from? Cite it!

Im not going to take anybody's word this document exists - until they show it or cite it or something! We need AUTHENTIFICATION 

This is important. This is crucial to people's arguments!

Georger: What more do you need to see?  Open the attachment.