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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2295 on: November 30, 2019, 02:27:49 PM »
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DB Houston had a serious crush on Tina, too. I love this guy....

Doug Perry wrote about him for the Oregonian in 2018. How did you hear about this, Marty?

Latest FBI documents just released... They had a clipping by him and it mentioned his book on the subject. Zero copies on Amazon. Zero on ABEbooks.  It would be one of the first books on DB Cooper and by local journalist... it should be an interesting resource.

Who are we talking about here? That was in love with Tina?  Wrote a book? Found a parachute? A Cooper fan?

John Glen ? – found parachute back in 1972 on Mt Hood ?  was judged not Cooper’s.   
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2296 on: November 30, 2019, 02:39:27 PM »
It's a book... Probably nothing to it, but it sounds interesting...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2297 on: November 30, 2019, 02:51:02 PM »
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It's a book... Probably nothing to it, but it sounds interesting...

A John Glen ? – found parachute back in 1972 on Mt Hood ?  was judged not Cooper’s. This guy is real.

Glen or Glenn, was a serious Cooper investigator. Launched dives in the Columbia independent of Tosaw looking for Cooper artifacts. He talked to crew members. He wanted to resolve Ariel landing vs Columbia landing but never could ... he has a story.   
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2298 on: November 30, 2019, 04:15:14 PM »
Georger, the use of the pronouns "he, his, him" refer to the last male name mentioned. Hence, when Marty says "Latest FBI documents just released... They had a clipping by him..." the gentleman we are talking about is DB Houston.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2299 on: November 30, 2019, 04:29:02 PM »
Well, now I want to hear about this Glen character too...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2300 on: November 30, 2019, 07:18:03 PM »
Me, too.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2301 on: November 30, 2019, 11:33:22 PM »
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Well, now I want to hear about this Glen character too...

will get to him - have a long list of 30+ people, in addition to Tosaw!, most independent searchers, who explored the Columbia and its environs from Feb 1980 to about 2003, looking for anything Cooper. Glen was highly motivated. He searched a number of areas in Washington. He knew others who were searching. Many of these guys communicated at various times to coordinate their efforts. Glen rushed to the scene after Hicks found the placard. Interesting people with stories to tell.  ................ all of this for a future post.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2302 on: December 01, 2019, 08:25:46 PM »
This post is in relation to the conversation being had on the Clues,Documents, and Evidence thread today.         Isn't there some significance to the fact that Cooper chose to jump in the dark? He could have hijacked the earlier flight and jumped while it was still light outside yet he chose the latter flight (knowing it would be dark when he jumped). Would you (anyone) make that choice to jump in that area after dark without being familiar with the area? I just personally think there is some significance to the choice he made in regard to jumping after dark.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2303 on: December 01, 2019, 11:51:07 PM »
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This post is in relation to the conversation being had on the Clues,Documents, and Evidence thread today.         Isn't there some significance to the fact that Cooper chose to jump in the dark? He could have hijacked the earlier flight and jumped while it was still light outside yet he chose the latter flight (knowing it would be dark when he jumped). Would you (anyone) make that choice to jump in that area after dark without being familiar with the area? I just personally think there is some significance to the choice he made in regard to jumping after dark.

Once the airliner climbed out of SEATAC and got above the clouds and overcast, there is absolutely no way that Cooper could have known his geographical location within 20 or 30 miles.  His obvious intent was to jump near Seattle shortly after take off but that didn't work out.  So Cooper was jumping blind and had no idea of the landscape or elevation of the terrain that was under him when he jumped.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2304 on: December 02, 2019, 03:14:15 AM »
What other flight path were they going to fly until they were done with their calculations? There was a time early in the flight when they weren't sure they would have enough fuel to make Reno. Until they were sure what other path would they take? Why couldn't he have known this? Given the orders to fly with the stairs down, the flaps at 15 or 30 degrees, altitude at 10,000 feet, speed around 170 mph, and head south, what other flight path were they going to fly? (at least until the calculations were done) You don't think he could have anticipated this?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2305 on: December 02, 2019, 09:33:57 AM »
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This post is in relation to the conversation being had on the Clues,Documents, and Evidence thread today.         Isn't there some significance to the fact that Cooper chose to jump in the dark? He could have hijacked the earlier flight and jumped while it was still light outside yet he chose the latter flight (knowing it would be dark when he jumped). Would you (anyone) make that choice to jump in that area after dark without being familiar with the area? I just personally think there is some significance to the choice he made in regard to jumping after dark.

Once the airliner climbed out of SEATAC and got above the clouds and overcast, there is absolutely no way that Cooper could have known his geographical location within 20 or 30 miles.  His obvious intent was to jump near Seattle shortly after take off but that didn't work out.  So Cooper was jumping blind and had no idea of the landscape or elevation of the terrain that was under him when he jumped.

This is debatable.  30 miles? 10 miles maybe.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2306 on: December 02, 2019, 10:27:37 AM »
If Cooper planed on jumping early then he only had minutes to see the terrain. The plane levels off at 7,000 early in the flight. The ceiling was 5,000.

The Tacoma comment of 20 minutes..was he talking about air or ground.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2307 on: December 02, 2019, 12:49:08 PM »
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What other flight path were they going to fly until they were done with their calculations? There was a time early in the flight when they weren't sure they would have enough fuel to make Reno. Until they were sure what other path would they take? Why couldn't he have known this? Given the orders to fly with the stairs down, the flaps at 15 or 30 degrees, altitude at 10,000 feet, speed around 170 mph, and head south, what other flight path were they going to fly? (at least until the calculations were done) You don't think he could have anticipated this?

After being told that Cooper would probably blow up the aircraft when he jumped, Rataczak suggested that they climb above the overcast and then fly out over the Pacific Ocean and stay there until he jumped.  Do you think Cooper could have anticipated that?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2308 on: December 02, 2019, 02:28:27 PM »
As per Robert99's last post...      Do you really think anyone took his suggestion seriously? It was quickly shot down by his superior. 
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2309 on: December 02, 2019, 02:40:02 PM »
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As per Robert99's last post...      Do you really think anyone took his suggestion seriously? It was quickly shot down by his superior.

Hell yes!

Do you understand that Cooper blowing up the airliner could result in the deaths of not just the flight crew but a lot of people on the ground from the falling debris?  This is probably the main reason that the flight crew would NEVER fly over the city of Portland when they could easily stay west of Portland and shorten their flight route by a few miles and a minute or two of time.

Anyone who suggests that the flight path showing the airliner flying over Portland is correct doesn't understand what was happening!
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