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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2160 on: May 21, 2019, 12:39:16 PM »
DB Cooper Trail is a good idea. But most successful tour "trails" have an alcohol (and now a developing Cannabis) component. Need a string of brewpubs or something similar along the Cooper path. Kentucky's Bourbon Trail has become wildly successful.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2161 on: May 21, 2019, 03:47:14 PM »
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DB Cooper Trail is a good idea. But most successful tour "trails" have an alcohol (and now a developing Cannabis) component. Need a string of brewpubs or something similar along the Cooper path. Kentucky's Bourbon Trail has become wildly successful.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2162 on: May 21, 2019, 04:33:20 PM »
Who knows, the right owner or investors could turn the Ariel Store into a gold mine if this Cooper Trail thing ignites. I think Blevins is right that there is little hope of reviving it under its current ownership and mgmt. In that climate and with no maintenance it won't take long for dry rot to render it beyond economic repair. 

Sure enjoyed the DB Cooper Days party there during Geoff Gray's Portland Symposium. So glad I got to experience it and meet Dona before the store shut down.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2163 on: May 31, 2019, 12:34:00 AM »
I have never studied the supposed Cooper letters, is there any evidence that any of these letters contain information that only the hijacker or the FBI could have known (i.e. "you can keep the tie") or "sorry about the mess (regarding the broken-open parachute)" or something similar?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2164 on: May 31, 2019, 05:48:56 PM »
Yes and No, Marty.

Yes, if you believe that Wolfgang Gossett was DBC. Wolfie supposed stashed the loot in a Vancouver, BC bank, according to his chullins. Hence, the Letter from Vancouver is important in that regard.

Yes, if you follow Al Di down his very large Rabbit Hole to discovered secondary and tertiary meanings, ala Petey and Vietnam references, plus the System to Beat the System ad in Playboy, etc...

No, for most everything that most folks would consider a straightforward NORJAK reference that only Coop would know.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2165 on: May 31, 2019, 11:42:55 PM »
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I have never studied the supposed Cooper letters, is there any evidence that any of these letters contain information that only the hijacker or the FBI could have known (i.e. "you can keep the tie") or "sorry about the mess (regarding the broken-open parachute)" or something similar?

I assume most of the socalled Cooper letters are from cranks. That is one reason why LE officials are often reluctant to acknowledge them.

Kassin, a distinguished professor of psychology at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice found that people implicate themselves in important crimes, when there is something important lacking in their own lives.  That includes vulnerable suspects or people who perceive they are of equal importance to actual suspects, teenagers and even adults who are processing fantasies, people with intellectual impairments or mental illness and a low self worth. These personality types are more likely to make false confessions, especially if they are under some pressure or seeking to prove themselves. Social media groups devoted to discussing particular crimes are likely to have these people join and post. Some even fantacize that solving a crime is important to their lives and self worth.

These people are often self-centered with a very low self esteem, vulnerable to suggestion, and looking for approval. Some of these people can be extremely aggressive - the smartest person in the room syndrome.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2166 on: June 01, 2019, 04:39:01 PM »
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Yes and No, Marty.

Yes, if you believe that Wolfgang Gossett was DBC. Wolfie supposed stashed the loot in a Vancouver, BC bank, according to his chullins. Hence, the Letter from Vancouver is important in that regard.

Yes, if you follow Al Di down his very large Rabbit Hole to discovered secondary and tertiary meanings, ala Petey and Vietnam references, plus the System to Beat the System ad in Playboy, etc...

No, for most everything that most folks would consider a straightforward NORJAK reference that only Coop would know.

That's a 'no' in my book.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2167 on: June 20, 2019, 10:07:52 AM »
Do we have writing samples from Sheridan Peterson?
 

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« Reply #2168 on: June 25, 2019, 12:53:16 PM »
I don't have one. His book annotations, which I saw but did not copy, did not look like the newspaper letter writing that some attribute to DB Cooper.

Just got back from a vacation in Spain. A three-week break from the Vortex. I have completed withdrawal but, like a hardcore junkie, have returned to stick the needle in once again.

Steel reeling from that jumpship crash in HI. I have made many jumps from that very aircraft. It was our jumpship at my home DZ at Byron CA until 2016 when it suffered a stall on jump run (pilot error) and rolled inverted into a spin. Fortunately, the jumpers managed to get out. Had they not exited, the aft of limits CG would have made spin recovery impossible. The pilot made several attempts to recover control and finally succeeded but overstressed the airframe in the pullout and ripped the right elevator and right horizontal stabilizer completely off of the aircraft.  Miraculously, he was able to safely land the aircraft. I never dreamed that the twisted aircraft could be repaired and returned to service but it was. It was then ferried to HI. The ferry pilots were spooked by black smoke emerging from the instrument panel far offshore, but the problem resolved itself. The tragic crash may be unrelated to the prior major structural damage and repairs, but possible structural failure will surely be a focus of the investigation.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2169 on: June 26, 2019, 07:49:36 AM »
Welcome back 377. Your postings have been missed by myself and I suspect by many others. Hope the vacation went well. I can empathize with the addiction part. At least you shouldn't have any trouble finding a needle around here. (not sure how clean it will be though)
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2170 on: June 26, 2019, 12:16:19 PM »
Thanks Haggarknew. Vacation was great. 8 days in Barcelona and 10 days cruising the Med Coast of Spain stopping in a new town every morning. wMy wife and I walked at least 5 miles every day and often more. Ran into another skydiver over there, he spotted my World Free Fall Convention baseball cap. This guy started in the late 60s, like I did, using military surplus gear. I asked him if he had any opinions about DB Cooper. He opined that Cooper was likely but not necessarily a skydiver, but he was certain that Cooper had some familiarity with aircraft, parachutes and jumping.

Is there a needle exchange in the Vortex? I'm very liberal but the coddling of heroin (and now fentanyl) addicts bothers me. What were formerly needle EXCHANGES in many areas are now just free dispensaries, you don't have to bring in a used needle to get new ones. Guess what the result is? Used needles everywhere.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2171 on: June 27, 2019, 10:27:44 PM »
Welcome back, 377. I was thinking of you when I heard about the incident in Hawaii. Same exact aircraft as the one you are familiar with? Wow.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2172 on: June 28, 2019, 07:39:01 AM »
I am curious as to where most of you hard core vortex dwellers were hanging out online in the early to mid 2000's. Was the Dropzone in existence yet?   Or Sluggo's site?   Hager enjoyed following many of the discussions although I don't believe he posted anything. I asked him whose posts he enjoyed the most. I believe his favorite was Mark Bennett's.(please forgive me if I misspelled your name Mr. Bennett)       Hag asked me to present his story to you guys (and gals).  He was very impressed by the work of the various investigators doing work on the case at that time. He believed that if the case was ever to be solved that it would be done by you guys. I am just trying to get a clearer understanding of who he meant by you guys. (remembering this was around 2005 or so)       
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2173 on: June 29, 2019, 03:10:38 AM »
I came into the picture in August 2008. The DZ was in Full Tilt Boogie at that point, but I think it only started its DB Cooper thread in 2007. Jo Weber says she started it with Ckret/Larry Carr. Fact? Who knows. But Larry was posting regularly by the time I showed up and was joined by Sluggo, Snowmman, Georger, and 377. A few other posters were sharing their comments on a regular basis, but they are long-gone by now - Orange 1, Amazon, Hominid, Farflung, SafecrackingPLF, etc.

Sluggo's site was also up and running by 2008. I don't know when it started, but Sluggo said that he had been collecting facts, researching, and interviewing people for a very long time.

Galen might know more about the Ancient History of DBC online chatting. He has been following the case for decades.

For the record, the Mountain News-WA started in February 2011, and I think the DZ shut down during that year or 2012. I started posting DBC pieces on the MN in earnest by 2013, and my book first came out in 2015.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2174 on: June 29, 2019, 07:40:18 AM »
Thanks for the reply Bruce.   Hager died early in 2007. The last couple of months before his death he would show me posts from an online forum. I am curious as to what forum he was following. I regret not paying closer attention at the time.   Were there discussions about the case on Sluggo's site or was his site just for viewing?   I am sorry if this doesn't seem related to the case to most of you but from my perspective it is of relevance.