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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1995 on: September 11, 2018, 06:39:27 AM »
This subject is closed....it's going nowhere and nowhere fast...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1996 on: September 11, 2018, 09:15:54 PM »
Going through some FBI docs found a Dec 1981 memo that a US Federal Bank Bag was found at an Xmas tree lot in California, the Xmas trees came from an Oregon tree farm..  The FBI agent tried to contact but was unsuccessful.

I understand the Cooper Ransom bag was canvas with no handles and no draw string..

Was there any writing on the bag?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1997 on: September 11, 2018, 09:17:47 PM »
plain canvas bag...was this the one were a map was provided? I guess not after reading it again lol
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1998 on: September 11, 2018, 09:24:43 PM »
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Going through some FBI docs found a Dec 1981 memo that a US Federal Bank Bag was found at an Xmas tree lot in California, the Xmas trees came from an Oregon tree farm..  The FBI agent tried to contact but was unsuccessful.

I understand the Cooper Ransom bag was canvas with no handles and no draw string..

Was there any writing on the bag?

The bad didn't have any handles? So it was essentially a canvas version of a paper grocery bag?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1999 on: September 11, 2018, 09:28:13 PM »
similar to the photo below..no markings or bank names on it....it's why Cooper was a little upset..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2000 on: September 11, 2018, 09:35:24 PM »
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similar to the photo below..no markings or bank names on it....it's why Cooper was a little upset..

So it's essentially a we're-f'n-with-you-bag? Not exactly a knapsack.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2001 on: September 11, 2018, 09:44:08 PM »
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similar to the photo below..no markings or bank names on it....it's why Cooper was a little upset..

So it's essentially a we're-f'n-with-you-bag? Not exactly a knapsack.

Correct, can even be considered "funny stuff"...he was not happy with the bag...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2002 on: September 11, 2018, 09:44:19 PM »
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similar to the photo below..no markings or bank names on it....it's why Cooper was a little upset..

would have been very difficult to tie up and hang on to...

Do you happen to remember where the "no markings" came from?

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2003 on: September 11, 2018, 09:48:18 PM »
actually, Carr says it wasn't canvas...

"It was not canvas but some type of cloth"
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2004 on: September 11, 2018, 09:52:54 PM »
I don't know if it's taken from early reports or Carr saying it...he does explain why the straps were not on the money so i can't see them using a bag with the banks name on it...


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As for the "shocking " information about the money, I spoke with the individual who carried the money from the bank to the airport the night of the hijacking. When I was talking with him he recounted that they were in the vault running the money through the counting machine and strapping the bundles. I didn't catch it at, first but later in our conversation I caught on to the strapping part and said, "wait a minute." "you were strapping the $20.00 bundles with $2,000 paper straps?" He said "yes" and I almost fell out of my chair.

So I then started putting calls into Brian Ingram. He called me back and we spoke about the discovery of the money. What I found was that the money was not recovered near the water but about 20 to 40 feet from the edge. He said he found it in an area that had recently been covered in water. So I thought, "well not really much of a difference." I then asked for the details about the condition of the money when he found it and he confirmed, after speaking with his parents, that the money absolutely had rubber bands around the bundles. This makes sense because there is no way paper straps would have kept the money together over the years.

So this all means, on face value, that if the money given to Cooper by the bank had paper straps and the found money had rubber bands....... well you could see how I was a bit perplexed. This would mean that either Cooper lived and repackaged the money or someone found the money and repackaged it. Which would be "par for the course" with regard to this case.

I then went back and re-interviewed the bank security manager and found out that he wasn't directly involved in packaging the money, only carrying it to the airport. He was relaying what their normal procedure was for processing and packaging money for shipment.

The funds that were given to Cooper were not pulled from their circulating cash but from a security fund that was prepackaged for these types of incidents. This money was not strapped because the bank did not want any subjects to know where it came from so it was packaged with rubber bands. My head was spinning for a few days until I could get it straight.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2005 on: September 11, 2018, 10:01:01 PM »
I wonder if we'll eventually get our hands on pictures of the evidence? Specifically, I'd like to see pictures of the undisturbed tie with tie clip. I've always suspected that Cooper was left-handed.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2006 on: September 11, 2018, 10:01:46 PM »
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actually, Carr says it wasn't canvas...

"It was not canvas but some type of cloth"

FBI files say canvas
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2007 on: September 11, 2018, 10:03:56 PM »
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actually, Carr says it wasn't canvas...

"It was not canvas but some type of cloth"

FBI files say canvas

could of been what they call "canvas cloth" I don't know...
 

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« Reply #2008 on: September 11, 2018, 10:06:58 PM »
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actually, Carr says it wasn't canvas...

"It was not canvas but some type of cloth"

FBI files say canvas

could of been what they call "canvas cloth" I don't know...

yes, cloth means a woven fabric, includes canvas
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2009 on: September 11, 2018, 10:07:05 PM »
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actually, Carr says it wasn't canvas...

"It was not canvas but some type of cloth"

FBI files say canvas

could of been what they call "canvas cloth" I don't know...

Wouldn't surprise me to discover some document at some point saying it was mylar given the history of this case...yes, I realize mylar probably came along later...
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