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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1365 on: December 05, 2017, 01:46:39 PM »
Yeah, from a distance the Martins and Convairs look VERY similar. 

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« Reply #1366 on: December 06, 2017, 11:22:21 PM »
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Also, another entry talking about employee's..checking flight crews, and people with grievances, layoff etc.

Ive tried to follow some of these suspects to their final conclusion - NOT HIM. In most cases suspects fail on description details or finger prints. All serious suspects were run through that gauntlet. It didnt matter how well a suspect seemed a good match at first - prints and physical evidence, availability/alibi, and other hard data finally decides each and every suspect. A much smaller group is held as Undecided - Further Investigation. But in all cases it comes down to prints and other hard evidence that either matches or doesn't. The manpower devoted to this involving countless offices and agents etc. was mind boggling!
I wonder if Cooper had some accomplices that helped with this? I am new to this forum and I watched the special on the history channel on DB Cooper and with some things making the news shortly after has got me interested in this case. I also watched the show that had some members of this forum and one question that I have is how long were the steps lowered while the airplane was flying. I saw the theory about Reno and with the weather that was going on that night and I don't buy it.   
 

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« Reply #1367 on: December 06, 2017, 11:51:34 PM »
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Also, another entry talking about employee's..checking flight crews, and people with grievances, layoff etc.

Ive tried to follow some of these suspects to their final conclusion - NOT HIM. In most cases suspects fail on description details or finger prints. All serious suspects were run through that gauntlet. It didnt matter how well a suspect seemed a good match at first - prints and physical evidence, availability/alibi, and other hard data finally decides each and every suspect. A much smaller group is held as Undecided - Further Investigation. But in all cases it comes down to prints and other hard evidence that either matches or doesn't. The manpower devoted to this involving countless offices and agents etc. was mind boggling!
I wonder if Cooper had some accomplices that helped with this? I am new to this forum and I watched the special on the history channel on DB Cooper and with some things making the news shortly after has got me interested in this case. I also watched the show that had some members of this forum and one question that I have is how long were the steps lowered while the airplane was flying. I saw the theory about Reno and with the weather that was going on that night and I don't buy it.

The steps were "unlocked" and put in a free-fall condition about 10 minutes after the airliner took off from SEA-TAC heading to Reno.  The wind blast, at a cruise speed of about 225 MPH True Airspeed, essentially kept the stairs in a nearly closed position except when Cooper was on them.  As the aircraft was turning off the runway after landing in Reno, the stairs contacted the runway without any serious damage.  The aircraft was flown back to Seattle the next day (Thursday, Thanksgiving Day), the minor damage to the stairs was repaired, and it was returned to passenger service the following day (Friday).
 

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« Reply #1368 on: December 07, 2017, 12:30:45 AM »
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Yeah, from a distance the Martins and Convairs look VERY similar. 

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Question: was the FDR saved and where would it be today?

Do you recall what it was Soderlind thought he found in the FDR data that provided him with a clock on when the jump occurred? (if that happened in Soderlind's analysis at Minneapolis)
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1369 on: December 07, 2017, 03:11:35 AM »
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I wonder if Cooper had some accomplices that helped with this? I am new to this forum and I watched the special on the history channel on DB Cooper and with some things making the news shortly after has got me interested in this case....


Welcome to the Forum, DC.

There is no definitive evidence to say there were any accomplices, but theories abound - and in two categories. One is help in performing the skyjacking. Lots of people have posed flight crew as accomplices, but I see no compelling reason to entertain that scenario.

A related option is the idea that equipment and supplies might have been placed in the overhead bins. Again, I see that as a long shot.

For me the most compelling speculation is: did DB Cooper have a getaway team? I say this idea has some merit because I feel Cooper had unique capabilities - he had advanced knowledge of how to jump from a 727. In fact, his knowledge that a 727 could be flown with the aft stairs down was top-secret information.

So, if Cooper had access to top-secret info he might have also had access to a network of top-secret operatives, such as commandos who might have been an extraction team - well-equipped and ready to rock and roll.

I encourage you to read my book where these possibilities are examined in detail. My online news magazine, The Mountain News-WA, also has many DB Cooper postings and is free to read.

In addition, I recommend Geoffrey Gray's SKYJACK, as he describes at least one alleged member of a Cooper getaway team, a fellow named "Jake.".

A warning, though. Much of what is written above is considered controversial, and is strongly mocked here.

Lastly, I don't buy the Reno jump theory at all, and I believe it seriously detracts from the "Expedition Unknown" show. Along those lines I have encouraged the Travel Channel and EU to re-enact the Cooper jump: at night, in the rain, in November, using a round canopy, over the woods in Ariel, wearing a thin business suit.
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« Reply #1370 on: December 07, 2017, 12:14:49 PM »
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Yeah, from a distance the Martins and Convairs look VERY similar. 

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Question: was the FDR saved and where would it be today?

Do you recall what it was Soderlind thought he found in the FDR data that provided him with a clock on when the jump occurred? (if that happened in Soderlind's analysis at Minneapolis)

The FDR tape should have been saved and be in either, or both, the FAA files on this incident and/or in the FBI investigative files.
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« Reply #1371 on: December 07, 2017, 05:52:27 PM »
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I wonder if Cooper had some accomplices that helped with this? I am new to this forum and I watched the special on the history channel on DB Cooper and with some things making the news shortly after has got me interested in this case....


Welcome to the Forum, DC.

There is no definitive evidence to say there were any accomplices, but theories abound - and in two categories. One is help in performing the skyjacking. Lots of people have posed flight crew as accomplices, but I see no compelling reason to entertain that scenario.

A related option is the idea that equipment and supplies might have been placed in the overhead bins. Again, I see that as a long shot.

For me the most compelling speculation is: did DB Cooper have a getaway team? I say this idea has some merit because I feel Cooper had unique capabilities - he had advanced knowledge of how to jump from a 727. In fact, his knowledge that a 727 could be flown with the aft stairs down was top-secret information.

So, if Cooper had access to top-secret info he might have also had access to a network of top-secret operatives, such as commandos who might have been an extraction team - well-equipped and ready to rock and roll.

I encourage you to read my book where these possibilities are examined in detail. My online news magazine, The Mountain News-WA, also has many DB Cooper postings and is free to read.

In addition, I recommend Geoffrey Gray's SKYJACK, as he describes at least one alleged member of a Cooper getaway team, a fellow named "Jake.".

A warning, though. Much of what is written above is considered controversial, and is strongly mocked here.

Lastly, I don't buy the Reno jump theory at all, and I believe it seriously detracts from the "Expedition Unknown" show. Along those lines I have encouraged the Travel Channel and EU to re-enact the Cooper jump: at night, in the rain, in November, using a round canopy, over the woods in Ariel, wearing a thin business suit.
I will look at getting your book. Thanks for the welcome. I am new to researching DB Cooper and wish to find out as much information as I can before forming an opinion. I am also going to get The Last Master Outlaw. I don't know if Colbert is right about his theory on Rackstraw but there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that was shown on the History Channel's show.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1372 on: December 07, 2017, 08:23:37 PM »
Did you go to our website and look in the vault? tons of info in there for you to catch up on....
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1373 on: December 07, 2017, 10:06:36 PM »
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I am new to researching DB Cooper and wish to find out as much information as I can before forming an opinion. I am also going to get The Last Master Outlaw. I don't know if Colbert is right about his theory on Rackstraw but there was a lot of circumstantial evidence that was shown on the History Channel's show.


Last Master Outlaw is an excellent book, but it is not about DB Cooper. It is mostly about the criminal history of Robert Rackstraw.
 

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« Reply #1374 on: December 08, 2017, 12:46:17 AM »
 
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« Reply #1375 on: December 08, 2017, 03:27:08 AM »
Thanks, Shut. That's Chris Ingalls hosting the interview. He's been on the DB Cooper case for decades.

As for Richard DeCample, the fuel truck driver, he has been non-responsive to my phone inquiries.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1376 on: December 08, 2017, 01:02:31 PM »
Bruce wrote: "Last Master Outlaw is an excellent book, but it is not about DB Cooper. It is mostly about the criminal history of Robert Rackstraw."

It is indeed a great read. Tons of great reviews on Amazon. Rackstraw was a SOCIOPATHIC HURRICANE with all the skills needed to do NORJACK. His age is the stumbling block for me however. I sometimes wonder if Rackstraw were DBC, whether the bomb would have been real (he was an explosives expert) and the remains of the 727 and its crew would have been scattered over the NW landscape. The book clearly tags him as a cold-blooded murderer.

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« Reply #1377 on: December 08, 2017, 04:31:45 PM »
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Bruce wrote: "Last Master Outlaw is an excellent book, but it is not about DB Cooper. It is mostly about the criminal history of Robert Rackstraw."

It is indeed a great read. Tons of great reviews on Amazon. Rackstraw was a SOCIOPATHIC HURRICANE with all the skills needed to do NORJACK. His age is the stumbling block for me however. I sometimes wonder if Rackstraw were DBC, whether the bomb would have been real (he was an explosives expert) and the remains of the 727 and its crew would have been scattered over the NW landscape. The book clearly tags him as a cold-blooded murderer.

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Yup. Blowing up 305 and watching it's burning fuselage fall to the ground might have been a fun thing to do on the way down to the ground for a guy who killed his pop, buried him in his winter coat, and then dug a hole in the driveway and dumped him in.

I think he also killed his pop's dog, too, if I remember correctly. Airborne Bob ain't no angel.
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« Reply #1378 on: December 09, 2017, 06:14:59 AM »
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Thanks, Shut. That's Chris Ingalls hosting the interview. He's been on the DB Cooper case for decades.

As for Richard DeCample, the fuel truck driver, he has been non-responsive to my phone inquiries.


Someone non-responsive to Bruce Smith -- kind of a common occurrence.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1379 on: December 09, 2017, 04:39:08 PM »
At least I have you, Meyer. You always respond to my posts...