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Howdy, everybody.

I've been looking at the Cooper case as something so flawed that must be taken back to formula, so to speak, so please excuse some of the basic questions I tend to post at times. One of the things that stands out is that none of the sources that I have found have actually detailed the FBI search of the plane. I have read many times that agents found the tie, magazines, drink glass, et cetera, and that they "searched the plane" for Cooper.

Has anybody here read a full description or checklist of places onboard the plane where they searched for people or explosives? For example: "We entered through the rear stairs, cleared the lavatories, then the cabin row-by-row, proceeded on to the cargo areas..."  All I get is vague statements, like, "The FBI searched the plane and Cooper was gone." Geoffrey Gray's documents touch on it a little bit, mentioning compartments where he doubtfully could have hidden, but has anyone seen anything more complete?

Thats about it - you're right. Few detailed docs available on this or people would have said more. There were exchanges with Boeing and NWA about where to look - so panels in the back area were removed to see if Cooper was hiding in these recess areas or had been in that area. Results were negative. I believe the toilets were drained and contents examined also. 

FBI docs released to date are general and dont contain much detail ... no Lab reports released just general summaries of Lab reports eg. 'finger prints of subject dont match those on file' issued in triplicate to every office involved.   

below is an example of discussion about the paneled area search ... which was missed during the first entry and search at Reno.

Thanks for the attachment. I think this is different communication for the same search of those panels I read about. I'm interested in the cargo area. Depressurization would have made access possible to a lot of places, but it looks like I'd have to talk to the agents who were in Reno for any information on what was searched and when. I haven't found any Agent names yet. Suppose I'll keep looking, but any shortcuts are appreciated.

Another thing - Anybody know where the Reno airport was "covered" by the FBI? This I am literally finding nothing on. I did see someone put up some helpful airport info a while back.

P.S. - The blueprints of a 727 are amazingly clear once you stare at them long enough, like one of those dot paintings at the mall.

I doubt if the cargo area, which is located under the cabin floor, was accessible from inside the cabin.  And no cargo, or baggage in  the cargo compartment, was removed from the aircraft during the time it was on the ground in Seattle.

It is a safe bet that the FBI had a "presence" at the Reno airport and at Seattle as well.  It is also a safe bet that snipers were on the scene at both locations although that is not mentioned anywhere to the best of my knowledge.

Has anybody come across any fingerprint information in their searches of the 302's, document dumps or anything else?  Fingerprint info can appear a bit strange, like gibberish, with character pairs like CO, CI, PO, PM, etc.  Sometimes it gets scrawled in the margins.  I haven't seen anything yet.

Unsurelock,
As you pointed out there are numerous references to fingerprints in the FBI docs. Many are not related to the aircraft, but letters sent to various newspapers (another topic altogether!). Other docs refer to the prints as eliminating current suspects.

One doc states the ashtray produced no latent prints of value. Another dated May 1977 states there were 8 latent fingerprints connected with the case. (See below. Highlights my own). But no where can I find specifically where the prints were lifted.

I look forward to other document releases for more information.
 

Unsurelock,
As you pointed out there are numerous references to fingerprints in the FBI docs. Many are not related to the aircraft, but letters sent to various newspapers (another topic altogether!). Other docs refer to the prints as eliminating current suspects.

One doc states the ashtray produced no latent prints of value. Another dated May 1977 states there were 8 latent fingerprints connected with the case. (See below. Highlights my own). But no where can I find specifically where the prints were lifted.

I look forward to other document releases for more information.

Thanks for the reply, David. The print info I'm talking about sometimes gets scrawled on an arrest record. The lab is able to break down the prints into a description, much like listing which copy of a y-chromosome you have and so forth in genetics. So a fingerprint can have its data translated and communicated, and sometimes does on documents like these, without the recognizable images of a fingertip.

I suppose I'm hoping for too much that the FBI would release an actual description of the partial prints taken.

RE: Harold Anderson
Been researching the engineer and his experience during the hijacking. If I'm correct, one or more of the members here interviewed him. All I can find are some references to posting the info years ago and adding some detail to the flight transcripts.
I think I"m just missing them. Still new to the forum world. Any help directing me to the info would be appreciated.

RE: Harold Anderson
Been researching the engineer and his experience during the hijacking. If I'm correct, one or more of the members here interviewed him. All I can find are some references to posting the info years ago and adding some detail to the flight transcripts.
I think I"m just missing them. Still new to the forum world. Any help directing me to the info would be appreciated.

well, this is a Pandora's box. Yes. Well maybe! There were three interviews supposedly done with Andy - I forget the year. They were done by me and another person through a third intermediary who supposedly had Anderson's email address and had interviewed Andy before. Since Andy rarely gives interviews I thought this was an opportunity so we took it. In retrospect maybe it was all too easy! We prepared questions, they were fed to Andy, several days passed, and the answers came back. The whole point of these questions was to try and get clarification from Andy about the flight path, the certainty about the flight path at the time, any validation of the flight path Andy was aware of, and the exact time and place of Cooper's jump. All conveyed to Andy through the intermediary (which I thought strange at the time). The intermediary was insistent Andy would not participate in any other way ...

( I will skip all of the answers 'Andy' supposedly gave)

Andy's supposed answers were fed to three people who evaluated them. More questions were prepared and fed to the intermediary to give to Andy. Answers came back from Andy again. The intermediary then suddenly informed us that Andy was tired and would prefer to terminate the interview. That ended the interview. ...

About a year later the Intermediary was caught red handed in a conspiracy to 'fuck up' and publicly humiliate another well known individual who the Intermediary had been having a feud with. It became obvious the Intermediary did not mind involving us in his half-baked conspiracy! Substantial damage was done to a number of innocent people involved in the Intermediary's circle of associates. That included people here at this forum! The Intermediary was banned from this forum - forever! The credibility of the Intermediary was now severely compromised. The Intermediary never has acknowledged his errors or apologised. The intermediary deals with Bruce Smith on a regular basis.

So, we now have reason to suspect that all of the supposed interviews with Andy were 'all made up' - an invention all perpetrated by the Intermediary, in order to embarrass and screw up other Cooper researchers. For this reason nothing the Intermediary says or does is taken as credible to this day, and it has spilled over and affected several other people in the socalled Cooper vortex. The intermediary obviously did not mind sacrificing our friendships and support in order to try achieve some half-backed retaliation he wanted against another Cooper personality, RobertMBlevins! We simply were not going to participate in this fantasy or get involved in someone's feud planning to strike back at Mr. Blevins. The supposed interviews with Andy were all thrown into the ash can as a result. We suspect these socalled interviews were all an invention, likewise. It's sad. All in a day's work in the DB Cooper vortex where people sometimes cannot be trusted. 

On the backside of this we know the same Intermediary has provided some highly credible fully authenticated information about other matters in the past. Its almost irreconcilable.   
           

So, who is the Intermediary? He deals with Bruce Smith on a regular basis, you say? Hmmm. Tell me more, as I am unaware of this whole episode that you are describing and I am Bruce Smith!

As for interviewing Andy Anderson, I tried. I had addresses for him in Minnesota and then Hawaii. Nothing panned out. I mailed a copy of my book to the last address I had for Andy, but heard nothing back. Eventually the last email address I had for him bounced back.

Currently, I sense he is deceased. No confirmation on that at all. Just my gut.

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... and you have access to all of the data bases you would need worldwide even if you had the prints? 

What I have access to is not your concern, . Conducting yourself as an adult should instead be your concern. That includes not passive-aggressively masking an attack on my intelligence with a winky sign.

Unsurelock,

Let me assure you that Georger has not made an attack on your intelligence.

You seem to be overly and unnecessarily sensitive about something.  Just rest assured that everyone on Shutter's site is very polite, or else you will be hearing from Shutter himself.

If you really want to see how a bunch of hard nosed s.o.b.'s operate, just take a look at the Cooper sites (now locked) on DropZone.

So lighten up a bit please.

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