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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1245 on: July 02, 2017, 06:55:03 PM »
Georger said: It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma...


The absolute best quote I've ever heard on this or the DZ forum in all these years.  The best description of our situation here.  I'm stealing it, Georger.  You wax eloquent prose.  Classic!

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1246 on: July 02, 2017, 09:16:26 PM »
I think that was Winston Churchill, wasn't it?
 

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« Reply #1247 on: July 02, 2017, 10:49:41 PM »
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I think that was Winston Churchill, wasn't it?

Yes.  And I think he was referring to the Soviet Union under Stalin.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1248 on: July 02, 2017, 11:25:29 PM »
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Georger said: It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma...


The absolute best quote I've ever heard on this or the DZ forum in all these years.  The best description of our situation here.  I'm stealing it, Georger.  You wax eloquent prose.  Classic!

Meyer

Meyer you are welcome to it - the quote is from Churchill - referring to Stalin and the Soviet Union, WWII. 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1249 on: July 03, 2017, 03:01:27 AM »
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Georger said: It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma...


The absolute best quote I've ever heard on this or the DZ forum in all these years.  The best description of our situation here.  I'm stealing it, Georger.  You wax eloquent prose.  Classic!

Meyer

Meyer you are welcome to it - the quote is from Churchill - referring to Stalin and the Soviet Union, WWII.


I figured it came from someone in high places, but I heard it from you, Georger, here, on this forum, in the now.  So, I'm giving you the credit.  That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1250 on: September 15, 2017, 09:42:25 PM »
Hello all. New to the Forum so forgive me for repetitions. Lots of good info here by the way. My compliments to all.

Have a question about Capt. William Scott: States here he flew in the China-Burma-Indian theater during WW2. Does anyone have any other detailed info (or where it can be found) about his service there? (i.e., his squadron info, assignments, etc.)

Thank you for your time.
 

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« Reply #1251 on: September 15, 2017, 09:50:30 PM »
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Hello all. New to the Forum so forgive me for repetitions. Lots of good info here by the way. My compliments to all.

Have a question about Capt. William Scott: States here he flew in the China-Burma-Indian theater during WW2. Does anyone have any other detailed info (or where it can be found) about his service there? (i.e., his squadron info, assignments, etc.)

Thank you for your time.

I don't know specifically, but I would say it is likely Scott was flying for the Air Transport Command, a lot of civilian airline pilots ended up there:

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« Reply #1252 on: September 15, 2017, 11:27:17 PM »
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Hello all. New to the Forum so forgive me for repetitions. Lots of good info here by the way. My compliments to all.

Have a question about Capt. William Scott: States here he flew in the China-Burma-Indian theater during WW2. Does anyone have any other detailed info (or where it can be found) about his service there? (i.e., his squadron info, assignments, etc.)

Thank you for your time.

Try here to start - they have Scott's full vita. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login Use the contact email form.  If this fails let us know and I will refer you on to other sources... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

From my notes: 'In 1972, a year after the hijacking, Scott lost his son, grandson, daughter-in-law and her grandmother in a plane crash near St. Louis. Scott, who had begun flying in 1944 for the Army Air Force, flew 34 years for Northwest. He shunned interviews after the hijacking, which remains unsolved. He died on Sunday of prostate cancer at his home in Green Valley, Ariz.' (NYTimes obit)
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I have nothing specific to his service in WWII.
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« Reply #1253 on: September 18, 2017, 12:43:35 PM »
Might get some leads here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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« Reply #1254 on: September 18, 2017, 03:24:59 PM »
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He isn't listed in those pages ...

Maybe Bruce and Cook have better info from SA Eng or the Director of the FBI who Cook says communicates with with him regularly and mixes with socially?  Maybe Cook had Scott's name removed from the list to protect the Cooper case?  ;)
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1255 on: September 18, 2017, 05:11:49 PM »
There were other volumes of names of HUMP pilots not included in that webpage so we cant rule Scott out just yet.

That WW2 flying through the Himalayas in overloaded iced up cargo planes was among the most treacherous in the history of aviation. One of my commercial fishing buddies has loaned me his dad's photos, logs and memorabilia of his days as a HUMP pilot flying C 46s and C 47s. Harrowing stuff, pushing cargo out the rear door of an iced up C 46 that couldn't maintain altitude and was threading its way though Himalayan peaks in a blinding snowstorm at night. This pilot was awarded the DFC for his extraordinary airmanship. Many died flying that route.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1256 on: September 18, 2017, 06:42:20 PM »
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There were other volumes of names of HUMP pilots not included in that webpage so we cant rule Scott out just yet.

That WW2 flying through the Himalayas in overloaded iced up cargo planes was among the most treacherous in the history of aviation. One of my commercial fishing buddies has loaned me his dad's photos, logs and memorabilia of his days as a HUMP pilot flying C 46s and C 47s. Harrowing stuff, pushing cargo out the rear door of an iced up C 46 that couldn't maintain altitude and was threading its way though Himalayan peaks in a blinding snowstorm at night. This pilot was awarded the DFC for his extraordinary airmanship. Many died flying that route.

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I understand that the most reliable navigational device for flying the HUMP was looking for crashed C-46s below.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1257 on: September 20, 2017, 06:18:03 PM »
Still looking at the intersection of USFS Smoke Jumpers, skydivers and CIA front airlines like SAT and Air America. Interesting that Boeing's 727 airdrop flight tests came to light when Don Kirlin, organizer of the World Free Fall Convention  needed to get tech data to satisfy the FAA that 727 jumps could be made safely. Somehow Don, a former military pilot, knew about the Boeing data. When he needed a C 130 Herc for dropping skydivers at his convention, guess what company supplied one?  Southern Air Transport, same outfit that did the 727 airdrops over Thailand.

Small world...

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1258 on: September 23, 2017, 08:39:42 AM »
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There were other volumes of names of HUMP pilots not included in that webpage so we cant rule Scott out just yet.

That WW2 flying through the Himalayas in overloaded iced up cargo planes was among the most treacherous in the history of aviation. One of my commercial fishing buddies has loaned me his dad's photos, logs and memorabilia of his days as a HUMP pilot flying C 46s and C 47s. Harrowing stuff, pushing cargo out the rear door of an iced up C 46 that couldn't maintain altitude and was threading its way though Himalayan peaks in a blinding snowstorm at night. This pilot was awarded the DFC for his extraordinary airmanship. Many died flying that route.

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Thanks 377. Georger posted a link to the national archives. After weeding through a number of 'Scotts' narrowed it down to this one (see the lengthy link below). Year of birth matches and -if I am correct- he was from the upper Midwest.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1259 on: September 24, 2017, 11:02:12 AM »
Does anyone know the identifiable feature or characteristic of Cooper according to the college student sitting across the aisle from Cooper?  It seems I read somewhere he had an unusual feature according to him but not seen this since.