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General Questions About The Case
« on: April 09, 2014, 07:03:34 AM »
Feel free to ask any questions about the case.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2014, 11:05:32 AM »
General Question

What time did DB jump from the airplane?  The FBI thinks it was about 8:12 pm and when we talked with Ralph Hatley, he thought it was about 8:15 pm. That later time would have put DB closer to the Columbia river. Did DB splash in the Columbia? The body should have shown up by now so I don't think he splashed and Sheridan is still living in California. If we could only get him to talk about it!

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2014, 12:40:21 PM »
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General Question

What time did DB jump from the airplane?  The FBI thinks it was about 8:12 pm and when we talked with Ralph Hatley, he thought it was about 8:15 pm. That later time would have put DB closer to the Columbia river. Did DB splash in the Columbia? The body should have shown up by now so I don't think he splashed and Sheridan is still living in California. If we could only get him to talk about it!

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The 8:15 PM time is probably the most accurate with the present information.  The papers from the NWA people at Seattle indicate that the voice transmission of the "23 DME miles south of Portland (referring to what is now the Battleground VORTAC)" was at 8:18 PM and not the 8:22 PM time hack on the teletype version that went through the ARINC system.

Perhaps some more accurate information will become available one of these days.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2014, 02:52:55 PM »
Idea for questions....

Lets try this. Tom Kaye is a member here. he's not a regular poster but I'm sure we could set up a time for several of you to be  here to ask him any questions you might want to ask? Brian Ingram is also a member here, but only posted once. I've hesitated not wanting to breach his privacy, but would like to hear from him as well. I'm sure we can set something up with Tom without any problems.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2014, 04:44:42 PM »
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Idea for questions....

Lets try this. Tom Kaye is a member here. he's not a regular poster but I'm sure we could set up a time for several of you to be  here to ask him any questions you might want to ask? Brian Ingram is also a member here, but only posted once. I've hesitated not wanting to breach his privacy, but would like to hear from him as well. I'm sure we can set something up with Tom without any problems.

Thought  :-\

I would definitely have questions for Kaye. I'll go through his website and see if I can come up with a list.

Here's one of my major boggles: How did Cooper get to the airport in first place? The FBI checked the parking lot, interviewed cab drivers and checked with bus and train people. If Cooper stashed a car away, why was he trying to jump over Seattle and not Portland? If someone dropped him off, that person should have come forward years ago. If he lived in Portland, why was he trying to get out of the plane right away. How thorough was the FBI in investigating the busses/trains/cabbies angle? Did Cooper fly in earlier in the day or the day before? Did the FBI look at local hotels?

Another on of my big problems is the apparent lack of practical experiments. I know a few DZ guys did Cooper-like jumps with various configurations, but has anyone tried to do a jump with 1) a reserve parachute with no D rings to attach it 2) while holding a suitcase 3) testing how much paracord it would take actually secure the money. Etc. Etc.

[I would even say I find the Tina bar find boring, Carr's belief a 'hydrologist' can help him determine where Cooper landed is almost laughable].
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2014, 05:13:38 PM »
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Idea for questions....

Lets try this. Tom Kaye is a member here. he's not a regular poster but I'm sure we could set up a time for several of you to be  here to ask him any questions you might want to ask? Brian Ingram is also a member here, but only posted once. I've hesitated not wanting to breach his privacy, but would like to hear from him as well. I'm sure we can set something up with Tom without any problems.

Thought  :-\

This forum is getting spread out into so many sub-categories it's become hard to follow ...  things that could well be happening under existing categories. Pretty soon we will have sub sections within sub categories etc.  ... all of which fitted under some general category, in the first place.

Since Tom will not post here the guy needs to address Tom on his own territory which is Tom's website.

The guy also needs to avail himself of the search function at Dropzpone for prior posts on specific topics otherwise we will be repeating the entire history of the world here! (each under a new-new sub category under a previous sub-category, under a previous general heading .... )

Im worn out just typing it all@!

And he still has not explained why he wants an "ectro-chemist"?  One from Case, MIT. Cal-Tech, Dow, or Baxter Chemical????>:(   

Hopefully the guy can communicate with Tom and Blevins about elctro-chemistry of ??? and come back here and share what they said ... for the rest of us to ponder over ? In a new sub category?




 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2014, 05:22:36 PM »
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The guy also needs to avail himself of the search function at Dropzpone for prior posts on specific topics otherwise we will be repeating the entire history of the world here! (each under a new-new sub category under a previous sub-category, under a previous general heading .... )

With all due respect...

If you search "Kaye" on the DZ forum, you get some fifty pages of search results. It's now useless even as a repository of knowledge. If someone had been collecting information in real time, and had published an indexed book of just the "good" information, I would read that. I spent months reading through that forum, and it's just not worth the effort. You can't find what you need. With Blevins and Jo Weber producing about half the content, it's... just not fair to tell people "read the DZ forum." It's torture.

The real resources are the people who were active in that forum.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2014, 05:27:23 PM »
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The guy also needs to avail himself of the search function at Dropzpone for prior posts on specific topics otherwise we will be repeating the entire history of the world here! (each under a new-new sub category under a previous sub-category, under a previous general heading .... )

With all due respect...

If you search "Kaye" on the DZ forum, you get some fifty pages of search results. It's now useless even as a repository of knowledge. If someone had been collecting information in real time, and had published an indexed book of just the "good" information, I would read that. I spent months reading through that forum, and it's just not worth the effort. You can't find what you need. With Blevins and Jo Weber producing about half the content, it's... just not fair to tell people "read the DZ forum." It's torture.

The real resources are the people who were active in that forum.

I can agree with that. Georger is also right in spreading the threads out. I will contact Tom and ask him to stop by. PM me with any questions you have and I'll compile them into a questionnaire for him to respond too. I'll post it under the Tina bar thread.

Fair :-\
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2014, 05:32:52 PM »
The problems I'm seeing in this topic area is questions that could be asked on the existing topics. Sailshaw could of easily asked his question under the Flight path thread. it's hard to narrow down a basic question while we have existing areas where they can be asked already in place. perhaps this topic should be removed, or locked for the time being?

Thoughts?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2014, 05:47:53 PM »
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The problems I'm seeing in this topic area is questions that could be asked on the existing topics. Sailshaw could of easily asked his question under the Flight path thread. it's hard to narrow down a basic question while we have existing areas where they can be asked already in place. perhaps this topic should be removed, or locked for the time being?

Thoughts?

Most, but not all, of my questions could be put into categories. However, I think a case can be made for having a Q&A thread like this so people can go to one place to seek answers to specific questions without changing the trajectories of existing threads. It's something I noticed on DZ, there would be a few pages of good information, and it would get derailed by something like a question or inane comment and the discussion stops and devolves to meaninglessness.

 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2014, 05:53:52 PM »
And really, if I want to be lectured about how "we already covered that question eight years ago", I want it to be in the kiddie pool, not a major thread.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2014, 05:55:57 PM »
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The problems I'm seeing in this topic area is questions that could be asked on the existing topics. Sailshaw could of easily asked his question under the Flight path thread. it's hard to narrow down a basic question while we have existing areas where they can be asked already in place. perhaps this topic should be removed, or locked for the time being?

Thoughts?

Most, but not all, of my questions could be put into categories. However, I think a case can be made for having a Q&A thread like this so people can go to one place to seek answers to specific questions without changing the trajectories of existing threads. It's something I noticed on DZ, there would be a few pages of good information, and it would get derailed by something like a question or inane comment and the discussion stops and devolves to meaninglessness.

Agreed again, I don't want that happening here. I want to take advantage of the "Fanfics" you see at the top of the forum, or on the menu bar. I haven't figured it out as of yet, but it's a good way to store basic facts, and stories about the case that will not get lost in the threads.

DZ has had the problem with personal attacks going back into the original locked thread. it's now nothing but discussion about this forum, or what one poster thinks about his solid case of a suspect being Cooper. It's controlled by basically by two posters. the well has basically dried up..... 8)
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2014, 06:04:58 PM »
I've said my peace. I trust in Shutter.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2014, 09:25:10 PM »
So here's a question I have that doesn't fit anywhere:

Today ties aren't universal. Most people who wear ties regularly, knot them properly. I know of nobody who wears ties and mixes knotted and clip-on ties. The only people I know who wear clip-on ties are kids working as bus boys in restaurants.

When ties were more universal, did people regularly buy both for convenience?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2014, 10:07:12 PM »
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So here's a question I have that doesn't fit anywhere:

Today ties aren't universal. Most people who wear ties regularly, knot them properly. I know of nobody who wears ties and mixes knotted and clip-on ties. The only people I know who wear clip-on ties are kids working as bus boys in restaurants.

When ties were more universal, did people regularly buy both for convenience?

Common in the late 60's and to this day, bartenders and servers working in the more prestigious restaurants/nightclubs, law enforcement and probation officers wore clip on ties. They sell them at the uniform shop that supply uniforms to the St. Paul police and Ramsey County Sheriff's deputies.
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