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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3405 on: October 17, 2020, 01:12:12 PM »
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So you have now come out of the closet and are claiming that the FBI flight path depicted on the yellow chart is not necessarily the actual FBI flight path?
I have no need to "come out of the closet", but I can only speak for myself here.

Do I think a set of dots, hastily connected with pencil, is the exact flight path that 305 took that night? No. Do I think it generally represents the fact that 305 stayed along the 8 mile wide V23 for the vast majority of its journey above Washington? Yes.

You would have to be a fool to think that the yellow map is some perfectly accurate assessment or to think that 305 had to flight straight down the centerline of V23. The fact that you become unhinged at the idea that the FBI flight path and V23 don't perfectly align is silly, frankly. And the fact that you spend so much energy trying to dunk on this penciled route in order to bolster your own claims is equally silly.  I mean the centerline of V23 shown on the yellow map doesn't even match V23 today. Yet, you hold the FBI yellow map to a much higher standard than you do your own route. You require it to be perfect. It's not, but it fairly accurate indicates a flight down the V23 airway. Ask my fellow South Floridian Shutter to explain a hurricane's "cone of uncertainty" to you. Maybe then you'll understand.

Stop getting your panties in a twist about every little discrepancy with the penciled-in map and just accept that the plane was somewhere along V23 that night.

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And you are also claiming that Georger has posted a more accurate version of the FBI flight path?  Do you or Georger happen to have a copy of this more accurate FBI flight path or know where it came from?
I have attached the map that geoger, EU, and others have posted here in the past. It clearly shows a more professional attention to detail than the yellow map which I have said before is more like a rough draft from which you can only draw general conclusions and not use to pinpoint exact locations. I'm sure the FBI possesses other accurate maps like this one. In fact, there is documentation from the FBI stating that the Air Force provided maps with a more "precise flight path". Shutter's referenced this in the past. It's not magical, dude.

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You and Georger seem to be living proof that the less you know about a subject the more qualified you are to make claims without supporting evidence.
Ah, the old "appeal to false authority" fallacy. An oldie and a goodie. My first year students often make this mistake, but they have usually cleaned it up by the time their second year begins. Shame an educated man like yourself hasn't yet.

As far as "supporting evidence", I have provided more evidence here than you have as it relates to the Cinebar find, which you have merely called a "myth", "without merit" and "nonsense". In fact, your entire theory rests on the notion of a massive FBI cover up involving redacted Seattle ATC transcript and your own "gut feeling" that the pilots wouldn't have flown a very well-known airway during "that type of situation" as if you yourself have been in skyjacking situations similar to this one. Sorry, the your "feelings" and the "deus ex machina" of a conspiracy by the FBI for reasons unknown aren't "supporting evidence". 

I'll finish by stating that the notion that evidence of a more easterly path by 305 confirms a western flight path is a myth, without merit, and nonsense.

Chaucer,

The false statements and other nonsense you post above leads me to believe that you would have a great career in politics, assuming you are not already involved in politics.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3406 on: October 17, 2020, 02:16:12 PM »
Dodge.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3407 on: October 17, 2020, 03:33:14 PM »
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If it's ripped up it isn't going to float very well. it will start to spiral downward. lots of variables before any conclusions can be based. did the adhesive still exist and why wouldn't it fuse together in the violent exit? it had a tear all the way to the center.

I just find it odd that it was clearly visible in dense foliage for 8 years. I'm attacking the data...

When I was in the area we found some junk like candy bar wrappers and such. There is no way that this junk migrated much because there was virtually no breeze at all in the woods, and there was a lot of debris on the forest floor to snag such stuff.

WHO0 CAREZ!   >:D   Everything you say is irrelevant to the Cooper case - just made up bullshit and promotion to get you on TV next to Ancient Aliens, Monsters in Rivers, Who Gooed Madolyn Fipps . Take your crap to the National Inquirer and late night Ghost to Ghost. Cult crap that feeds off your endless circularity. This stuff isnt even interesting to a third grader!

Where are the adults in the room?  This is 50 levels beyond ridiculous.

PS* JT said 305 came in over the Troutdale Airport!  And now we have this degenerate FRANTIC! nonsense!
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3408 on: October 17, 2020, 04:14:45 PM »
I was asked a question about the Western Flight Path and provided an answer. I feel as if I’ve been very clear and respectful concerning this discussion. I even mentioned that it is myself along with R99 who carry a special burden to disprove conventional wisdom. I also said that I understand that others are going to disagree.

In return I’m compared to a flat-earther, a climate change denier, a Covid hoaxer, and a sell-out interested in nothing more than a TV show.

With that in mind, why should I continue to engage at all? What’s the upside?
« Last Edit: October 17, 2020, 04:16:10 PM by EU »
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3409 on: October 17, 2020, 04:17:56 PM »
Another piece of aircraft supposedly found - decision it is of no value .... not even to flight path determination ........ so Ulis can add this piece to his "pile of crap that proves a flight path"!

comments removed..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3410 on: October 17, 2020, 04:52:58 PM »
Some comments were removed. guys, attack the data and not the person. we get nowhere doing this..
 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3411 on: October 17, 2020, 05:35:52 PM »
Using the Hick's placard as evidence for a western flightpath is self serving garbage.  see 302s etc at end of Page : You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Its a very good analysis based on FBI docs  vs Personal agenda for a tv program on the Aliens Mystery channel No.947 or whatever!

Garbage found on the ground 'in the State of Washington' not even attributable to Flight 305 does not prove a flight path.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3412 on: October 17, 2020, 06:03:29 PM »
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Using the Hick's placard as evidence for a western flightpath is self serving garbage.  see 302s etc at end of Page : You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Its a very good analysis based on FBI docs  vs Personal agenda for a tv program on the Aliens Mystery channel No.947 or whatever!

Garbage found on the ground 'in the State of Washington' not even attributable to Flight 305 does not prove a flight path.

Brilliant strategy GEORGER, don’t use evidence as evidence.

BTW, I assume you realize that the last two pages you posted relate to a different decal from a different jet and not 305? That placard was found in Skamania County.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3413 on: October 17, 2020, 06:10:36 PM »
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If it's ripped up it isn't going to float very well. it will start to spiral downward. lots of variables before any conclusions can be based. did the adhesive still exist and why wouldn't it fuse together in the violent exit? it had a tear all the way to the center.

I just find it odd that it was clearly visible in dense foliage for 8 years. I'm attacking the data...

When I was in the area we found some junk like candy bar wrappers and such. There is no way that this junk migrated much because there was virtually no breeze at all in the woods, and there was a lot of debris on the forest floor to snag such stuff.

WHO0 CAREZ!   >:D   Everything you say is irrelevant to the Cooper case - just made up bullshit and promotion to get you on TV next to Ancient Aliens, Monsters in Rivers, Who Gooed Madolyn Fipps . Take your crap to the National Inquirer and late night Ghost to Ghost. Cult crap that feeds off your endless circularity. This stuff isnt even interesting to a third grader!

Where are the adults in the room?  This is 50 levels beyond ridiculous.

PS* JT said 305 came in over the Troutdale Airport!  And now we have this degenerate FRANTIC! nonsense!

Georger,

You told me about 10 years ago that you had check with the people at Troutdale Airport and they stated that the hijacked airliner never flew over their airport or the east side of Portland.

You need to get your own cock and bull story straight.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3414 on: October 17, 2020, 06:22:16 PM »
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Using the Hick's placard as evidence for a western flightpath is self serving garbage.  see 302s etc at end of Page : You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Its a very good analysis based on FBI docs  vs Personal agenda for a tv program on the Aliens Mystery channel No.947 or whatever!

Garbage found on the ground 'in the State of Washington' not even attributable to Flight 305 does not prove a flight path.

Georger,

Why don't you give FJ credit for the above and the attachments since you just reposted something he posted on DropZone earlier today?  I'm sure you would be going bananas if he did the same thing to you.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3415 on: October 17, 2020, 07:26:02 PM »
Past the bulkhead door is the outside of the plane. the placard is not on the exterior of the plane or what you would consider the fuselage. no change in pressure would be involved with any decal on the fuselage..they are talking about the bulkhead door.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3416 on: October 17, 2020, 07:33:59 PM »
The second placard would be more than 20 miles away from the path? more like 24 miles..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3417 on: October 17, 2020, 07:51:47 PM »
They are 99 percent sure of the second placard/decal but not the Hicks? drift calculations seem to be a question..

Actually, they are sure it came from inside on the Hicks placard. NWO states it probably came off when the stairs were lowered which changed the pressure. this omits being outside or on the fuselage..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3418 on: October 17, 2020, 11:06:00 PM »
Part found near Cinebar...

The part was approx. 8" x 40" .... he worked for Boeing so why wouldn't he say it was part of a larger piece. he appears to be speaking like it's a whole part. he took the time to look it up and should of noted it was a partial piece to the railing on the stairs. how did it tear off with perfect dimensions? the photo's we see show it shredded or torn. how would he not know it was partial?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3419 on: October 17, 2020, 11:40:34 PM »
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Part found near Cinebar...

The part was approx. 8" x 40" .... he worked for Boeing so why wouldn't he say it was part of a larger piece. he appears to be speaking like it's a whole part. he took the time to look it up and should of noted it was a partial piece to the railing on the stairs. how did it tear off with perfect dimensions? the photo's we see show it shredded or torn. how would he not know it was partial?

Part not part of the stairs or apron but an inside part above the opening, say FJ. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

He also posts relevant 302s.  No guarantee the part was even part of 305. 

Its just one more piece of made up nonsense by Eric Ulis.

' no part that large was missing from the NORJAK 727'
« Last Edit: October 17, 2020, 11:59:28 PM by georger »