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Offline Robert99

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3675 on: November 12, 2020, 05:13:41 PM »
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I post on topic!   :rofl:

Recognition of Bohan Continental flight ... better late than never! 1977 .    ;D

Bohan needs to get his memory fixed.  There were no such winds as he claims at Portland on the the evening of the hijacking.  And Bohan was probably on V-23E and not V-23.  With his landing gear and flaps retracted, he would be doing at least 100 MPH faster than the hijacked airliner.  And if he took off from Seattle four minutes after the airliner, he would be on the ground in Portland long before the hijacked airliner passed through that area.

On the evening of the hijacking, the measured winds aloft at 10,000 feet were about 35 knots from the southwest and the winds on the ground at the Portland International Airport were never more than 12 MPH. 

 
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3676 on: November 12, 2020, 05:19:47 PM »
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Do you or anyone else here believe there is anything to what Bruce mentioned in his speech on YouTube, the Overview, about the pilot delibertely dropping him in the Colombia River?  Or do you think they have absolute evience that he jumped farther to the East?

You really need to read the transcripts, crew testimony, and a lot of information about this case. this can all be found in our vault.
 

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« Reply #3677 on: November 12, 2020, 08:08:22 PM »
I totally understand what you are saying.  I am a member of other forums and I know how this works.  But there are many many conversations, and countless threads on numerous subjects and it can be time consuming and you also see plenty of emotion and arguments often ensue.  i have been here less than a week I believe and I have already been told off.  I expect it.  It goes with the territory.  Ill do as much research as I can.  And I hope I can add some positive input. 
 

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« Reply #3678 on: November 13, 2020, 09:50:15 AM »
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Do you or anyone else here believe there is anything to what Bruce mentioned in his speech on YouTube, the Overview, about the pilot delibertely dropping him in the Colombia River?  Or do you think they have absolute evience that he jumped farther to the East?

You really need to read the transcripts, crew testimony, and a lot of information about this case. this can all be found in our vault.

Thing is Bruce has stated that the living pilot keeps changing his story so he says to look at what he said in the book many years ago?  I am sure Cooper made this flight in practice lets say before he did the crime?  Would you agree with that speculation?  Google says its a 57 minute flight today?  Its about just over twice as long as from Buffalo to Rochester, in my area and that is like a 20 minute flight now. I believe I flew from Baltimore to Rochester in about 45 minutes so the speed is likely far better today than in 1971.  I have watched just about every YouTube show on this case and there are many.  That is a pretty good place to start to gather data, and I knew of this case long before the internet existed.  So just because I am new to this particular forum does not mean I am completely in the blind.   ::)
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3679 on: November 20, 2020, 07:44:25 PM »
Just found a YouTube video posted 3 days ago where a skydiver tries to recreate Cooper's jump by hitting a target a quarter mile by a quarter mile. 
 

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« Reply #3680 on: November 20, 2020, 09:47:34 PM »
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Just found a YouTube video posted 3 days ago where a skydiver tries to recreate Cooper's jump by hitting a target a quarter mile by a quarter mile.

With a modern steerable square parachute even a relatively inexperienced skydiver shouldn't have any trouble doing that in daylight.

But doing it at night with no ground references of any consequence, in light rain, over unknown terrain, he probably wouldn't be able to even identify the target.
 

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« Reply #3681 on: November 20, 2020, 09:59:57 PM »
This really key:

Pick some random man off the street. Put him on a jetliner. Give him chute and tell him to jump out of the back. At night. In cold, wet weather. Over unknown terrain. Add 30 lbs of money tied to him.

Does he survive?
 

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« Reply #3682 on: November 21, 2020, 04:34:09 AM »
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This really key:

Pick some random man off the street. Put him on a jetliner. Give him chute and tell him to jump out of the back. At night. In cold, wet weather. Over unknown terrain. Add 30 lbs of money tied to him.

Does he survive?

Yeah Martin McNally's is a prime example, as inexperienced as they come, no training, only used a reserve chute not even a main/back. He ended up going Into a spin and he still made it.
 

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« Reply #3683 on: November 21, 2020, 06:44:56 AM »
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This really key:

Pick some random man off the street. Put him on a jetliner. Give him chute and tell him to jump out of the back. At night. In cold, wet weather. Over unknown terrain. Add 30 lbs of money tied to him.

Does he survive?

Well my answer is always going to be yes, because of NO BOMB IN A SUITCASE, NO PARACHUTES.  The money being gone is not a clue as of course it would have been picked up fast.  But the bomb parts, fake or real, and I lean to fake, would have been all over.  So too his clothes.  He made it.  Unless somehow he went into the water and drowned and somehow all that stuff managed to sink and never showed up.  I say no way.
 

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« Reply #3684 on: November 21, 2020, 07:38:16 PM »
So the show True Crime from two years ago states that the plane was ON AUTOPILOT!!!  And the exact route was known?  First time and only time I heard this?   Is this wrong? 
 

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« Reply #3685 on: November 24, 2020, 08:49:13 AM »
The plane wasn't on autopilot the entire flight. coming to a conclusion of V23 all the way to Reno is a known flight path.

Has everyone seen the photo posted by fj about the placard. no emergency panel is on 305. I suspected 305 didn't have the option since it was never described in 302's and never confirmed it since no photo's have been available until now. the main problem I seen was the fact of the stairs being locked after it landed in Reno. had Cooper used the emergency system the stairs wouldn't lock.

This puts the Hicks placard into question.
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« Reply #3686 on: November 24, 2020, 01:58:30 PM »
Unless someone can come up with a logical answer to the Hicks placard being from flight 305 I believe this is no longer evidence in this case?

Since I made the drop device for one of my drones I'm still going to drop both at the same time just to see how the two act in a free fall.
 

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« Reply #3687 on: November 24, 2020, 02:02:42 PM »
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Unless someone can come up with a logical answer to the Hicks placard being from flight 305 I believe this is no longer evidence in this case?

Since I made the drop device for one of my drones I'm still going to drop both at the same time just to see how the two act in a free fall.
This is compelling stuff, Shutter. However, it does beg the question of a how a placard from a jetliner stairwell ended up in the woods under the V23. I guess what I am saying is:  if it didn't come from 305, where did it come from?
 

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« Reply #3688 on: November 24, 2020, 02:10:34 PM »
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Unless someone can come up with a logical answer to the Hicks placard being from flight 305 I believe this is no longer evidence in this case?

Since I made the drop device for one of my drones I'm still going to drop both at the same time just to see how the two act in a free fall.
This is compelling stuff, Shutter. However, it does beg the question of a how a placard from a jetliner stairwell ended up in the woods under the V23. I guess what I am saying is:  if it didn't come from 305, where did it come from?

That's another hard question. kind of put Hicks under the microscope. to really put the whole thing to rest, we need the drawings showing EXACTLY where it goes. not one single photo can be found of this placard.
 

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« Reply #3689 on: November 24, 2020, 02:24:57 PM »
The pullout panel for the emergency system is to the right of the main control box for the stairs. it's just not there on 305. it's much smaller and has two holes in it to pull the panel out and get to the handle to release the stairs. if it was there you would see it or you would see a hole where the panel was pulled off and the handle would be hanging down the side of the wall. not all of the planes had the system. kits could be purchased but I don't recall the amount.

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