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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3615 on: October 24, 2020, 01:24:41 PM »
I doubt the bills are going to be like gold. the value will go up but it will level off or perhaps lose value. they are probably sitting in a safe deposit box somewhere..

It's possible some bills went to Washington while Seattle kept the rest.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3616 on: October 25, 2020, 11:35:16 PM »
Fly.....

The green light on the annunciator tells them they are locked down. the amber light tells them when they are unlocked. nothing in between. at 7:42 he calls stating trouble with the stairs. this is also the time they reach 7,000 and slow down. 7:43 they indicate a warning light (amber) stairs partially extended. it doesn't have a light for anything other than locked down or unlocked and partially open or in the process of opening or closing in normal functions. she apparently is off with her timing.

Look at the video. you will see the annunciator. the items lit are the one's down. tailskid and wheels. the stairs light up green when the stairs are down and locked. the only light they will see is the amber which you see while it's going down or up.. I put the wheels up the lights go out along with the light for the tailskid. I was on the ground so those stay on. once the stairs go up, the amber light goes off and nothing is shown. everything in the simulator functions as a real plane.

It starts with the stairs up. no light shown. then the stairs are lowered and it turns amber showing they are unlocked then turns green indicating they are down and locked. I raise them and it turns amber and then goes off.

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3617 on: October 25, 2020, 11:49:19 PM »
I purchased a remote payload drop for one of my drones. I can use this to release the placards for testing. I could of used a servo but I have to tap into the drones power and put a switch on the ground controller (station). hopefully I can do some testing at the beginning of November.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3618 on: October 26, 2020, 03:01:06 AM »
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I purchased a remote payload drop for one of my drones. I can use this to release the placards for testing. I could of used a servo but I have to tap into the drones power and put a switch on the ground controller (station). hopefully I can do some testing at the beginning of November.

Here are the things you need to measure during your drone drops:

1.  The size of the placard, specifically the height and width.  Presumably, the thickness can be ignored.

2.  The weight of the placard in ounces.  You may need to visit a post office and use their scales assuming they have some with sufficient accuracy.  You may ideally need to be able to measure fractions of an ounce and less than one ounce.

3.  The height of the drone when the placard is released and the time until it hits the ground measured in seconds.  A stop watch is ideal for this timing.

4.  Ideally the wind should be calm.  But the horizontal distance that the placard travels is not particularly important in these drop tests.

5.  After the tests, call or check online with your local weather bureau to get the atmospheric pressure (preferably in inches of mercury) corrected to sea level.

6.  Video tape the drops if possible so that the placards behavior can be observed.

Then please post the information here.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3619 on: October 26, 2020, 08:51:39 AM »
I made placards out of paper. simply using a copy machine from the actual placard. not sure of the actual weight since thick backing is on the original one makes the weight heavier than actual. if I use decal paper the odds of it sticking together in flight are high. I'm making two placards. one will be undamaged and the other will be as it was found. the one that was found has a tear in it from the bottom where it say's handle to the upper right where the lettering is larger or all caps for the word HANDLE. right under the E.

The drone has a camera on it so I will try to follow it down. if this fails I will have to teach my helper how to fly. at most I will have him control the one that isn't moving. or a camera from the ground will have to be used.

Altitude. typically you can test by terminal but what height would be good for testing this. 50 feet, one hundred feet?

The placard measures approx. 6 x 6 or  5" 15/16 I have access to a micrometer and can peel back some of the protective covering for actual thickness which is close to the thickness of paper. I think Eric knows the weight.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3620 on: October 26, 2020, 09:35:42 AM »
I still have to make some sort of a box or sleeve to put the placards in. the drop device only has a pin that slides to allow a release of a eyehook. nothing is really designed for what we need. they are typically for dropping objects. the tracking shows it arriving on October 31..

The drone is very stationary and usually has 12 to 18 satellites on it at one time..it will hold altitude very well.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3621 on: October 26, 2020, 10:49:22 AM »
The winds pick up this time of year. it's been windy everyday for a while. later in the day/evening the winds die down. a lot of rain in the last two weeks is another problem. perhaps the placards need to be red or a color that will stand out better during filming. a time counter can be applied to the video or even clocked while watching as a backup. I don't have any zoom on the camera from the drone so it will need to be relatively close to it. a camcorder could be used on the ground set up on a tripod.

The winds are currently 14 mph out of the SE. that's pretty windy and typical of this period.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3622 on: October 26, 2020, 03:24:24 PM »
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I made placards out of paper. simply using a copy machine from the actual placard. not sure of the actual weight since thick backing is on the original one makes the weight heavier than actual. if I use decal paper the odds of it sticking together in flight are high. I'm making two placards. one will be undamaged and the other will be as it was found. the one that was found has a tear in it from the bottom where it say's handle to the upper right where the lettering is larger or all caps for the word HANDLE. right under the E.

The drone has a camera on it so I will try to follow it down. if this fails I will have to teach my helper how to fly. at most I will have him control the one that isn't moving. or a camera from the ground will have to be used.

Altitude. typically you can test by terminal but what height would be good for testing this. 50 feet, one hundred feet?

The placard measures approx. 6 x 6 or  5" 15/16 I have access to a micrometer and can peel back some of the protective covering for actual thickness which is close to the thickness of paper. I think Eric knows the weight.

The higher the better and different heights would be great.  Can you do the drops at 100 feet, 200 feet, or even higher?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3623 on: October 26, 2020, 03:48:54 PM »
My drone has been seen at altitudes of over 3200 feet. I would never take it that high. even a thousand feet would be an issue with tracking and time. I have approx. 15-18 minutes of flight time. the higher you go the harder the motors work and eats battery time. it takes time to get to that altitude safely then more time coming down. I would need a battery with more amp hours and they cost a lot.

With minimal winds, single digits.at 100 feet would be a good first test. the higher you go the more it's going to drift. a thousand feet would require me to contact the control tower for permission. then you need to tell them why you are going so high. I only get away with the 400 feet max. if you need to get above the structure you are documenting.

Typically, the limit for recreation flying is a max of 400 feet. with a license you can go higher. if I am documenting or inspecting a radio tower 500 feet high I get clearance for 900 feet. I see a lot of small aircraft and helicopters flying low all the time and they will notify any UAV's breaching altitude limits or they will be notified of them in the area when done right.

I would rather make a ceiling of 400 feet so a flight plan and phone call is not needed..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3624 on: October 26, 2020, 04:00:26 PM »
I think my first dry run will be at 50 feet since I haven't a clue with chasing it down with the drone will be like. a camera on the ground will be pretty easy but chasing it, I don't know since I've never done something like that. I'm sure the first day will be full of does and don'ts.

I need a minimum of 3 people. me on the drone. one as a spotter and one on a ground camera. I'm thinking of going out to the edge of the Everglades where it's nice and flat with no obstructions (buildings, tree's) I can make a bunch of placards that can be lost with no worries of ending the testing..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3625 on: October 26, 2020, 04:30:45 PM »
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I purchased a remote payload drop for one of my drones. I can use this to release the placards for testing. I could of used a servo but I have to tap into the drones power and put a switch on the ground controller (station). hopefully I can do some testing at the beginning of November.

Here are the things you need to measure during your drone drops:

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1.  The size of the placard, specifically the height and width.  Presumably, the thickness can be ignored.

2.  The weight of the placard in ounces.  You may need to visit a post office and use their scales assuming they have some with sufficient accuracy.  You may ideally need to be able to measure fractions of an ounce and less than one ounce.

3.  The height of the drone when the placard is released and the time until it hits the ground measured in seconds.  A stop watch is ideal for this timing.

4.  Ideally the wind should be calm.  But the horizontal distance that the placard travels is not particularly important in these drop tests.

5.  After the tests, call or check online with your local weather bureau to get the atmospheric pressure (preferably in inches of mercury) corrected to sea level.

6.  Video tape the drops if possible so that the placards behavior can be observed.

Then please post the information here.

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All tinfoil must be grounded.

This takes obsessive-compulsive to a whole new level. Congrats!
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« Reply #3626 on: October 26, 2020, 04:36:51 PM »
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« Reply #3627 on: October 26, 2020, 04:43:23 PM »
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I think my first dry run will be at 50 feet since I haven't a clue with chasing it down with the drone will be like. a camera on the ground will be pretty easy but chasing it, I don't know since I've never done something like that. I'm sure the first day will be full of does and don'ts.

I need a minimum of 3 people. me on the drone. one as a spotter and one on a ground camera. I'm thinking of going out to the edge of the Everglades where it's nice and flat with no obstructions (buildings, tree's) I can make a bunch of placards that can be lost with no worries of ending the testing..

400 feet and below will be fine.  And if you go to the Everglades, be on the lookout for pythons.  An 18 foot python was captured there recently by professional hunters and it set a new record for length.  Indiana Jones and I have something in common in that we don't want to meet something like that anywhere or anytime. 
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« Reply #3628 on: October 26, 2020, 04:48:00 PM »
They are over the place. even inland. this will be on the extreme edge off of US 27. actually, not far from flight 401 and the Valuejet crashes. we will be geared for them as well as the wild pigs..
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« Reply #3629 on: October 26, 2020, 04:50:20 PM »
I'm going to make a metal pocket. two pieces of thin aluminum .090 and it will hinge so when one side is released it will dump the placards. should be simple to make. three sides closed with a small space between the two pieces..similar to a CD or DVD case. just a little bigger in size.
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