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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3390 on: October 17, 2020, 10:59:43 AM »
The thing to remember is that the Western Flight Path doesn't necessitate evidence. Rather, it's the evidence that points to the Western Flight Path.

Apparently few people look at the things that have been pointed out...

1) Fiberglass Skirt
2) Placard
3) Money Find
4) Ancillary Items

...and see what I see and R99 see. Well, so be it.

For reference, the following link brings you to a map that displays my version of the Western Flight Path which is slightly different than R99's because I think the jet turned near the Maylay Intersection proper and not necessarily around the Toledo airport itself.

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3391 on: October 17, 2020, 11:03:42 AM »
What I know about the fiberglass skirt and the placard is that they both came from within a buttoned up 727. Again, unless someone can explain why we have 727s flying around with their airstairs down, I'm going to stick with "the shit came from 305" narrative.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3392 on: October 17, 2020, 11:05:25 AM »
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For reference, the following link brings you to a map that displays my version of the Western Flight Path which is slightly different than R99's because I think the jet turned near the Maylay Intersection proper and not necessarily around the Toledo airport itself.

I think it went between the two,....what does that prove if I actually said that? 99 is going by aviation assumptions based on logic which tends to give more merit than just tossing out a location or assumption.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3393 on: October 17, 2020, 11:08:25 AM »
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What I know about the fiberglass skirt and the placard is that they both came from within a buttoned up 727. Again, unless someone can explain why we have 727s flying around with their airstairs down, I'm going to stick with "the shit came from 305" narrative.

But we are not certain of the "shit" that came from 305. 8 years passed with that shit on the ground. I would tend to believe the shit found in Cinebar would be in it's original location. heavy shit.. :rofl:
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3394 on: October 17, 2020, 11:13:15 AM »
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For reference, the following link brings you to a map that displays my version of the Western Flight Path which is slightly different than R99's because I think the jet turned near the Maylay Intersection proper and not necessarily around the Toledo airport itself.

I think it went between the two,....what does that prove if I actually said that? 99 is going by aviation assumptions based on logic which tends to give more merit than just tossing out a location or assumption.

I didn't just pull the assumption out of thin air for the hell of it. What I did is consider where the jet would have to be to "drop" the fiberglass skirt on the Cinebar hunting lands, the placard where Hicks' found it, and DB Cooper himself within plausible access to Tena Bar.

Additionally, I considered that the jet likely departed Seattle and flew due south for a distance while it lumbered slowly into the air and lugged along with landing gear down, flaps down, and airstairs down. I just can't see the pilots immediately turning toward Toledo after departing SeaTac (as is depicted on the FBI Flight Map).

Again, the evidence as I see it drew my version of the Western Flight Path for me. Not the other way around.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3395 on: October 17, 2020, 11:15:50 AM »
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What I know about the fiberglass skirt and the placard is that they both came from within a buttoned up 727. Again, unless someone can explain why we have 727s flying around with their airstairs down, I'm going to stick with "the shit came from 305" narrative.

But we are not certain of the "shit" that came from 305. 8 years passed with that shit on the ground. I would tend to believe the shit found in Cinebar would be in it's original location. heavy shit.. :rofl:

Once the placard is in the woods, it ain't goin' nowhere. The woods are very dense with thickets and all kinds of debris. it's definitely not migrating 2 or 3 miles or probably even 100 feet.
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« Reply #3396 on: October 17, 2020, 11:18:05 AM »
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3397 on: October 17, 2020, 11:19:30 AM »
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Pictures?

We know where the placard was found...it was in the middle of the forest.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3398 on: October 17, 2020, 11:26:09 AM »
every forest is the same full of brush..if it was on the ground how did it not get covered in this overpowering thick foliage after 8 years? 8 years is a long time to not get covered..

The main question is the damage. have you tried to see how easy they would tear. I don't want to ruin mine? I doubt the exit would do it. and if untouched on the ground it could only have happened prior to leaving the aircraft.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3399 on: October 17, 2020, 11:39:08 AM »
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The main question is the damage. have you tried to see how easy they would tear. I don't want to ruin mine? I doubt the exit would do it. and if untouched on the ground it could only have happened prior to leaving the aircraft.

What's the point here? After all, the placard got torn somehow. That much is certain. As to how it got torn, I don't know exactly. But it obviously happened.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3400 on: October 17, 2020, 11:53:20 AM »
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3401 on: October 17, 2020, 11:56:06 AM »
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The thing to remember is that the Western Flight Path doesn't necessitate evidence. Rather, it's the evidence that points to the Western Flight Path.

Apparently few people look at the things that have been pointed out...

1) Fiberglass Skirt
2) Placard
3) Money Find
4) Ancillary Items

...and see what I see and R99 see. Well, so be it.

For reference, the following link brings you to a map that displays my version of the Western Flight Path which is slightly different than R99's because I think the jet turned near the Maylay Intersection proper and not necessarily around the Toledo airport itself.

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EU,

Please explain this to me like I am a fifth grader:

How does  the Cinebar Panel find, which was found well EAST of both the yellow map pencil path and V23 and well NORTH of the supposed diversion at Malay, support a westerly flight path?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3402 on: October 17, 2020, 12:02:20 PM »
If it's ripped up it isn't going to float very well. it will start to spiral downward. lots of variables before any conclusions can be based. did the adhesive still exist and why wouldn't it fuse together in the violent exit? it had a tear all the way to the center.

I just find it odd that it was clearly visible in dense foliage for 8 years. I'm attacking the data...
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3403 on: October 17, 2020, 12:03:42 PM »
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The thing to remember is that the Western Flight Path doesn't necessitate evidence. Rather, it's the evidence that points to the Western Flight Path.

Apparently few people look at the things that have been pointed out...

1) Fiberglass Skirt
2) Placard
3) Money Find
4) Ancillary Items

...and see what I see and R99 see. Well, so be it.

For reference, the following link brings you to a map that displays my version of the Western Flight Path which is slightly different than R99's because I think the jet turned near the Maylay Intersection proper and not necessarily around the Toledo airport itself.

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EU,

Please explain this to me like I am a fifth grader:

How does  the Cinebar Panel find, which was found well EAST of both the yellow map pencil path and V23 and well NORTH of the supposed diversion at Malay, support a westerly flight path?

I will do my best.

My first point is that the skirt was found in the Cinebar hunting lands, and while we do not yet know precisely where, we know enough to determine that the location of the airliner when the skirt snapped off was several miles east of the FBI Flight Path line. This alone proves that the FBI Flight Path is wrong at a least this point. And, if the FBI Flight Path is wrong at this point, what's to say it's not wrong somewhere else?

My second point is that the Western Flight Path is simply the name for the theorized flight path that puts the airliner well west of where the FBI thought it was at the time DBC jumped. It does not mean that the airliner had to remain west of the FBI Flight Path the entire route from SeaTac to Reno.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3404 on: October 17, 2020, 12:09:27 PM »
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If it's ripped up it isn't going to float very well. it will start to spiral downward. lots of variables before any conclusions can be based. did the adhesive still exist and why wouldn't it fuse together in the violent exit? it had a tear all the way to the center.

I just find it odd that it was clearly visible in dense foliage for 8 years. I'm attacking the data...

When I was in the area we found some junk like candy bar wrappers and such. There is no way that this junk migrated much because there was virtually no breeze at all in the woods, and there was a lot of debris on the forest floor to snag such stuff.
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