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This is my point..it doesn't make any sense to redact anything related to the flight path unless it's going to be public knowledge. why in the world would they try to hide things from people involved while listening to the hijacking live, and taking notes. removing radio transmissions from other pilots might be considered redacting if they removed them prior to releasing the transcripts to anyone?

I could see the FBI possibly doing something like this down the road but certainly not straight out of the gate causing the FBI a lot of money knowing they were searching in the wrong location. then you would have NWO asking questions surrounding what they heard and what the map shows. the Air Force scratching there heads..who told the radar operator's to say what they did on record given possibly ground locations and correcting positions to V-23? this would be a rather large audience to try and bluff. why didn't the FBI look where only they believed he jumped? nobody reported any search parties around the Columbia, right. they just let him go?

I think we have a huge communication break down with all involved. Pilots failed to properly identify the location. didn't seem to have any real concern about Cooper still on the plane after 8:20 ish..might be on the plane, might not? reports over the years from the FBI saying "we really didn't know where he jumped" I kinda stick to my thoughts of them getting caught with there pants down..scramble mania....

Shutter, let me remind you that there were two lines of communications between the airliner and the people on the ground. 

First, there were standard air traffic control communications between the airliner and Seattle ATC.  It is these communications that have 19 redactions and which the FBI refuses to release.  These communications were strictly for air traffic control purposes only.

Second, there were voice communications between the airliner through a radio link over the ARINC network that connected the Seattle NWA station and NWA Minneapolis to the airliner.  These voice communications were also transmitted over the ARINC teletype system to NWA Seattle and NWA Minneapolis.  These communications did not involve air traffic control.

Thanks to the George Harrison family, Fred Poynter's group had access to the NWA ARINC teletype print outs.  Poynter's group made a study of those print outs and determined that several were missing.  That means that some teletype print outs had been removed/redacted.

With the so-called FBI flight path, it is easy to understand why the FBI couldn't figure out where Cooper jumped.

All of this has been discussed to death several times over the years.

Thanks to the George Harrison family, Fred Poynter's group had access to the NWA ARINC teletype print outs.  Poynter's group made a study of those print outs and determined that several were missing.

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The refusal to release is standard practice with the FBI and all law enforcement with open cases..this is something I repeat to Blevins in reference to the Amboy chute. regardless of it's outcome it's still part of the case and they will not release anything surrounding it..

I have serious doubt anything was disturbed during the periods they needed the info..if in fact something is missing now it's understandable since the FBI wishes parts to be left out of the public eye which is there choice. not the best but they are running the show. they redact numbers and addresses that are no longer used..what's the purpose..some of it's ridiculous that they redact.

As has been previously discussed, the FBI did not redact a single thing in the Oakland ATC and Reno transcripts or the other transcripts.  However, 19 redactions were made to the Seattle ATC transcripts with the result that the airliner's location cannot be pinpointed during its time in the Portland/Vancouver area.  It is obvious that the 19 redactions were deliberately done to prevent that flight path being known.

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The refusal to release is standard practice with the FBI and all law enforcement with open cases..this is something I repeat to Blevins in reference to the Amboy chute. regardless of it's outcome it's still part of the case and they will not release anything surrounding it..

I have serious doubt anything was disturbed during the periods they needed the info..if in fact something is missing now it's understandable since the FBI wishes parts to be left out of the public eye which is there choice. not the best but they are running the show. they redact numbers and addresses that are no longer used..what's the purpose..some of it's ridiculous that they redact.

As has been previously discussed, the FBI did not redact a single thing in the Oakland ATC and Reno transcripts or the other transcripts.  However, 19 redactions were made to the Seattle ATC transcripts with the result that the airliner's location cannot be pinpointed during its time in the Portland/Vancouver area.  It is obvious that the 19 redactions were deliberately done to prevent that flight path being known.

How do you know it was the FBI that performed socalled "redactions" ?

Tell us the history of the Transcript!  Who wrote it and passed it on to others including the FBI? Who was in charge of compiling this Transcript from beginning to end? Who in that chain of people or agencies made the redactions, socalled? Why didn't Poynter tell us?

19 Redactions.

Carr shared a copy of the Transcript with Sluggo who published it. The Seattle PI published it some time earlier than that.

Georger,

Get your head out of wherever it is!  Where is it anyway?  You obviously haven't been paying attention here for the last 10 years.

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From FJ today:

Well, Georger is correct and Eric is wrong...
The T-33 went West on a training mission then intercepted 305 at Lake Oswego and turned South, not NNW of Portland.
 
Also.
F-106's did not have visual but had contact on radar.
T-33 noticed 305 flying in a course change.. Control confirmed 45 degree change every 30 seconds. This may explain the slightly erratic FBI map, since it is plotted points the 30 second course changes would show.
 
T-33 pilots. Tosaw's book.

If I understand this post correctly, TrollJack is using Tosaw's book to disprove some of my comments?

If that is correct it's an embarrassment and ought to be an immediate disqualifier for anyone who calls themselves a serious DBC researcher. I have Tosaw's book, have read it from end to end, and it is full of falsehoods...think of the Tina Mucklow packing card story for one.

I have talked with Cliff Ammerman about all of this many times, not only on the phone but also in person. Ammerman's description of what transpired--remember he controlled 305, the F-106's and the T-33--completely refutes what Tosaw says and TrollJack apparently considers gospel.

To top it off, we now have GEORGER interjecting--and apparently endorsing--this horseshit from another site, on behalf of a person who is no longer a member of this site...to what end?