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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2790 on: September 08, 2019, 04:22:18 PM »
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Here is the files I have surrounding the flight path. they are not in order yet but thought some might want to look them over and not have to scroll around file after file...

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Good! Glad someone has grouped these all together.  :congrats:

What I still have a hard time reconciling is Anderson's testimony late on 11/24 at Reno vs 'someone's belief' that Cooper had bailed clear up at Lake Merwin which sent the FBI scrambling looking in the area of Woodland, Ariel, and in that region?

If my reconstruction is right, the FBI is getting their first impressions of a search zone from ... Paul Soderlind and people at NWA? This is before 305 has even landed at Reno and Anderson has given his testimony later that night ?

It seems to have taken (years!) for Anderson's testimony to be given credence? Years later Scott is still preaching the Merwin Lake scenario. Rataczak is all over the map telling different people different things!  Anderson is still giving the same testimony he gave the night of 11-24. In 1972 a huge search is conducted clear up north at Ariel! And NWA has issued a probability map that looks like something the Consumer Lottery published!

And it all revolves around the time issue - when Cooper bailed.

Meanwhile Anderson's original testimony sits .... no one is paying attention until around .... 2008?  :rofl:

It's like a Charlie Chaplan movie.  Keystone Cooper cops.  :-\ 

Throw into that scenario Himmelsbach's 1975-6 announcement to the press that the new DB Cooper landing zone is somewhere 12 miles north of Portland!

Maybe DB Cooper landed on the Moon!  C:-) C:-) C:-)
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2791 on: September 08, 2019, 04:34:12 PM »
Is there any evidence that they plotted the course. if so they would know exactly where they were. if the clouds were an issue over this area they would of told them the plane was around Merwin lake and give Scott reason to make the statement he made based on there calculations.

Keep in mind the plane has landed and the path is done so they must rely on timing and memory if no plotting had taken place.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2792 on: September 08, 2019, 08:00:18 PM »
The problem I see is who ever made the Word file in the vault got Anderson's name in place of Rataczak's by mistake. that's why they are not only similar but one in the same. Gray posted his files after I had posted the Las Vegas files and his were not redacted...

Anderson's statements the night of the hijacking are nowhere to be found. all three stews and both pilots are accounted for but not Anderson?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2793 on: September 08, 2019, 11:47:49 PM »
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The problem I see is who ever made the Word file in the vault got Anderson's name in place of Rataczak's by mistake. that's why they are not only similar but one in the same. Gray posted his files after I had posted the Las Vegas files and his were not redacted...

Anderson's statements the night of the hijacking are nowhere to be found. all three stews and both pilots are accounted for but not Anderson?

Are the 'Campbell files' the crew interviews from 11/24 at Reno? Dont those files come from GG? Wasn't it GG who released them?  Anderson is included in those interviews - the only one missing is Scott. ?????????????????????
 

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« Reply #2794 on: September 08, 2019, 11:51:10 PM »
I even went to Gray's site and didn't see anything on Anderson.....

I got my files way before Gray posted his. mine were redacted while his were not and some difference in Las Vegas files vs Seattle.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2795 on: September 09, 2019, 12:10:31 AM »
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The problem I see is who ever made the Word file in the vault got Anderson's name in place of Rataczak's by mistake. that's why they are not only similar but one in the same. Gray posted his files after I had posted the Las Vegas files and his were not redacted...

Anderson's statements the night of the hijacking are nowhere to be found. all three stews and both pilots are accounted for but not Anderson?

Are the 'Campbell files' the crew interviews from 11/24 at Reno? Dont those files come from GG? Wasn't it GG who released them?  Anderson is included in those interviews - the only one missing is Scott. ?????????????????????

Scott's 302 files from the Reno debriefing only stated that he did not see or have any direct contact with Cooper.  He also stated that he was present during  the debriefing of Rataczak, Anderson, and Tina and did not have anything to add to their statements.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2796 on: September 09, 2019, 01:47:49 AM »
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The problem I see is who ever made the Word file in the vault got Anderson's name in place of Rataczak's by mistake. that's why they are not only similar but one in the same. Gray posted his files after I had posted the Las Vegas files and his were not redacted...

Anderson's statements the night of the hijacking are nowhere to be found. all three stews and both pilots are accounted for but not Anderson?

Are the 'Campbell files' the crew interviews from 11/24 at Reno? Dont those files come from GG? Wasn't it GG who released them?  Anderson is included in those interviews - the only one missing is Scott. ?????????????????????

Scott's 302 files from the Reno debriefing only stated that he did not see or have any direct contact with Cooper.  He also stated that he was present during  the debriefing of Rataczak, Anderson, and Tina and did not have anything to add to their statements.

. . . 302 note below. Wouldnt you liek to see the rest!  ;D

Are the 'Campbell files' the crew interviews from 11/24 at Reno? Dont those files come from GG? Wasn't it GG who released them?  Anderson is included in those interviews - the only one missing is Scott. ??????????????????
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2797 on: September 09, 2019, 06:20:38 AM »
I don't believe there is anymore to that document. when I post them they are associated with the current discussion and only show details surrounding that subject.

Yes, the Campbell files are the statements taken the evening of the hijacking. I made my files public long before GG made his public. mine are redacted and his are not. Anderson is not in either of the files. I have six separate files in the vault. those are the one's that were sent to me by Reickenbach or how ever his name was spelled. he was part of a group of four that posted under the same username. he grew tired of Blevins and left his site and gave me the files and vanished...
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2798 on: September 09, 2019, 01:56:27 PM »
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I don't believe there is anymore to that document. when I post them they are associated with the current discussion and only show details surrounding that subject.

Yes, the Campbell files are the statements taken the evening of the hijacking. I made my files public long before GG made his public. mine are redacted and his are not. Anderson is not in either of the files. I have six separate files in the vault. those are the one's that were sent to me by Reickenbach or how ever his name was spelled. he was part of a group of four that posted under the same username. he grew tired of Blevins and left his site and gave me the files and vanished...

I got my files from Gray. They are un-redacted. Anderson is named. Intro starts -

"11-24 Harold Anderson :
Harold E Anderson, was interviewed at the Reno Airport, Reno Nevada, late on the evening of November 24, 1971. He identified himself as the Third Officer & Flight Engineer on Northwest Airlines Flight #305. 
Anderson advised that according to some notes he made, it was at 2759 Zulu time or 3:59 pm Pacific Standard Time, that he received an emergency signal from hostess Mucklow on the interphone with a series of bells signalling they had trouble onboard. This is a pre-arranged signal for such emergencies and he made a notation in his book of the time of notification. "
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2799 on: September 09, 2019, 03:27:51 PM »
That's how Rataczak's starts on the file from GG I have?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2800 on: September 09, 2019, 03:32:41 PM »
Here is the start of Bills statements from GG files...
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2801 on: September 09, 2019, 03:32:59 PM »
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That's how Rataczak's starts on the file from GG I have?

wow! Something is going on. Let me find my original pdf file I downloaded from GG and I will send you a copy ... later tonight when I get time.

I dont know what to say. My old files are on another computer ... I dont even have it here! I swear 90% of this case is chasing shit around!!!!!
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« Reply #2802 on: September 09, 2019, 03:34:17 PM »
I've been discussing this with GG trying to figure it out....
 

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« Reply #2803 on: September 09, 2019, 03:37:47 PM »
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I've been discussing this with GG trying to figure it out....

what does he say?

I dont even have my old computer here to access to get to the orig file I downloaded from GG's site.

Is it possible GG had two versions of these Campbell files?

You got your files from someone named Richenbach?  Did Gray also get these files from Richenbach? Where did Gray get his Campbell files from?

Who is Richenbach and where did he get these files?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2804 on: September 09, 2019, 04:02:43 PM »
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Here is the start of Bills statements from GG files...

OK there is something wrong with your files!

1. Your file identifies Rat at the third officer!  He was the second officer.

2. My file identifies Rat at the Second Officer!

Apparently there are two sets of the Campbell files! I dont know how that is possible but I think its is a fact! 

My unredacted version also identifies Rat at the Second Officer.

I dont know what to say and I am hampered by the fact my old computer is still at IDT .... I will have my secretary get it and bring it to me tonight.
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