I fired up the simulator...to be 23 miles DME you have to be pretty close to V23. if you fly east of Newberg VOR (inside a mile) you are about 25-26 miles DME. basically, the further west you go the miles click forward away from Battleground. My coords lineup perfectly with the coords on my online maps. I have several ways to cross check my location in real time. I also have a CIVA INS. that gives a digital readout of Longitude and Latitude while flying..

I can use 2 DME's but haven't figured out how to utilize both. one works on the HSI. while I only see the miles click on DME 2. I'm guessing the RME would be what I look at?

When the flight crew reported "23 DME miles" they were probably reading a number that was somewhere between 23 and 24.  So this could add a slight amount to the distance.  But since no radial is given for this distance, its terminal point can't be pined down exactly.

Nevertheless, the intersection of a straight line between the Malay and Canby Intersections, the western edge of V-23, and a 23 DME mile point, strongly supports the western flight path. 

Paul certainly wasn't a dummy....


Paul A. Soderlind was born August 6, 1923, in Billings, Mont. He took his first flight lesson at age 12, earned his private certificate on his 18th birthday (which was then the CAA minimum age), and earned his Commercial and Instructor ratings three months later. In 1942 he was hired by Northwest Airlines to teach instrument flying to new pilots. In 1944 he took two years of military leave from Northwest to become an instructor and check pilot for the Naval Air Transport Squadron. When the war ended he went back to Northwest, but at age 22 was still several months too young to hold the Air Transport Rating. On his 23rd birthday he checked out and became the nation’s youngest airline captain. Many of the standards and procedures he developed as a line pilot were adopted by the airline, and in 1954 Paul was named Northwest’s Director, Flight Operations-Technical. In that job he flew all the types Northwest operated from the Boeing 247 D up to and including the Boeing 747. He also flew the acceptance test and delivery flights on Northwest types from the Douglas DC-6B up through the 747. In his 30,000+ hours he has flown some 350 types of airplanes, helicopters and gliders, about 25 different types of airliners, about 20 biz jet and turboprops, and some 50 different GA types, including Molt Taylor’s Aerocar.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the path R99 states. it's logical, but, I don't see the evidence showing this. striking down radar reports based on faulty transponders or not knowing where they were won't cut it.

I don't see where this theory is that extreme to discount. based on known evidence I don't see it as a fact and that's my opinion. R99 is firm in his belief just as many are that are against it. this will undoubtedly take some time to conclude.

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Nicholson has been making his pitch for a west path - TO ALL THE WRONG PEOPLE!

1. Make your case to the people who matter! To the FBI or FAA.

2. Or go to Court and try to get the FBI/FAA to adopt your flight path, and reject the FBI flight path published by the FBI. Get a Court to give you the data you say you need.

It does not matter what people in Cooper forums say or do - that is howling in the wilderness. People in Cooper forums have no power whatever to change history or doctrine decided by Government Agencies! Or maybe you could form a Cooper Commission and get them to lobby for your flight path and theory. Or put it on a ballot somewhere; get some population to vote and endorse your DB Cooper flight path as the one and only true Cooper flight path.

COMPLAINT FILED!   

You guys want to call each other names. well, have at it...keep actual names out of the battle. especially when both party's know they don't wish to have them published.

I think both of you should take a break from this thread and move on....

what have I done - wrong! ? I havent called him any names - that's his doing! He wont even address the fp facts and I keep pointing them out to no response. Im not responsible for his tactics!

It's not my fault he's run out of gas with his west path theory. And its absolutely true neither the FAA or the FBI are going to change their published flight path based on someone's theory peddled in Cooper forums for a decade!

There is just so much anyone can do in any forum, to try and "change" official policy. Ckret came as close as anyone at Dropzone and if people like Weber hadn't driven him away by trying to get him fired, maybe, just maybe the FBI might have reopened the case on the flight path? Its an open question.

Im just trying to point out the obvious... people keep taking all of this so personally.

Anyway thats my point of view. 

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You guys want to call each other names. well, have at it...keep actual names out of the battle. especially when both party's know they don't wish to have them published.

I think both of you should take a break from this thread and move on....

what have I done - wrong! ? I havent called him any names - that's his doing! He wont even address the fp facts and I keep pointing them out to no response. Im not responsible for his tactics!

It's not my fault he's run out of gas with his west path theory. And its absolutely true neither the FAA or the FBI are going to change their published flight path based on someone's theory peddled in Cooper forums for a decade!

There is just so much anyone can do in any forum, to try and "change" official policy. Ckret came as close as anyone at Dropzone and if people like Weber hadn't driven him away by trying to get him fired, maybe, just maybe the FBI might have reopened the case on the flight path? Its an open question.

Im just trying to point out the obvious... people keep taking all of this so personally.

Anyway thats my point of view.

Shutter, I am posting this to include the above post so that he cannot remove all traces of it and claim innocence as he claims about his earlier posts.

He has sent me a private e-mail this evening which consisted of just the following: "YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE".  You may already have a copy of that post, but I will forward another to your private e-mail address to insure that you do.

I will also block him on both my private e-mail and on the PMs on this site.  Actually, he and I went through something like this a number of years ago.  But in this instance two strikes and he is out.

Shutter, to repeat what I have said on a previous instance, I do not have any complaints about you.  You have always treated me fair enough.