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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2220 on: June 24, 2019, 03:09:54 PM »
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So it is possible that Cooper left some epithelial cells on the stubs at the end of the lines


Typically, touch STR typing is known to require approximately 70–150 cells to produce a viable DNA profile. But since you cant chew gum and type at the same time you will ignore this and 'play the epithelial mantra again Sam'.

Its like people who cook everything they eat in one 10" pan!

Blevins is watching - must go!   :rofl:

PS: R99 you screwed up the formatting again! oh well ...

First, I don't have anything to do with the formatting.  So I would suggest that you just look in a mirror to start your search for the culprit.

Secondly, I suggest that we leave the DNA analysis to people who actually know what they are talking about.  And that does not include you or me.  If there is sufficient DNA on a car door handle, for instance, to provide meaningful data, and there is, then there should be sufficient DNA on the shroud lines and other parts of the remaining chest pack to make the effort worthwhile.

Thirdly, why are you suddenly disparaging DNA analysis?  Are you afraid that DNA might prove that Cooper didn't live in Montana as you seem to believe?   

OK Gomer. Thanks for yous OPInE. Ulis needs a hair cut!
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2221 on: June 24, 2019, 03:22:43 PM »
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So it is possible that Cooper left some epithelial cells on the stubs at the end of the lines


Typically, touch STR typing is known to require approximately 70–150 cells to produce a viable DNA profile. But since you cant chew gum and type at the same time you will ignore this and 'play the epithelial mantra again Sam'.

Its like people who cook everything they eat in one 10" pan!

Blevins is watching - must go!   :rofl:

PS: R99 you screwed up the formatting again! oh well ...

First, I don't have anything to do with the formatting.  So I would suggest that you just look in a mirror to start your search for the culprit.

Secondly, I suggest that we leave the DNA analysis to people who actually know what they are talking about.  And that does not include you or me.  If there is sufficient DNA on a car door handle, for instance, to provide meaningful data, and there is, then there should be sufficient DNA on the shroud lines and other parts of the remaining chest pack to make the effort worthwhile.

Thirdly, why are you suddenly disparaging DNA analysis?  Are you afraid that DNA might prove that Cooper didn't live in Montana as you seem to believe?   

OK Gomer. Thanks for yous OPInE. Ulis needs a hair cut!

Georger, You need to get an emergency appointment with your shrink! 
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2222 on: June 24, 2019, 03:38:47 PM »
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So it is possible that Cooper left some epithelial cells on the stubs at the end of the lines


Typically, touch STR typing is known to require approximately 70–150 cells to produce a viable DNA profile. But since you cant chew gum and type at the same time you will ignore this and 'play the epithelial mantra again Sam'.

Its like people who cook everything they eat in one 10" pan!

Blevins is watching - must go!   :rofl:

PS: R99 you screwed up the formatting again! oh well ...

First, I don't have anything to do with the formatting.  So I would suggest that you just look in a mirror to start your search for the culprit.

Secondly, I suggest that we leave the DNA analysis to people who actually know what they are talking about.  And that does not include you or me.  If there is sufficient DNA on a car door handle, for instance, to provide meaningful data, and there is, then there should be sufficient DNA on the shroud lines and other parts of the remaining chest pack to make the effort worthwhile.

Thirdly, why are you suddenly disparaging DNA analysis?  Are you afraid that DNA might prove that Cooper didn't live in Montana as you seem to believe?   

OK Gomer. Thanks for yous OPInE. Ulis needs a hair cut!

Georger, You need to get an emergency appointment with your shrink!

Yep - somebody does! Your degeneration over the last year has people commenting.

Good luck Robert99. It was nice while it lasted.  :congrats:

 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2223 on: June 24, 2019, 05:25:58 PM »
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So it is possible that Cooper left some epithelial cells on the stubs at the end of the lines


Typically, touch STR typing is known to require approximately 70–150 cells to produce a viable DNA profile. But since you cant chew gum and type at the same time you will ignore this and 'play the epithelial mantra again Sam'.

Its like people who cook everything they eat in one 10" pan!

Blevins is watching - must go!   :rofl:

PS: R99 you screwed up the formatting again! oh well ...

First, I don't have anything to do with the formatting.  So I would suggest that you just look in a mirror to start your search for the culprit.

Secondly, I suggest that we leave the DNA analysis to people who actually know what they are talking about.  And that does not include you or me.  If there is sufficient DNA on a car door handle, for instance, to provide meaningful data, and there is, then there should be sufficient DNA on the shroud lines and other parts of the remaining chest pack to make the effort worthwhile.

Thirdly, why are you suddenly disparaging DNA analysis?  Are you afraid that DNA might prove that Cooper didn't live in Montana as you seem to believe?   

OK Gomer. Thanks for yous OPInE. Ulis needs a hair cut!

Georger, You need to get an emergency appointment with your shrink!

Yep - somebody does! Your degeneration over the last year has people commenting.

Good luck Robert99. It was nice while it lasted.  :congrats:

Thanks for the information.  Otherwise, I wouldn't have know that I had degenerated. 
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2224 on: June 24, 2019, 11:47:14 PM »
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So it is possible that Cooper left some epithelial cells on the stubs at the end of the lines


Typically, touch STR typing is known to require approximately 70–150 cells to produce a viable DNA profile. But since you cant chew gum and type at the same time you will ignore this and 'play the epithelial mantra again Sam'.

Its like people who cook everything they eat in one 10" pan!

Blevins is watching - must go!   :rofl:

PS: R99 you screwed up the formatting again! oh well ...

First, I don't have anything to do with the formatting.  So I would suggest that you just look in a mirror to start your search for the culprit.

Secondly, I suggest that we leave the DNA analysis to people who actually know what they are talking about.  And that does not include you or me.  If there is sufficient DNA on a car door handle, for instance, to provide meaningful data, and there is, then there should be sufficient DNA on the shroud lines and other parts of the remaining chest pack to make the effort worthwhile.

Thirdly, why are you suddenly disparaging DNA analysis?  Are you afraid that DNA might prove that Cooper didn't live in Montana as you seem to believe?   

OK Gomer. Thanks for yous OPInE. Ulis needs a hair cut!

Georger, You need to get an emergency appointment with your shrink!

Yep - somebody does! Your degeneration over the last year has people commenting.

Good luck Robert99. It was nice while it lasted.  :congrats:

Thanks for the information.  Otherwise, I wouldn't have know that I had degenerated.

It was you who keep bringing it up! "Senility"

You have brought it up incessantly ... but I am here to examine the Cooper case.

Good look with the senility thing.  :good post:

 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2225 on: June 27, 2019, 11:22:27 PM »
For those interested in Cooper bailing around the Orchards area. the reason could be the report from the F-106 dart. the pilot claims an airport with skydiving was near by. that airport would be Scholl's. a sectional map shows a parachute as the pilot mentions in the 302's. according to the flight path it fly's directly over Scholl's at the 8:15 time frame.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2226 on: June 28, 2019, 12:11:19 AM »
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For those interested in Cooper bailing around the Orchards area. the reason could be the report from the F-106 dart. the pilot claims an airport with skydiving was near by. that airport would be Scholl's. a sectional map shows a parachute as the pilot mentions in the 302's. according to the flight path it fly's directly over Scholl's at the 8:15 time frame.

so what is the date of this screen grab from a 302? Can you post the whole 302?

 
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2227 on: June 28, 2019, 12:15:22 AM »
I'll have to try and locate the PDF. I believe Flyjack originally posted that portion on Bruce's site. it was taken from the FBI vault. I might have the PDF....
 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2228 on: June 28, 2019, 12:30:55 AM »
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For those interested in Cooper bailing around the Orchards area. the reason could be the report from the F-106 dart. the pilot claims an airport with skydiving was near by. that airport would be Scholl's. a sectional map shows a parachute as the pilot mentions in the 302's. according to the flight path it fly's directly over Scholl's at the 8:15 time frame.

I just find this document remarkable for several reasons. Sluggo earmarked Orchards but he never explained why, except for Sluggo's revision of the time stamps... 

It would be nice to know what the basis for the F-106 pilot's remark was:  overheard communications, engaged in communications with someone related to the jump, ....... any and all reasons why this pilot would have any knowledge of the jump matter.  Was he still trailing 305 when Cooper jumped?

I have never forgotten one of Sluggos' posts at DZ when the issue of Orchards came up. Out of the blue Wayne asked Crket something like ' have you guys been digging there - where?' Ckret replied something like: 'lets talk about this off line'. And there the matter died! Nobody followed their exchange up. I finally emailed Wayne and asked: "What is going on? FBI digging at Orchards? Can you tell us more". Wayne answered and said ... 'in the fullness of time, as this develops ...'.

If you recall this morphed into Sluggo making a few posts suggesting people should dig up graves in cemeteries around Orchards! That Cooper might be there in an unmarked grave! People asked if Wayne was serious. In due course Wayne dropped the whole matter after a  lot of kidding ....... but I have never forgotten this. I always wondered what the basis for Sluggo's sudden interest in Orchards was ...... I never got a satisfactory reply and the matter died at DZ. 

 

 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2229 on: June 28, 2019, 12:39:30 AM »
It's all very confusing. Carr implies they mixed up the oscillation with the pressure bump. documents clearly indicate both occurred not far apart. then you have the pilots claim of the jump time being between 5-10 minutes after the last contact at 8:05. that puts the time frame right where the F-106 states. that would be the Orchards area close to Scholl's airport..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2230 on: June 28, 2019, 12:41:24 AM »
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It's all very confusing. Carr implies they mixed up the oscillation with the pressure bump. documents clearly indicate both occurred not far apart. then you have the pilots claim of the jump time being between 5-10 minutes after the last contact at 8:05. that puts the time frame right where the F-106 states. that would be the Orchards area close to Scoll's airport..

I think that was Sluggo's analysis too.

 
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2231 on: June 28, 2019, 12:44:50 AM »
The chase plane would of been somewhere around Battleground if they were 5 miles back. this would also explain the people on the ground complaining of a loud low flying plane.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2232 on: June 28, 2019, 12:46:42 AM »
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It's all very confusing. Carr implies they mixed up the oscillation with the pressure bump. documents clearly indicate both occurred not far apart. then you have the pilots claim of the jump time being between 5-10 minutes after the last contact at 8:05. that puts the time frame right where the F-106 states. that would be the Orchards area close to Scoll's airport..

In your recollection, who else has targeted Scholl's (sp?)  Airport and Orchards?  Colbert?  Any suspect promoters?

I asked JT about it once and he replied "NOH! NOH! It was the Troutdale airport"    :rofl:

Any 302's with 106 pilot testimony is important.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2233 on: June 28, 2019, 12:56:13 AM »
Nobody that I'm aware of. I first looked at Evergreen airport. then when I looked at Scholl's the sectional map was there showing the parachute. I wanted to find the airport the F-106 was referring too. didn't take long. I don't know if anyone followed that lead from the pilot?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2234 on: June 28, 2019, 01:00:16 AM »
It makes sense but then you have to figure out where he landed. Flyjack keeps posting wind data but it's ground winds. those go to 1000 feet if not mistaken. it does put Cooper closer to the Columbia. actually, he does have winds aloft. I have to look for it..

I looked back to the 70's and the area was not entirely woods or vacant. roads and housing were all over the area. spread out but not empty..
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