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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1815 on: April 18, 2019, 01:59:12 PM »
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The FBI Flight Path shows a quite sharp turn at Maylay that ultimately brings the jet over the V23 center line

I read this morning where you claimed you never said this, but it appears you changed the wording..

I go by the 302's. Dawson made statements years later. the 302's mention tailing the plane. intercepting a plane is not following it. what is the stall speed on the F-106, with or without afterburners? it will burn a lot of fuel with them on..

How much of this do you really think they just made up? I tell Blevins all the time that he should get it together and solve all the other myteries. shouldn't take you guys no time at all?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1816 on: April 18, 2019, 02:00:08 PM »
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By the way Georger, the Elvis Flight Path map was drawn by me. That should be clear from the original post I made. R99 had nothing to do with it.

Under what authority do I draw the Elvis Flight Path? Uhhhhh, it's just a map designed to illustrate a theory. Perhaps, just perhaps, it's actually correct.

Cheers!

The FBI fp is based on data. That is its "authority".

Your fp shows a number of turns - why, based on what? You mention the chase planes. What is your data for that?

Maybe by the end of the month we will have 20 new flight path charts based on other people's theories.

Data is the gold standard in these matters - not people's theories.   
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1817 on: April 18, 2019, 02:11:26 PM »
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By the way Georger, the Elvis Flight Path map was drawn by me. That should be clear from the original post I made. R99 had nothing to do with it.

Under what authority do I draw the Elvis Flight Path? Uhhhhh, it's just a map designed to illustrate a theory. Perhaps, just perhaps, it's actually correct.

Cheers!

The FBI fp is based on data. That is its "authority".

Your fp shows a number of turns - why, based on what? You mention the F106's. What is your data for that?

Maybe by the end of the month we will have 20 new flight path charts based on other people's theories.

Data is the gold standard in these matters - not people's theories.

You need to read my original post. It clearly explains my methodology and why there are turns in the Elvis Flight Path.

I do not understand your question about the 106s. My understanding is that the 106s were not able to follow 305.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1818 on: April 18, 2019, 02:18:42 PM »
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The FBI Flight Path shows a quite sharp turn at Maylay that ultimately brings the jet over the V23 center line

I read this morning where you claimed you never said this, but it appears you changed the wording..

I go by the 302's. Dawson made statements years later. the 302's mention tailing the plane. intercepting a plane is not following it. what is the stall speed on the F-106, with or without afterburners? it will burn a lot of fuel with them on..

How much of this do you really think they just made up? I tell Blevins all the time that he should get it together and solve all the other myteries. shouldn't take you guys no time at all?

I do not understand the opening sentence. I didn't claim anything or change any wording. I merely explained what I meant by calling it a sharp turn at Malay.

I personally have not read any 302s regarding F-106s trailing the jet over Washington State. I'm not saying they don't exist. I just haven't seen any. Moreover, my understanding, from somewhere, was that the fighters did not have a visual on 305 or see DBC jump. If someone can direct me to a complete 302--not just a cut out section--I'd like to see it.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1819 on: April 18, 2019, 02:19:11 PM »
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By the way Georger, the Elvis Flight Path map was drawn by me. That should be clear from the original post I made. R99 had nothing to do with it.

Under what authority do I draw the Elvis Flight Path? Uhhhhh, it's just a map designed to illustrate a theory. Perhaps, just perhaps, it's actually correct.

Cheers!

The FBI fp is based on data. That is its "authority".

Your fp shows a number of turns - why, based on what? You mention the F106's. What is your data for that?

Maybe by the end of the month we will have 20 new flight path charts based on other people's theories.

Data is the gold standard in these matters - not people's theories.

You need to read my original post. It clearly explains my methodology and why there are turns in the Elvis Flight Path.

I do not understand your question about the 106s. My understanding is that the 106s were not able to follow 305.

The chase planes. I am late for an appointment. Maybe you will be President of the United States or Bulgaria when I return - who knows!

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1820 on: April 18, 2019, 02:19:19 PM »
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I have heard that they couldn't follow it because it was travelling too slow. Of course, this is ridiculous.

That implies the 106's couldn't follow the jet..that's correct.the planes had to zig zag complaining they couldn't follow due to the low speed. they were 5 miles behind but were linked to the SAGE watching there path. the idea was to get close to possibly see his departure but the plan didn't work. the C130 ended up following the plane. as for visual, don't know...

I just posted a 302 concerning the "chase planes" that would be the 106's...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1821 on: April 18, 2019, 02:21:10 PM »
Also, what small airport are they referring to near where DBC jumped?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1822 on: April 18, 2019, 02:24:27 PM »
Why would the 106s have to zig zag when 305 was travelling at 170kts?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1823 on: April 18, 2019, 02:24:37 PM »
What needs to be done is all the data surrounding the path need to be dated. a pattern shows the changing of area's due to new information coming in.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1824 on: April 18, 2019, 02:31:08 PM »
I'll tell you what we need.

1) All of the data used to create the flight path.

2) The un-redacted radio communications from Seattle.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1825 on: April 18, 2019, 02:34:25 PM »
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I'll tell you what we need.

1) All of the data used to create the flight path.

2) The un-redacted radio communications from Seattle.

according to your statements. you don't need anything? I don't think anything would convince you..
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1826 on: April 18, 2019, 02:39:05 PM »
Reacted typically means covering the data showing something is actually there. this would be removing the dialog. that's a conspiracy..the 302's are redacted..
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1827 on: April 18, 2019, 02:56:45 PM »
Here is a 302 discussing the SAGE...
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1828 on: April 18, 2019, 02:58:01 PM »
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I'll tell you what we need.

1) All of the data used to create the flight path.

2) The un-redacted radio communications from Seattle.

according to your statements. you don't need anything? I don't think anything would convince you..

At this point I need a lot more than some guy's word. The days of "Here's the flight path" are not going to cut it after 47 years of zilch.

That said, let's start with the actual data used to re-create the path.

Regarding the redacted comment: All I know is that something is redacted. Furthermore, that the redacted info could help pinpoint the jet's location according to R99. It doesn't mean that there was a conspiracy. It means what it means--items are redacted so we don't have access to all of the information.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1829 on: April 18, 2019, 02:58:29 PM »
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