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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1650 on: April 04, 2019, 06:03:59 PM »
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here is one...

Man... if we could get that guy's entire analysis of the FDR, we'd probably get an accurate time for the jump... Where is *that* document...
 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1651 on: April 04, 2019, 06:40:06 PM »
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here is one...

Man... if we could get that guy's entire analysis of the FDR, we'd probably get an accurate time for the jump... Where is *that* document...


All the data concerning the flight path is missing....
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1652 on: April 04, 2019, 07:44:41 PM »
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I had some time to kill yesterday as my wife had a appointment in nearby Castle Rock. I took a ride up to the area of the Placard find location. It’s quite a few miles East of I 5. I’m not sure exactly how many miles “ as the crow flies “, but it’s quite a jaunt via wheels. Silver Lake is 7 to 8 miles, Toutle is 10 miles and it’s S E of Toutle. The area has been heavily hunted and logged over the last 47 years so it’s doubtful anything Cooper related is still lying around. I think Carroll Hicks has passed away but I’ve never got the name of his hunting partner. I am friends with several who grew up in Toutle and Longview/Kelso area. I encountered several logging trucks exiting the area stacked high so there’s plenty of logging activity as we speak.

That's my sense, Kermit - that the placard was found a long ways east of I-5. Now the question is, where was 305? How far east of I-5 was the plane?

That issue seems to still be in doubt.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1653 on: April 04, 2019, 07:55:38 PM »
What does I-5 have to do with the flight path?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1654 on: April 04, 2019, 09:26:12 PM »
I have decided to get back into the simulator cockpit again. some interest as come to my attention from others and the work is incomplete and needs to be documented. I will probably need help this time. in order to document any time stamping on a map might require two people. it has to be someone with aviation experience with map reading. I'm not sure the simulator will document the path itself that can be plotted after the flight. it has a blackbox but I don't know much about it....

I think a map showing exactly where the plane was during the flight will be just as valuable as showing a video of the flight itself. the map will show minute by minute plots.

That's where I stand at the moment. it's been bothering me for some time now and I believe the time is right to get it right...

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1655 on: April 04, 2019, 09:42:00 PM »
I have to check and see if the apps I have on the tablet to run the simulator with real time aviation maps still work. lots of cobwebs to get out of the system to fire it up and get into operation and then run some accuracy tests again. I have forgotten a lot but I'm sure it will all come running back.  :chr2:
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1656 on: April 05, 2019, 12:00:24 AM »
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here is one...

I guess this is one of the cluster of 302s dated 12/2 to 12/9. After earlier documents at 11/24, 25, 26 ...

Again I ask: what FDR parameter does the 'little bob' at 8:09 refer to?  Altitude? 

And the assessed position of 305 at 8:09 in these docs is where ..... ?

Recall that at the 1976 Conference the DZ was moved clear down to "12 miles north of Portland" !
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1657 on: April 05, 2019, 12:06:04 AM »
The last paragraph...

I'm not sure how they looked at the data. it's typically on foil. someone familiar with these boxes needs to answer that question. it scratches the data on the foil like a lie detector would.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1658 on: April 05, 2019, 12:08:24 AM »
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The last paragraph...

I'm not sure how they looked at the data. it's typically on foil. someone familiar with these boxes needs to answer that question. it scratches the data on the foil like a lie detector would.

But what parameter does the little bob refer to? Change in what? 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1659 on: April 05, 2019, 12:11:02 AM »
Pitch in the aircraft..nose up/down
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1660 on: April 05, 2019, 12:14:33 AM »
It's hard to say since it would pick up anything that counters the auto-pilot. that would be wind and turbulence that could cause "little Bobs" the auto-pilot is constantly making adjustments to keep it on the course it was given.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1661 on: April 05, 2019, 12:17:51 AM »
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It's hard to say since it would pick up anything that counters the auto-pilot. that would be wind and turbulence that could cause "little Bobs" the auto-pilot is constantly making adjustments to keep it on the course it was given.

Is this during the period and the place where they said they had Turbulence ?

BTW its the pressure bump that is associated with Cooper leaving. FDR's dont measure pressure directly.   
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1662 on: April 05, 2019, 12:22:08 AM »
Turbulence can happen anywhere. bad area's are known and they will try to go around it.
 

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« Reply #1663 on: April 05, 2019, 12:24:03 AM »
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It's hard to say since it would pick up anything that counters the auto-pilot. that would be wind and turbulence that could cause "little Bobs" the auto-pilot is constantly making adjustments to keep it on the course it was given.

Is this during the period and the place where they said they had Turbulence ?

BTW its the pressure bump that is associated with Cooper leaving. FDR's dont measure pressure directly.

correct, but they used a microscope to see the small movements on the data.

It's odd they use the information but expand it further south at the same time?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1664 on: April 05, 2019, 12:25:53 AM »
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It's hard to say since it would pick up anything that counters the auto-pilot. that would be wind and turbulence that could cause "little Bobs" the auto-pilot is constantly making adjustments to keep it on the course it was given.

Is this during the period and the place where they said they had Turbulence ?

BTW its the pressure bump that is associated with Cooper leaving. FDR's dont measure pressure directly.

correct, but they used a microscope to see the small movements on the data.

It's odd they use the information but expand it further south at the same time?

yes we had all of this before ... including the microscope ... I just dont remember what the conclusion was if any ...