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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #855 on: December 17, 2018, 11:38:32 PM »
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #856 on: December 17, 2018, 11:53:38 PM »
Eric,
You need to stop hassling Sheridan.
Really.
Sheridan is not Cooper. You're just hassling a sick old man.
You're pathetic. Really. Go get a life that doesn't involve abuse.

Imagine someone writing to a son and a husband, talking about how "he knows their mother is alive"

It's sick. And then going to podcasts and spewing your same bullshit.

You need to back off, dude.

You need some harrassment charges filed against you.

Really.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #857 on: January 27, 2019, 05:54:04 PM »
Investigating Sheridan Peterson is a legitimate undertaking. After all, he has been investigated twice by the FBI and he appeared on the HC docu where he seemed proud to be a key suspect.

However, doing a thorough investigation properly is a bit tricky, I agree. As far as I can tell, Eric has used discernment, sound judgment and tact in his approach to Sheridan and his family.

Remember, Sheridan went ballistic when I interviewed his brother and then wrote about it.

Also, when I interviewed some of Sheridan's former neighbors in the Windsor senior living community, one woman seemed genuinely afraid of Sheridan. She told me she was convinced that Sheridan killed his wife. So, imo inquiring into Sheridan's life often requires some strong digging.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #858 on: February 01, 2019, 08:41:11 PM »
Sorry I have not reviewed the whole site to determine if this question and topic has been posted so i would like to ask.
reading some of the 302s i recall reading that DB told Tina that he was concerned the pilots radio use would interfere with the bomb etc because it was senstive and might be triggered accidently. some 302s do suggest that some believed the attache contained a radio of some sort maybe to communicate with his accompliace(s) on the ground. anybody know if this is a possibility and maybe he not wanting the pilots to use their radio for some reason would dial in transimission signal that cooper was using with his accompliaces and he didnt want them to hear his convo with accompliaces...also we do know that in 71 the FBI had small transmitters to bug the chutes to help them locate the shutes like they did with Mccoys jump. is it possible Cooper brought his own little transmitters to place in each the money bag, his attace case and on him so when he landed his accompliaces could locate him quickly? thanks for listing and im sure you guys have a an answer already and if not im glad this is something that can be looked into
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #859 on: February 02, 2019, 12:17:54 AM »
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Sorry I have not reviewed the whole site to determine if this question and topic has been posted so i would like to ask.
reading some of the 302s i recall reading that DB told Tina that he was concerned the pilots radio use would interfere with the bomb etc because it was senstive and might be triggered accidently. some 302s do suggest that some believed the attache contained a radio of some sort maybe to communicate with his accompliace(s) on the ground. anybody know if this is a possibility and maybe he not wanting the pilots to use their radio for some reason would dial in transimission signal that cooper was using with his accompliaces and he didnt want them to hear his convo with accompliaces...also we do know that in 71 the FBI had small transmitters to bug the chutes to help them locate the shutes like they did with Mccoys jump. is it possible Cooper brought his own little transmitters to place in each the money bag, his attace case and on him so when he landed his accompliaces could locate him quickly? thanks for listing and im sure you guys have a an answer already and if not im glad this is something that can be looked into

Tina stated, quote:

(1) "the subject stated that the bomb he had was electrically fused and he certainly hoped the crew would not generate any electrical currents which would trigger it."

(2) "He told (me) it was an electronic device and suggested the aircraft radio be used as little as possible. He then said ‘he didn’t think radio transmissions would bother it, but he wanted the crew warned’ . "
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #860 on: February 02, 2019, 12:46:12 AM »
Interesting angle, Jay - putting tracking devices on all of his stuff so they could be found on the ground and secured.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #861 on: February 02, 2019, 02:30:26 PM »
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Sorry I have not reviewed the whole site to determine if this question and topic has been posted so i would like to ask.
reading some of the 302s i recall reading that DB told Tina that he was concerned the pilots radio use would interfere with the bomb etc because it was senstive and might be triggered accidently. some 302s do suggest that some believed the attache contained a radio of some sort maybe to communicate with his accompliace(s) on the ground. anybody know if this is a possibility and maybe he not wanting the pilots to use their radio for some reason would dial in transimission signal that cooper was using with his accompliaces and he didnt want them to hear his convo with accompliaces...also we do know that in 71 the FBI had small transmitters to bug the chutes to help them locate the shutes like they did with Mccoys jump. is it possible Cooper brought his own little transmitters to place in each the money bag, his attace case and on him so when he landed his accompliaces could locate him quickly? thanks for listing and im sure you guys have a an answer already and if not im glad this is something that can be looked into

There is no testimony - from anyone, FBI, Air Force, civilian - that anyone used electronic devices in the hunt for Cooper, his chutes, a radio Cooper was using, etc. Wally was specifically asked about that and he said "no". You do know who Wally was? That blanket statement would seem to indicate that no tracking devices were placed in the chutes or in the money, or anywhere else, and that nobody had any evidence Cooper was using a radio and a few people were scanning the bands trying to test that hypothesis.

Have you any evidence that anything 'electronic' was involved in this hyjacking on Coper's part ?     
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #862 on: February 02, 2019, 03:36:57 PM »
The Electronic-Electrical Angle in the Cooper Case:

Who brought this angle up in the hijacking? Cooper and nobody else vis-a-vis his bomb and an apparent vague attempt on Cooper's part to get 305 to limit it's radio transmissions. Did this ploy work? That is uncertain but apparently not.

Maj Dowson (25th NORAD HQ McChord) says: "Cooper wanted three parachutes so Dawson decided to supply him with Air Force chutes containing chaff." NORAD command vetoed the idea (and another order Dawson recommended)."

Other than radar, there is no evidence the Air Force monitored the plane electronically listening for evidence of Cooper using or communicating with any electronic or electrical devices, including code. That does not mean they weren't listening or exploring the idea. Others including amateur radio operators, private pilots, people flying or stationary at airports in civilian aviation, and others were making attempts to intercept any communications coming from "305". (The Marianne story is one such account, but was debunked?) Was the FAA listening? Anyone at the FBI? According to several Suspect Promoters there were radio communications involved in their versions of the DB Cooper hijacking. Was Harold Anderson 'listening' at his flight engineer's desk on board 305?

Did monitoring of the dropzone area occur after the hijacking? Any reports there?  Was the SR71 'listening' as it flew over photographing the area of the flight path?     
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #863 on: February 02, 2019, 06:11:52 PM »
Jay Stick, there is a much more complete discussion of tracking devices used or not used and by whom in my book, DB Cooper and the FBI, and also at my online news magazine, The Mountain News-WA.net.

Georger has given you a wonderful thumbnail sketch above. But know that I asked Larry Carr specifically about this issue and he hedged his bets. He told me that devices were not placed in the chutes, and explained by saying: "because the technology had not been developed, yet." I knew that to be false and he knew that I knew that he knew, so....

The Major Dawson testimony is intriguing, but we have been unable to follow-up on it.

 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #864 on: February 02, 2019, 10:35:29 PM »
302 from Nov. 29, 1971 states FBI were informed by experienced aviation personell that DB could of used a VOR receiving device possibly composed of transisterized components and small enough to be placed in a pocket and it would allow DB to make contact with the ground even though visual contact was impossible. FBI received list of distributors for VOR components at an aviation company in Vancouver WA and were also told that another company called Hillsboro aviation in Oregon also sold them. FBI requested list of customers who bought these devices.

another 302 from Nov. 29, 1971 stating that if DB got away with then for future possible skyjackings the FBI should use emergency radio equipment which could be placed in parachute and would constanty transmit signal which  would inable the transmitter to be located subsequently by the use of proper equipment. I want to reasonably deduct that this discussion on Nov. 29 was based on invented available tech and therefore it can be safe to conclude it was in existence prior to Nov. 24 just 5 days prior. (but you never know lol)  So these are things that is reseasonable to investigate and if available would DB have access some how and utilized them.  ...Bruce...did Agent Carr make that conclusion prior to reading the complete FBI files on Norjack? We will never have access to the complete file but would its own agents not have access?
im having problems attaching the 302s on this topic. im just going to email either BS or Georger and they can post on this thread. i apologize
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #865 on: February 02, 2019, 10:49:50 PM »
attached are the 302s
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #866 on: February 02, 2019, 11:31:05 PM »
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Jay Stick, there is a much more complete discussion of tracking devices used or not used and by whom in my book, DB Cooper and the FBI, and also at my online news magazine, The Mountain News-WA.net.

Georger has given you a wonderful thumbnail sketch above. But know that I asked Larry Carr specifically about this issue and he hedged his bets. He told me that devices were not placed in the chutes, and explained by saying: "because the technology had not been developed, yet." I knew that to be false and he knew that I knew that he knew, so....

The Major Dawson testimony is intriguing, but we have been unable to follow-up on it.

Conversations with TAG members confirm and expanded everything Dawson said on this subject. Ive never felt compelled to publish those interviews because they were actually done in pursuit of other issues-questions we were after at the time. Ckret may have hedged on this topic because he knew nothing about it and hadn't pursued it with people still living in 08-09. Thats no demerit on Ckret - there is just so much time available in a lifetime! And what documents are available on this may be classified. Yes. Classified. (have fun with that!)  ;)
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #867 on: February 02, 2019, 11:37:10 PM »
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302 from Nov. 29, 1971 states FBI were informed by experienced aviation personell that DB could of used a VOR receiving device possibly composed of transisterized components and small enough to be placed in a pocket and it would allow DB to make contact with the ground even though visual contact was impossible. FBI received list of distributors for VOR components at an aviation company in Vancouver WA and were also told that another company called Hillsboro aviation in Oregon also sold them. FBI requested list of customers who bought these devices.

another 302 from Nov. 29, 1971 stating that if DB got away with then for future possible skyjackings the FBI should use emergency radio equipment which could be placed in parachute and would constanty transmit signal which  would inable the transmitter to be located subsequently by the use of proper equipment. I want to reasonably deduct that this discussion on Nov. 29 was based on invented available tech and therefore it can be safe to conclude it was in existence prior to Nov. 24 just 5 days prior. (but you never know lol)  So these are things that is reseasonable to investigate and if available would DB have access some how and utilized them.  ...Bruce...did Agent Carr make that conclusion prior to reading the complete FBI files on Norjack? We will never have access to the complete file but would its own agents not have access?
im having problems attaching the 302s on this topic. im just going to email either BS or Georger and they can post on this thread. i apologize

Did Ckret even have full access to the socalled 'full' files? I doubt it. He had access to what was in Seattle and God only knows if anyone has ever made their way through that 'tome'!

I usually take a screen shot on a doc and just post that. This site only allows 200k attachments. I wish there was some way around this? Can Shutter still put things in the vault to be downloaded? Shutter? 
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #868 on: February 02, 2019, 11:38:38 PM »
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attached are the 302s

These came through just fine.   :congrats:
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #869 on: February 03, 2019, 02:42:41 AM »
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Jay Stick, there is a much more complete discussion of tracking devices used or not used and by whom in my book, DB Cooper and the FBI, and also at my online news magazine, The Mountain News-WA.net.

Georger has given you a wonderful thumbnail sketch above. But know that I asked Larry Carr specifically about this issue and he hedged his bets. He told me that devices were not placed in the chutes, and explained by saying: "because the technology had not been developed, yet." I knew that to be false and he knew that I knew that he knew, so....

The Major Dawson testimony is intriguing, but we have been unable to follow-up on it.

Since your book is the better most authoritative collection of all true Cooper knowledge - there is still is no e-book version? Correct.

I went to Amazon looking for an e-book version but could find none. I noticed you've sold twenty copies at Amazon?