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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #165 on: July 13, 2018, 01:54:23 PM »
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Robert blevins claims the same thing  with the FBI..he says an agent by the name of Jarvis said Kenny was Cooper and closed the case because he's dead lol

I pulled the video...need to fix an item or two before I re-post.

Regarding Kenny and the FBI claiming he's Cooper: Where's his proof?

On the other hand, Sheridan has mentioned multiple times that the FBI told him they believe he's Cooper...History Channel doc and 2007 Smokejumper article to name two.

Also, I reached out to Fryar and asked her about this claim, specifically, if Sheridan had represented the claim accurately. She did not directly answer the question--because she cannot for privacy reasons--but rather cryptically stated he was a "definite suspect...that is why we were sent to find him."

Moreover, when I spoke with Ayn Dietrich-Williams about Sheridan she also ignored my direct question and stated that they have evidence in the case but not enough to meet the legal standard of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt."

The reason the case was closed in 2016 is because the AUSA determined that there is not enough evidence to convict their suspect and they do not want to expend resources any longer on suspects they know are not Cooper (they're obliged to do this) especially with the 50th anniversary of the hijacking coming up in a few years and the inevitable crush of new tips.

So, Fryar couldn't confirm Sheridan's claim that the FBI think's he's Cooper because of "privacy," but she could say that he was a "definite suspect?"  It seems like those statements would either both be a violation of privacy, or they both wouldn't be.

The FBI cannot confirm their suspicions publicly due to privacy requirements. That said, they can reveal their suspicions directly to the suspect. At that point, if the suspect wants to make this revelation public than that's his choice. Obviously Sheridan is already publicly known as a suspect so she's not breaking any rules here. Taking it to the next level and verifying that Sheridan is "the" suspect is another matter entirely.
 
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #166 on: July 13, 2018, 03:56:26 PM »
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Robert blevins claims the same thing  with the FBI..he says an agent by the name of Jarvis said Kenny was Cooper and closed the case because he's dead lol

I pulled the video...need to fix an item or two before I re-post.

Regarding Kenny and the FBI claiming he's Cooper: Where's his proof?

On the other hand, Sheridan has mentioned multiple times that the FBI told him they believe he's Cooper...History Channel doc and 2007 Smokejumper article to name two.

Also, I reached out to Fryar and asked her about this claim, specifically, if Sheridan had represented the claim accurately. She did not directly answer the question--because she cannot for privacy reasons--but rather cryptically stated he was a "definite suspect...that is why we were sent to find him."

Moreover, when I spoke with Ayn Dietrich-Williams about Sheridan she also ignored my direct question and stated that they have evidence in the case but not enough to meet the legal standard of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt."

The reason the case was closed in 2016 is because the AUSA determined that there is not enough evidence to convict their suspect and they do not want to expend resources any longer on suspects they know are not Cooper (they're obliged to do this) especially with the 50th anniversary of the hijacking coming up in a few years and the inevitable crush of new tips.

I never got the impression the FBI had a "definite" suspect.  The last suspect to investigate was LD Cooper, and they did one final attempt to match his fingerprints before closing the case in 2016.  After that, it seems like they didn't have anything else to pursue with anyone out of the suspect pool.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #167 on: July 13, 2018, 04:37:21 PM »
YouTube clip (7:34) from me regarding my investigation and my report.


 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #168 on: July 13, 2018, 04:40:59 PM »
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Robert blevins claims the same thing  with the FBI..he says an agent by the name of Jarvis said Kenny was Cooper and closed the case because he's dead lol

I pulled the video...need to fix an item or two before I re-post.

Regarding Kenny and the FBI claiming he's Cooper: Where's his proof?

On the other hand, Sheridan has mentioned multiple times that the FBI told him they believe he's Cooper...History Channel doc and 2007 Smokejumper article to name two.

Also, I reached out to Fryar and asked her about this claim, specifically, if Sheridan had represented the claim accurately. She did not directly answer the question--because she cannot for privacy reasons--but rather cryptically stated he was a "definite suspect...that is why we were sent to find him."

Moreover, when I spoke with Ayn Dietrich-Williams about Sheridan she also ignored my direct question and stated that they have evidence in the case but not enough to meet the legal standard of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt."

The reason the case was closed in 2016 is because the AUSA determined that there is not enough evidence to convict their suspect and they do not want to expend resources any longer on suspects they know are not Cooper (they're obliged to do this) especially with the 50th anniversary of the hijacking coming up in a few years and the inevitable crush of new tips.

I never got the impression the FBI had a "definite" suspect.  The last suspect to investigate was LD Cooper, and they did one final attempt to match his fingerprints before closing the case in 2016.  After that, it seems like they didn't have anything else to pursue with anyone out of the suspect pool.

EU is CIA and has taken over this page and the FBI invrestigation of DB Cooper. You can believe EU!    :rofl:
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #169 on: July 14, 2018, 04:31:16 AM »
Cooperland is full of people claiming all kinds of things - its comparable to a cult. If a person comes out of nowhere claiming to have communed with Jehova ... please show a good photo of the toast and name the toaster. It's a small request and benign, in service of legitimacy. Some people have a lot of gall. Gall does not suffice for simple credibility.

We have had a lot of people claim to have talked to agents, offices, spokes-persons, .... its unending. Some of the reports are credible, some are fantastical. There are countless examples one can site.

Just sayin . . .  :) 
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #170 on: July 14, 2018, 09:48:57 AM »
I've noticed that there are three types of people who come to this site.

1) There are those who simply read, observe and say little. They just want to learn about the case and the theories surrounding the case.

2) There are those that actively and civilly contribute to the site by way of investigation and discussion. I believe I fit into this category.

3) There are those that criticize, complain, condescend and impugn the work of others. It's both pathetic and embarrassing at the same time.

A quick review of previous posts in any of the threads on this site reveal who is who and ultimately say a lot about the person behind the post.

Be kind. It's really very easy.
 
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #171 on: July 14, 2018, 02:22:38 PM »
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How can you be so certain that the FBI didn't eliminate Sheridan Peterson as a viable suspect based on DNA tests? Silence doesn't necessarily mean it was a possible match. They did announce results on Duane Weber and LD Cooper DNA tests, but those were high publicity cases. When Sheridan was tested there was little or no press interest in him.

Your position that the FBI never cleared Sheridan on DNA is in dispute. Sheridan says in his July 2007 Smoke Jumper magazine article: "Several days later, one of the agents paid me a second visit. She assured me that there were no matches for my DNA."

I know Sheridan Peterson. He told me some wild tales about sport jumping in Vietnam during the war, something that I initially suspected was exaggerated or even made up. A friend who served in the RVN Army as a paratrooper and also made skydives with the Saigon Sport Parachute Club verified every last detail of Sheridan's account including DZ location, aircraft used and anecdotes about the clubs tyrannical leader Duffy. His stories about being in Beijing and witnessing the Tiananmen Square massacre were also met by some skepticism on my part but it later checked out through independent sources. In short, I have found him to be truthful. How can you be so sure he is not truthful about the FBI clearing him on DNA?

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I spoke multiple times with Mary Jean Fryar about Sheridan’s claims, and Bruce Smith’s claims, of negative DNA results. She verified that she DID NOT say that the FBI’s DNA analysis cleared Sheridan. She stated that once the DNA was taken it was sent in to be processed. At that point it is “RUC”—returned up on completion—thereby closing the task on her end. This means her job is done and that she is unlikely to receive any information about the results—by the way, which often take weeks or months to process. Therefore, she can’t even verify that his DNA was tested. I believe there simply was some miscommunication that led to Sheridan’s and Bruce’s claims.

That said, I investigated and determined that the FBI had in fact NOT publicly cleared Sheridan by virtue of his DNA test as they had done with both Weber and LD Cooper. So, I gave them a chance by reaching out to Ayn Dietrich-Williams and specifically asking about clearing him as had been done previously, therefore establishing a precedent. Dietrich-Williams responded by stating “out of respect for the privacy of individuals, the FBI does not typically comment on subjects in the NORJACK investigation.” It stands to reason, if the FBI had previously cleared Sheridan they would have reiterated that fact. Furthermore, it stands to reason if the DNA did clear Sheridan that they would have taken the opportunity to do that as well.

Not to put too fine a point on it but consider this: Sheridan’s DNA was submitted in 2003, Larry Carr, the former point agent on the NORJACK case, as you well know, actually struck up a brief correspondence with Sheridan and purchased his book several years later—approximately 2010. Why would Carr do this if the DNA had cleared Sheridan years earlier? The implication is that at a minimum the test wasn’t processed. However, this seems highly unlikely especially when you consider that the FBI actually investigated Sheridan’s time in Deer Park, Washington and Nepal—no easy task.

None of this is proof that the DNA was processed or that it came back as a hit. However, in totality, the implication is suspect and I have proven that the FBI hasn’t cleared Sheridan publicly and that the FBI has remained remarkably silent regarding Sheridan for some reason.

Dietrich-Williams responded by stating “out of respect for the privacy of individuals, the FBI does not typically comment on subjects in the NORJACK investigation.” It stands to reason, if the FBI had previously cleared Sheridan they would have reiterated that fact.

No. It does not stand to reason. (That's your conclusion) Dietrich-Williams responded by stating  “out of respect for the privacy of individuals, the FBI does not typically comment on subjects in the NORJACK investigation.”

The FBI might have found a dollar. The FBI wont comment whether they found a dollar. Since finding a dollar is important (to you) they must have found a dollar!

Wilkes-Booth jumped from a balcony after shooting Pres. Lincoln. (He broke his leg.) Was balcony jumping (skydiving from balconies) a vital part of the Lincoln assassination? Balcony jumpers say it is. They point to another famous balcony jumper, Martin Maris, who lived in Paris. Was Martin Maris John Wilkes-Booth?   

A cult has developed around Sheridan Peterson in this DB Cooper forum, promoted primarily by 377 and Sailshaw and now you and a few others. Peterson himself has gone some distance in helping develop that cult uncertainty. He likes all the attention! Beware of skydivers and their like-minded invested friends, offering free rides and a whole way of life! Some even claim skydivers have a special gene. Did Cooper have that? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login 
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #172 on: July 14, 2018, 03:16:51 PM »
Whoa, Georger - dissing 377? NO!
 

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« Reply #173 on: July 14, 2018, 05:34:36 PM »
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Whoa, Georger - dissing 377? NO!

Lots of people are "devoted" to Sheridan Peterson. Was he DB Cooper? Probably not. So what is interesting about parachutes in the Cooper case - number of things.

1, his chute selection process, picking of a viable common chute.
2. ease with which he cut up a front pack to try and fabricate a money bag hanging with waste chord because he said the backpack had not been delivered - known technique from WWII paratroopers.
3. started chute preparation early, as soon as possible - readiness for a quick exit somewhere in WA or OR.
4. worked with the pilots to trim plane to maximise drop success.

Technique commensurate with WWII or Korean War training - in his age category given the stews judgement about his age.

World class SKYDIVER with innovative history? Based on what from the above observed evidence?

Unique personality traits Sheridan has? Based on what personality traits observed by the stews?

But, SP has become a cult and will continue to be the focus of a cult (in Cooperland) no matter what anyone like me says! So, let me return you to regularly scheduled Sheridan cult discussion. That is going to happen no matter what anyone says. That is being controlled by Odin in the stars of Valhalla! Its that obsessive skydiver gene thing!  8)   

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #174 on: July 14, 2018, 06:03:35 PM »
Petey has a cult following? Hmm.

I can see how you'd put Sail into the "cult" category, and probably EU. But that's only two guys. For me, a cult needs a lot of people - at least the kind of crowd that when they go to a diner they need to push a couple of tables together to fit everyone.

So far, the Petey cult can fit in a booth...

We've got more than that scheduled for pastrami sandwiches at Ben's Deli in Carle Place, NY next time I go missing....

Just sayin'.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #175 on: July 14, 2018, 06:40:54 PM »
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Whoa, Georger - dissing 377? NO!

Lots of people are "devoted" to Sheridan Peterson. Was he DB Cooper? Probably not. So what is interesting about parachutes in the Cooper case - number of things.

1, his chute selection process, picking of a viable common chute.
2. ease with which he cut up a front pack to try and fabricate a money bag hanging with waste chord because he said the backpack had not been delivered - known technique from WWII paratroopers.
3. started chute preparation early, as soon as possible - readiness for a quick exit somewhere in WA or OR.
4. worked with the pilots to trim plane to maximise drop success.

Technique commensurate with WWII or Korean War training - in his age category given the stews judgement about his age.

World class SKYDIVER with innovative history? Based on what from the above observed evidence?

Unique personality traits Sheridan has? Based on what personality traits observed by the stews?

But, SP has become a cult and will continue to be the focus of a cult (in Cooperland) no matter what anyone like me says! So, let me return you to regularly scheduled Sheridan cult discussion. That is going to happen no matter what anyone says. That is being controlled by Odin in the stars of Valhalla! Its that obsessive skydiver gene thing!  8)   

The back pack parachutes and the chest pack parachutes were delivered to Cooper at the same time and immediately after the money bag, which was not in the "knapsack" that he had requested.  All of this equipment, plus the maps and crew meals, was in the car that was driven by a plain clothes Seattle detective and had Al Lee, NWA Chief Pilot at SEATAC, as a passenger.  Lee unloaded everything and gave it to Tina who had to make several trips to get it all on the airliner.

I doubt if a chest pack parachute had sufficient volume to pack the entire ransom money.

 
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #176 on: July 14, 2018, 06:41:38 PM »
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Petey has a cult following? Hmm.

I can see how you'd put Sail into the "cult" category, and probably EU. But that's only two guys. For me, a cult needs a lot of people - at least the kind of crowd that when they go to a diner they need to push a couple of tables together to fit everyone.

So far, the Petey cult can fit in a booth...

We've got more than that scheduled for pastrami sandwiches at Ben's Deli in Carle Place, NY next time I go missing....

Just sayin'.

I agree. To the best of my knowledge there are only two people alive who firmly believe Sheridan was DB Cooper--me and Sheridan.

Also, Bruce, count me in the next time you grab a pastrami sandwich at Ben's Deli.
 

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« Reply #177 on: July 14, 2018, 08:08:32 PM »
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Petey has a cult following? Hmm.

I can see how you'd put Sail into the "cult" category, and probably EU. But that's only two guys. For me, a cult needs a lot of people - at least the kind of crowd that when they go to a diner they need to push a couple of tables together to fit everyone.

So far, the Petey cult can fit in a booth...

We've got more than that scheduled for pastrami sandwiches at Ben's Deli in Carle Place, NY next time I go missing....

Just sayin'.

Let me critique my own analysis! I think 77 and EU and others, know Pete's lifetime personality a lot better than I do which is to say my judgement about his personality is marginal at best. I think 77 as much as said at one time that he 'could not see Petey building a bomb, taking people hostage, and hijacking a plan' ? Did 377 say that? That is sort of how I see Peterson based on everything Ive absorbed in these forums over the years. In addition I thought I learned that 'money' was not that important to Peterson vs other social values and concerns. Peterson had strong social values and went to Tibet to get away from the 'military industrial complex' world. I dont see that slate of values in DB Cooper.

Remember, I sent my friend Lt Col C.A. to check at the hospital where Petey apparently worked and had his wife for child birth in Tibet. CA and his wife were doing relief work in Tibet after an earthquake. Nobody in that area could quite remember Petey. I reported that result at DZ years ago.  [BTW C.A. died near Annapolis MD last Sunday. Lifelong friend of mine since birth. He will be sorely missed. It was C.A. who had met and talked to the SR71 pilot also - pure coincidence in his life.]

Maybe my assessment of SP's life trajectory/personality doesn't hold up to scrutiny?   
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #178 on: July 14, 2018, 09:11:23 PM »
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Petey has a cult following? Hmm.

I can see how you'd put Sail into the "cult" category, and probably EU. But that's only two guys. For me, a cult needs a lot of people - at least the kind of crowd that when they go to a diner they need to push a couple of tables together to fit everyone.

So far, the Petey cult can fit in a booth...

We've got more than that scheduled for pastrami sandwiches at Ben's Deli in Carle Place, NY next time I go missing....

Just sayin'.

Let me critique my own analysis! I think 77 and EU and others, know Pete's lifetime personality a lot better than I do which is to say my judgement about his personality is marginal at best. I think 77 as much as said at one time that he 'could not see Petey building a bomb, taking people hostage, and hijacking a plan' ? Did 377 say that? That is sort of how I see Peterson based on everything Ive absorbed in these forums over the years. In addition I thought I learned that 'money' was not that important to Peterson vs other social values and concerns. Peterson had strong social values and went to Tibet to get away from the 'military industrial complex' world. I dont see that slate of values in DB Cooper.

Remember, I sent my friend Lt Col C.A. to check at the hospital where Petey apparently worked and had his wife for child birth in Tibet. CA and his wife were doing relief work in Tibet after an earthquake. Nobody in that area could quite remember Petey. I reported that result at DZ years ago.  [BTW C.A. died near Annapolis MD last Sunday. Lifelong friend of mine since birth. He will be sorely missed. It was C.A. who had met and talked to the SR71 pilot also - pure coincidence in his life.]

Maybe my assessment of SP's life trajectory/personality doesn't hold up to scrutiny?

I'll give you my honest assessment of Sheridan, with whom I've talked, texted, and emailed many times.

First, I arrived at Sheridan as DB Cooper after nailing down the facts in the case, creating a profile of Cooper, then reviewing FBI suspects because I thought it was likely that the FBI had already come across the "Real DB Cooper" during their investigation but couldn't nail him with the evidence. I did not have a horse in this race until the end.

Second, Sheridan is accurately described as an angry man who feels he has been underappreciated through out his life. That said, he has always had a personality problem. Case in point: It was the well-liked and respected Linn Emrich who brought Sheridan to the FBI's attention within a week of the skyjacking. Remarkably, this was six years after the last time Linn had seen Sheridan in 1965. In fact, in a The Issaquah Press article on December 1, 1971, Linn stated that he and his wife think they know who Cooper is and that "if he is the fellow I think he is, I hope he gets caught."

My point is, it seems that a lot of the people Sheridan has met in life end up having a problem with the man (brother, wives, children, landlords, neighbors, acquaintances, guy at the store, etc.) He has also been very rude to me many times.

I told a friend of Sheridan's recently that Sheridan can go around and profess to care about people and portray himself as a peacenik all he wants, but it doesn't resonate when he treats everyone like shit. Actions really do speak louder than words.

Sheridan is a well-read, well-traveled and smart person, but he seems to be missing something very basic, and that is personal accountability. It is always someone else's fault in his eyes.

Sheridan not only had the know-how and opportunity to skyjack 305, he also had the mindset and personality.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #179 on: July 14, 2018, 10:17:43 PM »
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Petey has a cult following? Hmm.

I can see how you'd put Sail into the "cult" category, and probably EU. But that's only two guys. For me, a cult needs a lot of people - at least the kind of crowd that when they go to a diner they need to push a couple of tables together to fit everyone.

So far, the Petey cult can fit in a booth...

We've got more than that scheduled for pastrami sandwiches at Ben's Deli in Carle Place, NY next time I go missing....

Just sayin'.

I agree. To the best of my knowledge there are only two people alive who firmly believe Sheridan was DB Cooper--me and Sheridan.

Also, Bruce, count me in the next time you grab a pastrami sandwich at Ben's Deli.

Are you serious?  You didn't know of Bob Sailshaw ?   Sailshaw, may he rest in peace, went to his grave insisting that Sheridan was Cooper.... he posted here for a long time.  And I will tell you the same things I said to him....

Peterson may have had the skills and attributes of someone who could pull off the heist... but there are hundreds more just like him....   but there are several things that void him as Cooper... read all of the 302s, all the eyewitness descriptions that tended to slant to latin, Mexican-American, jet black hair, marcelled, olive skin..etc…. Peterson is no black-Irishman from Mahon ...there is NO mistaking Peterson for any southern European....he is as white as it gets, eyes and all.  If you are gonna say "well, makeup putty!  brown lenses ! etc"  there is no way say Tina would not have picked up on that after five hours.. None....    then you have her not identifying him in the zillion photos shown to her after the caper... same with Mitchell.
And I think his personality might be on the wrong side of the fence. .I'd expect Cooper to be unassuming, not a loud hotshot skydiver, which most of them tend to be.  Nonetheless, I hope you are right here.  I want this darn thing solved.

And btw, its me who goes to Bens Deli and got Bruce to go.  Consider yourself invited. Then we can have a dual monologue !!!!!!   hahahaha
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