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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #900 on: May 22, 2019, 06:39:29 PM »
I too ordered a copy.

Gotta love Snow. I am sure he persisted and got Sheridan past his issues regarding publication.

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #901 on: May 22, 2019, 07:15:12 PM »
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"One day the FBI paid Olson a visit. They wanted to know about his old pal, Vince Grecco. A Vietnamese pilot told them about the American whoʹd parachuted from his chopper into Viet Cong territory. Months later an Arvin patrol found Vinceʹs skydiving rig hidden in some brush. His rigger’s log was tucked inside the reserveʹs container. That was the last Grant ever heard of Vince. He thought of him often. He imagined him hiding out in some Montagnard village. What a life that must be? In a way, Grant envied him."



Strikingly similar to my theory that DBC landed in the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge, used the dummy reserve to secure some of the packets of twenties and stashed the parachutes under some brush.

I'll be testing this theory out very soon indeed.
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #902 on: May 24, 2019, 02:20:15 PM »
Just ordered a copy of the book as well!
The Cooper Vortex - A Podcast about DB Cooper - Available on most podcast apps
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #903 on: May 28, 2019, 02:05:41 PM »
Sheridan's book is a very good read. With some expert assistance, it could be morphed into a decent screenplay. Snow's editing helps a lot without muting any of the raw Sheridan that gives the book its underlying tone of simmering barely controlled rage.

Vietnam during the war was a literal cesspool of corruption, as bad as it gets anywhere. Sheridan shines a flashlight into some dark ugly places. Money mattered more than anything else in the Vietnam Sheridan lived and worked in. It led to callous decisions and uncaring execution of ill-conceived war strategies.  His Vietnamese friend was incinerated in a white phosphorous attack leaving only a smoking belt buckle behind. Sheridan, as Grecco, vowed to avenge this war crime atrocity. Any link to the  NORJACK "grudge"? It would be pure speculation. Was the money intended to fund some revolutionary activity? Or was it just a broke angry guy looking for a big payday?

Sheridan is literally a perfect candidate as far as skills go. So were Braden and Rackstraw for that matter. Recca also had the necessary skills.

But who among these candidates KNEW that an unmodified civil 727 could be jumped? We really don't know. Sheridan likely had access to relevant Boeing 727 info but that's not proof of knowledge. Rackstraw and Braden could have interacted with SAT 727 aircrew in Vietnam who had knowledge of the 727 jumps over Korat. Recca's connection is more tenuous, but he was a USAF/ANG PJ. PJs are part of an elite military group that communicates with other special ops airmen. My friend who was a PJ knew a lot about other specialized parachute ops that were being done in various military branches.

So many Coopers to choose from.

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #904 on: May 28, 2019, 02:16:40 PM »
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So many Coopers to choose from.

They were all Cooper. It's a new case now. all the evidence is gone. latin/American Indian are myths. olive skin, just a suntan. I don't think it was Northwest either.

I'm just here for crowd control...
 
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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #905 on: May 28, 2019, 04:22:42 PM »
Good summary Shutter. Every viable suspect was Cooper. This presumption of innocence nonsense is getting in the way of effective investigation. Arrest all the living suspects and make them prove their innocence. Hey, send em to Gitmo for some waterboarding if gentle persuasion doesn't work.  ;)

Crowd control in the Vortex? Good luck.

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #906 on: May 29, 2019, 11:52:35 PM »
I just heard on the radio that "Burnout" is now considered an actual medical condition.

Shut, consider yourself now authorized to take all necessary medications and treatments!
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #907 on: June 30, 2019, 08:38:38 PM »
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Petey has a cult following? Hmm.

I can see how you'd put Sail into the "cult" category, and probably EU. But that's only two guys. For me, a cult needs a lot of people - at least the kind of crowd that when they go to a diner they need to push a couple of tables together to fit everyone.

So far, the Petey cult can fit in a booth...

We've got more than that scheduled for pastrami sandwiches at Ben's Deli in Carle Place, NY next time I go missing....

Just sayin'.

I agree. To the best of my knowledge there are only two people alive who firmly believe Sheridan was DB Cooper--me and Sheridan.

Also, Bruce, count me in the next time you grab a pastrami sandwich at Ben's Deli.
Add me to that list. I don't even really have a second favourite suspect, though there are a few interesting characters in their own right, and I can see why some may think they're Cooper. I just feel pretty sure about Sheridan. Simple as. I've felt fairly sure for about 2 years, but EU's fuller investigation leaves little doubt in my mind. The tie clip set, the numbered Singaporean account, the hard to prove or disprove alibi; he just fits.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #908 on: June 30, 2019, 08:55:57 PM »
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EU/Lynn are with Sailshaw in choosing Peterson.  Here is a quote from back in 2014 from Sailshaw.  The piercing brown eyes made it to Wiki somehow too.  How hard was it to get brown contacts in 1971?  At some point Sailshaw thought Peterson was wearing contacts.  Below is his quote from Re: The DNA/The FBI/DB Cooper…Whats The deal? on October 11, 2014 at 11:54:06 AM.

Another aspect of DB is the disguise he use was so simple. He wore sunglasses to cover his eye color (what the FBI looks at to identify the suspect). The only time he took off the sunglasses was to show the Flight Attendants his eye color. They said he had "piercing brown eyes" which covered up hi actual blue eyes. No other disguise was necessary and it did the trick with the investigators.

Bob Sailshaw

Sailshaw had the right guy, Sheridan, but he tried too hard to prove it and took a few wrong turns.
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Remember, Sailshaw insisted that Sheridan had quizzed him about the 727 aft stairs, but upon learning that he (Sailshaw) was only working on 737 air stairs quickly lost interest in Sailshaw. As noted in an earlier post I proved this was incorrect because neither the 727 nor 737 had flown yet.

Sailshaw also believed that Sheridan sent some of the news media letters claiming responsibility and taunting authorities. I do not believe this to be true. It doesn’t sound like the Sheridan I know. It doesn’t sound like the DB Cooper I know. There was nothing to gain and everything to lose if the real Cooper sent them.

Finally, the story about revealing his eyes to mislead witnesses because he was wearing brown contacts also doesn’t add up given the FBI files that pertain to the brief period of time when he wasn’t wearing sunglasses.

There is plenty of factual evidence pointing to Sheridan. Fantastic stories and explanations aren’t necessary.

I was just reviewing some of the thoughts that Sailshaw believed and I find some of his thoughts very doubtful! He actually said that he thought Cossey could have been involved in heist and that He might have been Cooper’s ground connection ! Really ? I find that to be quite far out there ! To each his own !
I think Sail had the right guy, but I didn't agree with everything he said. I doubt Cooper sent those letters, and I don't think Sheridan's DNA would have been found on the backs of the stamps. Sail just desperately wanted to find some physical evidence knocking out SP's alibi. Sail and SP did not like each other, and I think Sail wanted to see SP convicted for the crime. Most of us just want to know who Cooper was beyond a reasonable doubt and could live with him never being prosecuted.

The letters are fascinating unto themselves,  and do seem connected to each other, but there's nothing that particularly convinces me Cooper wrote them. Sheridan certainly didn't; he publicly opines Cooper is dead. If he were Cooper, he wanted the FBI to believe Cooper died. The letters work against that and make no sense - for ANY Cooper suspect wanting it believed Cooper died. If SP is not Cooper, he would have no reason whatsoever to write the letters. So either way, I can't see SP writing them. Who DID write them is a mystery almost as interesting as the Cooper case itself, but let's face it, they were probably written by someone very clever but also mentally ill. And not Cooper.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #909 on: June 30, 2019, 09:05:52 PM »
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So many Coopers to choose from.

They were all Cooper. It's a new case now. all the evidence is gone. latin/American Indian are myths. olive skin, just a suntan. I don't think it was Northwest either.

I'm just here for crowd control...
Must point out - "Latin" is not a race. The impression that the person may have been Latin, in the repeatedly witnessed absence of accent, is entirely conjecture on any given witness' part. And "possibly brown" eyes described by one shaken witness is something I'm pretty comfortable dismissing altogether in a dim plane cabin.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #910 on: June 30, 2019, 09:08:59 PM »
Never said anything about race. I don't believe a suntan can over rule multiple accounts of latin or American indian. no accent required.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #911 on: June 30, 2019, 09:13:37 PM »
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Never said anything about race. I don't believe a suntan can over rule multiple accounts of latin or American indian. no accent required.
What are they basing "Latin" or "American Indian" on? The stereotypes of either are quite different looks, linked only by dark eyes (dubiously verified by only Flo), dark skin (that if Latin, could still be Caucasian, but if Caucasian isn't necessarily Latin) and dark hair. He had no foreign accent. He wasn't reading Gabriel Garcia Marquez. There's nothing to prove he was Latin or American Indian but witness impression, and having taught thousands of people from many countries, I fully believe there is NOTHING that can conclusively prove a person is of Latin descent but a passport or a DNA test. 
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #912 on: June 30, 2019, 09:28:36 PM »
who is bashing. I don't follow?
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #913 on: June 30, 2019, 09:30:14 PM »
we don't really know what Cooper looked like. we can only speculate. they are the one's who seen him. some can be dismissed since they had to recall.
 

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Re: DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation
« Reply #914 on: July 01, 2019, 12:05:37 AM »
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So many Coopers to choose from.

They were all Cooper. It's a new case now. all the evidence is gone. latin/American Indian are myths. olive skin, just a suntan. I don't think it was Northwest either.

I'm just here for crowd control...
Must point out - "Latin" is not a race. The impression that the person may have been Latin, in the repeatedly witnessed absence of accent, is entirely conjecture on any given witness' part. And "possibly brown" eyes described by one shaken witness is something I'm pretty comfortable dismissing altogether in a dim plane cabin.

The United States Census uses the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race".

The Revisions to OMB Directive 15 defines each racial and ethnic category as follows: American Indian or Alaska Native. Asian. Black or African American. Hispanic or Latino. Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. White.

Racial group: A distinct population that is isolated in a particular area from other populations of a species, and consistently distinguishable from the others, e.g. morphology (or even only genetically). Geographic races are allopatric. Physiological race.

In physical anthropology: the term is one of the three general racial classifications of humans — Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. Under this classification scheme, humans are divisible into broad sub-groups based on phenotypic characteristics such as cranial and skeletal morphology.

Because all populations are genetically diverse, and because there is a complex relation between ancestry, genetic makeup and phenotype, and because racial categories are based on subjective evaluations of the traits, there is no specific gene that can be used to determine a person's race.

Haplogroup vs Haplotype? ... A haplotype is a group of genes in an organism that are inherited together from a single parent,[1][2] and a haplogroup, is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor with a single-nucleotide polymorphism mutation.[3][4].

Haplotype: Genetic variants are often inherited together in segments of DNA called haplotypes. ... The Haplotypes often are found occupying common geographical territories. Y-DNA Haplotypes - see attached.
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